10:19 The Werther Project
It's SPN Season 10, Episode 19, "The Werther Project," and it's dark, y'all, but slam some vamp juice and dive in. Embrace the darkness with us. We'll also continue Rosaleen Norton's journey through Australia's court and discuss the obscenity trial for her 1952 book The Art of Rosaleen Norton with Poems by Gavin Greenlees. There are even bongos!
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Speaker A:Plus, bonus track, It's a bot.
Speaker A:Let's do this.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:I'm Liz.
Speaker A:And we're going to Talk Season 10, Episode 19, the Werther Project.
Speaker B:Werther.
Speaker A:Werther.
Speaker A:Not the candy.
Speaker B:No, unfortunately, very opposite.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like the most opposite of, like, that.
Speaker B:That it could possibly be.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, agreed.
Speaker A:So before we get to that fun stuff, what have you been up to?
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:You don't really have any.
Speaker B:Any fun updates.
Speaker B:I mean, I've been to the dentist, I went to the chiropractor.
Speaker B:You know, I did pilates.
Speaker B:All very exciting things.
Speaker A:Get your hair did.
Speaker B:I got my hair did, like, you know, so it's just.
Speaker B:But there's a lot of check things.
Speaker B:I need to get to my mom's house and I'm just like, oh, just, you know, like, there's just so many.
Speaker B:Like, there's a lot of appointments this.
Speaker A:Week, but sound like a lot of appointments.
Speaker A:I think you're.
Speaker A:You're telling me the other day and you're like, I've got this at this time.
Speaker A:This at this time.
Speaker A:Just a stupid amount of time in between and just.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, that was like, today, like, I think, you know, I.
Speaker B:Like, I had an appointment that I had, like, two hours.
Speaker B:So when you live, like, out of town, like, those things matter.
Speaker B:Like, you've got to kind of time things.
Speaker B:So it's either like, are you getting food in town?
Speaker B:Are you coming back?
Speaker B:Like, you don't want to, like, go in and then drive, you know, it's.
Speaker A:Drive back and forth.
Speaker A:Sounds so country.
Speaker A:Like, I gotta go in.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:It is very.
Speaker B:It is very country.
Speaker B:I have to go to town and there.
Speaker B:But I can also mean two different towns.
Speaker B:I could mean the smaller town or I could mean the city.
Speaker B:Both of them are equal.
Speaker B:Equal.
Speaker B:Equal time to get to either one.
Speaker B:But you got to prepare yourself to get to town.
Speaker A:You do.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I know.
Speaker B:And it's because I was bored, but so I watched the new.
Speaker B:I didn't watch this because I was bored, but I did something else because it was so the new Tina Fey show on Netflix, Four Seasons, which is based off of Alan Alda's Four Seasons, which is really, really good.
Speaker B:But there's A really.
Speaker B:There's a line in there about human beings just being animals and wanting to rub their crotches on things.
Speaker B:And so I re.
Speaker B:I put, like, a dating app back on my phone, but.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know.
Speaker B:And I, like, made it, like, a kind of, like, a match with somebody.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:While I was getting my hair done, I was just kind of like, okay, what's going on on this.
Speaker B:This dating app thing?
Speaker B:And, like, there was a match, and he asked me something, and I responded, and the questions just seemed really formulaic, and I was like, are you a bottle?
Speaker B:And then I was unmatched.
Speaker B:But I really, like.
Speaker B:I'm not sure if it was a man who I offended, because he was really boring.
Speaker B:And I asked if he was a bot, but I think it was.
Speaker B:I think it was a bot.
Speaker B:And that's just really annoying that.
Speaker B:That's, like, the world that I.
Speaker B:We live in now, that I have to try and be like, are you, like, beyond the normal things that you have to ask, are you a felon?
Speaker B:You know, like, are you underwater?
Speaker B:How much of a prepper are you?
Speaker B:You know, like, now?
Speaker B:Like, it's.
Speaker A:Are you tiers of that that are acceptable?
Speaker A:There's levels there.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, but those are things.
Speaker B:Those aren't preferences you can check on tv.
Speaker B:Those are questions you need to ask for yourselves.
Speaker A:That's wild.
Speaker A:Bots, like, bots on apps, the boys get actually interacting with people.
Speaker A:Oh, I get the.
Speaker A:I bet the men get, like, caught.
Speaker A:Crazy ones, right?
Speaker B:And that's been going on for quite a while, and I think it's just finally, like, becoming profitable to start targeting both, you know, the ladies as well.
Speaker B:But just because people.
Speaker A:They talk to people into sending money.
Speaker A:Is that what it is?
Speaker B:Sending in money?
Speaker B:Catfishing?
Speaker B:Just like buying a penis pill, you know, probably gambling somewhere, Sending dick pics, extortion.
Speaker B:Like, there's a.
Speaker B:There's a whole bunch of reasons those bots want to catch you.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Catch a bot.
Speaker A:Catch a bot.
Speaker B:That's terrible.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, there's a reason that I don't.
Speaker B:I don't date at all.
Speaker B:Like, it's just.
Speaker B:This is what happens.
Speaker B:You dip your toe back in, and then you're like, oh, so this is the new.
Speaker B:Like, are you human being?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I should be shocked with all my catfish watching, because I watch the show.
Speaker B:A lot, but can you please do a puzzle for me?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:Like, the captcha puzzle.
Speaker B:Like, I shouldn't.
Speaker B:Like, you know, like, if you're gonna.
Speaker A:It's weird that you'd have to ask.
Speaker B:Somebody, like send somebody a capture puzzle.
Speaker A:Like to be able to chat with you.
Speaker A:They have to do the are you a human like captcha test.
Speaker A:Rotate this design until it matches up.
Speaker B:Yeah, I will tell you, sometimes I have a hard time with those.
Speaker A:I get stressed about, like the ones that are like, click all the motorcycles.
Speaker A:Well, a tiny sliver of the motorcycle tire is in the.
Speaker B:Is the picture on the motorcycle?
Speaker B:Is that part of the motorcycle?
Speaker B:Like, I don't know, is the mirror part of the motorcycle?
Speaker B:That's an accessory.
Speaker B:Is the motorcycle helmet.
Speaker B:What about this crosswalk?
Speaker B:Is this cross.
Speaker B:Like the crosswalk ended?
Speaker B:Is there something else?
Speaker B:And then like another one will pop up right when you hit verify and you're like, but I knew I didn't mean I was.
Speaker B:I saw that bicycle.
Speaker A:Something wasn't loading right on my phone the other day and I was trying to get this link and couldn't get it to go through.
Speaker A:And then it popped up and said that you're bot.
Speaker A:They called me a bot.
Speaker A:Not told me I wasn't human.
Speaker B:Oh no, I get that with my, with my browsers and my VPNs.
Speaker B:Like, no, I get.
Speaker B:They think I'm a bot all the time.
Speaker B:Or like, really what it is is because I go through maybe some of the addresses that I come through other bad people, not other maybe bad.
Speaker B:You know, I mean, so things may go through those addresses that do not have, you know, you know, good, good intentions.
Speaker B:And so like lazy security people just like block that IP address and then I can't code there anymore.
Speaker B:That's not how you do security.
Speaker B:But yeah, they.
Speaker B:I get told I'm a.
Speaker B:I, I have to.
Speaker B:And then I had to figure out what I had to turn off.
Speaker B:I had what I had to turn off to get like, in order to like buy a pair of shoes.
Speaker A:I was sad.
Speaker A:It was my first time to be called and not here.
Speaker B:Oh, your first time.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:I've been like, this is like millions.
Speaker B:You need to spend more time online.
Speaker A:Do I do.
Speaker B:I'm just saying if this is the first time, like you've been called a bot, you're clearly not spending enough time on the Internet or you're spending it in the wrong places.
Speaker B:Probably that you're not spending it anywhere fun.
Speaker A:No, I'm scrolling social media, but yeah.
Speaker A:So I don't know.
Speaker A:Or going to, going to concerts.
Speaker A:That's actually, I was trying to buy.
Speaker A:I was looking at, trying to look at a layout of a concert venue.
Speaker A:I was annoyed.
Speaker A:I couldn't do it.
Speaker A:I think I was more annoyed by the place that told me that I couldn't too though, because it was like Ticketmaster or some shit and I made me angry.
Speaker A:Fuck you.
Speaker A:I'm person.
Speaker A:You're the.
Speaker A:You're the bot, not me.
Speaker B:You're the bot.
Speaker B:I'm not.
Speaker B:I'm paying for.
Speaker B:Stop paying for you to be a bot.
Speaker B:$5 to tell you that you're human.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But anyways, yeah, so.
Speaker B:So yeah.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Is that what's been going on with you?
Speaker A:Yeah, I went to a show.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Being a bot.
Speaker A:No, I went to.
Speaker A:I did go to a show.
Speaker A:I was kind of interesting.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I got to go to Billy Bob's and see.
Speaker A:Not my normal fare of entertainment, but saw Jelly Roll for his Jelly Roll in Friends because they do a charity event every year and had a lot of special guests from Ernest to Jesse Murph and Russell Dickerson co Wetzel and.
Speaker A:But Post Malone showed up and then Lainey Wilson.
Speaker A:But I was pretty excited about Post Malone, so that was cool.
Speaker A:So got to watch a bunch of songs and now my knees tired and that's what I got.
Speaker A:It was fun.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It was loud.
Speaker B:Yeah, those things tend to be loud.
Speaker A:Very high, high quality people watching.
Speaker A:High quality people watching.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They're doing.
Speaker B:Offering Rise in the Via park and rides here to the show in San Antonio.
Speaker B:And I think it would be fun to just.
Speaker B:To go to the park and ride.
Speaker A:Just people watch from there.
Speaker B:Just sit at the park and ride.
Speaker A:A tailgate at the park and Ride.
Speaker B:Yeah, just set up there.
Speaker B:Epic.
Speaker A:I like that.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker A:Well, Sarah Farrell's.
Speaker A:So the stadium tour is a little different.
Speaker A:So it's Post Malone, Jelly Roll and Sarah Farrell's on those, which is pretty badass.
Speaker B:She's really cool, fun.
Speaker A:I've seen her come up from like small venue world and she's very interesting character if you want to listen to some like, very, very like bluegrassy country like stuff.
Speaker A:She's.
Speaker A:She's good.
Speaker A:But yeah, there we go.
Speaker A:So let's talk about this depressing episode.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:All right, so this EP the Werther Project.
Speaker B:And the title of this episode, the Werther Project, is a reference to the Werther effect or copycat suicide.
Speaker B:The term came from reputed suicides that occurred in 18th century Europe in the style of a suicide of the protagonist Werther in the novel the Sorrows of Young Werther by Goethe.
Speaker B:And it's, you know, one that's just depressing in itself.
Speaker B:Like it just sounds Depressing.
Speaker B:Just reading that thing like.
Speaker B:Or just sad.
Speaker B:Just sad.
Speaker B:But, you know, it just.
Speaker B:It has been shown that, you know, the Werther effect is true.
Speaker B:And, you know, once people who are vulnerable to suicide, once it's said in the media or they see instances of it, are more likely and more vulnerable to.
Speaker B:To do that.
Speaker B:And so it is.
Speaker B:I just think it means that we need to acknowledge that during this, as Diana said, depressing episode, our conversation will be dealing with the topic of suicide.
Speaker B:So please be mindful of that.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, so this was season 10, episode 19, Diana discredits her teeth.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:And it was directed by Stephen Plzinski, who we last saw direct Alex A Annie, Alexis Ann and was written by Robert Barons, who also wrote Alex, Annie, Alexis Ann and.
Speaker B:But we've seen him this season with Girls, Girls, Girls and the Executioner song.
Speaker A:This was.
Speaker A:That was the Annie.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:That was a up episode too.
Speaker A:So that makes sense.
Speaker A:That tracks.
Speaker A:That tracks.
Speaker A:Maybe that's a word I want to.
Speaker B:Use instead of depressing.
Speaker B:I think this is really intense.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:It's a very intense episode and I would find it dark.
Speaker A:Dark.
Speaker A:Intense.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think, yeah, it's stressful.
Speaker B:It's intense.
Speaker B:It's emotional, it's dark.
Speaker B:It's dark as hell.
Speaker B:Like, it's.
Speaker A:Yeah, super.
Speaker B:So, I mean, that's just what happens in St.
Speaker B:Louis, I think.
Speaker A:Oh, St.
Speaker A:Louis is a lovely city.
Speaker A:They like tea.
Speaker A:Ravs.
Speaker A:Toasted raviolis.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker B:St.
Speaker B:Louis is fine.
Speaker B:I have no.
Speaker B:I have no.
Speaker B:I have no problem with St Louis.
Speaker B:What's up?
Speaker B:So, but we're going to start off in the 70s, St.
Speaker B: Louis in: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know what to say about that.
Speaker A: So,: Speaker A:And we cut in the house and you know, you got your teenage girl watching tv and it gets.
Speaker A:And then her brother turns it off.
Speaker A:Listen to a record and she turns it back on.
Speaker A:My mom turns it off.
Speaker B:I mean, he's got.
Speaker B:He has a record player.
Speaker B:No, but he has a record player in his room and he can go listen to in there.
Speaker B:And you know, that's the only place they have.
Speaker B:It's TV.
Speaker B: It's: Speaker B:The only TV.
Speaker A:Not one in every room.
Speaker B:And Looney Tunes is on.
Speaker B:She doesn't have a TV on her phone.
Speaker B:Like she needs.
Speaker B:This is the only place she could watch, like, the only thing that's.
Speaker A:And it's going on now.
Speaker A:You can't pause it.
Speaker B:She can't pause it.
Speaker B:And she only.
Speaker B:This is the only thing that's on.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:Well, mom turns it off and gives her chores.
Speaker A:Because now, even though brother was a jerk and she turned it back on, Mom's like, nah, you got to do.
Speaker A:And she walks by, we see her dad talking on the phone about a house.
Speaker A:And then we get our music begins to play from the record player, and it's I Saw the Light by Todd Rundgren.
Speaker B:You know he's still alive.
Speaker A:Yeah, he just played the Longhorn Ballroom.
Speaker B:Crazy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Doing a set of Burt Bacharach songs.
Speaker A:That's what he's touring doing these days.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I would watch that, I think.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I think a little drugs for that, but maybe.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyways, she's, like, gonna go.
Speaker A:She's.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Poor girl who got booted from watching her TV show, and everybody's being rude to her and ignoring her.
Speaker A:She's gonna go do laundry in the basement by herself.
Speaker A:And this is, like.
Speaker A:It's weird.
Speaker A:There's, like, obviously been some Renault work fairly recently, possibly recently abandoned going on in the basement.
Speaker A:It's kind of a weird look, but she just, you know, grabs a sledgehammer and starts breaking through the wall.
Speaker B:You know, she needed, you know, a new look.
Speaker B:She just wanted to go through.
Speaker B:She decided to be cheaper to do it herself.
Speaker B:And so there's a really cool safe in there.
Speaker B:And it's so dreamy.
Speaker B:Like, I wish that, like, I could, like, bust through a wall and there would be, like, this safe, and it was, like, covered.
Speaker A:Whimsical.
Speaker A:A whimsical safe.
Speaker B:Yes, a whimsical safe.
Speaker B:And so the Aquarian star looks like them in a letter sign, but squished a.
Speaker B:She can't open it.
Speaker B:And she just flies back.
Speaker B:The safe just is like.
Speaker A:Throws her back.
Speaker B:You can't touch me.
Speaker B:And green smoke comes out of that.
Speaker B:And that's probably not a good sign.
Speaker B:It just honestly looks like a biohazard.
Speaker B:And it looks like a floating biohazard going up the stairs.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I had a.
Speaker A:I had a terrible observation.
Speaker A:It looked like a gassy Tinkerbell.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or, you know, a really, like, you know, when the.
Speaker A:And like, the Peter Pan.
Speaker A:Like, I just see a little light floating around this Tinkerbell, and there's, like, this little light floating around with this green gas behind it.
Speaker A:I'm like, Gassy fairy.
Speaker A:Anyways, so.
Speaker A:But the green gas goes upstairs.
Speaker A:And then this girl wakes up on the floor of the basement and doesn't know why the.
Speaker A:Like, she.
Speaker A:That wall up, though, she took that out.
Speaker B:She did.
Speaker B:And that was a very small sledgehammer to do that with.
Speaker B:Like, maybe the wall just also just really wanted to go.
Speaker B:But she walks past, and the frying pan is smok.
Speaker B:Burner.
Speaker B:And she just keeps walking.
Speaker B:She doesn't move it off the stove.
Speaker B:Like, what's wrong with you?
Speaker B:Move that off the burner.
Speaker A:Or turn the.
Speaker A:At least turn the burner off at a minimum.
Speaker A:Like, it's already ruined.
Speaker A:But, yeah, so it's super weird.
Speaker A:And she's calling out for her parents because she's like.
Speaker A:Doesn't know how long she's been out or anything.
Speaker A:And as she walks by her dad's office, he is on the floor and has obviously just shot himself in the head.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So he is dead from a bullet in his head.
Speaker B:She starts running, and the record player is turning.
Speaker B:And then Brad just drops from the ceiling as he has hung himself.
Speaker B:And then she screams and she runs to the kitchen.
Speaker B: And then, like, her perfect: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Her daughter clings to her legs.
Speaker A:It's a lot.
Speaker B:That's a lot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's a lot of therapy.
Speaker A:That's a lot, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we cut.
Speaker B:Go from that to the present.
Speaker A:And Sam and Rowena are discussing their deal.
Speaker A:And she tells Sam that there's one thing that he can do for her that she can't do, and that's kill her son.
Speaker A:So Rowena wants to kill Crowley, and she can't get to him because his minions are watching for her.
Speaker B:His stinky minions.
Speaker B:Well, you know, I like that they're clarified, that they are stinky minions.
Speaker A:Stinky minions.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And then she just, I think, doesn't really expect that Sam's just like, no problem, whatever.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, I'll kill Crowley on Tuesday.
Speaker B:Like, it's fine.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she's like, you don't want to know why.
Speaker A:And he's like, I don't really care.
Speaker A:Yeah, whatever.
Speaker A:But he wants to confirm first that she can read this book, but she can.
Speaker A:Not in its current form, though.
Speaker A:So Sam's like this.
Speaker A:I'm out.
Speaker A:She's like, no, no, hold on.
Speaker A:I know that you've come to me because I'm your last resort.
Speaker A:So we're.
Speaker A:We're gonna talk, bro.
Speaker A:And in the middle of this.
Speaker A:Dean is texting Sam that he is hitting a nest in Tulsa.
Speaker A:But Rowena says that Nadia was the grant was a Grand Coven witch and she could read the book, but she's dead.
Speaker A:And her codex is basically said that Men of Letters happen.
Speaker B:Well, you can break her.
Speaker B:You know, bring.
Speaker B:If you bring her Nadja's codex, she can break it open and then she can break the curse.
Speaker B:Easy peasy.
Speaker B:And he is like, well, where do I find it?
Speaker B:And he was like, who the fuck do you think murdered Nadja in the first place?
Speaker B:Your asshole Legacy, bros.
Speaker B:Men of Letters, you're starting to get, like, really kind of problematic the more further we get into the minute of Letters.
Speaker B:Like, so y' all just wanted her magic so you murdered her and took it?
Speaker A:Yes and no.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker B:You're justifying murdering a witch to take her spell book?
Speaker A:No, I'm justifying that the whole point of all of the hunters is killing quote, unquote, monsters.
Speaker A:And in their mindset, this is not the monster.
Speaker B:This is not hunters.
Speaker B:They're Men of Letters.
Speaker B:That's completely different.
Speaker B:Yeah, the Men of Letters is completely separate from being a hunter.
Speaker B:Men of Letters think hunters are Neanderthals.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:So we cut to Dean decapitating a vampire in a trailer in Tulsa.
Speaker B:Well, heavy guitar riffs are playing because he's just enjoying himself.
Speaker B:And he is just like swinging his machete around.
Speaker A:It is a bloody mess.
Speaker A:Bloody mess.
Speaker A:And he kind of like does his half ass attempt to clean up, but then just finds an outdoor fridge full of beer.
Speaker A:And he.
Speaker A:He's happy.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, I think he cleaned it off enough.
Speaker B:I mean, he's just gonna get more vamp blood on it, I guess.
Speaker B:Or maybe he's gonna clean it at home.
Speaker B:And it's just like, this is my field thing.
Speaker A:Yeah, but Sam shows up and.
Speaker A:But Dean's already done.
Speaker A:He's took out six vampires by himself, which is his personal best.
Speaker A:And he's gonna have his beer now because why not?
Speaker A:But Sam's bummed.
Speaker A:He's like, oh, my gosh, he didn't wait for me.
Speaker A:This is dangerous.
Speaker A:And Dean's kind of like, what the.
Speaker A:Like, you know, why you look at me like I'm a diseased killer puppy.
Speaker A:Which is a nice description.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Disease killer puppy is very alliterative as the fact that Dean is sweaty and covered in vamp juice, which is also the title of my next sex tape.
Speaker B:And he wants to go get his buzz on and pass out watching Speed two cruise control.
Speaker B:I also keep.
Speaker B:So vamp juice.
Speaker B:I am drinking out a nauseous cup.
Speaker B:The bass is bumping, the blood is pumping for Naja's vamp juice.
Speaker B:Because that's what I kept thinking about this in all of it.
Speaker B:So nice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So if you go from that to the bunker where Dean has fallen asleep with headphones on, which is adorable.
Speaker B:And then Sam goes into my version of porn and starts going through the Men of Letters archives looking for information on Nadia.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he finds something.
Speaker A:He finds an old tape recording.
Speaker B:He finds a real to real tape machine.
Speaker B:And, like, it.
Speaker B:Like, on the outside of it, it looks like it's about the Grand Coven, because it says, like, gc and that's what he thinks.
Speaker B:Like, the meeting minutes are.
Speaker B:And he's got the most amazing headphones on.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And we get a flashback scene, and it is about Cuthbert Sinclair's expulsion from the Men of Letters, and they are discussing his enchanted Werther box, and it's a lethality of 98%, but they're pissed because he did this without oversight, and it's dangerous, and it's killed two Men of Letters, and he's like, look, I already fucking apologized.
Speaker A:I thought we were supposed to do great things, and that's why we were here.
Speaker A:Y' all are just acting like a bunch of librarians, and this is bullshit.
Speaker A:And he's like, the leader is like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he's also just, like, yelling like, you're not men.
Speaker B:Which, fuck you, Cuthbert.
Speaker B:Like, also, fuck you.
Speaker B:You're just librarians fucking off, man.
Speaker B:And also, Cuthbert is Magnus.
Speaker B:Like, when we pull out, we see that this is, you know, Cuthbert Sinclair is Magnus Sinclair.
Speaker B:And we've met him before, and so.
Speaker A:He was a jerk.
Speaker B:And he was a jerk then, and he's kind of a jerk now.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But this box is, like, so it was.
Speaker B:I just think it's kind of a weird idea that in order to keep.
Speaker B:So you're warding it in.
Speaker B:Like, Magnus is like, I'm warding this box from the coven, so I have to make it really powerful so that they can't see it.
Speaker B:But it's because to make it that powerful, then it'll kill you.
Speaker B:I don't understand it.
Speaker B:Like, I don't really understand how the spell work works.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think.
Speaker A:I think that he just liked to do things.
Speaker A:To do things.
Speaker A:Like, I don't think that there.
Speaker A:There really.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:There was not a.
Speaker A:The justification that he presented was nonsensical.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, like, I Know, magic has a price.
Speaker B:But, like, okay, I'm gonna ward a box.
Speaker B:Like, why would the warding be evil?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So anyway, so this is, like, gotten Fletcher and Martinez, who were two Men of Letters who were members in good standing.
Speaker B:And like, Fletcher found, like, happened on the box.
Speaker B:And so he gets.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He ends up.
Speaker B:He dies.
Speaker B:And then Martinez tried to shut it down and he slid his wrist.
Speaker A:But apparently he was on the right track.
Speaker A:That's the key.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So Martinez is on the right track on how to break the code of the box.
Speaker A:And so Markham, who's like, are kind of leading this meeting, basically expel.
Speaker A:Expels good old fucking Sinclair and tells the rest of the men and letters to bury the box.
Speaker A:That seems dangerous as shit, right?
Speaker A:Like, oh, this box is like, good.
Speaker A:Definitely makes people kill themselves.
Speaker A:Let's just not.
Speaker A:Let's just not try to work on it and just put it away.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I feel like, like a lot of countries do that with, like, toxic voice and.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like we're just gonna, like, bury this and forget about it, you know, we're just gonna put this in another country and forget it, you know, like, so maybe people, you know, humans suck.
Speaker B:So, I mean.
Speaker B:And also, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker B:The middle letters suck.
Speaker B:Like, I want to like them because I want to be an academic librarian who, like, goes into, like.
Speaker B:Who, like, archives all the spells and stuff.
Speaker B:But if you're killing people to get your spells and then like, making things that are so this evil, and then just like, we're just gonna toss it.
Speaker A:Away, put in the closet and walk.
Speaker B:Away, you know, like, maybe you're not good.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But Sam ends.
Speaker B:Ends his tape and he finds the address of the St.
Speaker B:Louis House in a journal.
Speaker B:And the other chapters that are noted in there.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:You're super wiki, obviously, but Roswell area, 382 bunker.
Speaker B:There's one in Missoula, one North Central Missoula, Montana, and one in Canton, Mississippi.
Speaker B:Mississippi, right.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And what in PA like, and so in the St.
Speaker B: e weather box is hidden is at: Speaker A:Sam calls Rowena to tell her that he has a lead.
Speaker A:She is pissed because she was asleep and it is early and she is over 300 years old.
Speaker A:And so beauty sleep is not optional.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:And she is in an amazing nightgown.
Speaker B:Like, I just wish I was this kind of nightgown person.
Speaker B:Like, it's just like.
Speaker B: So like: Speaker B:But, you know, like, some people are.
Speaker A:Well, she wants to provide some kind of support.
Speaker A:She's like, do you need an incantation?
Speaker A:Do you want me to go with you?
Speaker A:And she's like.
Speaker A:Sam's like, no, I just want to let you know where the I'm at.
Speaker A:I'm going to.
Speaker A:So he goes to the house.
Speaker B:He said that he needs a spell.
Speaker B:So he tells her about his leap, but he needs a spell to break.
Speaker B:To break it.
Speaker B:And she recommends the Kiberian invocation and that it's easy to obtain.
Speaker B:It's a good all purpose disenchantment, but it's not for amateurs.
Speaker B:And that's why she wants to come with him.
Speaker B:And the Kiberian invocation, Like, there are Kiberians, but they're shiners, you know, what, the fuzz people?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So anyhow, so he.
Speaker B:He now knows that he needs to do this spell, so he's gonna go to St.
Speaker B:Louis and do that invocation.
Speaker A:And the house is like, not abandoned, but definitely kind of like in disrepair.
Speaker B:It's quarter chic.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Sam is about to pick the lock, which is a really weird choice when it looks like a house is occupied to not like, I don't know, knock first.
Speaker B:He didn't wait very long before he just started picking that lock.
Speaker A:And he stood on the porch, he looked around, and then he pulled out his lock pick kit.
Speaker A:That was it.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:And that's how you get a gun pulled on you through a door.
Speaker A:And that's what happened rightfully.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, yeah, I support this.
Speaker A:And he's like, oh, I can explain.
Speaker A:How the fuck do you explain this?
Speaker A:So she gets three options.
Speaker B:Good luck of getting out of this one.
Speaker B:Like, I'm.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he retreats because I think he realizes he's fucked.
Speaker A:And then as he gets in the car, guess who hops in the passenger side?
Speaker A:But Dean.
Speaker A:And Dean wants to help with the case because he's had time to think.
Speaker A:He realizes he shouldn't gone off solo like he did after the vamps.
Speaker A:And that was a douche move.
Speaker A:And so he assumes that Sam is doing this solo case as a.
Speaker A:As a lesson to Dean.
Speaker A:He sleuthed out the address by doing.
Speaker B:Babysitter, clubbed his way right through it by etching.
Speaker B:Taking the etching off that tablet and.
Speaker A:Then googled and he found that it was the St.
Speaker A:Louis Suicide House.
Speaker B:Look, the look of Sam's face.
Speaker B:He was like, oh, you're going after the St.
Speaker B:Louis Suicide House.
Speaker B:And just.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes, I am.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:You figured it out.
Speaker B:Like, if that was in your head, you're just like, suicide.
Speaker B:That sounds bad.
Speaker B:Suicide house sounds really bad.
Speaker B:What's the suicide house?
Speaker A:Surprise.
Speaker A:A surprise suicide house.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, you just don't.
Speaker B:And so Dean tells a story, which is the depressing thing from the beginning.
Speaker B:And he is sussed out that the daughter is a.
Speaker B:Probably the one who just tried to shoot Sam's nuts off.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But he also thinks it's weird that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That Sam has gone after this case at all.
Speaker A:Because it's not just a cold case.
Speaker A:It's just so old and nothing's really happened.
Speaker A:But maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe Sam knows something else.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam tries to cover it by being like, look, it's an old minute letter house.
Speaker B:And he's not lying about that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And he's like, the Werther is buried in the house, and nobody was there to protect it because Abby killed them all.
Speaker B:And the Werther is a time bomb, and it needs to be refused because it's our responsibility.
Speaker B:We're Men of Letters.
Speaker B:It's our legacy.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, sure, okay.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:I guess.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:There's a box.
Speaker A:So you have Dean's attention.
Speaker A:Dean goes and knocks on the door because.
Speaker A:And he.
Speaker A:And this a woman answers with her pistol because she assumed it was going to be Sam again.
Speaker A:But Dean pretends to be part of the neighborhood watch.
Speaker A:And he wants the description of the person who tried to break in.
Speaker A:And he uses this to finagle getting himself inside.
Speaker A:And that is insane that he's able to get inside this house.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think she's thrown off guard.
Speaker B:Like, so one, and he says he's Dwight Twilly.
Speaker B:And that is a man who's saying, I'm on fire.
Speaker B:And so that song probably started going through her head.
Speaker B:And she is like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I'm a fire.
Speaker B:And then she's like, wait, what?
Speaker B:Dean?
Speaker B:And then, like, he's inside.
Speaker B:She's like, how the.
Speaker B:And then she's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker B:What dude?
Speaker B:And she's like, oh, yeah, that guy.
Speaker B:He had pretty hair.
Speaker B:And then she started thinking about Sam's hair.
Speaker B:And so once again, she's just thrown off.
Speaker B:She also hasn't talked, clearly talked to anybody in like, 40 years.
Speaker A:Yeah, she's not very social.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't blame her.
Speaker B:She's living with a crazy box.
Speaker A:But While this is happening, Sam has this.
Speaker A:They've decided that the good plan here is for Sam to go around back and pick the lock.
Speaker A:Like, this is like.
Speaker A:I'm like, this poor lady.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker B:And so then, like.
Speaker B:So Sam is now broken in the back door.
Speaker B:And then Dean asked her if she lives alone.
Speaker B:And she's like, it's just me and Gus.
Speaker B:And Gus is her gun.
Speaker B:Which is good for you.
Speaker B:I will be waving it around too.
Speaker B:But men, we stop asking women if they live alone.
Speaker B:It's creepy.
Speaker B:It's real creepy.
Speaker A:We see the same Chevelle in the backyard too, when Sam's breaking in.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Dean's looking around and the house is kind of a mess.
Speaker A:It's like your chic.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:My first thought is like, oh, she.
Speaker A:And we get a hint that she doesn't go to the basement and we'll get there in a second.
Speaker A:But I was like, did she just keep buying clothes because she can't do laundry?
Speaker B:Yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker B:Would you?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:I think I'd just be like, there's.
Speaker A:Like, baskets of clothes and, like, piles of clothes everywhere.
Speaker A:Anyways, I hadn't thought about that, but.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:No, I.
Speaker B:I think that's what it is.
Speaker A:Because this is what this is.
Speaker B:Down to the basement.
Speaker A:Pass.
Speaker A:He does.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, thank you.
Speaker A:But he almost gets busted because the tea kettle goes off right when they.
Speaker A:Marmy walks by.
Speaker A:But, yes, he makes it to the basement and there's this weird pile of chairs against the wall where the hole was.
Speaker A:It's really odd.
Speaker A:That's all.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And Dean starts being extra creepy now because he starts talking about how lonely it must be to be woman living alone in that big house.
Speaker B:House by herself.
Speaker A:Stop it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker A:She does share that after her family died, her aunt moved in and raised her for a few years.
Speaker A:Then, dot, dot, dot.
Speaker A:She trails off because we hear a noise because Sam's making noise in the basement and it freaks everybody out.
Speaker A:And she tells Dean that she told her aunt not to go in the basement because no one goes in the basement.
Speaker B:What's in the basement, Susie?
Speaker A:Very upsetting.
Speaker B:It is very upsetting.
Speaker B:Dean just has like, the most amazing.
Speaker B:Like, I.
Speaker B:I've sent Diana's screenshots of just Dean's face.
Speaker B:Like, what's in the basement, Susie?
Speaker B:What's in the box?
Speaker B:What's in the box?
Speaker B:But Sam has the box.
Speaker B:And things are just starting to kind of spiral a little bit, Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:She's getting a little tense.
Speaker A:Sam is about to start this spell.
Speaker A:Susie's pointing a gun at Dean and she's like, I'm not a.
Speaker A:I might be rusty, but I'm not an idiot.
Speaker A:And the doorbell hasn't rang in months.
Speaker A:And all of a sudden I got two visitors.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:One breaks in and one's asking weird questions.
Speaker A:You came for the box?
Speaker B:And she says.
Speaker B:It's really sad though, because she said there's only like one thing that's worth something here and they wouldn't be going after her and Susie, you're worth something.
Speaker B:Somebody would abduct and murder you.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:You know, like, you know, you.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:You are worth something to.
Speaker B:To somebody.
Speaker B:And so, you know, just to have a little more.
Speaker B:Worth more than a weird box.
Speaker B:At least we.
Speaker B:I think that.
Speaker A:So I don't know.
Speaker A:You really like that box, Liz?
Speaker B:It's a pretty cool box.
Speaker B:So Sam starts ordering from buka to beo.
Speaker B:Well, actually, what he's doing is he's doing that spell from earlier and he says, purifakara la magia.
Speaker B:And like the loose translation is cleanse the magic.
Speaker A:Okay, well, she's telling Dean that she knew someone would come for the box and she was not going to let that happen.
Speaker A:And then it dawns at her that Sam is downstairs and Dean's trying to like, no, my brother and I, we're here to help.
Speaker A:And she's yelling to.
Speaker A:For Dean to call Sam up and because.
Speaker A:And she's pointing her gun at him.
Speaker A:So they are listening and Sam is hearing this, but he thinks he's finished this spell.
Speaker A:And he opens the box and there's get an intense noise.
Speaker A:I don't know how to describe.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm not sure if he like if he thinks he finishes a spell though, because the fire in the bowl goes out.
Speaker B:And then he tries to say the abracadabra again.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:Finally he's kind of like.
Speaker B:So I think he's like, kind of like, did I.
Speaker B:Did I not?
Speaker B:And because he didn't.
Speaker B:And so he pulls.
Speaker B:He pulls it out.
Speaker B:And then we get our green fairy gas.
Speaker A:We do.
Speaker A:And yeah, so Susie is very upset and Dean is kind of freaking the out, which is reasonable.
Speaker A:She's yelling for them to get out and she's mad that they let it out.
Speaker A:And the smoke is coming for them and it goes into their eyes.
Speaker A:It makes their eyes glow for a second.
Speaker B:Yeah, you have some Visine for that.
Speaker B:And then Sam comes upstairs and Susie starts seeing ghosts.
Speaker B:And then they run away when she starts shooting at the ghost.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is fair.
Speaker A:I mean, I.
Speaker B:This smart.
Speaker B:Smart.
Speaker A:I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker A:Do I blame her?
Speaker A:Do I blame them?
Speaker A:Like, I don't really know about any of this, but I don't blame her for being distraught.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, you know, so she goes back to the kitchen and there's ghost mom.
Speaker B:And ghost mom looks minty fresh and.
Speaker B:Except her neck is all bloody.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, the ghosts of her family are visiting her in the form after their death, which is not.
Speaker A:Not pleasant.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Very good makeup, though.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:But they start taunting her because they're really mean.
Speaker B:And then she just starts, like, yelling.
Speaker B:And Dean, she's like, what do we do?
Speaker A:And Dean's like, we don't have a plan here.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:Sam and Susie's family is basically telling her that it's.
Speaker A:They're taunting her and telling her it's her fault that they're dead.
Speaker B:But what kind of.
Speaker B:Also what kind of plan would Dean have put together for the ghost box for the.
Speaker B:You know, the scary.
Speaker A:Sam knew.
Speaker A:If Sam knew it was a cursed box and a suicide curse in a suicide house that makes people kill themselves, maybe they would have thought of something.
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe he should have looked up that it was a suicide house before.
Speaker B:Maybe he should have Googled it.
Speaker B:Because I'm pretty sure if that probably comes out.
Speaker B:Have been a Google search.
Speaker B:Let me Google that for you, Sam.
Speaker A:Yes, Google it.
Speaker A:Google it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyways, it's just very distressing.
Speaker A:And so Sam and Dean are looking for Susie.
Speaker A:And Dean starts just having this, like, weird vision of like, dirt ground and stuff like that.
Speaker A:And as Sam is.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's like, inside.
Speaker B:He's inside the kitchen, but he's also outside.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's real weird.
Speaker A:And Dean is starting to see ghosts.
Speaker A:And he's.
Speaker A:Then he's in the woods.
Speaker A:So he's fully in the woods while Sam is.
Speaker A:But not like he's in the house.
Speaker A:But he thinks he sees that he's in the woods.
Speaker B:And we see that these just aren't any woods.
Speaker B:They're Purgatory woods.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:As Sam is in the house, still looking for Susie.
Speaker A:And then, of course, he hears a gunshot.
Speaker A:And he gets into the office and Susie has shot herself.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Super sad.
Speaker A:I drew.
Speaker A:I was sad facing in my.
Speaker A:There's a lot of sad faces in this one drawing in my book.
Speaker A:So somebody's in the woods with Dean in Purgatory.
Speaker A:And now Susie's ghost is bothering Sam.
Speaker B:Is chewing his Ass out.
Speaker B:And she's like, look, you.
Speaker B:Like, I was fine for 40 years.
Speaker B:And, like, you come in here with your pretty hair and up and look at me.
Speaker B:Look at me.
Speaker B:Look at my corpse over there.
Speaker B:And she makes him, like, look at her corpse.
Speaker A:And she calls herself the first casualty of his misguided mission and asks if it's worth it as long as the two of them are alive.
Speaker A:And I'm like, ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch.
Speaker A:But Susie, Sam is realizing that she is not real, even though she's continuing.
Speaker A:And she's trying to, like, kind of chase him.
Speaker A:And she's calling him out on how he out of control he is and because he should be stopped.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And that she just straight up tells him to kill himself, which is real dark.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the only one who can stop you is you.
Speaker B:And then Rowena shows up looking theorists as follows.
Speaker B:And this blue dress with, like, this blue eyeshadow.
Speaker B:A blue eyeshadow and a smoky eye.
Speaker B:Like, she did both, which is like, you know, like, that's double whammy baller move.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Bold.
Speaker A:It's bold.
Speaker A:Bold, but.
Speaker A:And she banishes the ghost.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, dean cannot see you.
Speaker A:But they find Dean, and he is standing in a room calling out to Sam, but can clearly not see the room that he is in.
Speaker A:He sees the woods and gets attacked by a Leviathan.
Speaker B:Like, leviathan, question mark.
Speaker B:By the way, this was filmed at Panther Paintball in Surrey.
Speaker B:And if you want to go there, an Airsoft package is required to visit.
Speaker B:The scene earlier with Dean killing the vampires was filmed in the parking lot of the paintball place.
Speaker A:That's hilarious.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, okay, so the leviathan gets its head cut off, and who cuts its head off?
Speaker A:It's Benny.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:It's kind of Benny.
Speaker B:It's kind of not.
Speaker A:So Sam is trying to snap Dean out of this, and Irina's like, look, whatever he's in, it's real to him.
Speaker B:So let me do a hilarious dance in front of him.
Speaker B:And you can see like, oh, Mr.
Speaker B:Dean, you cannot see me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she's like, we're gonna have to.
Speaker A:Like, he's deep in that spell, so we're gonna have to figure out how to get him out by the root.
Speaker A:But Sam's like, well, let's go break into the box, and that should break the spell and break all the things and let's do this.
Speaker A:So they're going to go do that, but first they're going to tie Dean up so he doesn't hurt himself while they're.
Speaker B:And Rowena thinks that could be fun.
Speaker B:But I'm like, look at how they.
Speaker B:Okay, I'll get back to.
Speaker B:So Dean and Benny are chatting and walking.
Speaker B:And Dean tells Benny that he's a figment trying to keep, you know, keep him from getting back to reality.
Speaker B:And Benny is, like, kind of offended that Dean thinks he's offended.
Speaker B:And I think it's the same thing.
Speaker B:Like, maybe somebody thinking you're a bot.
Speaker A:Maybe similar.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:But I think it's interesting that Benny reminds Dean that he's gotten him out of this place before.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And if he is his quote, unquote, subconscious junk, how could he lead him wrong?
Speaker B:Subconscious junk.
Speaker B:Title of my next sex tape or band album.
Speaker B:I'm not sure, but either would.
Speaker B:You sound pretty good.
Speaker A:So I think it's a band name.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But they have gone in a circle.
Speaker A:They have.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:Yes, they are walking, but they keep going in a circle.
Speaker A:So Dean does get tied to the chair by Sam and Rowena.
Speaker B:And this is where I feel like we can just look at that and be like, that's not secure.
Speaker B:And I feel Sam would be, like.
Speaker B:For Dean Winchester.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So strong.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I feel like this is kind of on them.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:So Sam and Rowena go down to the box.
Speaker A:And she compliments the box, because, of course, she does.
Speaker B:Well, she.
Speaker B:I don't think.
Speaker B:It's not so much the box.
Speaker B:I think she.
Speaker B:She appreciates Magnus's deliciously baroque spell work.
Speaker B:And so she thinks that's cool.
Speaker B:And then she goes, illumina.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And then everything, like, glows.
Speaker B:And you could see, like, what?
Speaker B:Everything is written.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And back in fake Purgatory, AKA Dean's brain, him and Benny are still walking in circles.
Speaker A:And Dean's questioning why they're in purgatory.
Speaker A:And Benny says that it's Dean's happy place, that he never really wanted to leave.
Speaker B:Which is dark, too.
Speaker B:It's so sad.
Speaker B:And it gets even darker.
Speaker B:Like, we're not done with how dark.
Speaker B:This being Dean's happy places.
Speaker B:But we cut from that to Rowena reading the inscription, which we get this fun, you know, exchange as she reads the inscription in Latin.
Speaker B:Like, Sam translates it and, like, the whole thing.
Speaker B:The loose translation is the key to this box.
Speaker B:One must discover for himself to open it, satiate its thirst with the blood of our own.
Speaker B:The craving for death shall infect every other soul enslaved by sorrow, envy, or fear.
Speaker A:Huh.
Speaker B:I don't, like, want to satiate this box.
Speaker B:No, I think I want to leave this box unfulfilled.
Speaker A:So anyway, so Sam figures out that unfulfilled box.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:That's why sometimes you just want to rub your crotch on things.
Speaker B:All right, so Stanley translates that this box wants blood.
Speaker B:And the blood of its own.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Now we're gonna be talking about bloody boxes.
Speaker B:So the blood.
Speaker B:Over.
Speaker B:I apologize, Diana, in advance, like.
Speaker B:Like about the box jokes.
Speaker B:But anyway, so the box wants Men of Letters blood.
Speaker B:It's hungry for legacy blood.
Speaker B:It wants his blood.
Speaker B:Isn't this convenient?
Speaker A:Back in Dean's brain, Benny is continuing to remind Dean about all the things they talked about.
Speaker A:About the purity of purgatory, of that place.
Speaker A:And he didn't have to look for a fight.
Speaker A:It would find him.
Speaker A:He could kill without consequence.
Speaker A:And Dean's trying to insist that he's tired of fighting.
Speaker A:But Benny is like, but the Mark isn't.
Speaker A:Oh, the Mark ain't.
Speaker A:I think, is actually.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:And it's cute anyway, but he's like.
Speaker A:You can't leave, and you don't want to see.
Speaker A:Stay.
Speaker A:But there's a third way out.
Speaker A:And I know you've been thinking about it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He just starts taunting him.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker A:It's upsetting.
Speaker B:It's upsetting.
Speaker B:And, you know, frankly, I actually think this is illegal.
Speaker B:I think I saw a case about this.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, there was a case about this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it's just.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:He just says really horrible stuff to him, and I don't like it.
Speaker A:It's unsettling.
Speaker A:Unsettling.
Speaker A:Yeah, because basically he's saying, like, your whole plan is to have, like, Cassiel or Sam take you out if you.
Speaker A:If the Mark takes control.
Speaker A:And so you're going to put that on them.
Speaker A:Why don't you just make it easy and take yourself out?
Speaker A:Which is just fucked.
Speaker A:Fucked.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And Dean's kind of like, yeah, I agree.
Speaker A:And Benny's like, oh, you won't hurt anyone ever again.
Speaker A:And right then, Dean breaks out of the chair in the house.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So physical.
Speaker B:Dean is looking at the bottles while Figment.
Speaker B:Dean is in.
Speaker B:In Purgatory.
Speaker B:And Benny tells him.
Speaker B:What happens in Purgatory stays in Purgatory.
Speaker B:And I want to punch Benny in the face with that line.
Speaker B:And then he hands him whatever the.
Speaker B:That Purgatory.
Speaker A:The weird Purgatory weapon.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Dean grabs an empty bottle and breaks it on the bar.
Speaker A:And we're like, oh, he's gonna kill himself with.
Speaker A:Kill himself with his fucking bottle.
Speaker A:And then Right.
Speaker A:Then we cut to Sam cutting his wrist to bleed into this.
Speaker A:It's like a weird bowl sink thing built into the box, you know, it's like, built into the box.
Speaker B:And this is the thing, too.
Speaker B:Like, so then Magnus, when he built the Werther boxes, he designed it.
Speaker B:So he designed it to be only Men of Letters blood.
Speaker B:Like, was he just doing this as a you to the middle of letters?
Speaker B:Being like, that's the only way that this can stop.
Speaker B:Like, screw you guys.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like, the fact that it ends up being Sam Winchester was.
Speaker B:Besides being plot convenient, I just think is, like, an interesting thing.
Speaker B:Okay, so he starts squeezing his blood into the blood bowl basin thing.
Speaker B:And the gears just start clacking.
Speaker A:Yeah, the gears are turning.
Speaker A:Back in Purgatory, Dean tells Benny that he's in as good a place as any to call it more like.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:And Sam is, like, getting woozy.
Speaker A:Like, he's given up a lot of blood real fast.
Speaker A:But apparently the box wants more blood.
Speaker B:The box wants it all.
Speaker B:It just does.
Speaker B:And he's like, I'll give it more.
Speaker B:And Marina's just squeezing him away, just.
Speaker A:Like, squeezing his little arm, trying to, like, help a little more out.
Speaker B:We'll just get a little more out.
Speaker B:Want to squeeze you some more.
Speaker A:But Dean tells Benny that he would do it if he had to, but the real Benny would never let him.
Speaker A:And the Mark won't let him either.
Speaker A:The Mark wants him alive.
Speaker A:So he kills Benny.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, that's the thing, you know?
Speaker B:The Mark is really, really strong.
Speaker B:And it is, like, even, like, stronger than the Werther Box.
Speaker A:That's crazy.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So it won't let him do it.
Speaker B:And so he stabs him with that thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So in the basement, Rowena is helping Sam bleed into this box.
Speaker A:And he is, like, passing the out.
Speaker A:And Dean runs down to the basement and tells Sam that it's the spell, you know, that.
Speaker A:That that's doing this and that.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, no, I.
Speaker A:I need legacy blood enough to take a life.
Speaker A:And Rowena's kind of, like, hiding against the wall, but so Dean wraps up Sam's arm, and he's like, no, I'm over.
Speaker A:Like, a legacy, too.
Speaker A:I'll give my blood.
Speaker A:And then you don't, and you can get back awake.
Speaker B:The Buffy principle, you know, it's not just Dawn's.
Speaker B:You know, Dawn's blood is also Buffy.
Speaker B:It's work.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:So he cuts his arm and starts adding to it.
Speaker A:And it's enough that the box pops Open.
Speaker A:And Rowena disappears.
Speaker A:It was fake.
Speaker A:Rowena.
Speaker A:She wasn't really there.
Speaker A:That eyeshadow wasn't real.
Speaker B:The eyeshadow wasn't real.
Speaker B:It was still a bold choice.
Speaker B:But she vanishes at the green smoke.
Speaker B:Wanted that eye.
Speaker A:Eye.
Speaker A:Is that what Sam came up with?
Speaker A:Was that bold?
Speaker A:Sam's subconscious brought that eye?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Good choice, Sam.
Speaker A:H.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:So Dean opens the box and he takes out the codex.
Speaker B:And he's just like the.
Speaker B:Is this Sammy?
Speaker B:Look, there's a book in here.
Speaker B:What's up?
Speaker B:That's what's going to do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So back and baby Sam has the book.
Speaker A:And Dean is strolling outside with a sledgehammer.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, is that overkill?
Speaker A:And it's like just a box now.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, nope, it's scrap metal now.
Speaker A:So he has fully destroyed supposedly with a sledgehammer.
Speaker A:The weather box.
Speaker B:I would take it with me.
Speaker B:I don't know if I would just be like, I'm just gonna pound this box into metal and leave it here.
Speaker B:Like I would put it in like you've got like Faraday cages and shit in your bunker.
Speaker B:Like put it like.
Speaker B:And take it it with you.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So Dean apologizes for going rogue.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's acknowledge.
Speaker A:Says, you know, acknowledges that they're stronger together than apart.
Speaker A:And he wants to know what could be so powerful, you know, to take a spell that nasty to protect.
Speaker A:So he wants to know what the.
Speaker A:This book is.
Speaker B:And Dean's also like, how does this work?
Speaker B:I don't understand.
Speaker A:And Sam lies.
Speaker A:He said no idea what this book is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:We'll keep it safe.
Speaker A:Liar.
Speaker A:I'm tired of Sam.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:Carol.
Speaker A:Kate.
Speaker A:So back in now.
Speaker A:Like some.
Speaker A:What is it?
Speaker A:We had a church or some abandoned building.
Speaker B:I have church question mark.
Speaker B:Church question mark.
Speaker B:Because there's like the stained glass windows seem to insinuate that it was some sort of.
Speaker B:Of thing.
Speaker A:And Sam has met with Rowena with the codex.
Speaker A:And they are.
Speaker A:He is going to give it to her.
Speaker A:And she's very excited.
Speaker A:But he immediately shackles her to the room.
Speaker B:So he shackles her to the book.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:Because that's really what he's doing.
Speaker B:He wants her to decode this book.
Speaker B:So we're going to talk about another witch's book.
Speaker B:Because it is time for our weekly section on Rosaline.
Speaker B:Norton Room.
Speaker B:And someday.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's lore.
Speaker B:And let's talk about it till I'm done.
Speaker B:So Witch of Kings Cross, here we go again.
Speaker B:All right, so most of the info for today's segment is from Neville Drury's Pan's Daughter, the Magical World of Rosalie Norton, as well as some various newspapers etc sources will be in the show notes and you know, if to catch everybody up, Rosalie Norton was the Witch of King's Cross in Australia.
Speaker B: We are in: Speaker B:Coincidentally, a freelance publisher, Wally Glover, decided he wanted to go to the central police station and offered them jobs as his assistance in his freelance advertising and journalism business.
Speaker B:So they got let go for their vagrancy charges.
Speaker A:Churches.
Speaker B:He arranged for them to visit him at his office.
Speaker B:They arrived at my office late in the afternoon, both freshly grouped.
Speaker B:Sorry, can we stop?
Speaker B:So he arranged for them to visit him at his office and he said that they arrived at my office late in the afternoon, both freshly groomed and sparkling, as if they were straight out of a tub.
Speaker B:But they were dressed like hippies, two decades ahead of their time.
Speaker B:Gavin Dispensed, displayed a propensity for copper.
Speaker B:His spectacles resting on the end of his nose, were held together with copper wire, as were his well worn footwear, which that seems to me to imply that his shoes were held together with wire.
Speaker B:So Rosaline was more concerned with demons, although at that stage she had not cultivated the acute features that later characterized her appearance.
Speaker B:They showed me their extraordinary work.
Speaker B:It had not been prepared specifically for the occasion, hence it was a genuine cross section of their capabilities.
Speaker B:It was so different to anything I had seen.
Speaker B:I was impressed with his obvious potential.
Speaker B:So basically they just showed up with their like.
Speaker B:Like not even a portfolio.
Speaker B:And he was like, this is great, I love it.
Speaker B:And he was like, we're going to publish a book.
Speaker B:Like, maybe we can use my office lithograph machine.
Speaker B:And then he was like, no, let's do something more professional.
Speaker B:A formal contract was made providing him with royalties as an advance against future book sales.
Speaker B:He was to give roe and Gavin eight pounds a week, each rising to a maximum of 200 pounds against a 15% royalty.
Speaker B:Wally was to obtain copyright ownership of Rowie's past, present and future artistic works.
Speaker B:That's done.
Speaker B:So that's crazy.
Speaker B:It's crazy.
Speaker A:So who signs that away?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It sounds like a terrible deal.
Speaker B:So they worked on selecting pieces for the books.
Speaker B:Gavin's poems were to accompany Rosaline's illustrations.
Speaker B:Pieces selected include a rendition of Lilith, Queen of Air, and Darkness.
Speaker B:A horned devil named Fo Hat with a snake for a dick and a leonine deity Eloi, who resembled a Persian monarch.
Speaker B:Additionally, there were the rights of Baron Sameti and Black Magic.
Speaker B:The one where that chick is hugging a panther, Entombment of Count Orgaz was a parody of an El Greco painting.
Speaker B:There was a room at Castle Isildeus which show clocks, vases and chairs coming magically to life, like in a fairy tale.
Speaker B:The Mosque of Eidolons and Fishers of Men were caricatures of figures in the church and.
Speaker B:And Edith Sitwell was a tribute to a writer whose work that she had recently been reading.
Speaker B:So to publish the book, Wally got the help of Alan Cross, a former pilot who retired and was spending his time restoring family Bibles.
Speaker B:Alan agreed to bind 500 copies of this book in leather for the price of £1 per copy.
Speaker B:There have been talk of binding some of the copies in tanned back skin because there had been a plague of bats that year and so there were excess number of bat carcasses, but it was agreed that traditional leather was more practical.
Speaker B: were published in mid August: Speaker B:The book was bound in red leather with gold blocking with a Tibetan blue jacket with the line drawn.
Speaker B:It was set to sell for 8 guineas a copy, which apparently was a lot.
Speaker B:The Internet says that was around 186 Australian dollars today.
Speaker B:But you know, the Internet's full of lies, so take that as you will.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker B:That's pricey for a book, right?
Speaker B:And nothing kind of went.
Speaker B:Right from the start, Wally had intended for a thousand copies to go, but that was not going to be the case.
Speaker B:Both his father and Roe's father died the day the book was scheduled for release.
Speaker B:And he sent copies of the book to New York, London and Paris.
Speaker B:But soon everything was just coming to a halt.
Speaker B:The Postmaster General threatened prosecution over registration of what was reported to be an indecent publication.
Speaker B:As it had been noted, there were female figures with pubic hair.
Speaker A:Newspapers.
Speaker A:The Postmaster.
Speaker B:The Postmaster General.
Speaker B:So this is like, what?
Speaker B:So because it's a book publication.
Speaker A:The Postman Police.
Speaker B:The Postman Police.
Speaker B:So they're basically saying it's an obscene book and you cannot send this through the post.
Speaker B:Yeah, so that's an interesting thing.
Speaker B:You know, it's something that is today.
Speaker B:Like, you know, I'm not sure where the law is in Australia, but, you know, we have.
Speaker B:There are regulations over, but you can pretty much Send whatever you want unless we go back to our Comstock.
Speaker B:Comstock act.
Speaker B:Anyways, so newspapers started really getting into this, right?
Speaker B:And they started calling it the most blatant example of obsidian yet published in Austin, Australia.
Speaker B:Most of them hadn't seen it.
Speaker B:That's just what they were publishing there was.
Speaker B:Yeah, and they get to get lucky, right?
Speaker B:They had a moment of serendipity because there was a party organized for a Masonic master at the Sky Ballroom and they didn't need that party anymore because that master died.
Speaker B:So they had all this food and drink and just this venue there for the taking.
Speaker B:So they got to use that for their book launch.
Speaker B:And it got a full page coverage in a national weekly magazine.
Speaker B:And everyone started thinking, well, maybe this is turning around.
Speaker B:The American consul requested a copy bound in Batskin.
Speaker B:And the Pakistani consulate invited the artist and the publisher to produce an erotic book based on the mythic imagery of Pakistani temples.
Speaker B:It was just way more fun to be an ambassador back then.
Speaker B:I want to go to these ambassador parties of the 50s.
Speaker B:These sounds great.
Speaker B:Anyways, so things just get worse, though, because Wally was then charged with producing an obscene publication on August 27, and the new newspapers just kept up their noise until the trials happened September 6, the mail in Adelaide published sex symbolism.
Speaker B:Sex symbolism is portrayed with such stark abandon in a strictly limited edition of an artwork just published in Sydney that an all male staff was engaged to bind the work.
Speaker B:They just had all men over there and it said, magic shows a naked woman in the embrace of a black panther and will horrify many who see it.
Speaker B:But the poem which accompanies it is almost movingly beautiful in its expression of loneliness.
Speaker B:And it's perhaps the only generally comprehensible thing in the whole work.
Speaker B:This is the only poem that Gavin did not write in the book.
Speaker B:And Rowie wrote the book.
Speaker B:And I will give you a couple of lines from this.
Speaker B:Lights, black majesty, midnight sun.
Speaker B:I hope we can get Babe to put some like.
Speaker B:Like music or something behind us here.
Speaker B:All right, sure.
Speaker B:Lord of the wild and living stars.
Speaker B:Soul of magic and master of death, Panther of night, enfold me.
Speaker B:Take me, dark shining one.
Speaker B:Mingle my being with you.
Speaker B:Prowl in my spirit with deep purring joy.
Speaker B:Live in me, Giver of terror and ecstasy.
Speaker B:Touch me with tongues of black fire.
Speaker B:So that was the poem that accompanied Black Panther and.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So back to the newspaper article.
Speaker B:A copy of the book was shown to the Progressive Housewives Association Vice President, Mrs.
Speaker B:D.
Speaker B:Woodward, and she asked, how much is the book?
Speaker B:Eight guineas, she was told.
Speaker B:Thank heaven, said Mrs.
Speaker B:Woodward, the price will keep it out of harm's way.
Speaker B:After Mrs.
Speaker B:Woodward had spoken, studied the book, she said it was the most shocking thing she had ever seen.
Speaker B:These drawings could ruin any home they went into.
Speaker B:Mrs.
Speaker B:Woodward added, I think the woman who drew them is demented, is maligning men.
Speaker B:Although the edition is limited and the price is so high, there is still a danger that copies will find their way into the libraries.
Speaker B:September 7, the Sydney sun published they Wanted to Bind it in Batskin, Witches, Demons on Rampage and Weird Sydney Sex Book.
Speaker B:The artist originally proposed to bind the work in Batskin.
Speaker B:The idea was dropped when the artist realized a number of bats that would have to be killed to make covers for her work.
Speaker B:And then they go to.
Speaker B:Rosalie Norton, sitting cross legged on a couch in her king's crossroom, sipping sherry and smoking cigarettes, disagreed with critics.
Speaker B:She denied her drawings contained any sexuality and rifled through the pages of the book until she came to the Black Magic plate.
Speaker B:She explained that the woman and the panther were merely two aspects of self, the personal and impersonal.
Speaker B:For those who preferred conscious and unconscious, the imagery she had used was associated with the medieval cult of the witches Sabbath.
Speaker B:Ms.
Speaker B:Norton also said that the half woman, half man figures and other drawings represented the duality of self existence existing in all of the personality.
Speaker B:Ms.
Speaker B:Norton turned the pages of the book until she came to the last plate, which shows several faces, a dove, the head of a goat, a serpent, a teapot, two cats and a crown.
Speaker B:The Sunday asked what it meant.
Speaker B:Ms.
Speaker B:Norton puffed a cigarette and smiled in fond and serene memory.
Speaker B:Oh, those.
Speaker B:Those are my familiars.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:The crown was represented by Mr.
Speaker B:DJ Vinehall and DJ Vineha.
Speaker B:Sounds like a DJ's name, Wally.
Speaker B:Yes, it does.
Speaker B:Huawei's lawyer was Jack W.
Speaker B:Shand, and his legal expenses were being paid by a newspaper magnet named Frank Packer, who had taken an interest in the case, which I just think is also interesting.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so like self interested money was like I think this obscenity case, I.
Speaker A:Want to like take a publishing and publishing an obscenity.
Speaker A:They're going to care about how this goes.
Speaker A:Yeah, Fascinating.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the Crown argued that the book itself provided all the evidence required for an obscenity charge.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:You can tell this is obscene by looking at it case.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And they debated the contents through February of the following year.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:Vinehal zeroed in on black magic and the panther Love.
Speaker B:The winged androgynous love.
Speaker B:Panther love.
Speaker B:Title of an XX statement, weaned androgynous figure individuation and the naked woman rising from an egg.
Speaker B:In esoteric study.
Speaker B:Rosaline testified for hours about the symbolism in her drawings.
Speaker B:But apparently when the evidence was read back to her, she had to keep correcting the deposition.
Speaker B:I'm afraid this is a mix up, she said.
Speaker B:In trying to make myself understood to the layman, I suffered from an impediment in speech.
Speaker B:Madam, said the deposition clerk.
Speaker B:In trying to take down your evidence, I've suffered from impediment in typing clerk.
Speaker A:I adore that.
Speaker A:Gold star, ma' am.
Speaker A:Gold star.
Speaker B:Ah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B: hour,: Speaker B:Norton was describing a plate showing a black panther embracing a female figure with witches in the background, with which Ms.
Speaker B:Norton described in part as meaning a potential new conscious poet.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:Vinehal tried to say something and the judge interrupted.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:Vinehal seems to be getting a bit annoyed with you, Ms.
Speaker B:Norton.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:Vineha.
Speaker B:I want to know which is the new consciousness, Ms.
Speaker B:Norton.
Speaker B:It's the egg.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The judge.
Speaker B:It might even be the atom bomb.
Speaker B:Ms.
Speaker B:Norton said a plate showing unusual symbols and figures was a dream world.
Speaker B:You said Dream World and Ms.
Speaker B:Norton.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Although I thought you may have said nightmare.
Speaker B:It could mean a nightmare too.
Speaker B:Then Mr.
Speaker B:Vinehal examined Ms.
Speaker B:Norton.
Speaker B:Ms.
Speaker B:Norton said that a plate showing a phallic cross was a jeer at established religion in the days of witchcraft, was but not meant to be a jeer at the religion of the present day.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:Vineho argued that nobody could understand the meaning of the drawings without Ms.
Speaker B:Norton being present to describe them.
Speaker B:And the publisher couldn't sell Ms.
Speaker B:Norton with every copy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So in the end, Magistrate Sewing find Wally Glover five pounds plus cost, and ruled that two of the drawings in the book Faux Hat, the one with the snake, dick and the adversary, were obscene and an offense to chastity and delicacy.
Speaker B:Which is a weird thing to be concerned about.
Speaker B:Delicacy.
Speaker B:The drawings Mr.
Speaker B:Soming found to be obscene comprised a male figure with a serpent on its head and a male figure with a ghost goat's head surrounded by a serpent, broken egg and swastika.
Speaker B:This is post World War II, which Ms.
Speaker B:Norton had said was an evidence represented the creative forest fertility and elementary force.
Speaker B:Existing copies were to have the pages blacked out.
Speaker B:The lawyer for the defense said an appeal would be lodged.
Speaker B:Rosaleen wrote a poem to express her feelings.
Speaker B:And I want to share some of that with you once again.
Speaker B:We'll get a Brongos back.
Speaker B:It is called Odium Psychopathologicum.
Speaker B:Behold, my friends, the empty space that doth this volume thus disgrace the drawing that should fill its place hath vanished, banned and banished.
Speaker B:O puritanic harpies, rage thy breed alone doth this disgrace that mirrored saw its own foul face with mind as empty as yon's face, whose culture, O enlightened age, is even as a missing page enraged Caliban, whose knowledge is to thy perdition limited as this addition sniffing art in art's expression Secrets of thine own repression Howl thy malice ban yet know, O ape of little sense.
Speaker B:Honoi suite qui mal y ponce.
Speaker B:God damn it.
Speaker B:I looked up all that in French, but I think it translates to be that as it may.
Speaker B:But it's something that she had to represent.
Speaker B:So that was the poem that she wrote.
Speaker B:I think she wanted to be put where the pages were like blacked out.
Speaker B:And this is my rage, my rage.
Speaker A:At the blacked out page.
Speaker B:Oh, Puritanic harpies.
Speaker B:Puritanic Harpies.
Speaker B:Also my next band name.
Speaker B:So the book was attracting publicity.
Speaker B:Rowie was getting commissions.
Speaker B:But copies of the book that had been sent to New York or confiscated by U.S.
Speaker B:customs at the border and burnt at the port.
Speaker B:I couldn't find this talked about in US papers.
Speaker B: I did see seized in the years: Speaker B:Tamales, gems, French novels, quote, unquote, red magazines, Soviet tangos, opium, nickel, guns, smuggled cattle, Canadian meat, ammunition, marijuana with an H, birds, nylon blouses, currency, a yacht and heroin.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But since the book had been burnt in the US and then declared obscene there, nobody could then bring the book legally back into Australia.
Speaker B:So now it makes it illegal to import it into that.
Speaker B:But according to the Sydney sun and Sydney Occasional copies of the book can be bought clandestinely and at the conspiratorial price of about £4.
Speaker B:In any other state, one can buy it quite openly at the legal price of about £8 pounds.
Speaker B: But sadly, by: Speaker B:Copyright to the artworks in the book, which had been assigned to him through the earlier contract, was passed to the official receiver in bankruptcy.
Speaker B:So the book binder, Almond Cross, was encouraged by Wally because he wasn't making any money to buying to sell as many of those lithographic sheets as possible.
Speaker B:And he also said that his wife could have one of Rosalind's original, original drawings as compensation.
Speaker B:His wife selected Faux Hat because Alan Cross had a snake tattooed around his body.
Speaker B:And she said that faux hat's phallus was just like his tattoo.
Speaker B:I love her.
Speaker A:Oh, yes.
Speaker B:The Bible binding family dude like his cup.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:A big old ass snake tattoo.
Speaker B:So while I had intended thousand copies to be printed, 650 to be bound in cloth for an ordinary edition and 350 in leather for deluxe edition.
Speaker B:With the first 20 to be have a color artwork by Norton.
Speaker B:Only a small number, probably less than 20, were issued in leather because they realized that was off expensive and they couldn't do that.
Speaker B:And so it was also certain that fewer than the intended 650 copies were bound.
Speaker B:The exact number distributed is unknown.
Speaker B:There are copies numbered up to 505 that are known to exist.
Speaker B: But in: Speaker B:And it wasn't in great shape.
Speaker B:Like it was unnumbered.
Speaker B:It was stained and it had some binding and stuff.
Speaker B:So I am.
Speaker B:But I still.
Speaker B:It's worth.
Speaker B:But even just the reprints, it reprinted it in the 70s.
Speaker B:Those cost about 500 each.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So it means the thing.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And she remains the only Australian artist to have her work destroyed by an order of the courts.
Speaker A:Wild.
Speaker B:Witchiness.
Speaker B:Witchiness.
Speaker B:So as we go back to our other witch who's very angry because she had an agreement.
Speaker B:Giant.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he swears that he's sticking to the agreement.
Speaker A:But she's going to decrypt this book.
Speaker A:Then they're going to find the cure for Dean.
Speaker A:And then he'll burn this book and kill Crowley.
Speaker A:You don't want her to have it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, which I think makes sense.
Speaker B:Like, you get this.
Speaker B:You can only use.
Speaker B:But I mean, come on, Sam.
Speaker B:But you can only use this book to do this one spell.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker B:That's gonna work out well.
Speaker A:It's not gonna go well.
Speaker A:But her hair is really good in this scene.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That is my last line about her.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he's like, if you want to get out, you need to work.
Speaker B:And then she calls him a big bam pot.
Speaker B:Which is a Scottish pejorative for an idiot, but yeah.
Speaker B:And then her hair looks amazing and she feels about her cheeks so good.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So do we have some people to talk about?
Speaker A:Casting couch.
Speaker A:It's the casting couch.
Speaker A:Weren't they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker A:So, our lore this week.
Speaker A:I'll start off with Susie, played by Brenda Baki.
Speaker A:And she has been in episodes of Star Trek the Next Generation.
Speaker A:The Father Dowling Mysteries, Adventures of Brisco County Senior Junior.
Speaker A:Excuse me.
Speaker A:Anyways, Charm, csi, NYPD Blue, Dollhouse, the Mentalist and Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker A:She was also Michelle in Hot Shots, Part Dew.
Speaker A:And you get reminded of those movies, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:And Cordelia in Demon Night.
Speaker A:Oh, that was so good.
Speaker A:And was Lana Turner in LA Confidential.
Speaker A:Her dad was played by Michael Soltis.
Speaker A:He has been in episodes of Stargate, SG1, Smallville, Once Upon a Time, Fringe, and iZombie.
Speaker A:He was an.
Speaker A:An agent in a warehouse.
Speaker A:Agent in X2 that one of X movies.
Speaker A:And a maintenance worker in Walking Tall.
Speaker A:Mom was played by Jen Bird.
Speaker A:She's actually done a lot of motion capture work for Barbie Animation.
Speaker A:Random and interesting.
Speaker A:That's most of her.
Speaker A:Oh, most of her credits actually.
Speaker A:But she's been in episodes of Bates Motel and Resident Alien as well.
Speaker A:Brad, the brother, was played by Mateo Stefan, and he's been episodes of Fringe, iZombie and Riverdale.
Speaker A:He was also Biff in the Diary of a Wimpy Kid Movie.
Speaker A:And young Susie was played by Erica.
Speaker B:Shane Gare with amazing braids.
Speaker B:Oh my God, those braids were so good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she's been in episodes of Battlestar Galactica.
Speaker A:She was Cassie in the movie rv.
Speaker A:She was Rowan in the movie Wicker man.
Speaker A:And she does voice work for a children's cartoon called Dinosaur Train.
Speaker A:She's done hundreds of episodes of that.
Speaker A:Markham was the name of our leader of the Men of Letters meeting that expelled Magnus.
Speaker A:And he was played by Ben Korns.
Speaker A:And he's been episodes of General Hospital in Riverdale.
Speaker A:And he was a captain in 50 shades.
Speaker A:Freedom.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:One of the 50.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I was just having thoughts about like how good the.
Speaker B:The minute letters do look because they're all in like their 40s attire and it's just like.
Speaker B:It's so clean and it's so just.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:It's such a good era for menswear and just like good haircut time.
Speaker B:Like good.
Speaker B:Like it was a good haircut era.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then you went to 50 Shades free.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So, okay, so you're looking for the crossover.
Speaker A:We get a Men of Letter.
Speaker B:I think we're about to be wanting to rub my crotch on stuff.
Speaker B:But so, so depressing.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I mean, but intense.
Speaker A:It was just very dark.
Speaker A:It was intense and dark.
Speaker A:You know, I think like turning to like whatever self doubt or people.
Speaker A:Things people have, like having a manifestation of your loved ones telling you to end your life is dark.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know how else to end.
Speaker B:Like, there's.
Speaker B:I think there's a Buffy episode that was like that, and it's.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:I mean, it's a.
Speaker B:A part of the human psyche that is just, you know, I mean, I know it's something we need to talk about, but also, I don't want.
Speaker B:If I don't want my loved ones standing around telling me like, you know, that's some fucking trauma there, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Loved ones telling you all these bad things about you.
Speaker B:If your loved ones are doing that, they're not probably your loved ones.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker B:Because probably a pretty good sign that there may be a figment of your.
Speaker B:They may be a bot.
Speaker A:It might be a bot.
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker B:Or that's how I'm solving.
Speaker A:Some kind of.
Speaker B:All depression is solved by a bot.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker B:That's just where I'm going.
Speaker A:The boy, the voice in my head is a bot.
Speaker A:It's a bot.
Speaker B:Oh, the simulation.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, guys.
Speaker B:We've proved the simulation is real.
Speaker A:There it is.
Speaker B:At least the boss.
Speaker B:All right, now that we're emotionally drained, anything else?
Speaker A:No, that's all I got.
Speaker B:All right, so, you know, thanks, you guys for hanging in on this episode.
Speaker B:Hopefully we made it entertaining as we were going through the intenseness, but.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Cheers, jerk.
Speaker A:Cheers, bitch.
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