12:01 Keep Calm and Carry On
Season 12 is here! We talk Episode 1 "Keep Calm and Carry On" including the return of Lady Fancy Pants, the gratuitous Sam water scene, and Mary finally getting out of that effin nightgown. Liz introduces this season's lore theme of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, which may be the inspiration for the British Men of Letters, and tells part 1 of the story of Annie Kingsford (the founder of the Hermetic Society and possibly the world's first vegan influencer).
Research Links
- Supernatural Will Move To Prime Video After 13-Year Netflix Run
- Vivisection - Wikipedia
- Theosophy - Wikipedia
- Anna Kingsford and Helena Blavatsky – Arnaldo Sisson Filho and Marina Cesar
- Health, Beauty and the Toilet: Letters to Ladies from a Lady Doctor
- Red Cactus: The Life of Anna Kingsford - Alan Pert - Google Livros
- Madame Blavatsky's baboon : a history of the mystics, mediums, and misfits who brought spiritualism to America : Washington, Peter : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
- The Strange Story of Anna Kingsford - The Cabinet of Curiosity
- W. B. Yeats and "A Vision": The Hermetic Society
- Dennis Denisoff, “The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, 1888-1901” | BRANCH
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we feature Lady Fancy Pants, Butcher.
Speaker B:Woman, Fucking Anna, and Baby's Backseat.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devils Trap podcast.
Speaker B:We are Back with season 12, episode one.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:We don't remember how to do this anymore.
Speaker A:It feels like it's been a very long time.
Speaker A:What have you been up to.
Speaker A:In this time in between season 11 and season 12?
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's been a minute.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So we've saw some, you know, some music when there was a really cool event in Dallas called the Deep Ellen Block Party.
Speaker B:And I got to see a lot of music and events all over Deep Ellum neighborhood in one day.
Speaker B:And that was exciting and fun.
Speaker B:And then we had Thanksgiving and we found puppies and I got a bathroom renovated and I started baking and then the puppies got adopted.
Speaker B:So I don't have puppies.
Speaker B:And we're getting ready for the holidays.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:How about you?
Speaker A:Well, and so I took our break to go to New York City and I went and saw the Muppets on Broadway, which you can no longer see on Broadway because the show was so bad they closed it.
Speaker A:But, you know, I saw it before it closed, so there's that.
Speaker A:And then I went on the Creation Supernatural cruise with most of the people who are on Supernatural, and it was nutso.
Speaker A:There was only 150 people at that convention.
Speaker A:So it was just a lot of personal time with pretty much all the, all of the cast except for J2 and, you know, Bobby.
Speaker A:But, like, I got some quality time with Mark Shepard and I feel like I'll do a drinking game this season.
Speaker A:Every time, like, I dance with somebody, they show up and we'll make everyone take a drink.
Speaker A:But yeah, I feel like it got some, some good time with, with some good people, but it was, it was, it was definitely an experience.
Speaker A:So, like, I had adventure time with Mark Shepard where we went and ate hot dogs and talked about punk rock and life and love, and that was just like him and like nine other people or something.
Speaker A:So we just kind of.
Speaker A:That was really cool.
Speaker A:And I went snorkeling with Gil and that was.
Speaker A:Oh, man, the snorkeling wasn't great.
Speaker A:I. I feel bad saying that, but we've just.
Speaker A:We've snorkeled some good places.
Speaker B:Really good places.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And this was just like off the, the crappy island in the Bahamas that Royal Caribbean owns.
Speaker A:So it was just like, there was some cute fish, but it wasn't like snorkeling off our reef or anything.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And it's not like you can have a lot of quality conversations with somebody when you're snorkeling.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, so maybe.
Speaker A:But also, you know, it was fine, you know, and he's from South Texas, so I think that's always, you know, a fun thing to talk about.
Speaker A:So we got some.
Speaker A:Some Texas conversation in there.
Speaker A:And yeah, I went swimming with the pigs.
Speaker A:And that was not with any supernatural but people.
Speaker A:But there was, like, people from the con.
Speaker A:There just no celebs with me.
Speaker A:But I don't care because there are pigs and the pigs are adorable and there's tiny pigs and there's giant pigs.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:I realized the pig picture on our Instagram, too.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was like.
Speaker A:I realized I should be talking about, like, Ruth.
Speaker A:Ruth Cottle, like, grabbed me by the shoulder and told me she hoped I had a good time at a party.
Speaker A:And I felt like she was, like, really being sincere and talking to me, but I'm just like, pigs.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes, it's reasonable.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:So it was.
Speaker A:I don't know if there's going to be another one because of the turnout.
Speaker A:I think the logistics planning for it apparently, was not so easy.
Speaker A:Them so.
Speaker A:But from what I heard from the.
Speaker A:The cat, the crew.
Speaker A:The crew celebrities, they would like to do it again.
Speaker B:So cool.
Speaker A:But I don't know.
Speaker A:Like, it was.
Speaker A:That was the biggest cruise ship I've ever been on.
Speaker A:And that was the most.
Speaker A:That is more people than I like to be around and be stuck with.
Speaker A:And also there was a lot of families, although, like, I did.
Speaker A:And they will make you pay to get away from those children.
Speaker A:And they know that you will pay.
Speaker A:They were like, so it's like, oh, what this beach?
Speaker A:Like, no children.
Speaker A:Yes, I will pay to go to beach.
Speaker A:Oh, like this side of the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The boat.
Speaker A:Like, oh, that's something.
Speaker A:I will go find out wherever the children are not and go hang out there.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:Yeah, that makes sense, though.
Speaker B:But pictures were great.
Speaker B:Go look at our Instagram.
Speaker B:And I appreciated all the updates while you were there.
Speaker B:And I was a little Jo.
Speaker A:The panels were really great.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:I mean, they were the.
Speaker A:It was such a small crowd that they barely even had microphones out.
Speaker A:Like, they did do the standard thing where you would have people line up, you know, for the questions.
Speaker A:Just like, people.
Speaker A:This kind of, like, raised hands and just called out people in the audience.
Speaker A:So that's cool.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was a lot more personal.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was very Personal, A lot different vibe.
Speaker A:And yeah, so I think it was a little intense or some of the celebrities too, just like how, how personal it was.
Speaker B:But yeah, I could see that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But, you know, saw a lot of their legs.
Speaker A:Saw a lot of them in shorts, which is.
Speaker A:This is not something you typically see, but saw Rob Benedict's legs, very pale.
Speaker A:Matt Cohen's legs.
Speaker A:Those are really good.
Speaker A:He had really good legs.
Speaker A:He's also very, like, he's really happy with all the tattoos of his that he drew.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:But you know, he like, was just like showing them off and telling all the stories of them, but you're just, just showing off his thighs.
Speaker A:But you know, the dance part.
Speaker A:Great.
Speaker A:DJ Quals, of course, was just the nicest dude ever.
Speaker A:Like, Like, I can't.
Speaker A:If anybody has like a bad story to talk about him, like, well, I'll punch you in the face.
Speaker A:But I don't.
Speaker A:Just don't think it would exist.
Speaker B:I think you're right.
Speaker B:I think it's impossible.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you.
Speaker A:God bless DJ Quall.
Speaker A:So, yeah, he.
Speaker A:He was just really.
Speaker A:He was really fun on it, as per us.
Speaker A:And yeah, it's.
Speaker A:I. I don't know what else to say about it.
Speaker A:But yeah, the pan, like the panels I said were good.
Speaker A:Those were really, really personal.
Speaker A:Got to hear some African stories and activities.
Speaker B:Make it a little different instead of just panels.
Speaker B:That's kind of cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:The hard thing though, I mean, I will say this is in order to really do a lot of things, you would have had to spend a lot of money.
Speaker B:Yeah, I got that vibe from when you.
Speaker B:We and I were talking.
Speaker B:When you were planning.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because everything that you do, I mean you can do things on that that are not add ons, but anytime, which is fair, but anytime with a celebrity.
Speaker A:So any adventure, you know, cost money.
Speaker A:So filling up your time, if you wanted to do those things did cost.
Speaker A:But there are also, I mean, this cost a lot less than a lot of the auctions for VIP meet and greets than at the other conventions because there were so few there.
Speaker A:Like nobody, Nobody.
Speaker A:Like they pretty much just were flat out value, you know, like, so there was enough to go around.
Speaker A:I guess that's how I'm saying it.
Speaker B:So makes sense.
Speaker A:So that is, you know, but that's my perspective on the creation.
Speaker A:2025 cruise.
Speaker B:Thanks.
Speaker B:Thanks tour guide.
Speaker A:Liz.
Speaker A:Thanks, tour guide.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And now what?
Speaker A:Like some.
Speaker A:Some just general ESPN fam news.
Speaker A:Besides that Jared show is getting developed, so Supernatural is leaving Netflix on December 17.
Speaker A:But it moves to Prime Video on December 1, and you will also be able to watch it on Peacock.
Speaker A:So, yes, that is just the thing that is happening.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:That'll be an interesting transition.
Speaker B:For sure.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Yeah, everybody's been talking about the new Jared shows.
Speaker B:That's exciting, too.
Speaker A:He's gonna be a doctor in the country.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:All right, so let's get into season 12.
Speaker A:And season 12 is here.
Speaker A:And season 12 has some special things in it.
Speaker A:And our first episode, which is Keep Calm and Carry on.
Speaker A:And Keep Calm and Carry on was slogan for the British government during World War II.
Speaker A:And Dean has mentioned it.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:And it was directed by the man whose name I learned that I've been saying wrong this whole time while I was on the cruise, but I can't remember the right way to say it.
Speaker A:So now I'm just, like, terrified and looking at his name.
Speaker A:And so his first name is Phil, and he wears really great suits.
Speaker A:And it could be like.
Speaker A:Because I always said Scritchia.
Speaker A:But that's not it, apparently.
Speaker A:It's like, scratch.
Speaker A:Why she.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But it was something way more Italian and is how Richard Spate said it.
Speaker A:I was like, oh.
Speaker A:But it was.
Speaker A:It was live, so it wasn't like I could go back.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I tried searching online, seeing, like, maybe there's an interview where somebody like.
Speaker A:And there isn't.
Speaker A:Oh, I think maybe he was on one of their podcasts.
Speaker A:Yeah, their podcast has, like, millions of downloads.
Speaker A:And they kept saying that.
Speaker A:And I was at.
Speaker A:Wanted him to stop.
Speaker A:Y' all are making.
Speaker A:It kind of made me feel bad.
Speaker A:But anyway, so Phil s. Directed this, and it was written by Andrew Dab.
Speaker A:And as a.
Speaker A:We start off, you know, with the Road so far.
Speaker A:And so that's.
Speaker A:Was actually.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:That was good.
Speaker A:If you.
Speaker A:I always recommend when people watch the.
Speaker A:The Road so Far to see the recaps and the things that were important from last season that they wanted to point out.
Speaker A:Sam's been shot.
Speaker B:And the song that they're playing on the Netflix version is Bad Boys by April Wine.
Speaker B:It is, but so.
Speaker A:And we kind of get the summary.
Speaker B:Though, you know, of where things left off.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And San's been shot.
Speaker A:He thinks Dean is dead.
Speaker A:Amer Amara brought Mary back in the dead from the dead in that nightgown.
Speaker A:And that's where we're at.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And so we open with Dean and Mary looking at each other in the middle of a.
Speaker B:Of a park at night.
Speaker B:And Dean's was trying to get a cemetery.
Speaker B:Is it?
Speaker B:Oh, I thought it was a. Yeah.
Speaker A:I think it's the cemetery that made more sense.
Speaker B:And so he was trying to get a cell signal to figure out where the he was because he was in the that garden with Amara and Chuck and just wandered on.
Speaker B:So he's trying to figure out where he is, and now he's like, wait, mom, are you real?
Speaker B:He tries to touch her, and she's like, who the are you?
Speaker B:She puts him on the ground.
Speaker B:Pretty funny.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, no, I'm your son.
Speaker B:She's like, no, my son's 4 years old.
Speaker B:And then it gets sad because now she starts remembering that she died.
Speaker B:And that seems very traumatic.
Speaker B:That seems like something pretty upsetting to recall.
Speaker B:And so she lets him up, and Dean's, like, rattling off facts to prove who he is because dad told him all of these things.
Speaker B:And he describes the story of John and Mary meeting and their first date, and then how they had Dean and they had Sammy, and then.
Speaker B:And she's like, and then I burned and realizes that she's been gone for 33 years.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And then he says, hi, mom, and they hug.
Speaker A:And then I get something in my eye.
Speaker A:And then we get the season's title card, which looks like a lot like the minute letter sign.
Speaker A:What could that mean?
Speaker B:Well, we cut to a young man driving a truck through, like, on a dirt road, like, in a field.
Speaker B:And we've got diesel smoke.
Speaker B:Dangerous Curves by Tom Powder playing It's a strong music episode.
Speaker B:Not every episode has, like.
Speaker B:Titled music, so it's kind of interesting that they paid for.
Speaker B:Yeah, Like, a lot of times it's.
Speaker A:Just like, you know, sometimes doing Chuck doing covers.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so we get a ball of fire, cuts through a billboard, and hits the ground next to the dirt road.
Speaker B:And this guy, of course, gets out of his truck to investigate what the just fell out of the sky.
Speaker B:Like you do.
Speaker B:And it's Cass, Jessie, all crawls out of the ground.
Speaker A:And this is the first time that we have an angel being.
Speaker A:When they get done with a signal showing them being like a cannon going through the sky somewhere.
Speaker A:So that is now what?
Speaker A:Now we know that's what's happening when you hit a sigil.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's pretty awful and kind of hilarious.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:All of the things.
Speaker B:And so this guy's like.
Speaker B:Or Casiel's like, where am I?
Speaker B:And the guy's like, earth.
Speaker B:Seems, like, pretty reasonable.
Speaker A:The guy, like, thinks one.
Speaker A:He seems like a stoner So I automatically love him.
Speaker A:But he's just like.
Speaker A:I'm assuming you're an alien.
Speaker A:That's just.
Speaker A:I mean, like.
Speaker B:I mean, obviously.
Speaker B:And guys like, no.
Speaker B:How far am I from Lebanon?
Speaker B:Kansas?
Speaker B:The guy's like, three hours maybe.
Speaker B:And so Cass boops him unconscious and steals his truck.
Speaker B:Poor guy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You don't have a kind of truck that is.
Speaker A:You're gonna want to look it up, probably.
Speaker A:I think this is becoming castle struck.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, so eventually you'll look it up.
Speaker A:All right, so he's now committed grand theft.
Speaker A:Lars.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Back to Dean and Mary.
Speaker A:And Mary wants to know how John died.
Speaker A:And Dean just, like, you know, he gave himself up for me.
Speaker A:And this is all just kind of like, really sad.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:She's surprised that he's a hunter and that John was like, an.
Speaker A:And raised him and Sam that way.
Speaker A:And then Dean has to go through all the times in the past that.
Speaker B:They'Ve met that she can't remember because her memory was wiped.
Speaker B:But he remembers.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:This is so like.
Speaker B:Oh, it's very uncomfortable.
Speaker A:It's kind of like, did Amara do you with a favor here, man?
Speaker A:Like, this is maybe not so great.
Speaker A:So they get all caught up now, and he's just like, we're gonna go home.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And who do we go to but Lady Fancy Pants?
Speaker A:And there is just Lady Fancy Pants knocking on a door.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:To.
Speaker B:She is getting the attention of Dr. Gregory Marion because she needs his help.
Speaker B:And he's annoyed because it's 6am this lady's banging on his door, but she says it's an emergency.
Speaker B:Even though he's a veterinarian, she needs his help because she's got Sam bound and gagged in the back of the Escalade with a.38.
Speaker B:Slug in his leg.
Speaker A:Rude.
Speaker B:And the doctor's like, this veterinarian's poor dude's like, no.
Speaker B:So they threaten him and pay him off.
Speaker B:So they threaten him with a pistol and show much shit's on a cat.
Speaker A:You know, like, what's gonna work, right?
Speaker A:I mean, he's not afraid of being threatened, you know?
Speaker A:And then we go somewhere and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And we find Crowley.
Speaker A:And he has found someone with their eyes burnt out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he is hides because two demons show up that are there to clean up this mess, basically.
Speaker B:And they are discussing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The most amazing comedy relief, like, ever.
Speaker A:Jarvis and the other demon.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And they're discussing if this is stupid.
Speaker B:But they're just doing what Lucifer says.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:They're talking.
Speaker B:And while Crowley's hiding, one of them tell talks about his experience possessing a 14 year old girl and not crying about baes and the busted ass bitch on ice.
Speaker A:Hard.
Speaker A:Being a 14 year old girl is pretty good.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But you've got all those hormones and Crowley has pulled out an angel blade at these things.
Speaker A:But our.
Speaker A:Our demon minions just get to cleaning because they're good little minions.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker B:Go and see Tony on the phone with her child in a safe house.
Speaker B:She is now in her.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker A:The way she talks to her kid on the phone just makes me hate her even more.
Speaker A:Just like, oh, so Tony, babe, so sorry that I'm not going to be there.
Speaker A:Just lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.
Speaker A:And just.
Speaker A:Oh God, I hate her so much.
Speaker A:But so.
Speaker A:And Sam doesn't have any shoes on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's barefoot, chained to a chair.
Speaker B:And there's a woman who.
Speaker B:And I. I didn't know her name at this point.
Speaker B:I think I call her Woman then I call her Torture Woman.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But her name is Ms. Watt.
Speaker A:Her name is Ms. Watts.
Speaker A:And I just pulled that from the transcript.
Speaker A:They don't say it in this episode.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker A:And did she die?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so you just don't really know that.
Speaker A:But I mean you could also call her Lady.
Speaker A:I think I had her as there's a few others.
Speaker A:I think I had another choice names.
Speaker B:For her in here.
Speaker A:But yeah, she is Ms. Watts.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she cattle prod Sam to wake him as Tony comes down because she's going to come interview Sam.
Speaker B:Apparently that's her plan.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, I'm going to kill you both and then walk back to town, y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:But Toni's like, no, that's not what's going to happen.
Speaker A:She gets really offended when Sam calls it the Englishman of Letters.
Speaker A:And she's like, yo, no, it's the British.
Speaker B:Just funny.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:But we find out that the British Men of Letters have been watching Sam and Dean for a while now and.
Speaker A:And kind of like we've been watching them just up the world and just being like.
Speaker B:But I like that Sam's like then where were you when we needed help?
Speaker B:And she's like, that's a fair question.
Speaker B:But some of us really want to get involved.
Speaker B:But the old men wouldn't allow it.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They thought getting.
Speaker A:The old men thought getting involved was overstepping their bounds.
Speaker A:And he promises.
Speaker A:She's like, look, you know, I'll answer Whatever.
Speaker A:Which is kind of like, I feel like they escalated this very quickly, right?
Speaker A:Like, we've already gone to like shooting and cattle prodding and they couldn't really just be talking here.
Speaker A:And she's just like, look, you all tell answer whatever you want, you know, and.
Speaker A:And then you can walk out of here.
Speaker A:And Sam's just like, fudge you.
Speaker B:You already shot me, bitch.
Speaker B:Screw you.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So he's like, I.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:She's like, he's like, no, I've been tortured by the devil himself.
Speaker B:And you're an accent in a pantsuit.
Speaker B:And so then that's when, that's when they decide to start pouring cold water.
Speaker A:On him because he did have to poke the bear, right?
Speaker A:And sometimes just like, you know, you could have.
Speaker A:You went a little.
Speaker A:You did, you kept pushing it.
Speaker A:And then they start some water and then start with some Gloria's Padalecki getting soaked wet footage.
Speaker A:And it is, you know, a lot of girls dreams, but also very wasteful.
Speaker B:It's not water conservation.
Speaker A:It's not water conservation.
Speaker A:They are on a farm.
Speaker A:This is probably coming from a well.
Speaker A:I'm like, you're going to burn out a pump.
Speaker A:Your well's going to break.
Speaker A:You're going to have to call somebody.
Speaker A:You're not going to have any water for a week.
Speaker A:You're not going to flush a toilet like this.
Speaker A:Water boarding is not a good use of water.
Speaker A:I'm just saying.
Speaker A:Saying.
Speaker A:So we go from what I guessing is waterboarding, is that.
Speaker B:Yeah, kind of.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:And it isn't.
Speaker A:Because waterboarding, like you have it, it goes in your mouth, right?
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:Where it's like on your face.
Speaker B:A little bit more face centric, I thought.
Speaker B:And it was like more like face mouth, like you're drowning.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And I don't think the water temperature is important in waterboarding.
Speaker B:I think this is supposed to be very uncomfortable because it's cold.
Speaker A:Oh, I thought this is just more flash Dancy.
Speaker B:Oh, what to.
Speaker A:He's a maniac.
Speaker A:Maniac.
Speaker B:He is a maniac.
Speaker A:I do have, I do have an amazing photo of Brianna Buckmaster's hair going.
Speaker A:I think, I think you may have posted it where it's going.
Speaker A:And she was dancing that she was dancing to Maniac.
Speaker A:Just so you know.
Speaker A:So we go from the water torture to the bunker and Mary's just like.
Speaker B:Men of Letters is real and she found clothes.
Speaker B:She is no longer in a nightgown.
Speaker A:She's just like, thank God.
Speaker A:God I can burn that thing.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But as they're walking into the bunker, they realize there is blood on the ground.
Speaker B:And that is not good.
Speaker B:So Dean's gonna go poke around with a gun looking for Sam or Cass.
Speaker B:And they see this sigil on the wall, which is not a good sign.
Speaker B:So he gives Mary the emergency pistol that's strapped under the table.
Speaker B:I was to supposed amused by.
Speaker B:And they tells her to stay put, which she immediately doesn't do.
Speaker B:And wanders off.
Speaker A:Left her alone.
Speaker A:I would have taken her.
Speaker A:Like, I feel like this.
Speaker A:That seems like a.
Speaker A:So he makes the choice of leaving there.
Speaker A:And so she stops and she looks at the books, because that's what I would do.
Speaker A:But a loud bang causes her to hide and then pull a gun on Castiel.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she is like telling.
Speaker B:Put his hands in the air.
Speaker B:But luckily.
Speaker B:And Cass is like, where's Sam?
Speaker B:And anyways, luckily, Dean walks in and breaks up this almost.
Speaker B:Almost very bad situation.
Speaker B:And Cassiel is shocked that Dean's alive because he also thought Dean was dead because of the soul bomb.
Speaker B:And everybody's looking for Sam.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B:Dean explains that Cassiel is an angel, not a hunter.
Speaker B:And Dean introduces Castiel to his mom.
Speaker B:Hey, Mom's my best friend here.
Speaker B:And yeah, so there we go.
Speaker B:And he talks about how he.
Speaker B:Castiel explains that he was blasted away at 2:12am so Dean swiftly hacks all the traffic cams and is able to find exactly the SUV running a stoplight like, four minutes later.
Speaker A:So why are still.
Speaker A: e at the bunker or some like,: Speaker A:I think it's a complete fail.
Speaker A:I think this is a fail.
Speaker A:But we do finally cut from that to the garage where they finally put Baby in the garage.
Speaker A:Yes, finally.
Speaker B:I was very excited about our garage scene.
Speaker B:I was pumped.
Speaker B:And Mary is very excited to see Baby.
Speaker B:She has a little bit of a moment gazing at the back seat of Baby, and Dean gets very uncomfortable.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker A:And then you're like, ew, like every Winchester is in there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:A lot of Winchester sex in that crowd.
Speaker A:That's a lot of Winchester sex.
Speaker A:Jews.
Speaker A:At least vinyl washes off, I guess.
Speaker B:But at least that car's been wrecked enough that the seats have probably been recently upholstered.
Speaker A:Things that are in the.
Speaker A:Are in the Impala when they take it off the conventions.
Speaker A:Do you want to get in the backseat?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Absolutely not.
Speaker B:So, all right, we go back to the.
Speaker B:What is this?
Speaker A:I'm just calling It.
Speaker A:The farmhouse.
Speaker B:The farmhouse.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:We're back at the farmhouse basement where Sam is wet and shivering.
Speaker A:Title of my next sex tape.
Speaker A:Well, he's still stuck on screw you and.
Speaker A:And then starts.
Speaker A:You know, she starts evil monologuing and.
Speaker A:But some of the things are pretty important and also kind of strange things to learn.
Speaker A:So basically, Lady Fancy Pants Tony tells Sam that they have warded all of Britain.
Speaker A:So the moment that a monster, like, steps anywhere, like inside, like, anywhere the uk, like, there's an alarm and then they like, take them out and they kill them.
Speaker A:And they've been killing all the monsters.
Speaker A:Monsters.
Speaker A: a monster related death since: Speaker B:That's crazy.
Speaker A:How does nobody know this?
Speaker B:It's weird.
Speaker B:Also, I.
Speaker B:That also I was like, that seems like one of those things where it's like, well, also Britain's a lot smaller than the United States.
Speaker B:Like, that's.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:There.
Speaker B:It's like a state.
Speaker A:There is that.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I mean, you're like, I feel like we're not gonna get into the who's.
Speaker A:Who's.
Speaker A:Who's this bigger fight here.
Speaker B:But I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
Speaker A:Like, wouldn't someone like, wouldn't Crowley be like, don't go to England to get.
Speaker B:They're going to kill.
Speaker B:Why are there no demons there?
Speaker B:Like, what the you think you mention that.
Speaker A:So I have problems with.
Speaker A:With this.
Speaker A:And so that we're going to go to lore.
Speaker A:That was how we did our lore translation.
Speaker A:All right, so.
Speaker A:And the reason we're going to lore is we're talking about the British Men of Letters, the season, and not the English.
Speaker A:The British.
Speaker A:And a lot of people, including the supernatural wiki, say that the British letters is like the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn.
Speaker A: group in the late night, late: Speaker A:Anyways, we will get to them.
Speaker A:That topic is huge.
Speaker A:And spoiler alert, the British Men of Letters is not going away after this episode.
Speaker A:So we're gonna have some theme lore this season.
Speaker A:And that theme will be the Golden Dawn.
Speaker A:And today we are going to talk about a precursor to the order.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But first we're going to need some definitions for the season and for today.
Speaker A:And these are words that I find myself having to look up over and over again.
Speaker A:So I just kind of thought of like, let's just kind of.
Speaker A:Here is a quick nerd review on some nerd words.
Speaker A:So esoteric.
Speaker B:It's our glossary day.
Speaker A:It's our glossary day.
Speaker A:Okay, so the word esoteric.
Speaker A:And I'm not going to put Diana on the spot, make her defend, define any of these because they're also kind of hard to define.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Which is why we're going over.
Speaker A:So that is something that's intended to be understood by a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest.
Speaker A:But if I say the word esoteric Christianity, I'm talking about a mystical approach to Christianity that features secret traditions that require an initiation to learn or understand.
Speaker A:And in terms of the person we're talking about this week, they also present the idea that Christianity was not a new religion when it appeared, but an improvement or formulation of a doctrine that was long pre.
Speaker A:Existing.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So super secret mystery part of Christianity.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So they want to go into the, the, the, the, the, the unknown, the esoteric.
Speaker A:So but if I say the word esoteric knowledge, we're usually talking about things like alchemy or astrology or magic with a K. Right.
Speaker A:So those type of things get bunched under that term.
Speaker A:The term hermeticism is about a system where they believe there's divine wisdom that's to a few, but those few can learn to become one with higher realities.
Speaker A:And you can learn it additionally like something.
Speaker A:Like it was.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:It also means solitary.
Speaker A:So that's hermeticism we're talking about at some point theosophy, which was a 19th century occult movement which we've talked about here before.
Speaker A:But real quick recap on that.
Speaker A:That was a movement that had an emphasis on esoteric doctrine that was led by Madame Helena Blavatsk Bloatsky, who believed that there was an ancient, ancient and secret brotherhood of spiritual adepts known as the Masters who were found around the world, but primarily in Tibet.
Speaker A:And those masters had all the wisdom of the world and they told Blavatsky about it and then she told all the theosophists.
Speaker A:So that's pretty cool.
Speaker A:And thankfully this last word we're only going to need to know for this episode.
Speaker A:And then I just want to forget it.
Speaker A:And that's vivisection and that is performing surgery on living organisms.
Speaker A:The word can be a catch all for just animal experimentation in general.
Speaker A:However, in the time period we're discussing today in Surgery on Live Animals Like Dogs book.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:All right, let's get into this.
Speaker A:The primary source for this was Alan Part's Red Cactus, the Life of Annie Kingsford.
Speaker A:Additional sources are in the show notes.
Speaker A:So we're going to talk about Anna Kingsford a woman you have probably never heard of.
Speaker A:And she would become known as one of England's first women doctors, a staunch women's and animal rights activist.
Speaker A:But she also founded what would be a forerunner to the Hermetic Order of the golden dawn.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:Although time wise, not all of those reached to adulthood.
Speaker A:Annie was said to have been strong willed and independent minded.
Speaker A:Again, I kind of feel a strong urge to add for a girl, but I think that's going to be implied a lot throughout this.
Speaker A:But you can add it in your head like you would add in bed to a fortune cookie.
Speaker A:So she began writing and publishing at an early age.
Speaker A:Her first novel with the banger title of Beatrice, A Tale of the Early Christians, was out when she was 17, although she may have written it as early as 13.
Speaker A:So she's writing running pretty early, goes to finishing school where she won first prize in English competitions, but got in trouble for questioning the religious doctrine a little too much, which I get.
Speaker A: , in: Speaker A:And for each of his surviving daughters he left 5,000 pounds each, plus an equal share of the residue, which I think maybe is like interest of the estate, I'm not quite sure.
Speaker A:But that was put into trust funds for them.
Speaker A:And in his will her father made it explicit that their husbands, if they had them, could not have power over the interest they received from their trust fund.
Speaker A:And just aside from being kind of unusual for the time, this would influence some things that happened later in her life.
Speaker A: year in US dollars today, in: Speaker A:Substantial because it kind of gives her some options.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And so, and obviously she was raised in a household that was somewhat progressive in terms of women's education and just obviously her dad was like, you don't have to get married, here's the money.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:So though she didn't need to need to work, she wanted to give it a go.
Speaker A:And this feels very down.
Speaker A:1966, she applied for a clerkship at a local solicitor's office and according to Alan Parr, the solicitor listened with mingled interest and amusement, sat her at a desk and gave her some copying to do.
Speaker A:Then he went and called at her house and reported the incident to her family.
Speaker A:And then she realized that he was just being an.
Speaker A:Which is like, you jerk, look, you need to do that.
Speaker A:Like, why'd you play that?
Speaker A:The following year, she started a petition calling for women to have the right to control their property after marriage.
Speaker A:And she also married her cousin Algernon Kingsford, much to her mother's chagrin.
Speaker A:Anna was thought to be quite pretty, had an impressive dowry and could have married a rich man, which Algernon was not.
Speaker A:He was just a clerk.
Speaker A:Anna would later say it was because he promised not to interfere with any career she chose.
Speaker A:And she thought a rich man would want her to manage a big house and do other wifely things.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And this was not a time when privileged women had careers.
Speaker A:Women still worked.
Speaker A:About 30% of women in the UK had paid employment.
Speaker A:Majority that was in domestic service businesses and textiles.
Speaker A: Today in: Speaker A:Lots of, you know, you know, with those, they're SATs.
Speaker A:So but, you know, that is a big difference.
Speaker A:But still it was still unusual for her just wanting to be.
Speaker A:Do anything.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:But being that strong, strong minded person.
Speaker A:When her mom opposed her marriage, Anna and Algernon just off together for a couple of weeks, long enough to scandalize her mom into accepting the marriage.
Speaker A:Marriage, however, Anna would say it was a chaste vacation.
Speaker A:So they get married when Algernon was 22 and Anna was 21.
Speaker A:Shockingly, like not appalling for the time.
Speaker A:I always feel like when we do these stories, like she was 14 and he was 20, you know, like he was 95.
Speaker B:That's a very reasonable.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So Algernon became curate and assistant to a parish priest or vicar in the Anglican church of Atram Shropshire, a village some four miles southeast of Shre Shrewsbury.
Speaker A:This fact is not that important, but it is fun to say.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:And she told her friend the chief reason was because she wanted to avoid the routine of the vicar's wife.
Speaker A:Not because she really was like into being Catholic.
Speaker A:So as a Catholic, she didn't really have.
Speaker B:She just wanted to rebel against her husband.
Speaker A:Well, she didn't want to go sit at his services, so she doesn't have to go sit at any of his masses or like go to like any of the church social things that figures wives with are expected to do har.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Just a way to get out of that.
Speaker A:Like she's like, I don't want to deal with like Peggy, like trying to, like, suck up to the vicar's wife.
Speaker B:Oh, no, man.
Speaker A:So, yeah, this is also the year she turns vegetarian and starts telling everybody, everyone about it.
Speaker A:I was going to give you a spoiler about Annie.
Speaker A:If Annie was our friend, we would call her Annie.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I'm just telling you right now, that was.
Speaker A:That is what we would call her.
Speaker A: All right, so Annie, in: Speaker A: paper had been running since: Speaker A:Anna lasted four issues.
Speaker A:She would not take any advertisements for corsets or leather products.
Speaker A:She removed all domestic fashion and gossip features and replaced them with articles on temperance, women's rights and vivisection.
Speaker A:The new subtitle was A Journal of Taste, Progress and Thought.
Speaker A:The very first article was Coffee Houses or Gin Palaces by Alice Bel, which AV advocated for coffee houses to counteract the gin palaces.
Speaker A:She also included her address for a donation so she could open one.
Speaker A:Articles including pieces on teaching women to dress and decorate their houses tastefully, Women's Education and the first chapters of Anna's novel In My Lady's.
Speaker A:A Story of her Deceased Husband's brother.
Speaker A:I'm pretty sure I typed that correctly.
Speaker A:I double checked it.
Speaker A:That was the actual title.
Speaker A:So the second.
Speaker A:The second and third issues started with articles against vivisection.
Speaker A:You will be happy to know, after closing down the paper, Anna did finish that novel and renamed it In My Lady's Chamber.
Speaker A:A speculative romance touching a few questions of the day.
Speaker A:Day nailed it.
Speaker A: onym Colossa in the spring of: Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:That year she also meets the fangirl turned friend, Florence Finwich Miller.
Speaker A:Flo in a.
Speaker A:In a letter explains what it was like to have Anna over for dinner.
Speaker A:Knowing her to be a vegetarian, we made the family meal that she was to share.
Speaker A:On that line.
Speaker A:I consulted a young man I knew, an enthusiast for pure diet diet who subsequently gave up his other business to found one of the most successful of London's vegetarian restaurants.
Speaker A:He suggested lentil omelette served with grilled mushrooms, macaroni cheese and stewed apples and cream.
Speaker A:My brothers enjoyed this vegetarian luncheon hugely, but our guests partook very sparingly of each course.
Speaker A:She really enjoyed the dessert, some grapes and other fruit for she announced she had recently come to the conclusion that the proper and natural food for man was uncooked, therefore, mainly fruits and nuts.
Speaker A:And that's what it's like to have Annie at your house over for dinner.
Speaker A:All right, so through she went.
Speaker B:Did she go raw, vegan?
Speaker B:After she went vegetarian, she went pretty much.
Speaker A:Well, and.
Speaker A:And didn't even like.
Speaker A:She's like, so I'm coming to your house, you're gonna make me this special vegetarian meal, and then I'm gonna tell you afterwards, I'm not gonna eat any of it.
Speaker A:And then I only want to eat that's raw.
Speaker A:And then I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker A:And I'm gonna probably tell you why.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:Extensively.
Speaker A:So, yeah, basically, we've got a vegan here.
Speaker A:Sorry, no offense.
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker A:I was a vegan, so I feel like I allowed to say things.
Speaker A:All right, so it is through her friend Florence.
Speaker B:So that it's not about being vegan or vegetarian.
Speaker B:It's about how you communicate it.
Speaker B:Yes, that's.
Speaker B:And how you handled it.
Speaker B:That's the thing.
Speaker B:Go ahead.
Speaker A:I. I would have eat.
Speaker A:I would have eaten the lentil omelette.
Speaker A:The meal sounds very interesting.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So through.
Speaker A:Through her friend, though, we learned some more.
Speaker A:So we learned that Algernon and Anna are now living together as brother and.
Speaker A:And sister.
Speaker A:They're no longer.
Speaker A:We don't know why.
Speaker A:They just stop.
Speaker A:We also learned that Anna loves guinea pigs, especially a big reddish brown male named Rufus who traveled with her in a specialty built basket.
Speaker A:Okay, I like her a little more for that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we get some insight into what kind of mom she was with describing Edith.
Speaker A:Did I tell you that her child's name, Edith is spelled E, A, D, I, T, H?
Speaker A:No, that's how she named a child.
Speaker A:That's a new child.
Speaker A:Spelled it Edith.
Speaker A:All right, so Florence said she was not at all a pretty child, totally unlike her beautiful mama.
Speaker A:I dare say she simplified the ancient theory of heredity and resembles her grandfather, the successful ship owner.
Speaker A:Anyhow, she was much enjoying the changes of heck here and coiffer when her mama, hearing her chat.
Speaker A:Chat.
Speaker A:Hearing our chat and laughter, looked in at the door to say coldly, don't take much notice of that child.
Speaker A:If you encourage her, she will be bothering you all the time.
Speaker A:Yeah, so maybe she wasn't the racist.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Rude.
Speaker A:All right, so Anna decides she wants to go to medical school.
Speaker A:And this is where she takes the name Anna.
Speaker A:She's been Annie before, but it's also like Nina or Ninja or something.
Speaker A:But she goes With Anna now has to try and figure out how to get into medical school.
Speaker A:Kind of thinks about maybe I can, like, dress up as a dude.
Speaker A:Thankfully, like, she.
Speaker A:She has, like, an experiment where she tries it and, like, I think they do some, like, weird role playing with her husband, but that she decides that that's not the way she's gonna go.
Speaker A:So she's gonna end up going to school in Paris this year.
Speaker A:She also meets this dude named Edward Maitland, a widower and writer who becomes fucking obsessed with her.
Speaker A:He describes Anna as more fairy than human and more child than woman.
Speaker A:For though really 27, she appeared scarcely 17 scene.
Speaker A:And made expressly to be caressed, petted and indulged.
Speaker A:And by no means to be taken seriously.
Speaker A:Oh, if I could go back in time and punch somebody in the nads for something they wrote, it would be this one.
Speaker A:He deserves a nag punch for that.
Speaker A:So gross.
Speaker A:But these two would, like, pretty much become inseparable until she dies.
Speaker A:But I don't think it was romantic on Anna's side.
Speaker A:I think this dude was obsessed with her and stalking her and.
Speaker A:And I think she put up with them because they work together kind of.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A: n Paris School of medicine in: Speaker A: In: Speaker A:And when she graduated, there was, like, 18 women all together enrolled in.
Speaker A:But there's still like 18 women at that point.
Speaker A:They made progress.
Speaker A:Alon, though, at.
Speaker A:At his request sends Maitland with Anna to Paris.
Speaker A:The enrollment.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Like, it's weird.
Speaker A:Like, her husband sends this dude with her, but apparently it was platonic.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:She gets.
Speaker A:Anna starts having all these, like, visions and lucid dreamings.
Speaker A:She becomes more active in her opposition to vivisection.
Speaker A:And the following is part of Anna's legend.
Speaker A:And we have Maitland to thank for it.
Speaker A:It probably didn't happen, but it's too good to leave out.
Speaker A:So Anna's teacher, Dr. Claude Bernard, was lecturing about slowly baking live animals to death to study how body temperature works.
Speaker A:And that pissed Anna off so much she flew out of her seat, yelled murderer, and then fled the classroom.
Speaker A:After her outburst at Dr. Bernard, Anna says she became a spiritual thunderbolt and willed him dead, fainting from her fury and effort.
Speaker A:Maitland says she wrote him.
Speaker A:Woe be to the torturers.
Speaker A:I will make it dangerous, nay deadly, to be a vivisector.
Speaker A:It is only the argument that will affect them.
Speaker A:Then she went after Paul Burt, a doctor notorious for his use of vivisection.
Speaker A: He died in November of: Speaker A:Kingsford then wrote again, I have killed Paul Burkes as I killed Claude Bernard, as I will kill Louis Pasteur, and after him, the whole tribe of vivisect actors.
Speaker A:It is a magnificent power to have and one that transcends all vulgar methods of dealing out justice to tyrants.
Speaker A:So whether or not she wrote or said any of that, one of the strongest arguments against that is that it kind of goes against the magic that she practices.
Speaker A:And Louis Pastor did not die before Anna.
Speaker A:We do know that she took to private classes to avoid dealing with vivisection.
Speaker A:And she graduated without ever having to perform vivisection on any of the animals at med school, which was good for her.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:She starts getting more and more visions.
Speaker A:Maitland is recording them.
Speaker A:Sometimes they were hypnagogic dreams.
Speaker A:Sometimes she was in a trance while Maitland asked her questions.
Speaker A:Maitland swears she never took drugs or was induced by mese mesmerism or hypnotism to receive the visions.
Speaker A:Just the intense direction of will.
Speaker A:Although sometimes she inhaled chloroform for her asthma, and that made her lucent.
Speaker A:But everyone just inhaled chloroform all the time back then, right?
Speaker A:So it was just, you know, asthma.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, you get some asthma and here's some chloroform, Right?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:So Anna also never claimed to have any occult powers.
Speaker A:It was pretty insulting to mediums whenever she talked about them.
Speaker A:Anna said she was simply a prophetess, one who sees and knows intuitively and then says the gift was born to her.
Speaker A:But she.
Speaker A:In a past life, life, she was initiated into Greco Egyptian mysteries.
Speaker A:And therefore she recalls the truth primarily in that language.
Speaker A:And after the method of the Bat Mysteries, which are is you indeed, the immediate source and pattern of the mysteries of the Catholic Church.
Speaker A:Christian Church.
Speaker A:So basically, she says she's a prophetess.
Speaker A:She's not a medium or a psychic.
Speaker A:She's just getting all this shit divinely, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:And to safeguard her written revelations, Maitland carried them in a wallet strapped to his shoulders.
Speaker A:And those make it into the country.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:But Anna was really concerned about crossing with Rufus because a woman had just been denied entry into England for carrying a lamb.
Speaker A:But she smuggled the guinea pig in her skirts and got him.
Speaker A:This is all.
Speaker A:This shit's all about the guinea pig, Right.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So she smuggles him in, and then time goes on she passes her exam.
Speaker A:She just needs to find, finish her thesis.
Speaker A:She writes about vegetarianism because of course she does.
Speaker A:Typically, the students had to defend their thesis in front of a panel, but at the last moment, her professor was like, you can't.
Speaker A:We're.
Speaker A:We're not accepting your thesis because you're a woman.
Speaker A:They end up letting her talk about it anyways, and she gets trolled like a.
Speaker A:Like, they're like.
Speaker A: , you know, so, like being in: Speaker A:So most tragically, Rufus dies on August 15th on the Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed virgin Mary at 9 years of age and was sealed in a 10 box to be taken to the parsonage for burial under a rose bush.
Speaker A:Anna went to England to start a private practice, which she could do without a medical license as long as she didn't treat government or military personnel.
Speaker A:Because she has a degree in medicine doesn't mean that she gets a license.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And that's where we're going to end.
Speaker A:We'll continue her story another day.
Speaker A:Next time we record and we'll talk about.
Speaker A:Maybe she'll kill someone else with her brain, maybe she won't.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker B:Anna.
Speaker A:Anna and Rufus.
Speaker A:Rufus is a true hero of a story.
Speaker A:Well, and you think we've heard the end of Rufus office?
Speaker A:We've not.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker A:All right, so back to lady torturing Sam.
Speaker B:Yeah, so Sam is like, look, you know what?
Speaker B:Maybe what?
Speaker B:So Tony's like, hey, so we are gonna make things better because you've off how y' all handle monsters here in America, so you need to give us all your hunter contacts so we can do it better.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, what are you gonna do?
Speaker B:Tie them to a chair or worse?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Go to hell.
Speaker A:This really is an interesting thing.
Speaker A:It's like, so this is your mission.
Speaker A:This is your plan.
Speaker A:You're gonna come to America.
Speaker A:You're going.
Speaker A:You want the hierarchy of the hunters, and you're going to train them.
Speaker B:Okay, but, like, this is how you win us over is by, like, break in shoot and torture.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:This is a dumb plan anyways.
Speaker B:So now Ms. Watt is going to move on from water torture, cold water torture, to a butane torch that she is going to burn Sam's foot with.
Speaker B:And this looks awful.
Speaker B:It's very upsetting to watch.
Speaker A:It's very upsetting to watch.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And poor.
Speaker A:But, you know, Padalecki is.
Speaker A:Nice feet.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:And so we go from that back to our favorite demon duo.
Speaker A:Our demon duo.
Speaker B:Our.
Speaker A:Our.
Speaker A:Our laugh factory over here.
Speaker A:And they're at another cleanup site.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We've got a house with, like, a.
Speaker B:A family that all the eyes are burned out.
Speaker B:And, like, relief was the word I was looking for.
Speaker A:God damn it.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:And one of them's like, says, it's gross, which I think is hilarious.
Speaker B:But Lucifer calls, and they're like, hey.
Speaker B:And basically, he cannot come and join them there because he knows they're being followed.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And Crowley's like.
Speaker B:You know, Crowley's like, yeah, you are.
Speaker B:Tada.
Speaker A:You are.
Speaker A:It's me today.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And we learned that these, like, they're so gross because this is like, what?
Speaker A:Lucifer has just been burning through these vessels as he's been trying after Mara ripped him out of the Cass.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's just body hopping.
Speaker B:Body hopping, trying to get a new vessel.
Speaker B:And these demons are like, what the ever.
Speaker B:We're still on Team Lucifer.
Speaker B:Crowley.
Speaker B:We're not interested in being, you know, on.
Speaker B:On your team here, so.
Speaker B:And Crowley is like, okay, whatever, but I'm gonna.
Speaker B:I. I'm going to kill Lucifer and y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:So it doesn't matter.
Speaker B:And then he.
Speaker B:He stabs both of them.
Speaker A:They made the mistake of taunting him, and he stabs him.
Speaker A:And then Crowley figures out that one of the family members in the picture isn't there.
Speaker A:So he has a lead.
Speaker B:He has a lead on what body Lucifer is in.
Speaker B:So Dean and Castiel and Mary are.
Speaker B:Now have located the driver of the Escalade that Tony transported.
Speaker B:Salmon.
Speaker B:Just complicated.
Speaker B:Anyways, and he's, like, topping off the washer fluid.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Anyways, but he plays real dumb at first about who Tony is until Steel headbutts him twice.
Speaker B:And then he's finally.
Speaker B:He's like, I don't know her name, but he gives some intel.
Speaker B:It's kind of funny.
Speaker B:So we go back to the farmhouse where we see very, very, very bad burn on Sam.
Speaker B:Sam's foot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But Ms. Watts has run out of butane, so that's good.
Speaker A:And she's just like, I cannot believe, like, anyone can take this much pain without breaking.
Speaker A:And we need Mr. Catch now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Tony's like, he's a psychopath.
Speaker B:I don't want to call him.
Speaker B:And she's like, so we're not going to break Sam's body.
Speaker B:We're going to break his mind.
Speaker B:I thought I was not even trying A British accent.
Speaker B:I was just making a shitty accent.
Speaker B:An evil accent.
Speaker B:So it's to be clear, to be.
Speaker A:Clear, to be fair.
Speaker A:And so she has a.
Speaker A:She has a syringe.
Speaker B:And then we go, giant syringe.
Speaker A:A giant syringe.
Speaker A:But we're gonna cut from there to wherever when they're.
Speaker A:They're tracking them down.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we are at a.
Speaker B:It is a coffee and berries cafe, which I think is a really weird business model.
Speaker B:All they sell is berries and coffee.
Speaker B:Like, because you see, it's like, little containers of berries and then cups of coffee.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Lots of pie.
Speaker A:The P was really good, so I think it's a coffee and pie.
Speaker B:I saw little cups of berries.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah, they had a really great pie there because I have a comment about.
Speaker A:I really wanted that pie.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, well, maybe they berry pied.
Speaker B:Maybe that's what I missed.
Speaker B:I was just very confused for a moment.
Speaker B:So Mary is just very sadly taking in the fact that everybody is on devices now, because this is our modern society.
Speaker B:This was.
Speaker B:Was.
Speaker A:This is way back before.
Speaker A:Like, things weren't even bad.
Speaker A:Social media wasn't even a thing then.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker B:I mean, we're only 10 years ago.
Speaker B:Not even 10 years ago.
Speaker B:So, I mean, I guess it was already then.
Speaker B:It's just worse now.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:No, Instagram was not invented.
Speaker A:Like, it was a different level.
Speaker A:Anyways, so.
Speaker B:Anyway, so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so they've got coffee and they're talking about his.
Speaker B:You know, he's.
Speaker B:He's trying to relate to her, about how jarring it was when he first got to her Earth, which is a weird thing to be relating to her.
Speaker B:She's not new to Earth.
Speaker B:She's just new to this modern time.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Oh, she's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she's heard of people coming back from the dead before, and she plays it off like it's a no big deal.
Speaker A:That, like, that's something that hunters just know about.
Speaker A:I'm like, is it like, okay, but her brows are really good.
Speaker B:They are really good.
Speaker B:And then Dean's like, well, I found out about the airplane that this.
Speaker B:These people arrived on.
Speaker B:On.
Speaker B:But it had diplomatic registry, so the records are sealed, so whatever that means.
Speaker B:Either way, they are gonna go find.
Speaker B:They see this veterinarian dude walk by, and they know they need to go talk to the veterinarian.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Dean's calling Tony evil Elsa, which I do appreciate.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So they pull a gun on the vet, and they found out that she gave them a hundred thousand dollars, which seems excessive.
Speaker A:And then Cass gets really aggressive.
Speaker A:Aggressive.
Speaker B:He does.
Speaker B:But student loans are a.
Speaker A:They are.
Speaker B:And he's.
Speaker B:At the end of the day, the doctor.
Speaker B:You know, the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:They've.
Speaker B:The doctor got paid and they.
Speaker B:The doc.
Speaker B:Another woman showed up.
Speaker B:And so the.
Speaker B:Mary's like, but is that really all you know?
Speaker B:And the doctor's like, yeah.
Speaker B:And Mary says hurt him.
Speaker B:Mary goes hard.
Speaker A:She does.
Speaker B:She don't.
Speaker B:And the doctor is like a phone number.
Speaker B:So we have.
Speaker B:Dr. Marion now has confessed that he has Tony's cell number.
Speaker B:So we can.
Speaker A:We have another lead.
Speaker A:So we have another lead and we go back to our farmhouse and CM wakes up.
Speaker A:They've at least bandaged his poor foot and unchained him.
Speaker B:He's on the floor and he is.
Speaker B:You know, feels that he has some kind of a wound on his neck.
Speaker B:So he knows he's been injected with something.
Speaker B:And he sees all the cameras on him and so he's kind of like stumbling around.
Speaker B:And we've got Tony and miss watching him.
Speaker B:And Tony's very cocky about.
Speaker B:He'll be begging to answer questions to.
Speaker A:Make very evil there.
Speaker A:A very evil thing to say.
Speaker B:Yeah, she's so gross.
Speaker B:Anyways, but then Dr. Marion calls Tony and she answers because he's just checking on his patient.
Speaker B:And she's like, I'm gonna hang up now.
Speaker B:I don't trust this.
Speaker A:Yeah, you're doing a very bad job of faking this call.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:So sus.
Speaker B:But Dean gets on the line.
Speaker B:He's like, listen.
Speaker B:I'm like, okay, there we go.
Speaker B:But she's like, oh no.
Speaker B:This is a problem.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:Dude, Dean.
Speaker B:Dean is not dead.
Speaker A:Yeah, we thought he was dead.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:And so Dean threatens some more.
Speaker A:And then he breaks the phone with his hands.
Speaker A:And apparently that wasn't even a pre broken phone.
Speaker A:Aqua just busted that phone with his hands.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:That was not a foldable phone.
Speaker B:In case anybody was wondering.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, he just tried to close and not.
Speaker B:It's not a flip phone.
Speaker B:And he just tried to flipping.
Speaker B:Oopsies.
Speaker B:Well, Tony is distraught about this situation about the Dean sitch.
Speaker B:So we've got.
Speaker B:And Dean is pissed.
Speaker B:That's what we know.
Speaker B:Sam is hobbling around in this basement.
Speaker B:And in.
Speaker B:And you can.
Speaker B:He's clearly starting to hear things.
Speaker B:Including a very annoying loud high pitched noise.
Speaker B:And then starts hallucinating dead people.
Speaker B:Which is sad and unfortunate in it y. Inc. And it's just not.
Speaker B:Not good stuff.
Speaker B:Mom.
Speaker B:Kevin, all the things everyone's dying, you know, that's all his visions.
Speaker B:So Dean and Cass and Mary are gonna drive back to the bunker which I don't know if it's the best use of time, but apparently that's their plan because they want to trace Tony's phone.
Speaker B:But suddenly they get T boned which seems kind of of random in this little dirt road.
Speaker B:And Mary gets knocked unconscious and poor baby's fender is fucked up.
Speaker B:But who is it?
Speaker B:Oh, this is not a random T boning.
Speaker B:This is an intentional accident caused by Ms. Watt.
Speaker A:So she's really scary.
Speaker A:That's there.
Speaker A:We go to the farmhouse for a moment just to see Sam stole his hallucinating duck piece.
Speaker A:People's game.
Speaker A:And then we cut back to the road where Ms. Watts is putting on some pretty fancy brass knuckles.
Speaker B:Are fancy.
Speaker B:They got sigils on them and they're doing they're glowy stuff.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:And his.
Speaker B:She informs Dean that he should be more careful with the location services on his phone.
Speaker A:Which is what they were trying to track them but they just didn't track them fast enough.
Speaker A:So anyways they fight and she kicks both Dean and Cass's ass and takes Dean's gun in a very embarrassing way.
Speaker A:Way.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's pretty bad.
Speaker B:Back in the farmhouse, Sam is now hearing hallucinating Dean saying that everyone's dead because of Sam.
Speaker B:Out in the road, Dean as and Ms. Watt are fighting again for round two.
Speaker B:Cass is fighting also and she kicks both their asses again.
Speaker B:She's kind of a badass.
Speaker B:She's of kind scary.
Speaker A:She's really scary.
Speaker A:But she makes a mistake after she takes a gun and looks like she's gonna shoot them instead of just shooting them.
Speaker A:She doesn't shut the up.
Speaker A:And when she doesn't shut the up, here comes Mary.
Speaker B:Yes, that is correct.
Speaker B:And Mary stabs her with an angel bite.
Speaker B:Yay Mary.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Dean says thanks mom.
Speaker B:Though she does the gun does go off multiple times as she's going down which does scary of course.
Speaker B:A minute.
Speaker B:Oh no.
Speaker A:Just shoots off in the air.
Speaker A:So we go there then like seeking of scary.
Speaker A:We go from there to the farmhouse where it looks like Sam is cutting his throat.
Speaker B:Yeah, he punches a mirror and grabs a piece of mirror and looks like he's having a meltdown after he's being like.
Speaker B:Because he.
Speaker B:We're hearing him hallucinate.
Speaker B:Like really like hallucinate here being told to kill himself and then he looks like he's slicing his throat with it and.
Speaker B:And then Then like collapses.
Speaker B:So Tony runs in with this cattle prod and we see Sam on the ground with a pool of blood.
Speaker B:And you're like, WTF is happening right now?
Speaker B:But he was.
Speaker B:He just cut his hand.
Speaker B:It was all a trap to get her down there.
Speaker A:So good, he grabs her by the throat and he starts to choke her out.
Speaker A:But unfortunately he gets cattle prodded on the stairs and she kicks him in the face and lobster the door so.
Speaker B:Bad there's a back.
Speaker B:It's so.
Speaker B:It's so unsatisfying.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker B:And he's very sad because that is sad.
Speaker B:Like, you like, worked really hard on this escape plan and then it fails.
Speaker B:Mary is very upset that she just killed this woman.
Speaker B:By the way, this is not a happy, like, yay, we, we won.
Speaker B:Dean and Cass are hiding Ms. Watts car and body in the woods.
Speaker B:And Dean's found her cell phone.
Speaker B:And Mary's like, no, I'm not okay.
Speaker B:I ran away from this life.
Speaker B:I didn't want it.
Speaker B:I didn't want it for me.
Speaker B:Didn't want it from y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker B:This is not what anybody needed or wanted.
Speaker B:And this is bad.
Speaker A:And he's like, I get it.
Speaker B:I wouldn't want it for my kids either.
Speaker B:But for us it's fine.
Speaker A:Do you get this?
Speaker B:Do you, Dee?
Speaker A:But you know, he does.
Speaker A:He does get a saving people, hunting things line in there.
Speaker A:So that's good.
Speaker A:And then baby takes off.
Speaker A:And baby takes off.
Speaker A:Then we get a crime scene where we know that Crowley has tracked out our burnt out vessel.
Speaker A:But it's too late.
Speaker B:Too late.
Speaker B:So Lucifer is still on the run.
Speaker B:And as Dean drives looking very serious with Castiel in the front seat, Mary in the back, Mary looking very sad, we have Solitude playing by Black Sabbath and Sam being very sad on the stairs and Tony watching him on camera.
Speaker A:So everyone's quiet and kind of bummed out.
Speaker A:And that's how it ends.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:That's a really sad ending to the first episode of the season.
Speaker B:Jesus.
Speaker B:Way to go.
Speaker A:Welcome to season 12.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Oh my gosh.
Speaker A:So did we have people in this episode to talk about?
Speaker A:Casting cast couch.
Speaker A:It's the casting couch.
Speaker C:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker B:La la la la la la la la la la la.
Speaker B:We have two people we'll talk about.
Speaker B:Ms. Watt and Dr. Maran.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:First off, I am not going to be able to pronounce.
Speaker B:Ms. Watts.
Speaker B:Is super.
Speaker B:British.
Speaker B:Or British.
Speaker B:Is it Bronag Wong.
Speaker B:B R O N A G H BR W Br Last name W A U G H W. Yeah, probably.
Speaker B:See?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:All right, well, anyway, tell us.
Speaker B:Yeah, she has an extensive background on soaps in the uk, so things that we may not be familiar with here, but a lot of time she was Cheryl Brady on Holly Oaks, Sally in the Fall and she's been an episode of Dairy Girls, something we'd be more familiar with here.
Speaker B:Dr. Marion was played by Colin Laura Lawrence.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker B:He is a British born Canadian.
Speaker B: des of X Files, Dead Like Me,: Speaker B:He was Gumball in the film Y2K G in House of the Dead.
Speaker B:He was a cop in Fantastic Four, Janko in Izombie as a reoccurring character.
Speaker B:He was a.
Speaker B:A customer in the.
Speaker B:In Fifty Shades Darker.
Speaker B:He was Coach Clayton in Riverdale as a reoccurring character.
Speaker B:He was he as.
Speaker B:He plays Thomas in Christmas and Everdine which is a movie Christmas series.
Speaker B:And John Preacher in Virgin river.
Speaker B:The as a regular ongoing character.
Speaker A:So what'd you think of our first episode of season 12?
Speaker B:Oh my gosh.
Speaker A:It was well a.
Speaker B:It was very action filled.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:A lot of jumping around, a lot back and forth.
Speaker B:It definitely sets up for an interesting season.
Speaker B:I like.
Speaker B:The episode ending is very unsatisfying.
Speaker B:I was like, damn it, give me something.
Speaker B:Yeah, but they're on the road and everyone said, I know, I don't like that.
Speaker B:Give me something.
Speaker B:So that's my only complaint.
Speaker B:That's my complaint.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But no, I'm intrigued.
Speaker B:You really.
Speaker B:You really hate Tony, man.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, you're also just really setting you to.
Speaker A:To hate just the British bit of letters in general.
Speaker A:Like, spoiler alert.
Speaker A:We're probably not gonna like them.
Speaker B:No, but it's like an interesting hate.
Speaker B:It's not like the traditional like evil monster.
Speaker B:It's more like very unlikable.
Speaker A:But I mean it's.
Speaker A:And I will make the.
Speaker A:It's very.
Speaker A:They are very similar to the council on Buffy and the Watchers Council and I.
Speaker A:But I do think it's interesting that we have the American versus the British and what that ends up happening.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Like the difference between the two and just, you know, how British are they going to be?
Speaker A:Yeah, the British.
Speaker A:We all know how I feel.
Speaker B:Just throw that tea in the harbor anyways.
Speaker A:So yeah, it.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:It's quite.
Speaker A:It's quite a way to start.
Speaker A:And poor Sam in his feet we got some, some very gratuitous power.
Speaker B:Sam.
Speaker B:This, this, this is a shitty, like, episode for Sam.
Speaker B:Sam, right.
Speaker B:He thinks his brother's dead and he's getting tortured in a basement.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Awful night.
Speaker A:It's very, very horror movie for Sam.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Very sucky.
Speaker A:So will Sam get out of the basement?
Speaker A:Will lady fancy pants learn what she needs to learn?
Speaker A:Find out all this and more this season on Devil's Trap Podcast.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Cheers, jerk.
Speaker B:Cheer.
Speaker B:Cheers, bitch.
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Speaker B:Going up to the spirit in the sky?
Speaker B:That's where I'm going to go when I die When I die and they lay me I'm going to go to the place that.
