12:15 Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell
We are talking about SPN Season 12, Episode 15, Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell. We are close to heaven with Kelvin but so close to hell with this horrific treatment of the poor hellhound Ramsey. Diana loves the weird. Liz ruins the fun of the Reptile Lizard People conspiracy theory when she discusses David Icke and the tragedies surrounding it, including the Sherry Shriner deaths.
Research Links
- How Sherry Shriner's 'Alien Reptile' YouTube Cult Inspired A Murder
- Reptilian conspiracy theory - Wikipedia
- The Reptoid Hypothesis: Utopian and Dystopian Representational Motifs in David Icke's Alien Conspiracy Theory on JSTOR
- Who Are The Reptilians, And What Do They Want With The Human Race?
- Psycho lizards from Saturn: The godlike genius of David Icke!
- David Icke: Conspiracy of the Lizard Illuminati (Part 1/2) - YouTube
- Like QAnon's Capitol rioters, the Nashville bomber's lizard people theory is deadly serious
- 12 Million Reasons to Believe in Lizard People
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:Can it get weirder than Lizard People?
Speaker B:It can always get weirder.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:And I'm Liz.
Speaker A:And we're going to talk about season 12, episode 15, somewhere between heaven and
Speaker B:Hell, which is the title of a Social Distortion album, which, according to the Supernatural Wiki, is the reason for the name of.
Speaker B:Of this episode.
Speaker B:And I don't know if I believe that.
Speaker B:I will say, however, that Social Distortion is going on tour of the Descendants, and I wasn't gonna go to it, but the Descendants.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's Austin, so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's not here, but.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's in Dallas too.
Speaker A:But I'm just glad Mike this is okay and playing again.
Speaker A:Good for him after his health issues.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But he's kind of like the only time I met him, he was kind of mean and he's kind of it.
Speaker B:I want him to not be an asshole, but I have heard too many stories.
Speaker B:So I think.
Speaker B:And the last few times I've seen Social D, the show is really good, but it's this.
Speaker B:It's not spectacular.
Speaker B:I would go see the Descendants again.
Speaker B:I mean, I always go see the Descendants.
Speaker A:I was kind of uninterested, but the new single is actually really good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I haven't bought bothered to listen to it.
Speaker A:Dave played it.
Speaker A:They played it for me.
Speaker A:So I was like, okay, that's cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:On Evil Spot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Evil Spotify, who we also love.
Speaker B:Because, you know, Spotify, our podcast is on you.
Speaker B:So I both love and hate you and I also use you for too much.
Speaker B:But it has been suggested in my.
Speaker B:In my new material, obviously, like, of course you're like, you should listen to this.
Speaker B:But clearly I said, I have a long, long relation.
Speaker B:Long parasocial relationship with that band.
Speaker B:And so sometimes you've just seen bands enough.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you want to hold on to where you saw it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's like he didn't.
Speaker B:Great.
Speaker B:He wasn't the old man grabbing his balls quite then, you know, like.
Speaker B:And I've seen enough old men grabbing their balls.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's always fun.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Past.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Rock and roll.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, what have you been up to?
Speaker A:Anything fun?
Speaker B:My mom's cat finally came into the living room by herself today.
Speaker B:So that was very exciting.
Speaker B:So for the longest time, these poor.
Speaker B:And, you know, I mean, I'm gonna say something that's gonna sound really bad, but I've had these two cats that were.
Speaker B:They were kept to a part, basically.
Speaker B:They had a wing of a house, and they had a wing of a house because there were dogs on the other side of the house.
Speaker B:And the owners of said dogs were supposed to help me transition the relationship so the cats could leave that wing.
Speaker B:They never did, but the dogs are gone, and now the cats don't want to leave the wing because the rest of the house, I think, smells like dog or something of that sort.
Speaker B:So I've been slowly giving exposure therapy to the cats, meaning I'm against their will, picking them up and carrying them to the other parts of the house.
Speaker B:And one of them, the.
Speaker B:The girl cat finally got really bright.
Speaker B:She got brave, and she walked out into the living room by herself today.
Speaker B:So it was a big step for her.
Speaker B:I'm like, wait till you figure out there's an upstairs.
Speaker A:And to be clear, the dogs safely were rehomed to where they needed to go.
Speaker A:The dogs are still with their humans, to be clear.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And the cats were sequestered, and they just are scared of their leaving their sex with sequestration.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah, they had it.
Speaker B:They have a giant space where they're.
Speaker B:But they just got.
Speaker B:They're too co. And I would just be feeling that either territorial.
Speaker B:And to get to the other side of the house, they have to go down a long, dark hallway.
Speaker B:And I think the hallway also is kind of intimidating.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But we've been doing.
Speaker B:Yeah, we've been doing little walks down the hall.
Speaker B:Sometimes I get her to walk down the hallway with me, just, you know, so that's how I've been spending my time, is trying to get cats to cat training.
Speaker B:I've been cat training.
Speaker B:You know, we all.
Speaker B:We all have to have our callings.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's important.
Speaker B:And what about you?
Speaker A:No, I've been spending my time redoing our sun room.
Speaker A:So I decided that.
Speaker A:I decided to repaint and put up some new wallpaper, because that's what I decided to do with my time instead of getting it done.
Speaker A:But, yeah, it's been a fun project.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:I'm excited about the results.
Speaker A:Let me put it that way.
Speaker B:It's done.
Speaker B:And like I said earlier, you are not divorced.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:So you chose to do.
Speaker B:Not only did you choose to do a home renovation project, you choose to do one.
Speaker B:Chose to do one with your husband, which is a bold.
Speaker B:That's a bold move, Cotton, to always, you know, like, you don't know how that's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And no matter how pretty.
Speaker B:Well, I think that's a shy sign of like how strong your relationship is.
Speaker B:Is like, how can you.
Speaker A:Can you.
Speaker B:Can you guys handle putting up wallpaper together without.
Speaker B:It was one in the wall.
Speaker A:There was a lot of.
Speaker A:And by both sides admitted very, very passive aggressive commentary during the hanging of the wallpaper back in the forth.
Speaker A:Very calmly, though.
Speaker A:We did it very calmly.
Speaker A:Passive aggressively.
Speaker A:But yes, it is successful.
Speaker A:So you know that.
Speaker A:And getting ready for spring break.
Speaker A:Not really.
Speaker A:But a small family trip.
Speaker B:It was like, we're adults.
Speaker B:We don't get spring breaks anymore.
Speaker A:We don't.
Speaker B:Unless you're a teacher or working somewhere in education.
Speaker B:Which part of half of your family is so.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So there we go.
Speaker A:That's my excitement.
Speaker A:Very fun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:I for.
Speaker B:I forgot to.
Speaker B:I had a dream about Jared Padalecki, so.
Speaker B:But I don't think that.
Speaker B:I think I was just dreaming about his magnificent hair and because it is brought up in this episode, but I have not been checking out what's going on in their world at all.
Speaker B:Let's see.
Speaker A:Well, the biggest thing is I think they dropped the new trailer for the boys.
Speaker A:And everybody's psyched about that because it does have Jared Jensen and Misha in it.
Speaker A:And that's what everybody's been super hyped.
Speaker B:Well, I did get messages from one of my friends going like, did you know that Jared Padalecki is in the Voice?
Speaker B:And I'm like, what the.
Speaker B:Of course I knew.
Speaker B:Like, who are you talking to?
Speaker B:Like the one.
Speaker B:Like, how old do you think that news is?
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:I do appreciate that.
Speaker B:Our.
Speaker B:Our San Antonio was very proud of Jared Padalecki.
Speaker B:So, like the local paper, which is like the big paper for Antonio, it's like San Antonio's Jared Padalecki joins the boys with Supernatural co stars.
Speaker B:So I'm really glad that is coming out because I. I need it.
Speaker B:I want it.
Speaker B:It's time.
Speaker B:I need more.
Speaker B:I need more content.
Speaker B:That's not Countdown.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's been the big chatter I've seen.
Speaker A:Well, that's good.
Speaker B:I'm glad that's finally happening for them.
Speaker B:So this episode, like I said, somewhere between heaven and hell, I don't know if that's why they named it that or someone just put that on the wiki and they got away with it.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:So, like, it almost tomorrow yeah, we're recording this on March 8th, so it's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Almost aligning with us.
Speaker B:It's pretty cool, like, when that happens.
Speaker B:And this was directed by Nina.
Speaker B:Nina Lopez.
Speaker B:Corrado.
Speaker B:And we last saw her direct this season, the one you've been waiting for.
Speaker B:And she did season 11's episode 17, Red Meat, and it was written by Davey Perez, and he wrote.
Speaker B:Oh, God damn it.
Speaker B:I don't want to say it because it's gonna get stuck in my.
Speaker B:Okay, so he.
Speaker B:Both of these aren't stuck in my head.
Speaker B:So maybe.
Speaker B:Okay, maybe it is.
Speaker B:All right, base, I am going to agree that this is because of Social Distortion based on the last two episodes that he directed that he wrote.
Speaker B:So episode four that he wrote this season was American Nightmare, and episode 12 was stuck in the Middle with you.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So I will say not just put.
Speaker B:Someone didn't just get away with putting that on the wiki.
Speaker B:I think that actually is the truth.
Speaker A:Okay, Reasonable.
Speaker B:Reasonable makes sense to me.
Speaker B:And now I have all those things stuck in my head.
Speaker B:All right, so in our recap Cat camp, I said that because all the vamps are dead and we get bmol.
Speaker B:Pick aside a reminder about Hellhounds.
Speaker B:And that helped.
Speaker B:I was gonna wear my Hellhound shirt today.
Speaker B:God damn it.
Speaker B:I thought about it when I was doing the episode.
Speaker B:It's in my closet.
Speaker B:I meant to pull it out, but.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:We can remind you about hellhounds.
Speaker B:Hellhounds are pets of Crowley.
Speaker B:We get to remind you of Crowley's bad plan.
Speaker B:The spawn of Lucifer exists.
Speaker B:There's somebody named Dagon that we're going to meet more of.
Speaker B:There's the cold.
Speaker B:And that Sam is in with the bad guys.
Speaker B:And that's our recap.
Speaker B:And we go to the woods.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:In Sheridan County, Nebraska.
Speaker A:And there's a couple camping, and she's cutting wood and her boyfriend.
Speaker A:So this is Gwen and her boyfriend Marcus, wants her to watch a video of a bear attacking people camping.
Speaker A:I'm like, this is not what you watch when you're camping, sir.
Speaker A:And she calls out that we're supposed to be.
Speaker B:So, like, what kind of signal are you getting?
Speaker B:Where are you camping that you get that enough?
Speaker B:Did you download the bear video?
Speaker B:Or are you actually just not camping so far away that you can just get a regular cell signal?
Speaker B:I caught you out, Marcus.
Speaker A:Well, apparently he had this one, and he really wants her to watch the video.
Speaker A:And she's like, no, we're supposed to commune with nature.
Speaker A:And he's like, I thought we Were going to commune with nature and get naked and do weird stuff.
Speaker A:And she's like, well, not that weird, but yeah.
Speaker A:Apparently we find out their backstory is their couple.
Speaker A:And she has been accepted to school in a veterinary school in Washington.
Speaker A:So they are going to try to do the long distance thing thing.
Speaker A:And they both seem kind of sad about it.
Speaker A:So he.
Speaker A:And he goes to look for more firewood.
Speaker A:And while he's doing it, he is practicing his proposal because he's going to propose to her in the woods.
Speaker A:And she accidentally finds the ring box while he's gone, which is very sad and sweet.
Speaker A:And then something is stalking him that's invisible and it's real scary.
Speaker A:And then all of a sudden we see him running back the campsite yelling for her to run.
Speaker A:And it is shot.
Speaker A:This is such a cool scene.
Speaker A:I hate to say that about like someone like dying, but it's a really cool scene with the Hellhound attack attacking him and killing him, being invisible.
Speaker A:And then the paw prints in the mud.
Speaker A:It's so cool.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:Except for the fact that that little bitch Gwen hits my puppy with an
Speaker A:axe and she's trying to eat her.
Speaker B:It's just a puppy she's trying to play.
Speaker B:If you look at where she.
Speaker B:Like if you look at her leg where she is, she just has her paws on either side of Gwen.
Speaker B:She's not actually like attacking her.
Speaker B:She's just like kind of hugging her her.
Speaker B:And then Gwen hits him with an axe.
Speaker B:So I think this is on Gwen.
Speaker B:And I swear when they do the title card that you can hear a little bit of a puppy wine.
Speaker B:Like I rewound it and listen to it a couple of times that I may be making it up, but I think it was kind of like at the end of it.
Speaker A:Well, either way, Marcus is dead, but Gwen gets away.
Speaker A:That's our.
Speaker A:That's our summary from the Hellhound attack.
Speaker A:And so we cut to the bunker with Sam and Dean.
Speaker A:And Dean is covered in blood and goo and is carrying a very specific weapon.
Speaker B:He is.
Speaker B:And he is saying he loves this thing.
Speaker B:And what he's holding is a barbed wire wrapped baseball bat that looks just like the weapon that John Winchester carries in the Walking Dead when he plays Megan.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So nice.
Speaker A:Nice carry.
Speaker B:Nice little crossover.
Speaker B:And I can neither confirm nor deny that any of my friends have ever owned or used such a thing.
Speaker B:Okay, so Dean is so the similar.
Speaker B:The state.
Speaker B:This happened also in the Walking Dead, Dean is covered in gore from a ghoul, a wraith And I don't know why it says that, but.
Speaker B:So he gets covered in gore, I guess.
Speaker A:Well, he's a piece of siren in his hair.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker A:But Sam, what's more is that he
Speaker B:flings it on the floor.
Speaker B:Like, Sam.
Speaker B:He picks it out of his hair, which could be satisfying.
Speaker B:And then he flings it on the floor.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, you need to bathe and change your underwear.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:And he's very specific about how many days Dean has been in the same boxers.
Speaker B:This is how you get scapes.
Speaker B:So he's been wearing the same.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So Sam says he's been wearing the same pair of boxer for four days.
Speaker B:And Dean says, well, you can do the 2:2 rule because you can flip them inside out and you get an extra day on it.
Speaker B:And that's not how that work.
Speaker B:I hate boys.
Speaker B:All right, so seance phone dings.
Speaker B:And he's like, it's another case.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, oh, we got another.
Speaker B:And Sam makes up this.
Speaker B:Well, we know that he's making up that.
Speaker B:He's basically made an algo that is scraping the news sites for weird things.
Speaker B:Which really, honestly doesn't sound that hard to do.
Speaker B:Like, you're just basically doing an alert on a search.
Speaker B:And you're like, yeah, okay.
Speaker B:Yeah, I could actually see that's happening.
Speaker B:Why are you thinking of this now?
Speaker A:I bet with AI, if they were doing this now too with AI, they could probably really do it.
Speaker B:Well, do chat.
Speaker B:GPT.
Speaker B:How do I.
Speaker B:So Charlie should have thought of this a long time ago.
Speaker B:But anyhow.
Speaker B:So Dean's brain bleeds because of computer,
Speaker A:but he's like, monsters, porn, anything they can't do.
Speaker A:Oh, Dean.
Speaker A:But either way, we've got Sam.
Speaker A:Is convinces Dean to go bathe before they go anywhere else.
Speaker A:But Dean is going to use Sam's
Speaker B:fancy shampoo, which is how Sam's hair is so glorious.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker B:So we are gonna go to outside Sheridan county.
Speaker B:And they both pull up.
Speaker B:They pull up.
Speaker B:And they're both on phone phones.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And Sam just talked.
Speaker A:Sam's getting off the phone with mom.
Speaker A:Apparently, you know, she's been hunting with the.
Speaker A:With the British Men of Letters and did.
Speaker A:It was a haunting.
Speaker A:And this gives Dean the opportunity to call them the Douchebusters.
Speaker B:I think that was funny.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker B:It was a good one.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker A:And apparently Dean get off the phone with Cass, who is in Idaho, and there's someone killing angels again.
Speaker B:Again.
Speaker B:So in Idaho, would you call Me.
Speaker B:Cass is in a diner and he meets a manager who reads his upside down Fed badge as Agent Solange.
Speaker A:And yeah, he is reading an article about someone being murdered by an irate alien.
Speaker A:But anyways, so the manager, Herb, is very excited that the FBI is there.
Speaker A:He is excited to tell his story and takes Castiel to his conspiracy bunker and locks the door.
Speaker A:I was like, oh no, sir, if you took me in there and locked the door, I would panic.
Speaker B:Yeah, no locking the door, please.
Speaker B:No, thank you.
Speaker B:The door.
Speaker B:And door remains open.
Speaker B:Maybe props with a shoe.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But he's got all kinds of stuff on the wall about the faked moon landing, the Illuminati mind control and all kinds of other fun stuff.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And he is convinced that Sarah, his waitress that we saw before, she was a real bitchy waitress with te that she was killed by aliens.
Speaker A:And he can prove it.
Speaker A:They are not just aliens though, they are Reptilians.
Speaker B:Yes, like the Queen of England.
Speaker B:And he can prove it.
Speaker B:And we are going to talk about Reptilians and it is lore.
Speaker B:And that's what we're doing today.
Speaker B:For lore, we're talking about reptilian conspiracy theories and lizard people.
Speaker B:There's a road we're going down.
Speaker B:So according to Wikipedia, which is now more reliable than Google, Reptilians are supposed reptilian humanoids.
Speaker B:And the idea of their existence was popularized by the conspiracy theorist David Icke, who has claimed that the Reptilians are aliens with the ultimate goal of human enslavement.
Speaker B:Although David Icke brought widespread attention to the notion of reptilian humanoids, the concept itself really predates his existence.
Speaker B: who in the secret doctrine in: Speaker B:So that was during the industrial age.
Speaker B:So that is possibly one of the first references to the dragon men.
Speaker B: n the magazine weird tales in: Speaker B:And a lot of people have made connections between Howard and Blavatsky's dragon men and turning back to David Ike because we have to.
Speaker B: reptilian theories on BBC in: Speaker B:His audience can run the spectrum across political lines.
Speaker B: A: Speaker B:And he's filled up like Wimberley Stadium and shit.
Speaker B:And he'll Talk for like 11 hours on this subject.
Speaker B:And he is just like, he is prolific as fuck.
Speaker B: books since the: Speaker B:But his writing has also been called an homage, or I would say homage being maybe stealing, I don't know, but.
Speaker B:So it was a homage to the writer slash quote unquote cuneiform translator Zuck Mariah Sitchin, who claimed a race of extraterrestrials from the planet Nibiru created the ancient Sumerian culture.
Speaker B:But both Sishkin and Ike claim that humans are actually the result of a genetic experiment run by the aliens known as the Anukai.
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker B:I watched some stupid show, like I had to like watch how they pronounce that word.
Speaker B:And I'm probably saying the aliens wrong and lizard people are going to punish me for it.
Speaker B:That's how you know, I'm not a lizard person.
Speaker B:I don't know how to pronounce our lizard speakeasies.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker B:Species.
Speaker B:So according to Ike, the Anakai from planet Nibiru or Planet X came to Earth looking for gold.
Speaker B:When they found it, they crossed their DNA with humans to create workers to mine the gold for them.
Speaker B:Then they stayed shape shifting to hide their identities, but secretly still running the world, feeding off of human energy, particularly that of children.
Speaker B:Also the moon is an artificial construct.
Speaker B:It's a hollowed out space station from which the Illuminati are creating a matrix like dystopian society for us to live in.
Speaker B:So we are currently being.
Speaker B:Our reality is being projected from the moon and we are in.
Speaker B:None of this is real.
Speaker B:This is all the Matrix.
Speaker B:So I think once you start like doing simulation Neo, then you get out of the Matrix.
Speaker B:I think that's one of the things.
Speaker A:But is there a pill somewhere you've
Speaker B:taken that I think you think it's like a red pill or something.
Speaker B:So for proof that this is real, you have to look at the fact that we have lizard brains, right?
Speaker B:And in the most primitive area of the human brain, we have the brain stem and the cerebellum.
Speaker B:And they are very similar to a reptile's brain in that it controls the body's function like heart rate, breathing, body temperature and balance is also home to our fight or flight instincts.
Speaker B:And our desires to eat and have sex.
Speaker B:But of course, that isn't all that makes up a human brain.
Speaker B:We also have a mammalian brain, which is a limbic system, the neocortex, which we share with friends.
Speaker B:So if you say, you know, as much as I joke about my lizard brain, there are other parts of us, which is why, you know, we're not, let's say, okay, but anyways, we do have reptile brains.
Speaker B:Ben David.
Speaker B:Ike will use this to show how the world is manipulated.
Speaker B:So he quotes a Zulu shaman who said to him, to know the Illuminati, Mr. David, you must study the reptile.
Speaker B:It is important for people to know the basics about the reptilian brain because it reveals where the character and attitudes of Illuminati come from and how or why we are manipulated mentally and emotionally in the way that we are through television and other imagery.
Speaker B:So Ike really believes in mind control.
Speaker B: ternet and anything made past: Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So it can't be trusted.
Speaker B:So you can only use analog devices.
Speaker B:So what?
Speaker B:World leaders are reptiles.
Speaker B:All of them.
Speaker A:Duh duh.
Speaker B:Ike has named George Washington, George W. Bush, and Queen Elizabeth II as, as examples.
Speaker B:He has claimed that these ruling lizards created a society known as the Illuminati who are running the world with all their mind control.
Speaker B:Okay, so what about celebrities?
Speaker B:All of them too.
Speaker B: In fact, during the: Speaker B:Beaver's head shrunk, his eyes went black with stripes down the center, which could be his very reptilian irises.
Speaker B:He grew taller and had gross colored scales on his body.
Speaker B:According to an article you can't find anymore that was once in the newspaper tabloid personnel.
Speaker B:So they say that the celebrities like Bieber are sending coded messages to the masses through their performances.
Speaker B:And here's where I start to ruin the fun of thinking everyone is a lizard.
Speaker B:As with most theories which involve othering of people, this conspiracy theory at least appears to partially be rooted in bigotry.
Speaker B:More specifically, anti Semitism as serpents have been used as dehumanizing anti Semitic imagery for the Jewish population throughout history.
Speaker B:So we have that kind of big look hanging on to it.
Speaker B:Ike has also argued that fabricated doctrine saying that a Jewish cabal is runs the world is the truth.
Speaker B:He's also supporting the idea that the Holocaust was a hoax.
Speaker B:Hoax.
Speaker B:So yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So whether or not the whole reptilian invader idea is meant to be coded anti Semitism.
Speaker B:It definitely gets tossed around by a lot of neo Nazis, Illuminati believers and others who are convinced that evil puppeteers who they often claim are Jewish are secretly running the world and controlling everybody.
Speaker A:Gross.
Speaker B:And then on top of that, there are, there have been a number of tragedies associated with this reptilian conspiracy theory.
Speaker A:For the record, you just made a really fun conspiracy theory.
Speaker A:Really gross and sad.
Speaker B:Oh, I'm gonna make it worse.
Speaker B:I think it's so much worse.
Speaker B: All right, so in: Speaker B:Robotoids, which basically she was, she had on this pendant that, that Sherry Schreiner was selling, saying you could protect you from from overdosing.
Speaker B:And she still overdosed.
Speaker B:And then after she died, she continued to sell them.
Speaker B: Then in: Speaker B:And she claimed that she wanted her to to.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:He also claimed the investigators at the scene were turning into lizards.
Speaker B: times in: Speaker B: The: Speaker B: Then in: Speaker A:That's all terrible.
Speaker B:It is all really terrible.
Speaker B: omewhat less terrible note in: Speaker B:4% of registered voters believe the reptile lizard conspiracy was true.
Speaker B:And that's registered voters who help shape our country believe that.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, but also like does that.
Speaker B:Do they.
Speaker B:Would they then vote for the lizard or against the lizard if they're registered voter.
Speaker A:I mean, but they're all.
Speaker A:But if everybody in power of all politicians are lizards, how do you vote for the non lizard?
Speaker B:Well, I mean at the primary, which one are you choosing?
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Like which one's going to be better for humanity?
Speaker B:Is it going to be the mind control or is like, well, do you just like cave in?
Speaker B:Do you want to be on the lizard side.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's tough.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Tough question.
Speaker A:You have to be very strategic and philosophical in that decision.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I also kind of knew, like, once, like, David Ike came into the picture, I knew this was going to be a bummer because he is a bigoted anti Semit.
Speaker B:You know, he's not a good man.
Speaker B:And he's very charismatic and just very.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:He's got.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:Besides being prolific, like, he has tons of websites.
Speaker B:Like I said, he speaks for like 11 hours at a time like that, and then people listen to him for that long.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't want to hear anybody talk for that long.
Speaker B:I don't want to hear any.
Speaker B:There is nothing I want to sit through.
Speaker B:I don't want to sit through.
Speaker B:I don't want to sit through Netflix for that long.
Speaker B:I don't want to.
Speaker B:Like, there's nothing I want to do for 11 hours.
Speaker B:It's like, maybe some days sleep really hard.
Speaker A:I get mad if a band plays too long.
Speaker A:Like, and that's in my time limit for.
Speaker A:That's very short.
Speaker A:Like, much less.
Speaker A:That's a band I like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So if I. I don't know if I could spend ego.
Speaker A:That's something.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So I. I knew.
Speaker B:Like I said, I. I kind of Conspiracy theories are always going to be a bummer.
Speaker B:And I didn't dive into.
Speaker B:There's obviously this.
Speaker B:We could go a lot further in this.
Speaker B:There is a.
Speaker B:Like I said, there is that correlation or, I mean, the.
Speaker B:A lot of.
Speaker B:I guess almost like vent.
Speaker B:I'll say.
Speaker B:Venn diagram.
Speaker B:Is that a correlation?
Speaker B:Venn diagram between people who believe in reptile lizard conspiracies and QAnon believers.
Speaker B:So there is a lot of that crossover.
Speaker B:And then while I was researching this, of course, a lot of things were coming up about the idea that a lot of these reptile lizard people believers and the QAnon believers are also that, you know, it was all pedophile conspiracy.
Speaker B:So we have the actual pedophile conspiracies that is going on with all the Epstein stuff.
Speaker A:So, yes, there's a lot of.
Speaker B:There's a lot of stuff kind of going on with this in the media.
Speaker B:But I kind of want to go a little further back just to see, like, when this all first started.
Speaker B:And it really does.
Speaker B:Like, as much as we've got it in pop culture and we've had the.
Speaker B:You know, and David, I.
Speaker B:Beyond that other person who ripped off their stuff and other things, all of them just sound like they're ripping off V. But.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:I know we were talking about that.
Speaker A:We don't talk about it right before that we started recording.
Speaker A:Just a lot of it just comes back to like for pop culture.
Speaker A:V was a great.
Speaker A:A series that really like.
Speaker A: s and the: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is both.
Speaker B:It was just the 80s.
Speaker B:One is horrifying and has scarred me for life.
Speaker B:I'm pretty sure.
Speaker B:Because it was so good.
Speaker B:It was really good.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:I should not have watched it as a child fair.
Speaker B:You know, like.
Speaker B:Because it's a lizard tongue that just like freaks me out.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And maybe that's also why I don't like authoritarian states.
Speaker B:Perhaps.
Speaker B:So maybe that's where it started.
Speaker A:But
Speaker B:so like the pop culture history of shape.
Speaker B:Because we.
Speaker B:Like I said there is that the anti Semitic line of what of.
Speaker B:Of the serpent representation.
Speaker B:But serpents and snakes and lizards also just represent a lot of things with a long human path and along for many different religions too.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So the idea of shape shifting into a lizard is not something that's lost on.
Speaker B:It's in a lot of cultures.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Asia.
Speaker B:Not necessarily.
Speaker B:They are a secret cabal ruling the world.
Speaker B:I think it makes it more specific.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And that they're aliens.
Speaker B:I think once you start going into like that's a whole different.
Speaker B:We've got a whole different narrative than just worshiping like a snake like deity crossover.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:Now we have got aliens who came down to take over the world and they're controlling our minds.
Speaker B:And if they are, can you do something like do something else?
Speaker B:Man.
Speaker B:Y' all can change frequencies.
Speaker B:Like I would like a better simulation
Speaker A:or at least filing a formal request.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like some more ponies or something.
Speaker B:Like a little more fluffiness in the simulation.
Speaker B:We'll.
Speaker B:We'll mine your energy for you.
Speaker B:Just, you know, give me something a little better to work with here.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So that is the background on the retro.
Speaker B:Reptilian.
Speaker B:Reptilian lizard conspiracy.
Speaker B:I guess that's what you call it.
Speaker B:There's really like.
Speaker B:There isn't a short name for it.
Speaker A:Reptilian alien conspiracy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:If Wikipedia calls it the.
Speaker B:I think just call it the reptilian conspiracy theory.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Reptilian conspiracy theory.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They're the Anukai or the.
Speaker B:You say they're a weird ass name.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:So leaving from those aliens and lizards to.
Speaker B:To cast and.
Speaker B:And the guy wanting.
Speaker B:Who is so woke.
Speaker B:He's got the stuff that sheeple can't handle.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But he also has a video surveillance system, not digital, of what happened in the alley.
Speaker A:And so we see Kelly, pregnant Kelly stumble down this alley, being followed by the male angel that we know is an angel, but they don't know that.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I. I love his interpretation, though.
Speaker B:Kelly is an alien queen.
Speaker B:Queen.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That's why she's pregnant.
Speaker A:Duh.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the two angels and their silver knives are star metal.
Speaker B:And so Dagon comes out, and she comes out to fight the angel, and he zooms in and we can see her yellow eyes.
Speaker B:And that means she is reptilian.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker A:But Cass is like, okay, cool.
Speaker A:Got what I need.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:Bye.
Speaker B:And honestly, this is what the Feds will do.
Speaker B:If you call them like.
Speaker B:Or at least they used to do that for, like, hacking.
Speaker B:Like, if you call them.
Speaker B:Been like some, you know, someone, like, broke into here, they would just come in and take your stuff off and leave.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I'm pretty sure, like, accurate.
Speaker A:So it's accurate.
Speaker B:I feel like this is accurate that the Feds would just be like, thanks, bye.
Speaker A:So we cut from there to the woods where the sheriff is telling Sam and Dean that, like, look, there's no body.
Speaker A:It looks.
Speaker A:We're sure it's a bear, maybe a cougar that just dragged him off.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's whatever.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But Gwen, the survivor, is very shaken up and saying strange things.
Speaker A:Things.
Speaker A:She thinks that she was attacked by an invisible wolf and that it's coming after her.
Speaker A:So Dean laughs it off just like,
Speaker B:yeah, as much as I dislike the sheriff, I really like his fuzzy hat.
Speaker B:I kind of want it.
Speaker A:So they go and find Gwen's house to go visit her.
Speaker A:And she is laying down.
Speaker A:And there is clearly from.
Speaker A:We see as the viewer, the hellhound is watching her through her window.
Speaker B:Oh, and as I haven't you said already, I do love hellhounds, and I want one for my own.
Speaker B:And this hellhound is just watching her through window, just trying to see what's going on.
Speaker B:And then the boys are outside arguing about what to say to Gwen.
Speaker B:And seriously, y', all.
Speaker B:Y' all have given the speech a thousand times.
Speaker A:Yeah, but now they're trying to.
Speaker A:But now they're saying they want to lie.
Speaker A:They don't want to give her the real talk.
Speaker A:They want to lie to give her.
Speaker B:They've lied a thousand times.
Speaker B:How many times have they faked being feds going to someone's door?
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker B:This is season 12 true.
Speaker B:You know, what to say, sir, is you should be good at this well.
Speaker A:But they come to the conclusion that there's no way that this wolf's coming after her.
Speaker A:So they're.
Speaker A:Because that wouldn't make sense.
Speaker A:So obviously the boyfriend made a deal with adult.
Speaker A:With a demon.
Speaker A:And now it's just.
Speaker A:Now they're confused.
Speaker A:The wolf got confused and that's it.
Speaker A:Or hound got confused and that's it.
Speaker A:So they're trying to go in, and the hellhound sneaks in with them when she lets them in.
Speaker B:What a smart little puppy.
Speaker B:And they introduce themselves as Baker and Clapton.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Not as good as Solange.
Speaker B:And so they tell her they found it and that it was a bear.
Speaker B:And they put it down.
Speaker B:And then we go right into a very good.
Speaker B:I know what I saw.
Speaker A:I know what I saw.
Speaker A:She is pissed.
Speaker A:She knows what she saw.
Speaker A:And they need to get out.
Speaker A:But so she finally gets them to leave.
Speaker A:And the hellhound is stalking her through the house.
Speaker A:And finally she realized it's there.
Speaker A:So she starts running and it attacks her.
Speaker A:We get a really good, like, cut of the claws digging into the floors.
Speaker B:Again, the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:Not on her.
Speaker B:They're just in the floor.
Speaker B:They are on either side of.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's on.
Speaker B:It's very expensive damage that she's doing to those floors.
Speaker B:But she could have put the claws in her.
Speaker B:She's not.
Speaker B:I think she's just playing, right?
Speaker B:And so then the guys jump in and they shoot the poor dog.
Speaker B:I'm so glad this is invisible, because I don't want to watch dogs getting shot.
Speaker B:And even they're fake dogs.
Speaker B:Like, no, thank you.
Speaker B:And it jumps out through the window.
Speaker A:So from there, we cut to Crowley, and he is showing off his key and talking just.
Speaker A:He just monologue.
Speaker A:Talking to Lucifer.
Speaker A:And I just feel like, this is not good.
Speaker A:We've already discussed that.
Speaker A:This plan is not great.
Speaker A:But he is just really enjoying just, like, rubbing it in.
Speaker A:And Lucifer is like, yeah, when I get free, I'm going to peel off your skin and eat your soul.
Speaker B:They're to go back and forth, and they're gonna do the little dance.
Speaker B:I cross you.
Speaker B:You cross me.
Speaker B:You make me your dog and make you your slave.
Speaker A:But Lucifer says, I'm 10 steps ahead.
Speaker A:That's his big name.
Speaker A:10 steps ahead of you.
Speaker B:Crowley is.
Speaker B:Crowley says.
Speaker A:Yes, Crowley is.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Crowley is 10 steps ahead of Lucifer.
Speaker A:That's what he says.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But the demon, Demon, demon minions needed Crowley.
Speaker A:There is work to be done.
Speaker A:So he needs to go up and.
Speaker A:And do his kingly things.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:So he's gonna put Lucifer in.
Speaker B:Basically.
Speaker B:It was like, as a bridal or a Muslim.
Speaker B:Later, we'll see.
Speaker B:It's a horse's bridle, which I really hate.
Speaker B:And so the minions tell him that not only is he late, there are 410 crossroad deals that need his approval.
Speaker B:And there are 638 other items that need his immediate response.
Speaker A:That's a lot.
Speaker B:It seems like a lot of stuff to deal with.
Speaker A:It seems like.
Speaker A:Like, think about, like, if that was, like, your inbox, that'd be upsetting.
Speaker A:It would be.
Speaker A:So Sam is explaining to Gwen about Hellhounds.
Speaker A:And that was a hellhound.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, yes, it's a giant invisible hound from hell.
Speaker A:She's like, you're not cops.
Speaker A:They're like, no, we're not cops.
Speaker A:But either way, now Sam.
Speaker B:Now Sam finally is like, okay, I have a line now.
Speaker B:I have this down.
Speaker B:I've said this before.
Speaker B:I'm Sam.
Speaker B:That's my brother, Dean.
Speaker B:We hunt monsters.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, oh, well, goofer dust can keep him out.
Speaker A:A demon knife or an angel blade to kill them.
Speaker A:She's like, look, I know what I saw.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, look, this is kind of awkward, but they really only attack people that sold their souls.
Speaker A:So did you or Marcus maybe do that, like, 10 years ago?
Speaker B:Did you want a hello Kitty backpack or.
Speaker B:Death of an enemy.
Speaker B:Come on now, girl.
Speaker B:You gotta fess up.
Speaker A:And she's like, no, no.
Speaker A:So they're like, okay, well, we know who to call.
Speaker B:So at Crowley's, we're going to get an SPN word problem.
Speaker B:So Awar, a rank three demon claims to have had six babies.
Speaker B:But then Morax, a rank two demon, then took his babies, which would then leave aware with how many babies?
Speaker B:Four babies.
Speaker B:And that's not enough babies for a decent meal.
Speaker B:I used to just enjoy, like, the idea of, like, demon school and, like, them having to do that in their essay jts.
Speaker B:Like, how many babies does Morax have left?
Speaker B:Well, solve for Morax.
Speaker A:Crowley's phone rings and it says, not moose.
Speaker A:So Dean has called Crowley and calls him Peaches.
Speaker A:Or, yeah, he calls Crowley Peaches.
Speaker A:But basically, Crowley's pissed because they sent his son back in time to die.
Speaker A:And they're like, look, that was his idea.
Speaker A:But also, we need your help with.
Speaker A:With some Hellhounds.
Speaker A:And so Crowley's, like, asks his minions.
Speaker A:He's like, wait, what happened with the Hellhounds?
Speaker A:And he's like, oh, one got out.
Speaker A:He's like, okay, well, kill the person watching the cow.
Speaker B:Ramsay has got out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Crowley's like, yeah, you need to kill the guard.
Speaker A:And then he poofs.
Speaker A:And he appears in Gwen's house.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And while he's talking on the phone, though, and it's like talking about having the kennel guards killed.
Speaker B:Painfully.
Speaker B:Dean is just making a blah, blah, blah sign with his hands.
Speaker B:I'm like, you guys.
Speaker B:You guys are just like, okay with Crowley just being like, Emery, just gonna kill all those people.
Speaker B:And you're just like, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:That's how far we've come, Mr. Winchester.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we go to Sherman's Diner, where Cass goes in the alley and meets a very attractive angel.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:His name is Kelvin.
Speaker A:Several shows I watch, so we'll get there.
Speaker A:But, yeah.
Speaker A:And he wants to team up to find Kelly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And her unholy butt.
Speaker A:Fun.
Speaker A:But back in Glenn's house, Crowley's like, look, it's not just any Hellhound.
Speaker A:This is the Hellhound.
Speaker A:The first Hellhound.
Speaker A:When after.
Speaker A:At creation, God wanted a make.
Speaker A:The Creator's best friend.
Speaker A:And then it was a little too aggressive, so he was gonna put it down.
Speaker A:But Lucifer rescued Ramsay.
Speaker B:What the God?
Speaker B:Like, you can't train a dog like you're God.
Speaker B:Like you mean something.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I'm just like.
Speaker B:This just seems like bad dog owners to me.
Speaker B:Like, you just need to, like, it's not the dog's fault that she's aggressive, sir.
Speaker B:I think it's a way that.
Speaker B:What were you training her to do by God's best friend?
Speaker B:Were you by.
Speaker B:I don't know, like, were you trying to fight her or something?
Speaker B:What was God best friend?
Speaker B:I don't trust you, God.
Speaker B:Anyways, so he was going to.
Speaker B:Going to put down his puppy and.
Speaker B:And Lucifer is the one who rescued them.
Speaker B:Lucifer.
Speaker A:And now Ramsay is loyal only to Lucifer.
Speaker A:And Gwen's taking this all in.
Speaker A:And she's like, wait, what?
Speaker B:By Lucifer?
Speaker B:She can be controlled.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:So that means she has hope.
Speaker B:She's not a lost cause.
Speaker B:Not just a dog to be shot in the air for no reason.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But we don't have to worry about Lucifer because Lucifer's locked in a cage.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:And they're like, well, then why is this?
Speaker A:Why is this?
Speaker A:Why is Ramsay after Gwen?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And then she's like, well, I hit it with an axe.
Speaker B:Ax.
Speaker A:And Crowley says, does tend to hold a grudge.
Speaker B:And then he wants some outer head on a wall.
Speaker A:Yeah, because it'd be good.
Speaker B:Don't like that.
Speaker B:So then Dean says, just when I think this gig can't get me weirder.
Speaker B:And Crowley replies with, it can always get weirder.
Speaker B:Weirder, which is the title of my next X tape.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:So in the meantime, while Crowley is up hanging out with Sam and Dean and Gwen, our demon minions have located Lucifer.
Speaker A:And one of them, Thomas, kneels and is like groveling and the other one's like, I knew all along.
Speaker A:And they're talking about how Crowley is very prancy and that they release the Hellhound as a distraction because they have stolen the key and they are going to.
Speaker A:Then they pickpocketed Crowley and they are going to free Lucifer after he hears
Speaker B:their demands, which apparently there is going to be many.
Speaker B:But first we're going to go to woods and get some thorough digging around inside of Trump.
Speaker A:It's a very thorough trunk.
Speaker B:Very thorough.
Speaker B:Because once again, she is a mess.
Speaker B:And you don't have an organized spot to put your Hellhound glasses.
Speaker A:What the hell?
Speaker A:Such a. I mean, that'd be a perfect kit label.
Speaker A:Hellhound sounds either way.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So we've got Crowley and Dean are going to team up and walk through the woods.
Speaker A:Sam and Gwen are going to drive in baby.
Speaker A:And Dean is very concerned about Sam riding the brakes and baby and not taking good care of her.
Speaker B:But Sam knows how to drive.
Speaker B:And so the Crowley and Crowley and Dean are going to walk down the trail to sick a hollow.
Speaker B:And Ramsay's already following.
Speaker B:Following them.
Speaker A:Yeah, this happens very quickly.
Speaker A:So back at the diner, or they're at like a diner.
Speaker A:Cass is asking Kelvin how things are in Heaven.
Speaker A:And he's basically saying like, look, this Kelly and Lucifer's baby thing has brought all of the warring factions together.
Speaker A:Everybody is on the same team because this shit's bad.
Speaker A:This is bad.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:So it's an all hands on deck situation.
Speaker A:And he's been tasked to basically convince Castiel to help because he has the most field experience, even though he's worked the Winchesters.
Speaker A:It's even better to have Heaven on his side waiting in the wings.
Speaker A:Which I really like that reference wings anyways.
Speaker A:But I do like.
Speaker A:Kelvin also has a great comment.
Speaker A:He like, I love Earth.
Speaker A:You know, it's quirky and it smells like hay, but it's not home.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Cass is just like, look, I'm not welcome in Heaven.
Speaker B:And Calvin is just dangling this, well, what if you could come back, Karen?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:And they're just like, look, if you help us track down this Kelly Klein situation, they will welcome him back.
Speaker B:But he's.
Speaker B:It's not him.
Speaker B:Like, he's just a messenger.
Speaker B:And there's someone else who is going to help, and that's Joshua.
Speaker B:So we all like Joshua the gardener.
Speaker B:At least so far we've like Joshua the gardener.
Speaker B:And Joshua's back in the picture and has a plan.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And it would be a chance for Cass to be back part of the family again for the greater good.
Speaker A:Which always gets Cass in trouble.
Speaker B:Yeah, but he can.
Speaker B:He always can't help it.
Speaker B:He loves the greater good.
Speaker A:He does love the greater good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Back at the asylum, one of the minions wants a thousand souls and to be crowned the new King of the Crossroads.
Speaker B:Which is sound like a musical.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:King of the Crossroads.
Speaker A:But Tommy just wants to make Hell great again.
Speaker B: So this was: Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:So Victor, the.
Speaker A:The first demon is like, I'm gonna unlock you.
Speaker A:And so Lucifer gets unlocked.
Speaker A:He takes a big stretch and then he grabs Victor and he poofs him out, snaps his fingers and gone.
Speaker A:And then he's gonna do the same to Tommy.
Speaker A:But Tommy's, like, really excited about getting off by Lucifer and gets called out for making it weird.
Speaker B:He does.
Speaker B:He makes it really weird.
Speaker B:And Lucifer kills him too.
Speaker A:And I like all the weird references.
Speaker A:This is like the third times people have referenced getting weird.
Speaker A:Because it is.
Speaker B:It's a weird episode.
Speaker A:But I also appreciate they acknowledge that.
Speaker A:So Crowley is making fun of Dean and his Hellhound glasses.
Speaker B:He just looks so Clark Kenton them.
Speaker B:I just works on him.
Speaker B:And Crowley's just giving him.
Speaker B:And Dean calls him soft for saving the girl of the week, but then he thanks him for saving Cass.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's like, oh, whatever.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:You think I'm getting soft that I changed?
Speaker A:You're the one hanging out with the King of Hell.
Speaker A:Maybe I'm.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe it's going the other way around.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And Sam and Gwen are driving and she apologizes.
Speaker A:This is all her fault.
Speaker A:And she needs.
Speaker A:Needs Sam to pull over because she is just sick about.
Speaker A:Just sick about it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So luckily he pulls over in time so she doesn't vomit all over, baby.
Speaker B:And Crowley and Dean have found Ramsay's den.
Speaker B:And that's where we find Marcus.
Speaker B:And he has been dragged there.
Speaker A:But Ramsay isn't there because after Gwen gets back, after puking, she tells Sam that the going on camp trip was her idea.
Speaker A:And she really liked Marcus, but he loved her more than she loved him.
Speaker A:So basically she was going to break up with him.
Speaker A:She took him on this campy trip because she knew they was their last hurrah because she was leaving.
Speaker B:He was going to have pity breakup sex with him and then dump him.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:When she moved away to school.
Speaker A:And now he did.
Speaker A:But anyways, Sam goes to turn on the.
Speaker A:Turn baby back on the lights.
Speaker A:Headlights come on and who do we see right in front?
Speaker A:Ramsey.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So I also kind of confused that they can drive with these glasses on, but apparently they can.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:The goofy dust doesn't make anything but hell found appear.
Speaker B:Doesn't.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So she breaks the windshield.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And jumps on the roof of the car.
Speaker A:Oh, that's so much body work.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so Sam takes out the demon knife and tells Gwen to stay in the car.
Speaker B:Then outside jumps Ramsay, jumps on Sam and his glasses fall off.
Speaker A:So now he can't see her.
Speaker A:So he's able to like get away.
Speaker A:Because Gwen does get out of the car and wax Ramsay with a bag with a cooler.
Speaker A:Oh, it's a cooler.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So yeah.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then Sam blindly stabs her and she dies.
Speaker B:Oh my God, Sam.
Speaker A:And then Dean is pissed about the condition of baby because she.
Speaker A:Both the front and back windshields are broken and the roof is smashed in.
Speaker A:And I'm sure the hood has some scratches too.
Speaker B:Too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that's just not a replaceable thing.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's going to be a lot of things.
Speaker B:That's why Sam can't drive.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker A:And so Crowley is like, okay, well this is done now.
Speaker A:And Gwen hugs Crowley
Speaker B:and he says he has to go.
Speaker B:And before he goes, Sam thanks him
Speaker A:awkwardly too, but very kindly for.
Speaker A:And then he just poofs out.
Speaker A:Out.
Speaker B:And Gwen thinks Crowley seems nice.
Speaker A:Yeah, she does.
Speaker A:So when Crowley returns to his asylum, he finds Lucifer sitting on the throne, mocking him about, oh, you thought you were two steps ahead.
Speaker A:And Lucifer backhands Crowley and does flexes
Speaker B:like a punch like.
Speaker B:Because it's like a cross between like a slap and a backhand punch.
Speaker A:Pretty severe.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker B:It was pretty harsh.
Speaker A:And he flexes his fucking angel wings and his red eyes and he is all fucking like ready to just like end Crowley.
Speaker A:But Crowley snaps his fingers and it all fades away.
Speaker A:And Crowley's like, no, no, I said I was 10 steps ahead, not two.
Speaker A:By the way, your whole spiel in that vessel, every molecule has sigils on it.
Speaker A:And because your whole vessel is, is.
Speaker A:Is your dungeon, is your prison.
Speaker B:So every they Took all the spell work from the cage and the crap.
Speaker B:Changed all.
Speaker B:Put that into the spell that went into his vessel.
Speaker B:So Crowley says that he owns him and he's just getting started.
Speaker A:Crazy.
Speaker B:And he's gonna first go after his spawn.
Speaker B:And then instead of backhand punching him, he really punches him just in the face.
Speaker A:This gives him a hard punch.
Speaker A:Straight punch.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we cut.
Speaker A:And Crowley, or Castiel, calls Salmon Dean.
Speaker A:He now knows that Kelly is with Daigon.
Speaker A:And he who is known for her.
Speaker A:What do they call it?
Speaker A:Psychotic Savagery.
Speaker B:I think is titled My Next Band.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But they don't know where they are right now, so.
Speaker A:And that's pretty much the report out.
Speaker A:But Cass and Kelvin are at the playground and getting ready to go to heaven happen.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And Cass doesn't tell them that he's doing that, but.
Speaker B:So then.
Speaker B:So in the bunker, Sam's phone rings and it's Frodo.
Speaker B:And Dean asked if it's a computer again.
Speaker B:And Sam confesses that it was a British Mint of letters this whole time.
Speaker B:It's been them the past few weeks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he didn't say, because you hate them.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, no, we hate them.
Speaker A:What are you talking about?
Speaker A:And Sam's like, yeah, but because of
Speaker B:them, the Alpha's dead.
Speaker A:They get results.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:You know, I shouldn't have lied, though.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, okay, I don't like it.
Speaker A:I don't trust them.
Speaker A:But we work with people we don't trust all the time.
Speaker A:Like Crowley.
Speaker A:So, okay, whenever.
Speaker A:Some.
Speaker A:But as soon as something feels off, we gotta bail.
Speaker A:That was easy.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And Mick calls him again.
Speaker B:And Dean tells him to pick it up.
Speaker A:Pick it up, pick it up, pick it up.
Speaker B:And that's how we end.
Speaker B:So we'll get back to our final feelings on that.
Speaker B:But before we do, any mean girls we gotta learn about.
Speaker B:Or in their ugly boyfriends.
Speaker B:Or I don't.
Speaker B:I don't know who.
Speaker B:Who we're gonna learn about.
Speaker B:Casting couch.
Speaker B:It's the casting couch.
Speaker C:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker A:La La.
Speaker A:So first is Gwen.
Speaker A:It's Angelique Rivera.
Speaker A:She is Amanda in the movie Eat Brains, Love.
Speaker A:And Evie in American Crime.
Speaker A:It's a repeat character on that series.
Speaker A:Marcus was played by Connor Patton.
Speaker A:He's been in episodes of iZombie and Riverdale.
Speaker A:And he is the recurring character Tyler in the series Happy Face.
Speaker A:He also played Lance Bass in Britney Ever After.
Speaker A:Thomas as one of our demons is played by Paul Piskowski.
Speaker A:There we Go.
Speaker A:He's been episodes of Arrow, iZombie, Big Sky a few times, Nancy Drew a few times, Yellow Jackets and the Good Doctor.
Speaker A:He's also Gallows in the movie Vampire and is the rear character named Robert in Resident Alien.
Speaker A:Victor, our other demon is is played by Mark Senior.
Speaker A:He's been in episodes of Arrow, iZombie, the Whispers and Magicians.
Speaker A:He's a repeat character named Mr. Vaughn in Greece.
Speaker A:Rise of the Pink Ladies.
Speaker A:Let's say they'll get best one for last.
Speaker A:So Herb Nelson.
Speaker A:No offense to anybody, but Herb Nelson was played by Gabe Couth.
Speaker A: unfortunately passed away in: Speaker A:He's Patrick in the original it, Rodney in Ernest Goes to School.
Speaker A:He's in Sneezy and Mr. AKA Mr. Clark in once Upon a Time as a regular character.
Speaker A:He also did a ton of voice work from X Men and he meant for cartoons to Mobile Suit Gundam, Inuyasha and Powerpuff Girls.
Speaker A:Kelvin is is played by Nathan Mitchell.
Speaker A:He's been episodes of Tomorrow People, Arrow I Zombie a few times.
Speaker A:He it was Stroker in Electro Woman and Dinah Girl.
Speaker A:He is Black noir in the Boys, a regular character.
Speaker A:And Zion and Ginny in Georgia, another regular character in that series as well.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:So yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, there we go.
Speaker A:It's quite Calvin's character, the actor he's in.
Speaker A:He's in a lot of other things too, but he's just a very handsome man and a good actor.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:I. I have no problems watching in anyways.
Speaker B:So what beyond the handsomeness of.
Speaker B:Of Kelvin, what did you think about this episode?
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:So the.
Speaker A:The whole thing with Gwen was weird, but kind of like the episode because I really think it laid out a lot of what was going on.
Speaker A:I think it was really good storyboard, like storylining out for the season, in my opinion.
Speaker A:And I like that there's just the word.
Speaker A:They called things weird a lot and I thought that was funny that that was like.
Speaker A:Like a word that they went back to.
Speaker A:Always appreciate stuff like that.
Speaker A:But yeah, I was.
Speaker A:I was intrigued because you're kind of like, oh, Crowley's.
Speaker A:And then you're like, oh, he's not okay.
Speaker A:He was ahead of the game.
Speaker A:I'm kind of impressed.
Speaker A:Crowley, you really were ten steps ahead.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, because we are.
Speaker B:We know where the storyline is probably going just because it's Lucifer and.
Speaker B:But, you know, at least Crowley's getting some wins in now, which, you know, and makes you root for Crowley.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Who are you gonna root for?
Speaker B:You're gonna root for sure.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:So you're.
Speaker B:It kind of forces you to pick a side.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:And then you.
Speaker A:And you're rooting because he's actually.
Speaker A:Because, like, you're not.
Speaker A:Like, you're like, oh, man, this is the worst plan ever.
Speaker A:It's so dumb.
Speaker A:And then you're like, okay, maybe he did have a good.
Speaker A:He has a plan.
Speaker A:He has a plan.
Speaker A:Still don't know if it'll be good.
Speaker B:But, you know, maybe you should stop taunting people so much.
Speaker B:It's never a good idea.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And then I think that, you know, I thought was really interesting that.
Speaker A:But I also kind of get where Dean's mind was at.
Speaker A:I. I was so, like, there's no way he'll go for the Bruce metal letters.
Speaker A:I'm like, okay, I guess he did make a good point.
Speaker A:He's like, we work with people.
Speaker A:Don't trust a lot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:And at least they didn't drag out.
Speaker B:I mean, apparently they would drag it out through the show.
Speaker B:So they had, like, three weeks of long lying of Sam, like, getting intel from the British Men of Letters, and.
Speaker B:But apparently they've been getting a lot of hunts from them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Dean likes that.
Speaker A:He likes staying busy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He likes killing things.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:But work at least said, you know, at least they're acknowledging that they're bad guys and that's.
Speaker B:They know, I mean, sort of what to look out for, I guess.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Agree.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Any other thoughts?
Speaker A:No, that's all I got.
Speaker A:All right.
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