11:09 O Brother Where Art Thou?
O Brother, it is Season 11, Episode 9, and that is where thou art? Amara has grown up and is sucking face everywhere she goes. We talk about pyrophytes which shocking is not something you see at a metal show. The Cage has returned, and you have to take a handcart to get to it.
Research Links
- Plants That Burn: Spontaneous Combustion in Plants With David Attenborough - Bite Sized Gardening
- Spontaneous combustion - Wikipedia
- Pyrophyte - Wikipedia
- Going To Hell In A Handbasket - Meaning & Origin Of The Phrase
- Is there a bush that spontaneously bursts into flame to reproduce? - The Straight Dope
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:We're going to hell in a hot dog cart.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Definitely not.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:I'm Liz.
Speaker A:And we're going to talk about Season 11, Episode 9, oh Brother, where Art Thou?
Speaker A:And we were just discussing how darkness this episode is and her.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So there we go.
Speaker A:We'll get.
Speaker A:We'll get to all that fun stuff.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:All the puns to come.
Speaker B:So, so many more puns just waiting to be had.
Speaker B:What have you been up to?
Speaker A:I feel like a lot of things are nothing.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:What have I been up to?
Speaker A:I've been.
Speaker A:I went to a show, so there's a really good show of local Dallas bands this past weekend that was super fun.
Speaker A:The headliner was desi5 and it's just like super fun, like soul inspired kind of pop sound.
Speaker B:It was really cool.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Yeah, I feel like.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Dave and I went on an adventure to go shopping for rugs on Harry Hines, which is a section of Dallas that has some interesting markets.
Speaker A:Spoiler alert.
Speaker A:We did not buy a rug.
Speaker A:But we did have an interesting.
Speaker A:Some interesting observations.
Speaker A:And also learned that you can't really get into the.
Speaker A:And out of the Harry Hines bazaar on back to school weekend.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So my.
Speaker A:That's my adventure.
Speaker B:That sounds exciting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:How about you?
Speaker A:What have you been up to?
Speaker B:Nothing really.
Speaker B:I mean, I. I hate when you ask me that.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh.
Speaker B:Like I. I really don't have anything that I've been doing that is exciting at all.
Speaker B:So it's pushing through the August heat, which is.
Speaker B:Which is here.
Speaker B:Wildlife is coming to visit my pools.
Speaker B:We have Deb.
Speaker B:Frogs or.
Speaker B:Or toads.
Speaker B:I just had baby foxes in my backyard.
Speaker A:They really.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:It's snow whiting over here as I stare anxiously at a house and.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Wish I hadn't signed a contract that said I can't do work on that house if I am not one of the contractors I'm paying to do it.
Speaker B:I'm gonna go burn that contract up and go finish it.
Speaker B:I'm like, look you.
Speaker B:Like, I know I signed this, but there should have been a clause in there that if you don't finish it a certain amount of time that I can just go finish it myself.
Speaker A:It seems reasonable.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, one of the things that has to happen is the masonry of rebuilding the stone fireplace.
Speaker A:I don't know if that's Something you want to do.
Speaker B:I don't know how to do that.
Speaker B:So maybe get a glue gun and.
Speaker B:Get a glue gun.
Speaker A:YouTube video and a glue gun.
Speaker A:You're good.
Speaker B:I'm a crafter.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I can figure it out.
Speaker B:Like some.
Speaker B:Some command strips just behind the limestone walls.
Speaker B:I'm sure it'll be fine.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So this episode, oh, brother, Where Art Thou Is named off of the.
Speaker B:The movie that hopefully Diana has seen.
Speaker B:There's a lot of movies you haven't seen, so.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:Material, material that is in this episode.
Speaker B:So I think it makes sense to bring him back.
Speaker B:And it was also written by Eugenie Russell, Ming and Brad Buckner, who also have dealt with Lucifer a lot in their past.
Speaker B:So I think that makes sense.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Well, we open on the darkness as a grown up, right?
Speaker A:We see her as grown up darkness, and she is standing by a fountain listening to the street preacher and who has a flock with signs because they are doing street preachy things.
Speaker B:I really like the sign with the eyes.
Speaker B:The God is watching you eyes.
Speaker B:And the eyes are like far apart.
Speaker B:And it just really.
Speaker B:I just really appreciate the artwork of those eyes.
Speaker A:Noted.
Speaker A:Well, she interrupts and she's like, so you're talking about God, right?
Speaker A:Because, like, do you.
Speaker A:Do you really think he's watching?
Speaker A:Is he really interested in what's happening here?
Speaker B:Where's.
Speaker A:Where is he at?
Speaker A:And the minister is sell this.
Speaker A:The street preacher is like, you got to repent or you're going to face God's wrath.
Speaker A:And she's like, oh, about that wrath.
Speaker A:Can.
Speaker A:Can you.
Speaker A:Can you send that?
Speaker B:Because I kind of want to talk.
Speaker A:To this guy, like.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she also.
Speaker B:There is like, in there, like, back and forth, as, you know, he's like, trying to convert her for some reason, right?
Speaker B:And she's just heckling.
Speaker B:This is you.
Speaker B:Happens all the time.
Speaker B:Would you think a street preacher dealt with the heckler before, but when he is talking about, you know, God watching and judging them, but about who's, like, worthy to join him in heaven.
Speaker B:And she's just like, so.
Speaker B:But you think that's you.
Speaker B:And I just.
Speaker B:The way she said it, I was just like, that is.
Speaker B:That is perfect.
Speaker B:Way to go, Amara.
Speaker A:And she's like.
Speaker A:And he's like, and only God has this.
Speaker A:Has all that power.
Speaker A:And she's like, hold on.
Speaker A:And so she makes the fountain like, Flow with blood.
Speaker A:She's got dark clouds.
Speaker B:It's a blood fountain.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And she does that by pointing her finger.
Speaker B:And then I just really didn't.
Speaker B:She does a dance move, and she's doing it with her arm.
Speaker B:It's like, straight up with the flex wrist.
Speaker B:Like, kind of like a half vogue.
Speaker B:And that's what makes the lightning strike and the weather turn.
Speaker B:So Amara's secret power is actually voguing.
Speaker B:And we will see this continue throughout the episode.
Speaker B:And then, so the preacher, who is astonished at her voguing power because he's like, is God testing it?
Speaker B:And she was like, oh, no.
Speaker B:And she does, like, this V thing in her arms.
Speaker B:And that is such a classic vogue move.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:We all know that one.
Speaker B:And that's when lightning starts hitting those followers and frying the creature.
Speaker A:Yeah, they all did.
Speaker A:One by one.
Speaker A:It's a lot.
Speaker A:And so then she just looks around and she sees the sign that says, the end is near.
Speaker A:And she said, you wish with an oh, honey.
Speaker B:And I'm like, yes, I do.
Speaker B:Please, please, just tell me the end is near.
Speaker B:And then she looks up to the sky, and she's like, come on.
Speaker B:Well, what's going on?
Speaker A:Oh, well, we cut from this delightful scene to Sam in the cage with Lucifer.
Speaker A:He is having another vision of him being in this creepy blue light in the cage with Lucifer.
Speaker A:And he is asking if this.
Speaker A:He is in the woods asking if the universe, if this really is the answer, because this is a vision.
Speaker A:And when he.
Speaker A:In response to his question to the universe, the bush behind him catches on fire.
Speaker B:So we have a bright bush.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so that seems like.
Speaker B:It seems like a sign.
Speaker A:Seems like a sign from God, right?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:So back at the bunker, Dean is yelling at Sam that this is a terrible idea.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:Yeah, same conversation.
Speaker A:And, yes, he's probably not wrong, but, you know, Sam's like, yeah, you're right.
Speaker A:I just don't think we have any other options.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:You know, I got this.
Speaker A:I got this vision, and then I got specific.
Speaker A:And I think that now I. I think that this is, you know, the only bigger, more terrible monster than Darkness is.
Speaker A:Might be Lucifer.
Speaker A:Or at least Lucifer might know about Darkness.
Speaker A:So maybe this is what I gotta do.
Speaker B:Also, when Lucifer touches me, I feel calm.
Speaker B:And that's when Dean's like, what the.
Speaker B:Why is Lucifer touching you, making you calm?
Speaker B:And Dean is like, start.
Speaker B:Was like, do.
Speaker B:Do you.
Speaker B:Is God.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, duh, I saw a burning bush in Dean's all, it's a forest and there are bushes, and sometimes they just burn.
Speaker B:So first of all, about that, we get to learn a new word today.
Speaker B:And the word we are learning is theophany.
Speaker B:So a theophany is the appearance of a deity in a visible, intangible form, often in the context of ancient religions to describe encounters with gods.
Speaker B:So they are manifestations like light, fire, or human forms that reveal that the God, the deity, is present and real to humans.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So this is sort of a mini lore.
Speaker B:I just really was like minute or two on some burning bushes that cannot be treated with antibiotics.
Speaker B: So in: Speaker B:Cecil Adams of the Straight Dope answered the following inquiry.
Speaker B:Dear Cecil, I'm sure I remember hearing from a reliable source, that is a science program, that certain species of trees or shrubs will spontaneously combust in order to ensure the survival of the species.
Speaker B:I'm being mercilessly teased about this, so I'd appreciate any information you can dig up.
Speaker B:Donna Rose, Washington, D.C. cecil replies, no offense, Donna, but this is a pretty dull way of putting it.
Speaker B:A more interesting way is, could the biblical burning bush that spoke to Moses have been a spontaneously combusting desert shrub?
Speaker B:Answer?
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker B:Some claim there's a plant in desert regions that every so often bursts into flame for no apparent reason.
Speaker B:So Cecil goes on to say that the science program was likely talking about pyrophytes, which are plants that have adapted to fire in various ways.
Speaker B:Also, the title of my next band, the cones of several secret species of pine, for example, are serotoninous.
Speaker B:Serotoninous.
Speaker B:I mean, that's just my brain.
Speaker B:And so they open only when they're exposed to really high temperatures.
Speaker B:So they have to have fire to be to reproduce and.
Speaker B:But that fire has to come from outside.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:They can't like, set themselves.
Speaker B:They don't.
Speaker B:They don't set themselves on fire.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But he also goes on to say that other plants eliminate the middleman.
Speaker B:There is a plant called.
Speaker B:They just start put calling it D, period, because nobody so dict.
Speaker B:Albus.
Speaker B:So its last name is Alba.
Speaker B:So it's like your dog is a flowering shrub that grows to a height of about 2ft, native to a wide swath of Europe and Asia, including Israel.
Speaker B:It's commonly called Fraxinella.
Speaker B:And more pertinently for our story, gas plant and burning bush.
Speaker B:But I like that it's called gas plant.
Speaker A:Gas plant.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So they say on warm days, D Albus exudes Vapor that readily ignites if you hold a match to it.
Speaker B:And some say it ignites all by itself if the sun is hot enough.
Speaker B:But here is when things start to get biblical, the vapor burns so quickly that it doesn't consume or even damage the plant.
Speaker B:Plant.
Speaker B:It's like, you know when you're doing a fire flow and I'm like, what?
Speaker B:Look at me, like, put this fire all over me, but it's like, not really burning me.
Speaker B:Like, that's just because I have alcohol, whatever things I'm doing to, like, do my flushing, right?
Speaker B:So I haven't.
Speaker B:I haven't used that word in a while.
Speaker B:Flushing flesh.
Speaker B:So that he talks about in Exodus 3, 2.
Speaker B:And the angel of Lord appeared unto Moses in the flame of fire out of the midst of a bush.
Speaker B:And he looked, and behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Speaker B:So D Albus is Moses's burning bush.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And many biblical commentators think so.
Speaker B:But he doesn't want to, like, say for sure that he is.
Speaker B:And he said there was a research assistant who turned up a case of spontaneous combustion involving cactus.
Speaker B:But nobody has authoritatively said, I've seen a bush light itself on fire.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So all those plants he was talking about, again, that word is pyrophytes.
Speaker B:And that beats plants that have adapted to tolerate fire.
Speaker B:Passive pyrophytes.
Speaker B:These names all sound like something in bdsm.
Speaker B:So passive pyrophytes are able to resist.
Speaker B:Resist fire through physical adaptations, like making, you know, thick bark with E2C's and tissue with a high moisture content.
Speaker B:You know, so you got to be juicy or have some underground, you know, storage junctures, structures as some junk in the underground trunk.
Speaker B:And so examples of those include the giant sequoia there, the coast redwood, and also the Venus fly trap, which I could not keep alive.
Speaker B:So active pyrophan pyrophytes encourage the spread of fire by producing flammable oils.
Speaker B:An example of that would be the Australian eucalyptus.
Speaker B:And you can see a blue haze above eucalyptus trees in certain conditions from all the oil coming off of it.
Speaker B:Fun fact I did not know that will probably be on Jeopardy someday, so if you win, let me know.
Speaker B:So if a plant needs fire to reproduce, then it's called pyrophilic Also.
Speaker B:See, it just sounds dirty.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker B:So that sounds like the longleaf pine.
Speaker B:Depends on fire to clear the sound for seed germination.
Speaker B:There is another Australian plant, the Biblis, and that one is either carnivorous or post carnivorous.
Speaker B:They're unsure because for a while, like, they thought it was eating the bugs on it.
Speaker B:Then they realize there's another bug that's hanging out there and eating the bugs that it's attracted to it.
Speaker B:So they think it's just eating that bug's crap.
Speaker B:So then it's.
Speaker B:That becomes post carnivorous.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But they do need the pyrogenic chemicals in the smoke of a, of a brush fire to start their germination.
Speaker B:Plants can combust if they produce a low ignition.
Speaker B:This, this one, this, the, this language I tried.
Speaker B:It all sounded very sciencey and it made things.
Speaker B:Let's try to make it understandable.
Speaker B:So let's go.
Speaker B:All right, so if plant has a low ignition temperature, so like hay or straw, right.
Speaker B:And then they start to release heat through a process like oxidation or bacterial fermentation.
Speaker B:So like, things get mixed with them that cause it, or bacteria gets in them.
Speaker B:And the materials themselves, because of their structure, they keep heat inside of them.
Speaker B:So the temperature just gets hotter and hotter and will rise past the ignition rate.
Speaker B:And that will cause combustion if there's a significant oxygen around around to maintain.
Speaker B:This is a quote, the reaction into thermal Runway, which just sounds like something in space, but really just means, like, there are like piles of hay and straw.
Speaker B:Those often do.
Speaker B:Especially if it's really hot in the summer.
Speaker B:Those will come best.
Speaker B:There is a true crime story on buried bones about a, A, A person who was found burned alive in like in a field.
Speaker B:And they thought it was a murder, but he had gone to sleep in between two haystacks and the haystacks combusted and he was burnt alive.
Speaker B:Oh, sad, but really interesting forensic case.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So anyways, that's a.
Speaker B:That's the burning bush.
Speaker B:So I mean, is it ain't nobody.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So bushes can set themselves on fire.
Speaker B:I said I kind of want that plant that just like, burns.
Speaker B:Not in Texas.
Speaker B:It seems like a bad thing.
Speaker B:It doesn't seem like it should exist in Australia either.
Speaker A:No, it seems like a bad place for that.
Speaker B:Seems dangerous.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But everything there is dangerous, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They should, like, talk to me when the plant has developed like, the ability to like, put the fire out.
Speaker B:All right, so go back into Sam and his rationalization.
Speaker A:He's like, yeah, you know, I mean, hey, Lucifer was there when God put darkness away.
Speaker A:Maybe he knows something cool.
Speaker A:And I guess it kind of works because our next scene is Sam and Dean meeting with the one and only Crowley.
Speaker B:And if both of them are there, and at first Crowley doesn't want to talk about the cage?
Speaker A:No, he just wants to talk about what the hell's going on with.
Speaker B:With.
Speaker A:With Dean and Mara.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he's like, why can't you control your girlfriend?
Speaker B:And then, apparently, this is the episode where everybody learns that Amara is gotten sister, sister.
Speaker B:And they all learn it one at a time.
Speaker B:So this is Crowley's turn to learn, and he is surprised that God has relatives.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And he's also pissed that he lost this leverage.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, that's fine.
Speaker A:I need to know if Sam can meet with Lucifer with.
Speaker A:But not in the cage and without letting Lucifer out of the cage.
Speaker A:It's like a riddle.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And 1.
Speaker B:Be inside the cage, but outside the cage.
Speaker A:And communicate through the cage.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And so Crowley's like, look, if you go in that cage, you're gone.
Speaker A:So, yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's just all there is to it.
Speaker A:So we need a way to neutralize Lucifer, but we don't really know what that is.
Speaker A:And they're like, well, no matter what, Sam, safety is important to Dean.
Speaker A:And Crowley's like, well, I can get you transit through hell, but God's the one that sealed this.
Speaker A:This cage up.
Speaker A:I don't have the key.
Speaker B:Which is also fair.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like Crowley.
Speaker B:Like, what the does Crowley have to do with this?
Speaker B:Also, in between, they have shown Lucifer in the cage, and he is modeling and doing some blue steel.
Speaker A:And it's very weird.
Speaker A:That's why I just skipped it.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:It's just these random flashes of Lucifer in the cage with the blue light.
Speaker B:I. I just wanted to talk about his Zoolander face, because he was like.
Speaker B:He got some.
Speaker B:He got some serious posts in there.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe there's going to be a vog off between him and Amara, and that.
Speaker B:That's what's going to happen.
Speaker B:Be amazing.
Speaker B:You better walk that duck.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So where are we?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So the cage and the spell to protect Sam are only in one place.
Speaker B:And of course, it's in the Book.
Speaker A:Of the Damned for sure.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:So we cut to a church, and it has.
Speaker A:We see the altar, and it looks.
Speaker B:Like a super Catholic ch.
Speaker B:Episcopalian.
Speaker B:Like, you know, just stained glass everywhere.
Speaker B:They're just like, are y' all gonna all this up?
Speaker B:Is this all about to get mustache?
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:It's quite.
Speaker A:Very pretty stained glass installation here.
Speaker A:And it.
Speaker A:And there is a.
Speaker A:It is obviously not during, like, a match or a service, but there's the priest.
Speaker A:Is there.
Speaker A:There's people praying.
Speaker A:I saw a Rosary?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, and we see Amara there, and I get confused.
Speaker A:So should I be calling her the Darkness or Amara or interchangeable?
Speaker B:It's interchangeable.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker A:I was like, I don't know.
Speaker A:Darkness gets really long to write, and then dark is stupid.
Speaker B:So sometimes it is color the dark because it's funny.
Speaker B:But, yeah, usually it's.
Speaker B:Amara is what I just end up referring to her as.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker A:She tells him that she's looking for a meeting with God, and he's like, why don't you pray?
Speaker A:And she's like, this is yet another.
Speaker B:One of these, like, preachers that.
Speaker B:I'm just like, why are y' all so interested in converting this lady?
Speaker B:And he is.
Speaker B:Is so sincere in everything he says to her.
Speaker B:And they're all like, the basics.
Speaker B:Like, 1, 2, 3.
Speaker B:This is how you get Jesus.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:She's like.
Speaker A:Tries to kind of pray, like, kneels, and, like.
Speaker A:Kind of like the other persons are doing, like, Niels and is like, yeah, it's not working.
Speaker A:And he's like, well, it's kind of.
Speaker A:I'm like, like a little kid.
Speaker A:Like, this didn't work.
Speaker B:Like, this doesn't work.
Speaker B:And then he's like, nobody is seeing God.
Speaker B:And then she is like, only dead people get to see him.
Speaker B:And this makes sense to billions of you.
Speaker B:And then he tries to explain faith to her, and I'm like, sir, I'm not sure this is a conversation to have in the middle of his pew.
Speaker B:Like, I get you're a priest, but clearly, have you not dealt with a woman who walked in off the street in an evening gown and was talking to you about, like, finding God.
Speaker B:Finding God.
Speaker B:Like, you're.
Speaker B:I think you should take this conversation another way.
Speaker B:But anyways, he's either the nicest or the dumbest priest.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, it doesn't go well for him either way.
Speaker A:So he.
Speaker A:He fails to.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:He fails to explain faith to her in a way that she is accepting of this in any way, shape, or form, and.
Speaker A:Cause she calls it a manipulation, and says that they don't know God.
Speaker A:And priests, like, no, we do.
Speaker A:You know, he's the light who vanquishes.
Speaker B:That darkness, which was a very unfortunate choice of words for this man.
Speaker B:Like, you probably could have said a whole bunch of other things about God, but that phrase.
Speaker B:Oops.
Speaker A:I mean, it's a very common phrase in.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm sure, but maybe not the right time to say that.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So any hands are Bible and leaves and walks.
Speaker A:He hands Her Bible and walks away.
Speaker B:And so we go from there to the asylum, and Rowena has been brought in under a hood.
Speaker B:And she's wearing a beaded gown down.
Speaker B:God damn it.
Speaker B:And then look how she's pulling off those bangs.
Speaker B:And then she said something, I think.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I was just looking at her dress.
Speaker A:Well, she says her.
Speaker A:Her followers will swoop down if he.
Speaker A:If she.
Speaker A:If she's hurt by Crowley.
Speaker A:And he's like, yeah, if that was gonna happen, you would have already done that.
Speaker A:So sorry.
Speaker A:And Sam and Dean enter, and she's big mad because she is like, why the.
Speaker A:Are you working with them again?
Speaker A:And Dean's like, yeah, no, don't worry.
Speaker A:We're all enemies.
Speaker A:We just have a bigger enemy now that that's shared.
Speaker A:So don't.
Speaker A:No, don't.
Speaker A:Don't get.
Speaker A:Don't get too caught up in this.
Speaker A:She realizes that this, whatever's going on, is a result of the removal of the mark.
Speaker A:She knew something bad was gonna happen.
Speaker A:She told them something bad is going to happen.
Speaker A:She helped them do it anyway.
Speaker B:Literally knew it.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker A:She told you.
Speaker B:So she was.
Speaker B:It was in the spell.
Speaker B:Yes, literally in the spell.
Speaker A:And she wants to know if it's as bad as the rumors say it is.
Speaker A:And, you know, because she's.
Speaker A:If she's going to help them with anything, if they want the book or whatever she wants.
Speaker A:She wants to know what.
Speaker A:What's going to happen afterwards.
Speaker B:Which is the typical Rowena.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So what happens to me?
Speaker B:How can I know if I can trust you?
Speaker B:And then Crowley says, you can't, because it's a devil's bargain.
Speaker B:And that should have been the title of his episode, but will be the title of my next album.
Speaker B:So we go from there to.
Speaker B:I'm sure, I guarantee you, there is some band that has an album called the Devil's Bargain.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so we go from there to.
Speaker A:PJs, Autobots, and we have an angel meeting.
Speaker A:Oh, secret angel meeting.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker A:And they are meeting about the darkness.
Speaker A:Because these angels, some of the angels, are not really happy with how the other angels in heaven are dealing with this.
Speaker A:And all the factions of the angels need to come together because, you know, the God's not around.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So one angel dude has decided that nobody's doing anything fast enough, so he is going to get them all to rally up, up together, and they're all going to show God and all the other big bads, like, what you do.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, that's gonna go well, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, they're gonna.
Speaker A:That's all.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, you know, there is, like.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker B:Like, you know, groups come together, you know, for the first time, and, like, one of them is like, wow, how can you lead?
Speaker B:Like, you know, you've never led before.
Speaker B:And he's like, look, you know, someone's hot.
Speaker B:You know, it's got to be your first time sometime, right?
Speaker B:Which is the basic gist, but also maybe your first time.
Speaker B:Should it be going up against an immortal being that God locked away?
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:I don't know if this is.
Speaker B:This is the time.
Speaker A:This is when you call in an expert.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a big move there, buster.
Speaker B:But let's see how the strategy plays out for you.
Speaker B:All right, so we go back to.
Speaker B:To the asylum, where now Rowena has learned that Darkness is God's sister.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she thinks that is hilarious.
Speaker B:And in her day, she would have been burned at the stake for even thinking something like this.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And Crowley is gonna offer her a deal.
Speaker A:He's gonna call off his assassins if she helps by using the Book of the Damned.
Speaker A:And she's like, well, I'm on.
Speaker A:Also need the Codex, and I need Charlie's code breaker.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, look, all I need to.
Speaker A:All we need to know.
Speaker A:And all you're allowed to do is look at how to open the cage and protect Sam, period.
Speaker A:And she's like, well, what's in the cage?
Speaker A:Because nobody's told her this part yet.
Speaker B:Somehow they have left this out.
Speaker B:Somehow she does not know.
Speaker A:They are not good at explaining things.
Speaker B:Communication, once again, is not a Winchester strength.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So they tell her who is in.
Speaker A:The cage, and she squeals.
Speaker A:Squeal.
Speaker A:Giddy squeal.
Speaker A:She is.
Speaker B:It's like fan girl Jonas Brother.
Speaker B:She is so excited that Lucifer is in this cage, and it is delightful.
Speaker B:So we at least have that moment to help this episode go.
Speaker A:Oh, gosh.
Speaker B:So we go from there back to the church where's.
Speaker B:The organ's still playing?
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:The organ is still playing, but the candles are all gone.
Speaker A:Have all gone out.
Speaker A:And all of the parishioners that were there praying and the priest are.
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Not yet.
Speaker A:Not yet.
Speaker A:All the prisoners are dead and the statues are all broken.
Speaker A:And the Darkness, Amara eats the soul of the priest.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Yeah, then she tossed him against the altar.
Speaker B:And then he dies.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:Bravo.
Speaker B:So, you dudes for the work of the corpses in this episode, you know, we have the Burning corpses in the first one where everybody was all charred up from the lightning.
Speaker B:And then in here, we just have some good old fashioned, like, ripping.
Speaker B:Like, it's just.
Speaker B:It's just very.
Speaker B:Is a very well done gore fest.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:And that priest's death was gnarly.
Speaker B:And it was good.
Speaker B:Like, it was just like, boom.
Speaker B:Head against Lego.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:But Amara is just like, hey, God.
Speaker B:Like, I. I'm come out.
Speaker B:Like, all your people are suffering.
Speaker B:Like, don't you want to stop this?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Dean and is at the church investigating this while Sam is on which duty?
Speaker A:Which I felt like that sounded like a fun way of labeling it, but it's probably not that fun.
Speaker A:So he said, this is, you know, the A Re.
Speaker A:There's a report of a mystery woman that was seen with the priest.
Speaker A:So they know that it's Amara, obviously.
Speaker A:And Dean's gonna go.
Speaker A:You know, he wants to make sure that while they're on the phone, he's talking to Sam.
Speaker A:He really wants to make sure he's.
Speaker B:Okay with this plan.
Speaker A:He wants to make sure Sam suggested this plan, but that Sam's actually really able to go through with it.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, well, no, I'm not okay with it, but I just don't feel like I have a choice.
Speaker A:And so we're gonna do it.
Speaker A:We're gonna do it.
Speaker B:Buckle up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, well, I hate it too, but I won't.
Speaker B:You don't do anything without me.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, of course.
Speaker B:I promise.
Speaker B:And the Rowena is like, seen my hair?
Speaker B:It looks amazing.
Speaker B:I'm sitting here.
Speaker A:Really good hair episode.
Speaker B:I am trussed up like a chicken is what she says.
Speaker B:But I don't think she is because, like, her bangs have, like, some kind of volume in the side.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:It's not frizzy.
Speaker B:It's just the curls are out, and they are spectacular.
Speaker B:So I think you're doing just fine, girl.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But she thinks because she's in handcuffs that they don't trust her.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, because they're supposed to be partners on this.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, so Sam's like, we can't let you blue, like, loose with a book of the damned, because, what, do I look crazy?
Speaker B:And she's like, well, you do have some issues with your domineering older brother and abandonment by your father.
Speaker B:And I'm like, damn, girl, go.
Speaker B:But she gets an aha moment, and she tells Sam to get firmness for firmness, to get Fergus, and he's Gonna summon.
Speaker B:To get him to summon a hand cart.
Speaker B:Is it going to hell?
Speaker B:We're going to hell.
Speaker B: handbasket was first shown in: Speaker B:In the history of potpourri.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna pop all my peas right into this microphone.
Speaker B:So that noise of a popish plot was nothing in the world but an intrigue of the pigs to destroy the king's best friends and the devil fetch me to hell in a hand basket, if I might have my will.
Speaker B:There should not be one fanatical dog left alive in the three kingdoms.
Speaker B:Oh, so, yeah, no pokes.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So the phrase to hell in a hand basket, this is mainly from phrases.org UK website for everything.
Speaker B: e first citation of it was in: Speaker B:In the history of popery, that noise of a popish plot was nothing in the world but the intrigue of the Whigs.
Speaker B:To destroy the king's best friends and the devil fetch me to hell in a hand basket, if I might have my will.
Speaker B:There should not be one fanatical dog left alive in the three kingdoms.
Speaker B:So this also helps to dispute.
Speaker B:There is a common belief that the phrase originated in the United States.
Speaker B:It did not.
Speaker B: as at least going back to the: Speaker B:Oh, sorry.
Speaker B:Italy, wherever the popes were.
Speaker B:So there are variants of this phrase that use various forms of transport traveling either to or from heaven or hell.
Speaker B:And so the English preacher Thomas Adams had going to heaven in a wheelbarrow in God's bounty on proverbs, which I think is fun, although maybe not the way I want to go to heaven, but.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Oh, I guess that is also a way of saying that you are going to hell.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So the medieval stained glass windows of Fairford Church in Gloucestershire have a woman being carried off to purgatory in the wheelbarrow, pushed by a blue devil, which I wanted to go see.
Speaker B:That sounds fun.
Speaker B:In.
Speaker B: sch painting that was done in: Speaker B:And so going to hell in a hand basket seems to just be a colorful version of saying going to.
Speaker B:Going to hell.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:In a hand basket is what they call an alliterative intensifier to make it sound better.
Speaker B:And because things do sound better when there is.
Speaker B:When there's alliteration.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And they said there doesn't seem to be any significance to the hand basket apart from that and that it just starts with an H. And the earliest citation they had of hell in a hand cart, though, was in America.
Speaker B:And that was the writer Elbridge Pages book of short patent sermons, which I'm sure were all bangers.
Speaker B: And that came out in: Speaker B:And that said those people who would rather ride to hell in a hand cart than walk to heaven, supported by the staff of industry, do not know what the rest of that sermon says.
Speaker B:So we're gonna leave that there.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Also, I also just like the way Rowena says it, too.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's very.
Speaker B:We're going to hell.
Speaker B:And you're just like.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, what?
Speaker B:What are we doing?
Speaker B:So we're going on vacation.
Speaker B:So we go from there back to the church, and we're going to have some back and forth.
Speaker B:And Dean smells a fart, so Amara must be near.
Speaker B:And then he sees a hot dog cart.
Speaker B:So then he is like, so maybe that was the fart smell.
Speaker B:And he was like, is it the hot dog water?
Speaker B:And then the guy goes, do you want a hot dog?
Speaker B:And he's like, duh.
Speaker A:He's like, obviously.
Speaker A:And then Dean or.
Speaker A:And Sam tries to call him, and he doesn't answer because Amara's there.
Speaker B:He sees her.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's not just the hot dog water.
Speaker A:It's not just the hot dog water.
Speaker A:Well, in.
Speaker A:In the asylum, Rowena is annoyed that Sam is taking the time to call Dean, even though Sam promised that they wouldn't go anywhere until they talked to.
Speaker B:Dean, but immediately broke that promise, like, five minutes later.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And because Sam is like.
Speaker B:Rowena is also just pressured.
Speaker A:She's ready.
Speaker A:She's ready to go.
Speaker B:You got to go.
Speaker A:So Amara, like, knows that Dean felt her presence.
Speaker A:She touches his arm, and suddenly they're in, like, this valley by a water.
Speaker B:I just called it Canada.
Speaker B:So they go to Canada.
Speaker B:Also, Marina had another great line when she was taught they were pressuring Sam.
Speaker B:She said that she promised Lincoln a fun night at the theater.
Speaker B:Bless.
Speaker B:Podcast on the left did a really great.
Speaker B:Did a really great update on their John Wilkes Booth story.
Speaker B:Highly recommend.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:That's a fun ride.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So there Amara and Dean are in Canada, and he is like, so glad you're grown up now.
Speaker B:So this is less of a pedophile, awkward situation.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's like, this is you now.
Speaker A:And she's like, at least for today.
Speaker B:What we all change My God.
Speaker B:I'm not the same person I was yesterday, I guess.
Speaker A:Well, anyway, we go back to, like, this.
Speaker A:Crowley and Rowena and Sam.
Speaker A:And she's talking.
Speaker A:Crowley's annoyed.
Speaker A:And he.
Speaker A:Because they are in this.
Speaker A:Read this limbo region of hell.
Speaker A:And this is where they send unruly, you know, souls for a timeout.
Speaker A:It lacks ambiance, balance.
Speaker B:It does.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:But it does have a security for Sam's meetup with Lucifer.
Speaker B:And we come up to this giant cage, right?
Speaker B:It's very dramatic.
Speaker B:And there's torches and there's lightings.
Speaker B:And Sam thinks the suits Crowley because it's dark and empty.
Speaker B:So some quick reminders about the cage because it has been a while since this was on the show.
Speaker B:This is mainly from Supernatural Wiki.
Speaker B:So the cage was created after Lucifer was banished from heaven for defying God.
Speaker B:Because he got corrupted because of the mark of Cain.
Speaker B:And the mark of Cain twisted a human soul into the first demon.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So God sent Michael to imprison Lucifer in the cage.
Speaker B:He was locked in there with 600 mystical seals.
Speaker B:Then Azazel came.
Speaker B:Yellow eyes, Old Yeet.
Speaker B:And he got inside a priest and they killed a bunch of nuns.
Speaker B:Then they started.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:Azazel told Lilith that she had to break the seals.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:So they start breaking seals.
Speaker B:And so they break 66.
Speaker B:66 of the 600 seals.
Speaker B:And that is going to open things up.
Speaker B:After Dean goes to Hell, Cassio reveals that Lilith is going to break the seals in order to free Lucifer.
Speaker B:They go through.
Speaker B:They learn all the reasons, things that there's.
Speaker B:Like, Ruby.
Speaker B:This is why Sam had the demon blood.
Speaker B:Then when Sam and Dean are trying to stop Lucifer and the Apocalypse, our Hotness of Gabriel comes up.
Speaker B:And it was like, yo, the Four Horsemen.
Speaker B:They got some rings.
Speaker B:And so they have to get.
Speaker B:Sam's gonna say, okay, Lucifer's gonna possess me.
Speaker B:We're gonna get him in the cage.
Speaker B:That doesn't work.
Speaker B:But then they end up, like, trying to do it again.
Speaker B:And then we got Michael, who is there in Adam.
Speaker B:And then they fight.
Speaker B:And then they all go into the cage, including Adam.
Speaker B:Adam's still in the cage.
Speaker B:And so, you know, where's Adam?
Speaker B:So the answers will come.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:They're not, like, just ignoring that.
Speaker B:I just think it's really funny.
Speaker B:So Raphael tried to reopen the case, release Lucifer and Michael, but that didn't work.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Then death went in to get Sam's soul.
Speaker B:And then that.
Speaker B:We got the wall up in Sam's head where it was all crazy.
Speaker A:The soul wall.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so the cage was supposed to be like.
Speaker B:They've always been really vague about where it is.
Speaker B:It's somewhere in Hell.
Speaker B:And it was a place, though, that Azaziel could still communicate with Lucifer through the cage.
Speaker B:So there's always been kind of like this communication that goes in and out of the cage, which we'll see comes up later.
Speaker B:And there.
Speaker B:Some fans have said that maybe the cage is in a, like, multiple dimensional plane because it can be reached from different things.
Speaker B:And I think that would make kind of sense.
Speaker B:But Sarah Gamble did confirm that the cage is at the bottom of the lowest depths of the 9th circle of the worst bit of Hell.
Speaker B:So Sarah Gamble is saying, there's nine circle.
Speaker B:There's circles of Hell, which is like, okay, yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But where we come to it, here it is, a big box surrounded by chains in limbo.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that's the cage.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And Rowena starts drawing sigils on this big old cage.
Speaker A:That's when they.
Speaker A:When they arrive.
Speaker A:And Crowley is telling Sam that even as.
Speaker A:Even as King of Hell, this place is not his cup of tea.
Speaker A:And that's when he.
Speaker A:Miss him's like, oh, it starts you.
Speaker A:It suits you.
Speaker A:It's dark and empty.
Speaker A:Crowley's irritated kind of about this, and he's like, you're being a dick.
Speaker A:And I'm helping again.
Speaker B:Keep helping them, Crowley.
Speaker A:Anyways, so Rowena is getting ready to do a spell that should open the cage, but keep them protected.
Speaker A:And so she starts her incantation, and we get a border of fire.
Speaker B:It's pretty cool.
Speaker A:That's pretty cool.
Speaker A:Back in Canada.
Speaker B:Also, it begins.
Speaker A:So it begins.
Speaker B:And then we go to Canada.
Speaker B:And Amara's like, dean, you misunderstand why I'm here.
Speaker B:On her, on Earth.
Speaker B:And he's like, what about all those people you just killed?
Speaker A:And she's like, oh, no, I'm just trying to get God's attention.
Speaker A:And she's like, you know, if you've even.
Speaker A:You know, I prayed.
Speaker A:And he ignored me, so he forced my hand.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she does say an interesting thing, you know, but one is like, you just all try to get my brother's attention.
Speaker B:But she does, like, mention that there was no daddy, which I just think is an interesting.
Speaker B:God has a sister, but God has no father.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:I just think that's in.
Speaker B:In the dog meat, whatever this is.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that's interesting.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker B:Okay, so her issues with her brother, not with creation.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And, like, I don't have a Problem with these people.
Speaker B:But also.
Speaker A:And he's like, this is Yalls mess.
Speaker A:And now you're killing all these people and taking their souls.
Speaker A:And she's like, oh, no, don't worry.
Speaker A:When I consume their souls, they're not gone.
Speaker A:They just become part of me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Forever.
Speaker B:That's not better.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And she thinks it is.
Speaker A:She did not get this.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Does not get it.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So we're gonna go back to the cage where Sam is having a panic attack, Rowena is having an orgasm, and Crowley is just bored.
Speaker B:And because they're in the cage is the one and only Lucifer.
Speaker A:Flaming eyes.
Speaker A:A little ring of fire eyes.
Speaker A:And the fire goes down.
Speaker A:And he recognizes Crowley immediately and talks some because he's like, what the.
Speaker A:And then he wants to know what.
Speaker A:Why he's there.
Speaker A:What do y' all want with me?
Speaker A:Sam steps into view.
Speaker A:He's like, oh, my old roomie.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And then it's just like, his worse.
Speaker B:He's just like, why am I here?
Speaker B:Is it for parole?
Speaker B:And fruit is like, you're hot.
Speaker B:And then Sam.
Speaker B:But she's also like, lucifer is probably not relationship material, and I think that's wise.
Speaker B:Lucifer is probably not a good boyfriend, no matter what you think as a high school girl.
Speaker B:Like, so Sam tells Lucifer that the darkness has been released.
Speaker B:And Lucifer's like, what?
Speaker B:How did that happen?
Speaker A:Even?
Speaker A:He's like, yikes.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker B:And just like, sam, was that you?
Speaker B:Shockingly.
Speaker B:Did the evil get released by a Winchester?
Speaker B:Of course it did.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's like, yeah, darkness is on Earth, and it's a threat to all that exists, so.
Speaker B:Which is like, his lying, going into everything.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like, trying to get everyone on board, like it's gonna.
Speaker B:Was gonna wipe you out.
Speaker B:And Lucifer, once I'm only quoted this line because I was craving this.
Speaker B:Lucifer wanted to know where God, the big burrito is.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, well, God's location's unknown right now, but he answered my prayers.
Speaker A:So I.
Speaker A:That's why I sought you out.
Speaker A:Told me to come to you.
Speaker B:Well, that seems great.
Speaker B:Dad said to reach out to you.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Oh, this is all great.
Speaker B:So we're gonna cut from there back to Canada.
Speaker B:And so Amara also has this idea that Zadina's distrusting her, but she also thinks that a lot of this is because God pushed all this propaganda out about her.
Speaker B:The God was so insecure that she was going to be able to make a better world in her, then he had to exile her race of her.
Speaker B:And then like, make her seem like a threat to everybody.
Speaker B:In other words, human okanye.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:And he's like, well, there is some things that people find comfort in from him.
Speaker A:And whether it be the golden rule about being brother's keeper, just in general, you know, it's his universe, has been his rules.
Speaker A:And she's like, what if there were no rules?
Speaker A:No pain, no prayers, just bliss.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And she also points out, like, the differences between.
Speaker B:Another difference is that God was also encouraging all these religions and monuments to him, like, for his ego.
Speaker B:So in her bliss land, like, you're not gonna have to, like, pray.
Speaker B:You're not gonna.
Speaker B:You know how to do that.
Speaker B:It's so cool, right?
Speaker A:You're just gonna have.
Speaker A:You're just gonna have that feeling you have.
Speaker B:This sounds great.
Speaker B:This sounds great.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That sounds sus.
Speaker B:As hell.
Speaker A:Well, speaking.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And speaking of how Crowley is complaining that he can't hear anything, and Rowena tells him to shut it, which just sounds so good in a Scottish accent.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:And so we have Lucifer and Sam discussing how God.
Speaker A:How he helps God seal up the darkness.
Speaker A:And then, you know that there.
Speaker A:Now you've.
Speaker A:Now you that up, Sam, essentially, he's like, look, she has equal power to God, but not the experience at this point.
Speaker A:And God obviously had strategy.
Speaker A:So, you know, maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe this could.
Speaker A:Maybe we could do something.
Speaker A:Crowley's like, oh, God, please, Sam, don't strike a deal.
Speaker A:That's what's gonna happen.
Speaker A:Don't make a deal with Lucifer.
Speaker A:Please don't do this.
Speaker A:Sam's clearly going to make a deal with Lucifer.
Speaker B:Of course he is.
Speaker B:But also Crowley.
Speaker B:Like, you're the king of deals.
Speaker A:Like, I know it's kind of weird, but the one time Crowley didn't think someone should make a deal was this time, right?
Speaker B:And Rowena and Crowley are just kind of having this mother son things off to the side, too.
Speaker B:And she's just like, you know, like, it's just so hard being a parent.
Speaker B:Knowing when to hug your child, knowing when to kill them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Lucifer is like, look, I need to be let out of the cage if you want me to help you.
Speaker A:So I need a vessel that's strong enough to hold me, and there seems to be one that's handy and available.
Speaker B:Of course he wants to be inside Sam.
Speaker A:He always wants to be inside Sam.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so while we're pondering that, we go to Canada.
Speaker B:And so what happens when the world is blissful is that Amara gets what she deserves.
Speaker B:And what she deserves is everything.
Speaker B:She is 100 that she was the beginning, she was the end, and she will be everything thing.
Speaker A:And he's like, so you're it.
Speaker A:That would make you God.
Speaker A:And she's like, oh, no.
Speaker A:God is the light.
Speaker A:I am the dark.
Speaker B:And I'm like, yes, I support this religion.
Speaker B:I get some bliss.
Speaker B:I get some darkness I don't have.
Speaker B:Sounds great.
Speaker B:But then Dean's like, I am going.
Speaker A:To stab the dark, because this is sus.
Speaker A:But it's also stupid.
Speaker B:It's also really stupid to try and stab the dark because you can't.
Speaker B:You can't stab the dark.
Speaker A:I mean, I know we say they're in Canada.
Speaker A:Like, do we even know where they are?
Speaker A:Like, are they in some, like, made up plane?
Speaker A:Like, she's.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:We don't even know.
Speaker A:We don't even know where they are.
Speaker A:He's just gonna stab her.
Speaker B:Like, what happens if you.
Speaker B:Do you live in Canada forever?
Speaker A:Well, I mean.
Speaker A:Well, like, where.
Speaker A:Where are you?
Speaker A:You don't even know.
Speaker A:So either way, he tries to stab her with his fancy knife, and it just shatters.
Speaker A:And she's not amused.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:And she's like, well, you're a warrior, right?
Speaker B:And you've got this instinct to resist, but she cannot be resistant.
Speaker B:So she's like, I'm gonna suck your face.
Speaker B:But I can't.
Speaker B:Can't suck.
Speaker B:I can only blow.
Speaker B:So they make out.
Speaker A:That's real weird.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So try and stab her.
Speaker B:And then they make out.
Speaker B:So we go from there back to hell.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, you can't have my body to go run all over the world.
Speaker B:You can't be inside me, Lucifer.
Speaker A:And Lucifer's like, what the are you talking about?
Speaker A:You're working with Corrali.
Speaker A:Why can't you.
Speaker A:Like, why do you think God sent.
Speaker A:You know, sent you here?
Speaker B:And he was like, you can't say no to the visions from God.
Speaker B:And once again, if God or Lucifer or anybody tells you that the visions in your head are a message from God and that you were chosen to do something, you were in a cult, and you need to call the police.
Speaker B:Okay, so we go from there back to Canada, where Dean's like, why is this kiss happening?
Speaker A:Why.
Speaker A:Why are we making out?
Speaker B:Why are we making out right now?
Speaker B:I didn't.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What happened?
Speaker A:And she's like, oh, it's a future.
Speaker A:We're bonded since, you know, since you set me free.
Speaker A:It's our destiny to be together.
Speaker A:She's the Original mark.
Speaker A:So that's why she was the original mark and bears it on her chest.
Speaker A:And she's like, so we're going to be together.
Speaker A:We're gonna become one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the way she says it also sounds like the way she was talking about eating those souls.
Speaker B:So we are going to become one.
Speaker B:And don't you want that?
Speaker B:Don't you want to be one with a Dark?
Speaker B:And Dean's like, maybe, maybe not.
Speaker B:But then we get interrupted by some angels.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Three of the rebellious angels are there because they are going to confront Amara, and they have conspired with a bunch of angels that are prepped in Heaven, and they are going to blast her away.
Speaker B:There's gonna be a single unified smiting.
Speaker A:Everyone is going to the big smite at this.
Speaker B:It's gonna be the big smite at the same time.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And they're like, not even you can do this.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And Dean's like, yo, can y' all chill out a little bit?
Speaker B:This is gonna kill a bunch of people.
Speaker B:And angels are like, you forget we're dicks, and we don't give a shit about people.
Speaker B:And so an angel is gonna come out with a marge for malvern.
Speaker B:She was like, oh.
Speaker B:And she's like, no.
Speaker B:And she's like, overhand throw.
Speaker B:And she flips her wrist so that a second angel then kills himself with this blade.
Speaker B:And then she's like, tiger cloth claw.
Speaker B:And she puts her hands into a tiger claw.
Speaker B:And then she does classic wax off.
Speaker B:And then the third angel is gone.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's like, what have you done?
Speaker A:And then the dark clouds swirl, and there's lightning.
Speaker A:And she poofs Dean.
Speaker A:And she opens her arms, and we have the clouds swirling in the beam of light.
Speaker A:The beam of attempted smote.
Speaker B:The smote and the smoking.
Speaker B:And then, like, he ends up back at his hot dog stand.
Speaker B:Did you get your dog, Dean?
Speaker B:Did that ever happen?
Speaker A:I think he did.
Speaker A:And that's just not fair.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:But I guess it's better to get it after the makeout than before.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:But everything still smells like hot dog water.
Speaker B:So we go back to Hell, which also probably smells like hot water.
Speaker B:Hot dog water.
Speaker B:And Lucifer wants to know if he's gonna get an invite inside Sam.
Speaker A:Sam's like, no, There has to be another way.
Speaker A:And right as he says that, the sigils fade.
Speaker A:The fire goes away.
Speaker A:The fire barrier goes away.
Speaker A:All the wards have failed, and Sam is now back in the cage.
Speaker B:He is in the cage, and there is apocalyptic music playing.
Speaker B:But Sam's calm because, you know, God.
Speaker B:God said this was gonna happen, you know, so it's not cool.
Speaker A:And Lucifer is like, yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's cool.
Speaker A:Except, you know, if that would make sense if you.
Speaker A:If it was God that told you any of this and if it was God talking.
Speaker A:Because when the darkness descended, the cage was damaged.
Speaker A:And I. I. Lucifer was able to.
Speaker B:Reach out, was so loud, it broke my case.
Speaker B:It just busted that right open.
Speaker B:And through that, he was able to reach out to Sam.
Speaker B:It was Lucifer all along.
Speaker B:God was never there.
Speaker A:That's upsetting.
Speaker B:There's no God.
Speaker B:There's only Lucifer.
Speaker A:There is no Dana.
Speaker A:Only Zool.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:And Sam's crying.
Speaker A:It's very sad.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And he's declining again to let Lucifer have his body, even though I only hope.
Speaker A:And there we go.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And so Lizard is like, you're, you know, top bunk, bottom bunk with Sharon.
Speaker B:And that's how they end.
Speaker B:Sa.
Speaker B:Back in the cage with Lucifer, dumbass.
Speaker B:And all right, so do we have any angels or.
Speaker B:Or people talk about casting couch.
Speaker B:It's the casting couch.
Speaker C:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker B:La la la la la.
Speaker A:Yeah, we just got a couple.
Speaker A:In this episode, this was mostly characters, actors we already knew and roles we already knew.
Speaker A:But our lead angel has been is played by the one that wants to be the leader.
Speaker A:He's played by Lane Edwards.
Speaker A:He's in about four episodes of Supernatural.
Speaker A:You may have also seen him in episodes of Fringe, Smallville, Hellcats, Arrow, the Whispers, Unreal Zoo, Riverdale, and the Good Doctor.
Speaker A:He was also a reoccurring character named Sheriff Duncan.
Speaker A:In Virgin river.
Speaker A:There was one other angels.
Speaker A:Daniel was played by Antonio Kion, and he's been in episodes of I, Zombie a few times, Loose for a few times, Bates Motel, X Files, Unreal, and Magicians.
Speaker A:Our third angel was Andre Joseph and been episodes of Izombie, Flash, Lucifer, Supergirl, Magicians, and the Good Doctor, Nancy Drew and Firefly Lane.
Speaker A:He was also Nate in a series called Allegiance as a reoccurring character.
Speaker A:Our priest was played by Tim Dixon.
Speaker A:He's been episodes of X Files and Happy Face.
Speaker A:He was Stephen in the movie Lake Placid.
Speaker A:And then our.
Speaker A:Our street preacher minister at the beginning was played by Ron Selmore.
Speaker B:He's so good.
Speaker A:He is.
Speaker A:He's been episodes of True Calling, Smallville a few times, Arrow a few times, Witches of East End, I Zombie, Batwoman, Chilling Adventures of Sabrina a couple times, Van Helsing, Riverdale, and Nancy Drew.
Speaker A:He was a security guard in Freddy Got Fingered.
Speaker A:He was a.
Speaker A:Another guard in Chronicles of Riddick.
Speaker A:He was Dex in Blade Trinity.
Speaker A: e was an officer in the movie: Speaker A:He was a homeless man in Tron Legacy and was Danforth in the movie Sucker Punch.
Speaker A:So you are not stoked on this episode?
Speaker A:I could tell.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:There's not a lot of action.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:You know, there's not a ton of story.
Speaker B:Yeah, there's.
Speaker B:You know, we get some, like, people get revealed information that we already knew.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So we had the three, like, God is the sister.
Speaker A:Rowena.
Speaker B:Amara is God's sister.
Speaker B:Was revealed three times to different, you know, to each of them.
Speaker B:And I'm like, well, we could have all done this at once.
Speaker B:Like, it just kind of felt like I didn't need to get each of your reactions to the six.
Speaker B:The sister thing.
Speaker B:And Is this really that big of a deal?
Speaker B:Why.
Speaker B:Why are we making such a big deal of God having a sister?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:And it just.
Speaker B:While the writing was great, you know, the.
Speaker B:I think it was the.
Speaker B:The episode moved along.
Speaker B:It just.
Speaker B:I don't know, it wasn't.
Speaker B:You know, there wasn't a lot of funness.
Speaker A:Yeah, I wouldn't say it was Bombersville either, but it also, like, the ending kind of.
Speaker A:It kind of is because you learned that Amara has no regard for souls and doesn't see the bad in consuming them after murdering a ton of people for no reason.
Speaker A:And then you find the big reveal at the end that Sam thought all along he was talking to God or he was having a message from God, but it really was from the Lucifer.
Speaker A:So those are kind of like, oh, no.
Speaker A:It's a lot of build up to get there.
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, that is a big climax to, like, the big reveal that it wasn't God, that it was Lucifer.
Speaker B:But it kind of feels womp, womp getting there, you know, Like.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't know why it was.
Speaker B:Kind of slow, like.
Speaker B:And maybe just because we're used to, like, fights.
Speaker B:Like, there wasn't a monster destroyed to get to the answer.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:The way they got to the.
Speaker B:And even you had, you know, Rowena and Crowley watching them as, like, this is going on.
Speaker B:Like, almost as if they were watching a play happen.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So even while they are experiencing it, I don't think it's quite as dramatic like, the.
Speaker A:Because they're not participating.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:It's kind of weird.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, there.
Speaker B:There definitely is life and death to Sam.
Speaker B:Being in the cage with Lucifer, it just didn't feel like, like the surprise.
Speaker B:I've seen it, but it just.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah, it just kind of like, is.
Speaker B:It just feels kind of like a womp, womp.
Speaker B:Like, okay, like.
Speaker B:Like it was good.
Speaker A:I was like, I found out, but I wasn't like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:You know, I don't think the episode didn't get me there, and I feel like it should have.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I appreciate a burning bush, though.
Speaker A:That was fun.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's the thing, you know, what can you do?
Speaker B:What can you do?
Speaker B:All right, so you pyrophyte.
Speaker B:All right, I guess.
Speaker B:On that note, we'll.
Speaker B:We'll end things until next time.
Speaker B:Cheers.
Speaker A:Jerk.
Speaker A:Cheers.
Speaker B:Devil is Trapped Trap podcast is a don't get it production.
Speaker A:Meow.
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Speaker A:Going up to the spirit in the sky?
Speaker A:When I die?
Speaker A:When I die and they lay me to rest?
Speaker A:I'm going to go to the place I.
