11:02 Form and Void
We discuss the "Form and Void" that came out of the Darkness' fart this week on Season 11, Episode 2. We dive deep into whether or not Sam should have set himself on fire, and we get to meet Billie!
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:Are you unclean in the biblical sense?
Speaker A:Do you now have sick tribal veins?
Speaker B:Come on down and we'll help you get those removed.
Speaker B:Pudding now accepted as currency.
Speaker A:Don't forget to stop by this weekend for our artisanal holy oil workshop.
Speaker A:Remember, no Tupperware.
Speaker A:Glass bottles only.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:And I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And we're on season 11, episode two, form and void.
Speaker A:The void.
Speaker A:The sweet, sweet void.
Speaker B:Yeah, I did actually.
Speaker A:I made a.
Speaker A:I made a box.
Speaker A:I made the void for this event thing that I had so in case people just wanted to put their face into it and scream.
Speaker A:So I got a black box and I cut out the top, and then I lined the sides of it with cork wrapped in fabric so it absorbs sound.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then I printed out a label that says the void.
Speaker A:So now I just have this thing that you can stick your head into and scream.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:What you think is appropriate.
Speaker A:Sometimes you just need to scream into the void.
Speaker B:It happens.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Goodness.
Speaker B:Well, so what are we.
Speaker B:What are we up to?
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:What are we up to?
Speaker B:Leading into.
Speaker A:So I was waiting to see what the transition.
Speaker A:Who was transitioning where?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:We'll pick one.
Speaker A:I'll take it.
Speaker A:Well, it.
Speaker A:The summer solstice just happened, which means we are one day closer to Halloween.
Speaker A:So that's good.
Speaker A:And in honor of that, or just because they were offering it and I didn't have anything else to do.
Speaker B:Do.
Speaker A:I did go to a broom making class, and it was taught by a woman who'd, like.
Speaker A:She's been, like, done, like, all the traditional Appalachian broom making classes, and she teaches at utsa, and it was a lot of fun.
Speaker A:It involves, like, using your feet with, like, you get, like, the stick and you wrap string around it like nylon cord, and then you, like, you can hold it, like, with whatever, but most people do it, like, with.
Speaker A:With their feet because it's a hillbilly thing, I guess.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And then you use that to create tension on your.
Speaker A:On your cord as you're wrapping it around the broom straw.
Speaker B:So did you have to take your shoes off?
Speaker A:Yeah, so I had to take my shoes off.
Speaker A:And then because I'm me, I accidentally, like, let go of the string and the stick at the same time.
Speaker A:And then the stick flew across the room, and everyone's like, oh.
Speaker A:And I'm like, yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's what I do.
Speaker A:And then somehow I messed up the cording in some way that she was like, I've never seen anybody do something this wrong.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But then it was cute.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, I made a broom that was pretty.
Speaker A:It felt like an accomplishment, like, to.
Speaker A:To take some straw and turn into an action.
Speaker A:I mean, you couldn't actually clean with it.
Speaker B:It's more of a decorative broom.
Speaker B:Symbolic broom.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I put a hook on it so you can hang on the wall so that.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's what I did.
Speaker A:What have you been up to?
Speaker B:I feel like a lot and nothing.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:There's everything from Branson and dog drama to migraines and cowboy bars.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's been a.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:I feel like it's been a lifetime.
Speaker B:So we'll just skate on by.
Speaker B:It's summer.
Speaker A:And speaking of summer.
Speaker A:Right when we're about to release.
Speaker A:So the day this comes out, Jensen Ackles new show Countdown, will come out.
Speaker A:So he's been doing a lot of press, and he still looks ridiculously, like, handsome on Go Watch.
Speaker A:The Jimmy Fallon interview was really.
Speaker A:He was really funny in it, but his hair is perfect.
Speaker A:Like, it looks like somebody goes to his beard with, like, a ruler and goes, like, your scruff is going to be this exact, like, size.
Speaker A:It's just perfect.
Speaker A:He looks like a perfect man.
Speaker A:And maybe he's not real.
Speaker A:Is Jensen Ackles a robot?
Speaker A:I'm gonna start that rumor.
Speaker A:Jensen Ackles is a robot.
Speaker A:Is it so.
Speaker A:But he's, you know, talked a lot about the reunion between him and Padalecki and.
Speaker A:And Cass.
Speaker B:Misha.
Speaker A:Misha.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:And that was really great.
Speaker A:And of course, they asked if the, you know, a reboot was gonna happen.
Speaker A:And of course, they left the door open still, so.
Speaker B:But he talked really positively about the fandom.
Speaker B:I thought that was really cool.
Speaker A:Yeah, he really.
Speaker A:He talked about the fandom and the cons, and Jimmy Fallon seemed to be like, what.
Speaker A:What is like, ha.
Speaker A:And I do not understand what that thing is.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But yeah, Ackles was just talking about how great the fandom is and.
Speaker A:Which is always.
Speaker A:And he's talking about us, so.
Speaker A:You're welcome, sir.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, that's us.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Then he literally was about to drop our name.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:He was like, yeah, there's this.
Speaker A:There's this podcast called Devil Strap Podcast.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, by the way, even no matter how like a church this introduction was.
Speaker A:It was great.
Speaker A:You should go on to all of your things, like your Spotify and your YouTubes and give us, like, all the stars and ratings because some of y' all have been slacking and some of you were mean.
Speaker A:And so we only went.
Speaker A:The nice people, like, go out and, like, it takes you like a second and please.
Speaker A:It'll make.
Speaker A:Make us happy.
Speaker A:So please do that.
Speaker A:All right, so now that I have given you instructions and scolded you.
Speaker A:So this.
Speaker A:They like it.
Speaker A:Everyone likes being scolded a little bit.
Speaker A:So form and void.
Speaker A:This, according to the Wiki, is a reference to Genesis 1, 2.
Speaker A:So the very, very beginning of.
Speaker A:Of the Bible.
Speaker A:The King James Bible, and that on the state of nature before creation says, and the earth was without form and VO.
Speaker A:And darkness was upon the face of the deep.
Speaker A:Which really does sound quite like a metal lyric.
Speaker B:It really does.
Speaker A:Darkness was upon the face of the deep.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I feel it.
Speaker A:The darkness is so metal.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A: Did the season ender: Speaker A:It was written by Andrew Dab, who ended season on the 22nd episode on the Prisoner, which was a bummer.
Speaker A:So let's talk about this one and whether or not this one is as much of a bummer as that was.
Speaker A:Okay, so we're gonna start with this pan down our street, and there's a sign for the Superior Harvest Festival.
Speaker A:And I have been re watching Parks and Recreation, so it's like, that's not this.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:Like the Harvest Festival is what Pawnee does.
Speaker A:Like, it's Little Sebastian coming to your harvest festival.
Speaker B:So, no, no, Little Sebastian was not at this harvest.
Speaker A:Little Sebastian was.
Speaker A:Was not at this festival.
Speaker A:Instead, there was a disheveled man.
Speaker A:Old One shoe as he shall become.
Speaker A:New come home.
Speaker A:I'm glad that is both what we both decided his name was for this episode.
Speaker A:So Mr.
Speaker A:One Shoe is walking down the street.
Speaker B:He is.
Speaker B:And we also.
Speaker B:So we see him shuffling down the street, but we also see somebody in a hardware store gathering supplies.
Speaker A:Or maybe they're just trying to have some bondage fun.
Speaker B:Or that.
Speaker B:And we start noticing as our One Shoe dude is shuffling down the street that there's a lot of bodies on the street.
Speaker A:Bodies everywhere.
Speaker A:Bodies.
Speaker A:Cars.
Speaker A:Just like.
Speaker A:And they're all veiny, too, right?
Speaker A:They all have the six tribal disease.
Speaker B:They do.
Speaker B:And then we hear a loudspeaker of a sermon and it is a phone inside of a bucket that is chained to a chair.
Speaker B:And this is pretty smart.
Speaker B:I think it's pretty.
Speaker A:I actually think it's a western and not western.
Speaker A:I think that's, like, when you do.
Speaker A:When they zoom into it.
Speaker A:I think he was playing an old western, but did not look what to see what Sam had put on there.
Speaker A:And so we find out that this is Sam's Wile E.
Speaker A:Coyote plot to capture.
Speaker A:To capture the veiny people and capture.
Speaker B:The one shoed man.
Speaker A:Specifically the capture one shoe.
Speaker A:And he wants to know if he can talk or if he's gone too far.
Speaker A:And then he takes his electrocution stick, which I approve of.
Speaker A:Taser on a stick, whatever we want to call this.
Speaker A:I like this.
Speaker A:That keeps you far away.
Speaker A:Like, I may or may not have a.
Speaker A:A stunning, like, thing that is in my.
Speaker A:In my personage at some times.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But the thing about those is you can get close.
Speaker A:You got to get close.
Speaker A:And if I can put you on a stick and just be like.
Speaker A:Like, it's kind of like a cattle prop.
Speaker B:But I called it.
Speaker B:I called it a homemade cattle prod.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's what I called it.
Speaker B:And that's like.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker B:That's the.
Speaker B:The challenge with the stun gun.
Speaker B:That's why tasers are different, because they shoot out the little pew things.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But the stun gun's different because you have to be up on a.
Speaker B:To use that, and sometimes you just don't want to be close to the person you have to stun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But so we cut immediately from that scene to Cedar Rapids, Iowa, where Dean and Jenna and baby Amara have arrived at grandma's house, where Jenna feels safe.
Speaker B:And he's.
Speaker B:Dean's, like, cool leaving you here.
Speaker B:Bye.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Jenna's, like, childhood just sounds, like, idyllic.
Speaker A:And it's just this whole, like, area.
Speaker A:Like, she is as sweet as apple pie is what this all sounds like.
Speaker A:It's just, you know, but although she had, like, a little raciness.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But still, everything here is, like, cleaver house.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And grandma is unconcerned about whatever the Going on in Superior, whatever storm is what the news is saying, because she's got a generator and canned green beans that'll last until judgment day.
Speaker A:Go, Grandma.
Speaker A:You should always have your survival goods prepped.
Speaker A:I am very proud of you, grandma.
Speaker A:Good job.
Speaker B:But she tells Jenna the Jenna looks like poop on parade title of my next album.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But grandma is just gonna take the Little angel and put her down to.
Speaker A:In a crib.
Speaker A:And she's just super nice.
Speaker B:She's very nice.
Speaker B:And freaking Jenna's gonna get a nap.
Speaker B:But apparently we learned that baby Amara has telekinesis in the scene.
Speaker A:Or she's a cat.
Speaker A:He's just knocking off this thing.
Speaker A:I don't want this on the shelf.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So then we go back to first.
Speaker A:Sam is trying to cure his varicose veins with ibuprofen.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's got a headache.
Speaker B:Apparently.
Speaker B:Apparently those ve veins cause headaches.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, it seem.
Speaker A:They do seem like they're tensing.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:I mean, you got.
Speaker A:You've got to feel pretty strange there.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess.
Speaker B:And so he's back at the hospital is what it looks like.
Speaker B:And he's got one shoe guy handcuffed.
Speaker B:Who's.
Speaker B:This guy's awake now.
Speaker B:And Dean, or Sorry, Sam asks his name and he won't answer.
Speaker B:He's like, bite me.
Speaker B:And the guy, he's like.
Speaker B:Sam's trying to like, gather info.
Speaker B:He wants to know how long this guy's been infected.
Speaker B:And this guy just does not want to play.
Speaker B:He just talks shit about how they can smell their own.
Speaker B:And he's not talking until he gets something that he wants.
Speaker B:But what does he want, Liz?
Speaker A:Pudding.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So as an all things supernatural, all things can be traded and bartered with in pudding.
Speaker A:And I think, you know, when the next time our dollar fails, I will take this up as our new currency.
Speaker A:And there are different flavors.
Speaker A:There's so many ways we can go with this.
Speaker A:I am on Team Pudding.
Speaker A:Currency.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Currency.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But basically he's just like, I don't believe, like.
Speaker A:And he starts.
Speaker A:He's figured some out, like, very fast.
Speaker A:One Shoe man has learned a lot.
Speaker B:Because shuffling down the street with one.
Speaker A:Shoe for one shoe and was infected this morning.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So he has learned that some people go really fast, some people really go slow, but everyone goes psycho.
Speaker A:Oh, and then.
Speaker B:Or they go boom.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But then a base starts thumping because.
Speaker A:Okay, so.
Speaker A:And then they go boom.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But Sam is just convinced that he was going to fix it.
Speaker B:Yeah, but he's this guy.
Speaker B:I think this guy just can't handle having hope is part of the problem.
Speaker B:So he doesn't believe it.
Speaker B:And so he suggests that Sam should kill him and then kill himself.
Speaker B:That's the best thing I could do.
Speaker B:That's bleak.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's a very, very upsetting conversation with one shoe.
Speaker A:So then we cut from that to baby, just Hauling ass down a highway.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean is trying to call Cassiel, but the angels that have Cassiel strung up are.
Speaker B:Smash his phone.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he can't pick up because he's being tortured by those Wall street rejects.
Speaker A:And then so we learned that their names are Efren and Jonah.
Speaker A:And Jonah slaps Cass and it is the weakest slap I have ever seen.
Speaker A:Like, that baby Amara could slap harder than that was.
Speaker A:It was just like.
Speaker A:And Cass is like, oh.
Speaker B:It'S hilarious.
Speaker B:He's like, I'm cursed.
Speaker B:Well, back in Des Moines.
Speaker B:Or Cedar Rapids.
Speaker B:Sorry, wrong Iowa town.
Speaker B:Cedar Rapids.
Speaker B:At Jenna's grandma's, she hears a noise.
Speaker B:And her and grandma both meet up in the hall because they both hear it and they think it might be a raccoon.
Speaker B:Guess what?
Speaker B:It's not a raccoon.
Speaker B:Apparently, baby Amara is.
Speaker B:Has discovered that she can telekinetically throw letter blocks into the wall to sell to send a message.
Speaker B:And has says, feed me on the wall.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Terrifying.
Speaker A:What would you do?
Speaker B:I would probably.
Speaker B:I'd be close to grandma.
Speaker B:She's in the Sign of the Cross and calling the priest.
Speaker B:I'd be like, what the fuck?
Speaker A:And then, yeah, so grandma is immediately.
Speaker A:That's her answer.
Speaker A:And she's like, we're calling.
Speaker A:We're calling Father.
Speaker A:And Jenna is like, no.
Speaker A:And then we get a fun little.
Speaker A:Who are you going to call?
Speaker A:Ghostbusters is how Dean answers the phone.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, he busts a big old U turn in the rain to turn around, turn back to that, go to the house call and check on Jenna and grandma and the baby.
Speaker B:While he's on his way, he does call Sam and they make exorcist comments like you do.
Speaker B:And then Sam's really kind of thinks that he's going to be fine.
Speaker B:He just insists he's gonna be fine as he's continuing to research some hoodoo.
Speaker A:Yeah, but no, first off, like one we learned that Dean has called it and a crazy infected fart, which I do appreciate as a description of what happened.
Speaker A:And to Sam, this is also gonna tell.
Speaker A:But is besides just to be the general I lie about how bad I'm doing is doing poorly.
Speaker A:Because why the is Sam looking up a definition of hoodoo?
Speaker A:Samuel Winchester knows what the hoodoo is like.
Speaker A:He's known.
Speaker A:How about who wasn't.
Speaker A:He was five years old.
Speaker A:So what the.
Speaker A:What is happening here?
Speaker A:So that was one thing.
Speaker A:It was like, okay, this is like maybe Sam just.
Speaker A:Just going downhill.
Speaker A:Like he don't even know I Just.
Speaker B:Think it was like a bad.
Speaker B:Like a faux pas on somebody else's part, putting that screen up.
Speaker B:I didn't read that.
Speaker A:You're blaming the set people.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:All right, So, I mean, just.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna be offended by people going to terrible sites.
Speaker A:So I also have a gnat infestation, so Diana gets to watch me.
Speaker A:Like, it look like I am grabbing ghosts because there's, like, a gnat that keeps flying around my face that I'm trying to catch.
Speaker B:You do look slightly insane.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know.
Speaker A:It's really.
Speaker A:It's pretty great.
Speaker A:At least I turned off the AI tracking, so.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:Where the camera follows you around every time you move.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay, so we've got Sam telling Dean to help Jenna and just to call him if, you know, he needs anything.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And Castiel is begging Ephraim and Jonah for mercy.
Speaker A:And who is literally stabbing him with.
Speaker A:With an angel blade.
Speaker A:But he's not dying.
Speaker A:But, like, not missing his heart.
Speaker A:Like, apparently now, like, in canon, you've got to, like, get him in the heart.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's real weird.
Speaker B:And they're bulk.
Speaker B:They balk when he.
Speaker B:They're wanting info on Metatron.
Speaker B:And they balk when Cass calls them brothers because they insist that he chooses the Winchesters over heaven.
Speaker B:So he's not their brother.
Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker B:And so they keep torturing him as Sam hears singing in the hospital corridors.
Speaker A:And it's ethereal.
Speaker A:And it is the fur.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:Oh, Death.
Speaker A:Which is what we heard the first time that we met Death.
Speaker A:And it's just so good.
Speaker A:Like, just the.
Speaker A:The tone of it is just amazing.
Speaker B:It's beautiful.
Speaker B:And he sees a woman crouched by some of the bodies in the hall.
Speaker B:And she greets him and says that she knows Winchester's and they've been good for business.
Speaker B:And it's basically said that she's a reaper.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:Sam tries to apologize about death and.
Speaker A:Sorry I killed Death.
Speaker A:Oops.
Speaker B:And she's like, yeah, yeah, whatever.
Speaker B:I've got work to do and souls to collect.
Speaker B:Here's the message for you.
Speaker B:It's over.
Speaker B:You and Dean.
Speaker B:You're dying and coming back.
Speaker B:Shit.
Speaker B:Done.
Speaker B:So we're not playing that anymore.
Speaker B:The old Death was amused by you.
Speaker B:But no, Next time, not no heaven, no hell.
Speaker B:Do not pass go.
Speaker B:Do not collect 200.
Speaker B:You're being tossed into the Empty.
Speaker A:The empty.
Speaker A:The Empty.
Speaker B:And nothing comes back from that.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she is automatically throwing down some major.
Speaker A:And also, we.
Speaker A:I just think it's Hilarious that Death thought them coming.
Speaker A:Coming back to life.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, that's cute.
Speaker B:Of course he did.
Speaker B:We like.
Speaker B:Because we like to eat nachos and see what happened.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He was our friend.
Speaker A:So Dean, like, killed him with the scythe.
Speaker A:You, Dean.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So if I was, as we learned, Billy, I would also be pissed that you killed my boss slash Death friend.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:Then she hits him even more.
Speaker B:She can feel that he's dying and that he's unclean in the biblical sense.
Speaker A:Which we're gonna get back to later.
Speaker A:But that phrase is a very heavy phrase and just.
Speaker A:Just sounds like he has gonorrhea.
Speaker B:That sounds so dirty.
Speaker A:It sounds like.
Speaker A:And so we'll come back to this.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna put in that because I know I could rant about it for a while, so.
Speaker A:But she's gonna see him soon.
Speaker A:And that's where she introduces herself as Billy.
Speaker A:So we have now met Billy.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then we go back to Torture Town.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because Cass is like, I don't know where Meta is.
Speaker B:He me over too.
Speaker B:And they don't blame him.
Speaker A:Well, I was just like, are you stupid?
Speaker A:And then kind of like, oh, like.
Speaker B:Are you stupid or lying?
Speaker B:He's kind of dumb.
Speaker B:It was kind of stupid.
Speaker B:And they're just really excited about cutting something off.
Speaker B:But then we hear the metal door crunches and Hannah, dude, Hannah comes through the door and tells Ephraim, this is not how we do things.
Speaker B:And they're gonna have, like, a little, like.
Speaker B:She kicks them out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But, I mean, she chides him for torturing.
Speaker A:And she's just like.
Speaker A:Like, thanks him.
Speaker A:But then she's like, look, something horrible has happened.
Speaker A:But then we cut from there back to the hospital where Sam is like, oh, my sick tribal brand.
Speaker A:Maybe I should have gone with something more traditional.
Speaker A:And then, like, he all of a sudden on the hospital sign, he, like.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He's like, I'm gonna read this.
Speaker A:And he, like, reads through all the options of the places that he'd go in the hospital.
Speaker A:And he's like, a chapel.
Speaker B:That's somewhere I haven't gone.
Speaker B:Maybe I should go check it out.
Speaker B:So he goes to the chapel and he starts, for lack of a better word, praying.
Speaker B:Because he's just talking.
Speaker A:He's doing.
Speaker A:He is praying.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:In the same Winchester.
Speaker A:Winchester way it is.
Speaker B:It's a narrative prayer and talking about how he's.
Speaker B:There's been through a lot of bad, but this is different.
Speaker B:And it's his fault.
Speaker B:That he doesn't know how to fix.
Speaker B:But Dean deserves better.
Speaker B:And good people are going to suffer because of me.
Speaker B:So I need your help.
Speaker B:And I need to know there's hope.
Speaker B:And I need a sign.
Speaker A:So he's asking for a lot.
Speaker A:I mean, and he is blaming himself, like he should, because this is literally his fault.
Speaker A:Literally is your fault, Sam.
Speaker A:Like, you just went.
Speaker A:I'm going to release this in order to get this mark off of Dean.
Speaker A:Check.
Speaker A:My name is Sam Winchester.
Speaker A:I did this.
Speaker A:Please, like, help me, because I need something.
Speaker A:And also I need a sign, please, which is like, no matter, like, how spiritual you are, like, what the fuck?
Speaker A:You're asking for a lot, right?
Speaker A:So he likes an.
Speaker A:Oh, nothing's happening.
Speaker A:So he walks out.
Speaker B:But then in the hallway he starts.
Speaker A:Which I just caught, like, corpse hall because there's just, like, corpses everywhere.
Speaker A:Can you just, like, move?
Speaker A:Like, can you move them, Sam?
Speaker A:Like, why are you just walking past them?
Speaker B:Like, what do you do?
Speaker B:How long do you.
Speaker B:Do they stink?
Speaker B:Do you want to touch them?
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:There's a lot.
Speaker A:It just seems kind of disrespectful just to be leaving, like, all these dead.
Speaker B:Bodies a lot to move.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I can't stand clutter.
Speaker B:I'm either very messy.
Speaker B:Can we organize?
Speaker A:Very, very messy.
Speaker A:Can we put.
Speaker A:Can we please put our corpses in order, Mr.
Speaker A:Winchester?
Speaker A:So, but then, like, he.
Speaker A:Maybe he does get a sign because something happens.
Speaker B:Yeah, because he starts having flashbacks.
Speaker B:Being tortured in hell.
Speaker A:Oh, I thought I got over that.
Speaker B:That's unfortunate.
Speaker A:Which clearly, though, like, if you had been tortured in hell, like, we, like, no matter how much like, PR you did or, like, you would still, like, probably have flashbacks to that.
Speaker A:I just don't think that's something you get over.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know if there's a.
Speaker A:Is there.
Speaker B:I think you would be an old.
Speaker A:Man and be like, oh, man, when I was tortured in hell?
Speaker B:Yeah, that'd be a tough one.
Speaker A:Like, I remember that happened.
Speaker A:Like, I remember when that kid, like, threw my purse off the bus when I was in third grade.
Speaker A:And that comes up, like, every couple of years.
Speaker A:And that was just my purse.
Speaker A:Like, that wasn't being tortured in hell.
Speaker A:So anyhow, Sam's PTSD with.
Speaker A:With hell or something is happening.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker B:But Dean has made it to Iowa also.
Speaker A:No, the other thing.
Speaker A:Where to about this too?
Speaker A:Is just like.
Speaker A:Then he's just like, what does that mean?
Speaker A:And like, you asked for a sign.
Speaker A:Like, signs don't come out in, like, Clear writing.
Speaker A:It's like a burning bush or, like, you know, something in a tortilla.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker A:They're not instructions.
Speaker B:Piece of toast, perhaps?
Speaker A:Perhaps some toast.
Speaker A:You know, that is traditionally how signs appear.
Speaker A:They don't, like, actually have, like, open door, push, pull.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's not usually like, a written letter.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Done ranting at Sam Winchester for that bit for now.
Speaker B:All right, so back at Grandma's, Grandma's called the priest and has.
Speaker B:And they have.
Speaker B:They have an exorcist at the house.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So guess who are our.
Speaker B:Our exorcist is sipping some tea.
Speaker A:Father Crowley.
Speaker B:Father Crowley.
Speaker A:I go to his mass.
Speaker B:And he refers to Dean because they do know each other, as he says, he was a scrumptious young altar boy.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was gross, Crowley.
Speaker B:I didn't like it, but I.
Speaker A:There's some jokes that Crowley makes.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:I'm like, well, it's a little.
Speaker A:A little much, sir?
Speaker A:A little.
Speaker A:So you say that.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker A:Well, that one was gross.
Speaker A:All right, so back to torture.
Speaker A:Boom.
Speaker A:And so this is like Rohana's like, remember when we were in the shower and I wanted to do that thing.
Speaker B:Let'S talk about bondage and let's un.
Speaker B:Handcuff you?
Speaker B:Kind of, but not fully, because I'm worried about you.
Speaker B:But also, I can't heal this curse that Rowena put on.
Speaker B:On you.
Speaker B:That's not cool.
Speaker A:So Cass wants to stay in his handcuffs because you think it's safer.
Speaker A:So we're doing a lot of back and forth.
Speaker A:We go to Grandma's, and Crowley and Dean are talking about his bro and Cass.
Speaker A:And then Crowley's like, I'm working on a case.
Speaker A:Then we go back to the torture room.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Hannah's like, by the way, what do you know about what happened in Superior?
Speaker B:There were alarms going off in heaven that had never have gone off before.
Speaker B:And we don't even know what they mean.
Speaker A:They're so old.
Speaker B:Castiel's like, yeah, it's for the darkness.
Speaker B:And we see Jenna go to visit the baby at that point.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So now we're getting kind of this cool voiceover.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Because Hannah's saying, well, the Darkness is a story.
Speaker B:And Cass is like, no, it's real.
Speaker B:It's been locked away since before the dawn of creation.
Speaker B:And now it's free.
Speaker B:And Hannah's like, God help us, and cast wouldn't count on it.
Speaker B:And Jenna kisses the baby, trying to soothe baby Amara.
Speaker B:And Hannah asks, where the darkness is.
Speaker A:And she wants to know where Sam and Dean are.
Speaker A:And then all of a sudden, Cass is like, wait a minute, Hannah.
Speaker A:Are you fooling me?
Speaker B:But we've got Crowley telling Dean that he's got, you know, that he's been.
Speaker B:Got to take.
Speaker B:You know, got these calls in the past to check on these rogue demonic possessions.
Speaker B:So that's why he does this.
Speaker B:That's why he has his Father Crowley suit.
Speaker A:He's got a system, right?
Speaker A:So someone gets possessed, right?
Speaker A:And someone calls their.
Speaker A:Their local.
Speaker A:Their priests, and they're like, hey, I've got a possession.
Speaker A:So then, like, Crowley or somebody else will be like, oh, is this a real.
Speaker A:Which, I don't know, like, pretty cool.
Speaker A:If they can figure it out fast.
Speaker A:Like, is someone who, like, needs to go to the mental hospital, or is this, like, an actual demon?
Speaker A:And then if it's an actual demon, then Father Crowley shows up.
Speaker A:Which, I mean, that says that his demons, I think, are controlling themselves.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:I mean, because he's not that busy doing this.
Speaker A:So they're not possessing a lot of people.
Speaker A:So does that make them bad demons or good demons?
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker A:That's like, are they slacking?
Speaker A:Like, should they be possessing?
Speaker B:Well, he also made it sound like that the demon was not doing their job.
Speaker B:Like, if they were possessing a person without permission.
Speaker A:So maybe, like, oh, that's fine.
Speaker A:Y' all just keep doing what you do.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:That's the impression.
Speaker A:It's a rogue demon.
Speaker A:That's okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But Dean asks, is there if there is a demon in there talking about in the baby?
Speaker B:And he says, not even a little bit creepy.
Speaker B:And we get noises.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Hannah is like.
Speaker B:Anyways, Cassiel has figured out that he.
Speaker B:That Hannah is working with Ephraim and.
Speaker B:And Jonah at this point.
Speaker B:And this is a lie.
Speaker B:And so this is all orchestrated to try to get information, to manipulate Castiel, even her bursting in.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so when Ephraim comes out of the shadows, like, it doesn't matter.
Speaker A:We took a vote.
Speaker A:For some reason, this episode, and I love this, gets to this weird EDM soundtrack that starts happening.
Speaker A:And this is where, like, it starts, right?
Speaker A:This music starts picking up.
Speaker A:And Cass is just like, okay, I'm not gonna give you Sam and Dean.
Speaker A:And they're like, we've got the angel helmet.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they're gonna hack his brain.
Speaker B:Gross.
Speaker B:And back in Grandma's, Crowley is like, whatever's in that house, I can taste the power radiating.
Speaker B:That's concerning.
Speaker B:And we see Jenna approach Grandma in the kitchen because Grandma's making more tea for everybody.
Speaker B:Because of course she is.
Speaker B:And Crowley's just telling Dean outside how this power is old and dark as Jenna grabs a knife from the butcher block.
Speaker B:And then we hear Grandma scream.
Speaker A:Well, she says she always wanted to try this, which does make me wonder a little bit of.
Speaker A:Okay, so did she just have a dark side that she never explored?
Speaker A:Because would you lose your soul?
Speaker A:As we learn.
Speaker A:Because remember, we've had, say we've had lots of people without soul souls.
Speaker A:And not everybody with the soul stabs their grandma a bunch.
Speaker A:So, like, was just like this, a dark side of her that just went there.
Speaker B:She doesn't stab her a bunch.
Speaker B:She just slits her throat.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Slits her throat.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:But I mean.
Speaker B:Anyway, like, does that distinction matter?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:But yeah, I know.
Speaker B:I think it's an interesting.
Speaker B:Because, like, my impression when she first says that, like, I always wanted to try this, I was like, oh, is she possessed by something?
Speaker B:Because I don't know what that.
Speaker B:That story is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:People have hindsight on that one, so.
Speaker B:It'S a weird one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So let's see.
Speaker A:Grandma's throat split.
Speaker A:Okay, so we go down to Cass's brains getting poked.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:As.
Speaker B:As Crowley has decreed.
Speaker B:Hello, plot twist.
Speaker B:So, yeah, he's getting his head cast.
Speaker B:Is getting his head poked in that crazy brain hack halo thing.
Speaker B:And Jonah knows what to do because he watched Naomi do this once.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So totally he's got this.
Speaker B:And obviously Cassiel's yelling out in pain.
Speaker B:Hannah kind of wants to stop it.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Because she gets upset that this is causing pain.
Speaker B:And they get in a fight with Ephraim, and Cass is able to use his brain to push out the brain pins.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker A:Because Ephraim, like, starts losing his on hand.
Speaker A:And then, like, starts, like, kicking her in the ribs.
Speaker A:Like, what?
Speaker B:We don't.
Speaker A:Like, I don't even know.
Speaker A:Like, he just goes crazy.
Speaker A:And that's what makes, like, Cass goes like.
Speaker A:And he's like, my brain will get all this stuff out of my head.
Speaker B:He pushes it out and he breaks free from the chair and he kills Jonah and Ephraim kills Hannah and.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:And then Cass attacks Ephraim and kills him, too.
Speaker B:Very sad.
Speaker B:And then Cass looks around and he's very sad because he didn't want to kill anybody.
Speaker B:But because they attacked Hannah, he broke free and he had to kill.
Speaker B:And then everybody.
Speaker B:Everybody's dead.
Speaker A:But no angel wings.
Speaker B:That's weird.
Speaker A:Why are there any angel wings?
Speaker A:Why, sometimes they're angel Wings and sometimes there are angel wings.
Speaker A:I just want to know.
Speaker A:And I'm sure there is a candid reason that I just don't understand and some nerd will tell me.
Speaker A:But anyway, so we've got the dead angels and then the EDM starts again.
Speaker A:So unsoon sense is starting and we cut to Sam and his veiny problem.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And he is getting dizzy and dropping things and he's having flashbacks to Billy's comment.
Speaker B:Or Billy.
Speaker B:Yes, Billy's comment.
Speaker B:I wrote something weird I knew about his cleanliness.
Speaker B:So he googles it about Bible pure biblical purification.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So he goes to web7 and he looks at Bible purification and first off he spells that remarkably well, all things considered, right?
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like he can barely see straight.
Speaker A:I literally misspelled Bible purification every time.
Speaker A:Like I wrote it in this art in this Google Doc and had to have Google tell me, you dumbass, that's not how you spell purification.
Speaker A:But I didn't care because computer would do it.
Speaker A:So somehow he spells that well.
Speaker A:And he gets the following search results.
Speaker A:He gets purification of the soul from talking Bible newsletter.
Speaker A:There's a Gospel of Mark Bible search.
Speaker A:There's a pre.
Speaker A:That's a preacher sermon.
Speaker A:There is something about Bible pur.
Speaker A:Verses.
Speaker A:Then he reads a paragraph about Leviticus and the rights of purification.
Speaker A:Then he reads Mark 9:4:9 and there's a highlighted sentence that says everyone will be purified by fire as a sacrifice is purified by salt.
Speaker A:Then he sees a highlight for holy oil, which is really just the Google Ad I bought for artisanal oil.
Speaker A:So he digs through his bag and he gets his jug of oil out and I'm like, do you have to keep it in that jug?
Speaker A:Because that's huge and a little fragile.
Speaker B:It seems very in inefficient to swallow.
Speaker A:Like it's a big ass jug.
Speaker A:Like you could just put some whole leg in like a s.
Speaker A:Like maybe like you just a Tupperware glass, you know, Tupperware.
Speaker A:And then like he basically he gets some gauze, right?
Speaker A:And it looks like he's like roasting a marshmallow.
Speaker B:It does.
Speaker A:And he like lights it on fire.
Speaker A:And then he just said set his neck on fire.
Speaker A:He just like, he just like straight.
Speaker B:To self immolation and.
Speaker A:And he cured himself.
Speaker A:So this is my question for you.
Speaker A:Did Sam need to set himself on fire?
Speaker A:So this is kind of lore search lo.
Speaker A:So I basically went through.
Speaker A:I was like, let's see in what our inner webs of today would say because I can't Time travel is stupid, and I can't go back to whatever Web7 was.
Speaker A:And so if I searched and spelled correctly, Bible purification, you would first get an ad for ChristianBook.com which is the largest Christian retailer.
Speaker A:And you can choose from their great selection of Bibles for study, worship, or just plain reading.
Speaker A:It does offer me an assistant assist, which is DuckDuckGo's AI chat tool, which told me that purification in the Bible refers to rituals and practices aimed at restoring holiness and cleanliness, often involving sacrifices and moral conduct.
Speaker A:It is a significant theme, particularly in the Old Testament, where laws and child laws and rituals were established for various situations, such as after childbirth or dealing with certain illnesses.
Speaker A:And that was from Bible hub.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The third result on there was goes like to gotquestions.org what does the Bible say about purification in there?
Speaker A:They talk about Jesus in mind, heart and spirit, and John, like walking in the light.
Speaker A:Nothing about setting yourself on fire.
Speaker A:I see nothing in there.
Speaker B:There.
Speaker A:The fourth one, there was 21 Bible verses about purification.
Speaker A:Not a single goddamn one said set yourself on fire.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:So then I was like, you know what I would have done if I was Sam is I would have first searched what does unclean in the biblical sense mean?
Speaker A:Because that's what I want to know, right?
Speaker A:Because I would be like, is this uncurable syphilis?
Speaker A:Like, what the Is this?
Speaker B:Do I need a bath?
Speaker B:Or is there something else?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so, okay, Again, according to DuckDuckGo's AI chatbot, they said that refers to a state of RIT.
Speaker A:Impurity that can result from various conditions such as skin diseases, bodily discharges, or contact with dead bodies.
Speaker A:This status required individuals to undergo purification processes before they could participate in religious activities or approach God.
Speaker A:That actually, that.
Speaker A:That time.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:AI is not wrong there.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:There's a lot.
Speaker A:They're really into body discharges and like, like where your discharge goes and like how if it's like on a sheet, then that sheet is unclean.
Speaker A:And, and like, you know, animals and stuff like that.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And also the dead bodies thing.
Speaker A:But a lot of this, you know, I view a lot of those things about general practices to help you from not, you know, getting sick from touching dead bodies.
Speaker A:A lot of that was right.
Speaker A:So, yeah, so going through some other things.
Speaker A:There was like some purification rituals and so like you can have an immersion in water known as a mikvah that like symbolize washing away impurities, but still no fire.
Speaker A:And so I tried searching purifying biblical unclean person.
Speaker A:And that said something about using ashes from a burnt purification mixed with fresh water and then using that for cleansing.
Speaker A:So not set yourself on fire, set something else on fire.
Speaker A:And then you use that to like help purify yourself.
Speaker A:You again, not yourself.
Speaker B:The thing, not.
Speaker A:The person, not the thing, not yourself.
Speaker A:I did try also just looking at purify fire Biblical.
Speaker A:And they just told me that fire was a symbol of purification, representing God's transformative power.
Speaker A:It's a symbol, Sam, not.
Speaker A:Not literally symbol.
Speaker A:And finally, because he did also come across holy oil.
Speaker A:So if he was to search for holy oil today, he would go to holy appetite.com which would tell you how to make your own anointing oil at home.
Speaker A:So if you wanted to maybe make your own artisanal oil and set up an Etsy shop, you could do that.
Speaker A:They tell you that you only need.
Speaker A:You need four of your ingredients that will be essential oils.
Speaker A:And they want to make sure that you do your business with a reputable company and you click their links and that'll take you to them.
Speaker A:They do receive some commission if you follow that, but that doesn't cost you anything, so you should just click their links anyways.
Speaker A:And they got their recipe from Exodus.
Speaker A:And so that includes myrrh, 24 drops of that, 12 drops of cinnamon essential oil.
Speaker A:You can substitute the oil for actual cinnamon sticks that will be left in the oil mixture.
Speaker A:I don't think you can, but they say you can.
Speaker A:And so number three is a fragrant cane or calamus oil.
Speaker A:Not sure if I'm saying that right, but you need 12 drops of that, and that's not easy to find.
Speaker A:But they say you can substitute frankincense oil, which is damn expensive.
Speaker A:Lemongrass, also expensive clove essential oil.
Speaker A:I guess you can get that from a.
Speaker A:Oh, they use clove because they're cheap.
Speaker A:Okay, number four, they also need a cassia essential oil.
Speaker A:And that's not to be confused with cinnamon oil.
Speaker A:I don't know why you would.
Speaker A:And number five, you need an olive oil for your carrier oil.
Speaker A:You should use organic cold press, extra virgin.
Speaker A:And I don't think you should, but they tell you to do that anyhow.
Speaker A:So do is for your DIY Holy anointing oil.
Speaker A:You want to make sure that you store it in a cool, dark place.
Speaker A:Keep it in a glass tank container with a top of your choice.
Speaker A:But nothing plastic.
Speaker B:Your holy.
Speaker B:No Tupperware.
Speaker A:No Tupperware.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean things with like, stuff, you know, you would get some forever plastics mixed into there, you know, and Then you.
Speaker A:So your holy anointing oil needs to be treated as sacred, special, and only used for healing, consecration, and anointing.
Speaker A:So if you're like making your tacos.
Speaker A:Tacos.
Speaker A:Or that one time that my roommate stole my cooking oil for something else.
Speaker A:Do not use your holy anointing oil.
Speaker A:Other adult don'ts they have.
Speaker A:So don't use it for anything but healing and annoying.
Speaker A:Do not use it to cook with, but concentrate it.
Speaker A:Do not use a bottle or container that has been used before.
Speaker A:Get a brand new container for your holy anointing oil.
Speaker A:And don't refrigerate.
Speaker A:Refrigerated, huh?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So still my conclusions.
Speaker A:Sam doesn't need to be carrying around that big ass drug.
Speaker B:Agreed.
Speaker A:And he did not need to set himself on fire.
Speaker B:It's a weird choice.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It was a choice he made.
Speaker A:And I mean, we do see that he does learn from it quickly, but anyhow.
Speaker A:All right, so we go from Sam burning himself to grandma.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And Dean is calling out to try to find Jenna.
Speaker B:And Crowley's like, we don't know what.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What evil we're gonna find.
Speaker B:So maybe not.
Speaker B:But Dean finds a crying baby, Amara, and he is having a flashback to the Darkness when he sees the mark of Cain on Amara's chest.
Speaker A:And who branded a baby?
Speaker B:That's weird.
Speaker B:And then the dark, it reminds him of the Darkness telling him about them being bound.
Speaker B:And the baby stops crying because it likes Dean.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:Crowley calls him maternal.
Speaker B:I think that's a word that's frequently used for Dean Winchester.
Speaker A:He's good with kids.
Speaker A:He's fine.
Speaker B:So we have.
Speaker A:Except for that time he hit Ben.
Speaker A:Anyhow.
Speaker A:Okay, so we go back to Sam's, Sam in the hospital.
Speaker B:And we've got Sugar Shack by Jimmy Gilmer and the Fireballs playing loudly.
Speaker B:And multiple infected persons with the black veins walking into the hospital.
Speaker B:And they are looking for the sound, the source of this noise.
Speaker B:Noise.
Speaker B:And they find a boombox in the chapel where Sam is waiting for them.
Speaker B:And he drops a lit matchbook into a ring of holy oil that traps the three.
Speaker B:And they struggle, but their veins burn.
Speaker B:And they all collapse.
Speaker B:And they're cured because they didn't have to be set on fire.
Speaker B:They just had to be next to the fire.
Speaker A:They were just near the fire.
Speaker B:And it worked.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So now one of them.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:Thanks, Sam.
Speaker A:And it's just.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And let's go save the rest of them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, they're all dead, Sam.
Speaker A:I saw the corpse.
Speaker A:The corpse parade.
Speaker A:Outside, like.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Did you not notice the clutter in the hallway that you had to step over to get here?
Speaker A:And in the streets, I mean, there's just.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Get your corpses.
Speaker B:Such a mess.
Speaker B:Your emergency services have quite a job ahead of them.
Speaker B:This is very upsetting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That next town over is like, God damn it.
Speaker B:So Dean and Crowley approach a closed door, and they hear glass breaking in there because Jenna is standing at her grandma's dresser, systematically smashing angel figurines.
Speaker A:She's made herself a rage room.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And Dean asks why she would have cut grandma's throat.
Speaker B:And that's when Crowley shares that she doesn't have a soul.
Speaker B:Soul.
Speaker B:And Jenna shares that she doesn't have a soul because Amara is a hungry, growing girl.
Speaker A:Amara ate it.
Speaker A:Nom, nom, nom.
Speaker B:She eats souls.
Speaker B:This is terrifying.
Speaker B:And we get a little peek at Amara aging very quickly.
Speaker A:She is having a growth spurt.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:And Dean wants to try to reason with Jenna to fix this, but Jenna doesn't want to be fixed.
Speaker B:And Amara is now big.
Speaker B:Have to climb out of her crib on her own, apparently, but.
Speaker A:And find clothes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Jenna wants to fight and kill Dean.
Speaker B:Was.
Speaker B:Crowley watches.
Speaker B:Because, of course, that's what happens now.
Speaker B:And right when things are getting crazy with the fight, Crowley slams Jenna into the ceiling and then drops her body to the floor, saving Dean, but killing Jenna.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:She did sassy.
Speaker A:No, that was a bummer.
Speaker B:So Crowley's like, I think we should go see the child that eats souls.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, by the way, I think that Amara is the Darkness.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that's a whole thing.
Speaker B:And Crowley's like, that's interesting.
Speaker B:What, you think you're gonna kill her?
Speaker B:I don't know if you could.
Speaker B:I saw the way you looked at her.
Speaker B:There's no way.
Speaker B:No way.
Speaker B:Way.
Speaker B:And anyway, so Dean's like, what.
Speaker B:What are we talking about?
Speaker B:Like, this, you know, killing a baby.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:And Crowley flings Dean because he wants the baby, and he's not a Winchester sidekick.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Dean lunges a Crowley.
Speaker A:Crowley flings.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:Into the crop.
Speaker A:Into the closet.
Speaker A:Closet.
Speaker A:And he offers to let Dean walk out the door.
Speaker A:And then Dean nails him by the hand with an angel blade.
Speaker A:And then he takes out the demon blade.
Speaker A:It looks like he's gonna stab Crowley, but he does it instead.
Speaker A:He just, like.
Speaker A:It's really determined.
Speaker A:And he walks down the hall.
Speaker A:And that weird EDM is back on.
Speaker A:And Amara is gone.
Speaker B:And the crib's empty.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Guess who else is gone?
Speaker B:Crowley.
Speaker B:Crowley has made appearance as well.
Speaker A:So we go from there to the bunker.
Speaker B:Interestingly, a little flashback to a couple up, you know, the end of previous season.
Speaker B:The pile of books that the signs were getting ready to burn is still in a big old pile in the middle of the room there.
Speaker A:Because nobody came and cleaned it up.
Speaker B:Nobody's cleaned that up yet.
Speaker B:Just sat there.
Speaker B:And they discussed briefly that they need a maid.
Speaker A:But even Dean gets really gross about that.
Speaker B:He does.
Speaker B:But they're discussing that Sam thought the Darkness was a woman, not a child.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, what if I was all a vision and none of it was real?
Speaker B:But no matter what, it's all weird.
Speaker B:And they hear a noise and they.
Speaker A:Pull out their guns.
Speaker A:Who could it be?
Speaker A:But it's Cass, and he needs help.
Speaker B:Yeah, he does not look good.
Speaker A:No, he does not look because he's been tortured a bunch.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's bad.
Speaker B:Poor Cass.
Speaker B:Ah, but we're not done.
Speaker B:We have one more scene where a barefoot little girl, I don't know, under 10.
Speaker B:I'm bad at ages of children anyways.
Speaker A:No, I think, like.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:Like 8.
Speaker A:6.
Speaker B:Yeah, under 10.
Speaker B:Somewhere in, like, that 6 to 10 range, walks down the street and a van pulls up and this little girl is unattended.
Speaker B:And no one can tell her, you don't talk to the people in the van.
Speaker B:But the door opens.
Speaker B:Crowley gets out, door opens, there's four people bound inside.
Speaker B:And he offers some candy to the little girl.
Speaker A:And she smiles really creepily, and she's really happy to go eat that family.
Speaker A:Eek.
Speaker A:Eee.
Speaker A:And that's how we end.
Speaker B:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a weird one.
Speaker B:I don't know how I feel about this.
Speaker B:So before I talk about that, I'll give some casting notes.
Speaker C:Casting couch is the casting couch.
Speaker C:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker B:So first off, write my notes.
Speaker B:Here we go.
Speaker B:Amara is the young girl version is played by.
Speaker B:Now I have a nat.
Speaker B:Did you send that through the freaking camera?
Speaker B:So weird.
Speaker B:It's played by Gracelyn Chinyek, and she's been episodes of Travelers.
Speaker B:She was Amy and the man in the High Castle for, like a couple dozen episodes.
Speaker B:She was young Kate in Batwoman for a couple handfuls episodes.
Speaker B:And then Emily in what Wynn calls the Heart series for like 100 episodes.
Speaker B:Jenna's grandma was played by Christine Willies.
Speaker B:She's had a pretty long career.
Speaker B:Episodes of 21 Jump Street Street, Smallville, Hellcats x Files, Good Doctor, Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, Superman and Lois, and Goosebumps.
Speaker B:She was Dolores on Dead Like Me for a couple dozen episodes.
Speaker B:She was Sister Violet in the Wicker man film, a reception nurse in Sucker Punch, receptionist in Horns, and was in a speaker in 50 shades of gray.
Speaker A:Kinky.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Billy was played by Lisa Barry.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:She's been in episodes of Republic of Doyle, Nikita and Star Trek discovery.
Speaker B:Also as EMT in Star Trek or Wrong Thing EMT in Saw 5.
Speaker B: Candace in the: Speaker B:And Natasha in the series Working Moms or the Show?
Speaker B:Working Moms.
Speaker B:Then our rabid man, AKA one shoe, played by Trevor Roberts.
Speaker B: in episodes of dead like me,: Speaker B:Altered carbon Once Upon a time, a few times.
Speaker B:And then Charmed.
Speaker B:He was also Dookie in the movie Scary Movie.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's cool to be.
Speaker B:It's cool to meet Billy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:To have Lisa.
Speaker A:You know, we finally get Lisa Berry in here.
Speaker A:So I think that's almost all.
Speaker A:Almost all of the women.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:There's still like one or two more like ladies, but you almost met all the main ladies.
Speaker A:The supernatural now.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker A:Hooray.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So this is our second episode of season 11.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And the darkness is.
Speaker A:Is still here.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But she's a baby now.
Speaker A:You know, she's a baby.
Speaker A:Did you.
Speaker A:Did you know that was the baby?
Speaker B:I mean, I thought it might.
Speaker B:Once I saw the mark, I'm like, ah.
Speaker B:I knew it was tied to the darkness, whatever it was.
Speaker B:I didn't know it was the darkness, but now I do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Babies are evil.
Speaker B:And so is that what she grows up to be?
Speaker A:I guess you'll have to find out.
Speaker A:I figured the thing is, you know, as we get further into this, I mean, from a biblical standpoint, defining an entity like the darkness, you know, which is the void, like, that's.
Speaker A:You can't really be a baby.
Speaker A:Like, the void can't be a baby.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:Or woman.
Speaker A:Like, it's a void.
Speaker B:It can't personify it.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:The darkness is just the darkness.
Speaker A:But I mean, the dark.
Speaker A:Also.
Speaker A:The darkness isn't evil.
Speaker A:And so we'll get.
Speaker A:I think we'll also debate that, you know, as we're going through here too.
Speaker A:So it does set up this interesting concept as we start exploring souls is.
Speaker B:Not a great starting point.
Speaker A:What is the darkness?
Speaker A:Is the darkness evil?
Speaker A:Is it bad to Eat souls?
Speaker A:Do they taste like taquitos?
Speaker A:What does a soul taste like?
Speaker A:Like, does some toll souls taste bad?
Speaker A:Because I think there's some still souls that I may not want to taste.
Speaker B:That's fair.
Speaker A:So we've got.
Speaker A:But at least Sam's not veiny.
Speaker A:So, I mean, not any more than usual.
Speaker A:Gross.
Speaker A:I mean, he's.
Speaker A:He's still pretty veiny, but, you know.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker A:Kind of like, he works out a lot.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Like, you have a lot of muscle.
Speaker A:They have veins.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:No, I just.
Speaker B:I just like the way he kept, like, turning his head in of me front, flexing the black.
Speaker B:I didn't like that.
Speaker B:He was, like.
Speaker B:He was, like, flexing, and you see him, like.
Speaker B:Like, they'd, like, move.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It was disgusting.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But give me more steroids.
Speaker B:Pulsating veins on the side of his neck that.
Speaker A:This is like, the ad for don't do steroids is right.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was.
Speaker B:It's a very vascular look.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:So I'm intrigued by the new dynamic with Crowley.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So there's my.
Speaker B:Here's my.
Speaker B:These are my hot takes.
Speaker B:It's kind of a new dynamic with Crowley.
Speaker B:I'm intrigued a little bit.
Speaker B:It's a bigger pivot, but he's, like, not fully like you guys, but he's also, like, not.
Speaker B:We're besties.
Speaker B:He's kind of like a.
Speaker B:We're gonna be cool, but not kind of a thing.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I think it's a kind of a.
Speaker B:It's been a little bit transitional.
Speaker B:And then I think Sam resolving the.
Speaker B:The veiny thing is good.
Speaker B:Seems like a very weird, like, intro.
Speaker B:Like, we're only on the second episode of the season, and we had, like, this.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's a really weird storyline to me, but I'm.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Who am I to judge?
Speaker B:And then I think the.
Speaker B:I guess it's.
Speaker B:Except that's what I kind of do on this podcast.
Speaker B:So I guess.
Speaker A:I guess.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think that's kind of what we're doing here.
Speaker A:And then who am I to judge what Sam Winchester does?
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:And then I think, once again, Dean is doing the thing where he's not telling Sam everything, which is not helpful.
Speaker B:And then I'm kind of bummed about Jenna.
Speaker B:I liked her.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Hannah.
Speaker B:And Hannah.
Speaker B:That's bummer on both.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So that's my.
Speaker B:There.
Speaker B:That's my.
Speaker B:That's why I'm like.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I Think it's interesting that you kind of quickly became attached to Jenna and I did.
Speaker B:I don't know why.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:They cut it.
Speaker A:They made her a likable woman, and then they killed her.
Speaker B:Because she was tough but likable.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she was still.
Speaker B:She was tough, but feminine and likable.
Speaker B:I think that was it, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The type.
Speaker A:The type of female characters we tend to enjoy and that they tend to murder.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:Supernatural.
Speaker B:She's just like, the actress, and I have to flip back because I feel terrible.
Speaker B:She's just really striking, her appearance.
Speaker A:Diana's like, I'm just gonna look at this.
Speaker B:I'm gonna look at my nose and make.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna make a bunch of.
Speaker B:Noise, throw everything around.
Speaker A:I decided that I am awesome.
Speaker B:Lacy Mailey is just.
Speaker B:She is very striking woman, and I enjoyed having her on her.
Speaker A:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker A:I think good coloring, too.
Speaker B:So anyhow, I'll try to set there.
Speaker B:Anything else?
Speaker A:I think that's.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:I think we veined enough.
Speaker B:Veined enough.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So hopefully, like, this is the end of the.
Speaker A:Like, I'm at.
Speaker A:The makeup department was like, are we done?
Speaker A:Are we done with the veins yet?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Were they, like.
Speaker B:Were they, like, intentionally, like.
Speaker B:All right, these are going to look like really bad tribal tattoos.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:If I was going to do.
Speaker A:I would embrace it.
Speaker A:It would have to be like, you're going to curl this up as much as possible, and you were just going to black out your whole arm.
Speaker A:Some people would think that joke is funny.
Speaker A:It's only some of us, so.
Speaker A:All right, I think on that note.
Speaker A:Cheers.
Speaker A:Jerk.
Speaker B:Cheers.
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Speaker B:Meow.
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Speaker B:Going up to the spirit in the sky that's where I'm gonna go when I die When I die and they lay me to rest I'm gonna go to the place that's the best.
Speaker A:Sam.
