13:02 The Rising Son
There was a motel in Wisconsin, they did not call the Rising Son but the Black Hat Motel, which is where we found our Winchesters in Season 13, Episode 2. This is also the introduction of Asmodeus, however the eff you say his name, and Liz gives the background lore on him.
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On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, the Winchesters ruin another housekeeper's day.
Speaker B:And we have a failed group smite.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:And I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And we're going to talk about season 13, episode 2, the Rising sun, spelled.
Speaker A:With an oh, not with a U.
Speaker A:So it's a play on words.
Speaker A:It is also the name of the second series of the Supernatural comics.
Speaker A:I think that's how they say that.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I know it was one of the runs of it.
Speaker B:Okay, so.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:What have you been up to, Liz?
Speaker A:Publishing books, which.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:That's not a big deal at all.
Speaker A:I don't think it is.
Speaker A:So if you want to buy the first season of Lore and More is now available for sale on, on Amazon and wherever books are sold.
Speaker A:And I will say, though, it's probably slightly cheaper on Amazon, I don't, I don't like to promote them, but that's just.
Speaker A:That is the publishing world and how it goes.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Especially if I've been trying to do something myself.
Speaker A:So it's right now that's.
Speaker A:That's the way it is.
Speaker A:But so yeah, you can buy an epub book or you can buy the.
Speaker A:The print.
Speaker A:The print book and have real paper in your hands, which is sometimes nice.
Speaker A:And you can smell it.
Speaker A:It smells like a book.
Speaker B:Yeah, like paper.
Speaker A:Smells like paper.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So that's mainly, you know, I'm enjoying.
Speaker B:I'm so proud of you.
Speaker A:Oh, thank you.
Speaker A:So, yeah, everybody, like, you know, read it and then write me some reviews.
Speaker A:And that would be most helpful because that's how you watch go up in these world is by having reviews and likes.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And I don't know, I'll probably do some free book giveaways and things because I have the other ones coming out.
Speaker A:So I'll probably give some.
Speaker A:Give some away.
Speaker B:That's exciting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And beyond that, I've been dealing with cat, you know, cats having surgery.
Speaker A:So that's always fun.
Speaker A:So success, successful, successful.
Speaker A:And it's just adorable when 20 pound cats get put into tiny little cones and like the cone doesn't really fit around their head and it's got Velcro on it.
Speaker A:And I feel really sad.
Speaker A:Like this thing is like that cone is like Velcro to like the biggest, like the last, like the last little strand and still it's kind of like you're kind of squeezing him.
Speaker A:He's like, ah, And I.
Speaker A:And of course, he's like, bumping his head into things because he's still.
Speaker A:You know, he's still really high from the surgery.
Speaker A:Poor kitty.
Speaker B:That's what happens.
Speaker B:Poor kid.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Poor kitty.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And what about you?
Speaker B:I feel like there's something else, but I don't remember.
Speaker B:Oh, I.
Speaker B:The thing I forgot to tell last week is I went and saw Harry Potter and Sorcerer Sewn at Stone at Cosm.
Speaker B:And that was really fun.
Speaker B:But also, it's.
Speaker B:There's only two in the country.
Speaker B:It's like the.
Speaker B:It's not a sphere, but it's like a sphere.
Speaker B:It's like the old omnis.
Speaker B:But they.
Speaker B:They build the whole movie into it.
Speaker B:It's really cool.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Like a background, not the whole movie, but it's.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:It's like a very.
Speaker B:I don't want to say interactive, but it kind of is.
Speaker B:I don't know, like you're not doing anything.
Speaker B:It's just a bigger experience.
Speaker B:It's experiential.
Speaker B:I don't know, one of those words they would use for it.
Speaker B:It was neat and then.
Speaker B:But, yeah.
Speaker B:And then I saw.
Speaker B:What else?
Speaker B:Oh, I went and saw a concert outdoors this weekend.
Speaker B:It was in the evening.
Speaker B:It was still hot, but it was really fun.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that's it.
Speaker A:We've gotten.
Speaker A:You know, summer is here.
Speaker A:It's really hot and it's really humid, and it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's kind of oppressive.
Speaker A:Like, I still.
Speaker A:Normally, I can kind of handle hot, but.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:This is not easy to handle.
Speaker B:It's a lot.
Speaker B:And then we had some crazy storms rolling through now, so it'll be interesting.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But, yeah, no, it's definitely pool season, and I'm stoked about that.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Just rub it in.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Use your pool.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, I didn't mean to pour salt in that wound.
Speaker B:That's okay.
Speaker A:Maybe it was, like, maybe this week, but no, it's gonna rain more and probably ruin, like, all the things that they're trying to do.
Speaker A:We'll probably just dump more algae.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that just sounded like the dog.
Speaker A:The dogs also do not appreciate my pool not being usable.
Speaker B:They don't.
Speaker B:Well, it sounded.
Speaker B:Something exploded outside, so I was, like, waiting to see.
Speaker B:Did a transformer go?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:There's a big storm coming in, but.
Speaker B:And then the dogs were pissed.
Speaker B:That's what I know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So here we go.
Speaker B:Well, let's talk about the rising sun.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So, the Rising Sun.
Speaker A:This was season 13, episode 2.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:It was directed by Thomas J. Wright, who we saw last season with Lily Sunder.
Speaker A:Have some regrets.
Speaker A:And episode two, Mamma Mia.
Speaker A:It was written by the team of Eugene Ross Lemming and Brad Buckner, who we.
Speaker A:They did a bunch last season, including the end of the seasons.
Speaker A:There's something about Mary.
Speaker A:That one.
Speaker A:And so they were also responsible for the British invasion, so we can thank them for that one.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, they're back to do this.
Speaker A:And so here we are in episode two, and we get our recap.
Speaker A:And our recap's not too long this time.
Speaker A:It's just the princes of Hell, everybody is dead and gone.
Speaker A:The devil's got a kid.
Speaker A:Dean wants to kill the kid still and bring him home.
Speaker A:That's about it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we open at the asylum with Drexel protecting Lucifer's throne.
Speaker A:So why have they moved the throne there?
Speaker A:Like, why shouldn't this be back in Hell somewhere by now?
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like, why would they keep this at the same place?
Speaker B:So that's a reasonable question.
Speaker B:And we have a drunk demon, and.
Speaker B:Because basically, he's convinced nothing.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That Lucifer's gone and Drexel's.
Speaker B:No, he's gonna return, and he's gonna make Hell great again.
Speaker B:And the lights flicker, the doors bust open.
Speaker B:We have a bright light, and in enters the most interesting man in the world.
Speaker B:No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker B:Not Lucifer either.
Speaker B:It's a bearded man in a white suit.
Speaker A:A very white suit suit.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And he demands them to their feet because he is Asmodeus, and he has big face scars.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he is the fourth prince of Hell.
Speaker A:And he is going to rule until Lucifer comes back with his son, R. But he is going to bring back the fire and brimstone.
Speaker A:He doesn't want any of his crap that Crowley put in.
Speaker A:And so things are going to go back to the old ways.
Speaker A:And he calls forth Drexel and some other minions.
Speaker A:And it's kind of like that.
Speaker A:Like a reality show time where it's like, please step forward.
Speaker B:Very agy.
Speaker B:Very agt.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And we're about to see who's going to get cut and who's going to.
Speaker A:You know, who's going to go and.
Speaker A:But the ones who got called forward, surprising.
Speaker A:They're the winners.
Speaker A:Everyone else gets killed,.
Speaker B:And then he take.
Speaker B:And they get killed, and their eyes burn out.
Speaker B:And then he takes off his coat and flashes his yellow eyes at us.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So we Got some more yellow eyes.
Speaker A:And we go to baby, where Sam is offering to drive.
Speaker A:Jack is asleep in the backseat.
Speaker A:And Sam is still trying to talk some.
Speaker A:You need some sleep.
Speaker A:Sense into Dean, who is just.
Speaker A:He's just so traumatized by being hurt.
Speaker A:He has nothing else to do but be traumatized and want to end the problem.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's just not feeling it.
Speaker B:And so Sam wants to start talking feelings.
Speaker B:And that is not what Dean is feeling.
Speaker B:But Sam does have a point.
Speaker B:You haven't slept.
Speaker B:It's a lot to process.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, no, we.
Speaker B:You know, that's just.
Speaker B:You know, we tried the new rules where we bend them, where bad guys aren't so bad.
Speaker B:And then we were sure that things would get fixed, but then everybody we care about got hurt.
Speaker B:So are we.
Speaker B:Is this our reverting now on his ethical dilemma?
Speaker B:Like, what the.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:Dean?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Anyway, so he's just like, you know, we're starting with the obvious.
Speaker B:We're gonna fix the problem.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:He calls Jack it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, well, the problem was only a problem because, you know, it might be our only shot at saving Mom.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, no, Mom's gone.
Speaker B:So, anyways, so where do we cut to?
Speaker B:Apocalypse Land.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And in Apocalypse Land, Mary and Lucifer are trudging over some dirt.
Speaker A:And Mary says, there just isn't a point to this because Lucifer is just going to kill her.
Speaker A:And Lucifer counters with the fact that he's got a modicum of intelligence and he needs her alive so he can exchange her for his son.
Speaker A:So that's his plan.
Speaker A:He's going to exchange Mary for Jack, although he doesn't know Jack is Jack yet, you know, and so she thinks that he couldn't care about saving a child.
Speaker A:And he's like, you don't know what the I care about.
Speaker A:You know, you don't know me at all.
Speaker A:And then a meteor thing, like, flies in, and Mary disappears.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was like, is it a meteor?
Speaker B:Is it a missile?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:So I just like meteor, like is the way.
Speaker B:It took me a really long time to come up with the word missile.
Speaker B:It was very concerning.
Speaker B:It's one of those days where you're like, what is the word?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we go back to the asylum, and Drexel is making his report to Asmodeus, which is really hard to say.
Speaker B:I want to say Asmodeus so bad.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But basically, there's no trace of Lucifer and no sign of his son.
Speaker B:And they are looking for an infant.
Speaker B:And that's when Asmodeus yells at them that Jack's not.
Speaker B:Well, you know, Jack the son is not an infant.
Speaker B:But either way, with Lucifer's gone, he's, you know, going to be the one.
Speaker B:You know, when he comes back, he's gonna be.
Speaker B:Or if Lucifer doesn't come back, then when the son comes back, he can be set on the throne and Asmodeus will be his advisor.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's kind of like the same plan that Dagon had.
Speaker A:This is what all the princes of Hell want to do with Jack.
Speaker A:They basically want to be his mentor.
Speaker A:And I think there was Regents.
Speaker A:There's a.
Speaker A:There's a word for it, like an old.
Speaker A:In old feudal times, and when there was monarchies and somebody would like.
Speaker A:It's like you with.
Speaker A:The king was like, five, and so somebody else would, like, rule in their place until they were old enough to do it, you know, so that's what he wants to do.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But he's.
Speaker B:Yeah, but he's like, you know, and he's also like, watching Drexel take all these notes about it.
Speaker B:He's like, okay, well, we're gonna, you know, find some.
Speaker B:We're still gonna keep trying to find Lucifer, too, because if we didn't do that, Lucifer be pissed.
Speaker B:And Asmodeus is going to explain that he knows what an angry Lucifer can do.
Speaker A:Like, you think you know Lucifer.
Speaker A:How do you.
Speaker A:I know Lucifer.
Speaker A:You don't know Lucifer.
Speaker A:I know Lucifer for longer.
Speaker A:You want me to show you how?
Speaker A:Lucifer gave me the.
Speaker A:On my face.
Speaker A:That's how much I know Lucifer.
Speaker A:I let him me up and I'm.
Speaker A:Now I'm his little.
Speaker A:Which is pretty much me.
Speaker A:What he explained pretty much, yes.
Speaker A:He says that eons ago, he freed the Shadim, who are Hell's most savage, and he thought he could train them, but Lucifer forbade it and lock them up.
Speaker A:And they marked up his face and the pain and humiliation forged an internal bond between them and made him Lucifer's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I explain where some of this comes from.
Speaker A:This is lore, And according to our, you know, gospel of truth.
Speaker A:Wikipedia, Shadim originate in Jewish mythology.
Speaker A:So either they descend from.
Speaker A:They have a lot of versions, so buckle up.
Speaker A:So either they descend from serpents or from demons in serpent form, which ties.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:Let's wait a moment to see if they call again.
Speaker A:Okay, so he was depicted in the Lesser Key of Solomon as having three heads, an ogre, a ram, and a bull, all traditionally Horny animals.
Speaker A:He also has the feet of a cock, also a horny animal, a serpent's tail and wings.
Speaker A:He is known to ride a dragon and breathe fire.
Speaker A:In the dictionary, infernal.
Speaker A:He is portrayed as having the breast of a man, a cock leg, a serpent tail, three heads, one of a man spitting fire, one of a sheep, one of a bull.
Speaker A:And he rides a lion with dragon wings.
Speaker A:And I don't know.
Speaker A:I must have meant to put something else here.
Speaker A:I just says and neck.
Speaker A:Oh, I guess it has a dragon's neck, maybe.
Speaker A:So that's an interesting thing about.
Speaker A:So I. I love the breast of a man.
Speaker A:So I guess it just means he has like a man chest or something.
Speaker B:Yeah, something like a child would, like, draw.
Speaker B:Like in one of those games where you have each person draws an animal piece.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So within the book of Tobit, a deuter.
Speaker A:Oh, damn it.
Speaker A:I practiced this word in my head earlier.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So within the book of Tobit, a deuterocanonical book of the Bible, Asmodeus is said to have been obsessed with a human named Sarah.
Speaker A:And he would kill every man she married the night of their wedding.
Speaker A:And he had killed up seven of her husbands, soon to be husbands so far.
Speaker A:And for Sarah.
Speaker A:So every time she's going to get married on the night of their wedding, he shows up and they're in her wedding chamber and kills the man who married her.
Speaker A:So she's like a widow eight times over.
Speaker A:So she prays to God.
Speaker A:God sends Archangel Raphael, who told her soon to be husband, Tobias, he should make an incense out of the heart and liver of a fish.
Speaker A:And when Asmodeus appeared in their wedding chamber, the smell repair repelled him.
Speaker A:No, because it was incense made of the heart and liver of a fish.
Speaker A:And you're burning it.
Speaker A:I don't know how sexy time you're gonna have there.
Speaker A:Like, oh, baby, like, we got some.
Speaker A:Some fish incense here.
Speaker A:Let's get it on.
Speaker A:So he fled to Egypt, but Raphael found him and bound him up.
Speaker A:And then he comes up in the Testament of Solomon, where he is said to live in the constellation of the great bear, Ursa Major, through which he plots against newlyw heads, makes women hormonal, and ruins the beauty of virgins.
Speaker A:Raphael is Asmode, Asmodeus's arch nemesis in.
Speaker A:In the Testament of Solomon.
Speaker A:And his weakness is still the smoked liver and gall of a fish.
Speaker A:So that's just his.
Speaker A:His.
Speaker A:His Kryptonite.
Speaker A:So when.
Speaker A:When he is brought before King Solomon, he tells him he was born of a human mother and an angel father, which would make him a Nephilim.
Speaker A:It would.
Speaker A:He tells Solomon that his.
Speaker A:That Solomon's power over the demons is just temporary.
Speaker A:His kingdom would eventually be divided.
Speaker A:And I think this is an interesting quote.
Speaker A:Demons will go out against man and will be worshiped as gods because humans will not know the names of the angels who fought the demons.
Speaker B:Ooh, deep.
Speaker A:So Asmodeus then admits that he is afraid of water.
Speaker A:Solomon has him bound up and flogged to confess what else he was up to.
Speaker A:And he confesses all his stuff about, like, the virgin and the getting the people to commit adultery and all that stuff.
Speaker A:So Solomon puts him in iron chains and surrounds him with 10 jars full of water and forces him to make clay vessels for the temple.
Speaker A:He's also burning the fish liver and gall to keep his tongue under control.
Speaker A:Solomon then uses the power of his ring to compel demons to finish building his temple.
Speaker A:After it was done, he boasted to Asmodeus that he couldn't understand how demons could be so powerful if their leader could be so easily bound.
Speaker A:This feels like this is a very Crowley, Lucifer type thing.
Speaker A:What's going on?
Speaker A:And then he tells him that if Solomon removed his chains and gave him his rings, he could prove how great he was.
Speaker A:And then for some reason, Solomon does this and gives him his ring.
Speaker A:And then Solomon was flung from Jerusalem into exile while Asmodeus took the throne.
Speaker A:As the day is threw the ring into the sea.
Speaker A:But Solomon's lover Naama finds a ring in a fish belly, gives it to Solomon, who regains his powers, zaps back to Jerusalem and puts Asmode Asmodeus in the jar.
Speaker A:So the Dictionary Demons by Michelle Bellinger cites that the Grimoire of Armadale pairs Asmodeus with Leviathan and says that these two demons are good for teaching the magic magician about the malice of other demons.
Speaker A:But the magicians should be careful because they both lie.
Speaker A:So you can't trust anything they say.
Speaker A:So maybe you don't want to conjure them.
Speaker A:So these guys are often.
Speaker A:These guys.
Speaker A:So Asmodeus is often associated with witchcraft and he appears in a number of famous grimoires and magic texts, really like this one.
Speaker A: k of Black Magic and Pax from: Speaker A:I really enjoy thinking about Hell having casinos.
Speaker B:I was gonna say, I was like, hell has casinos.
Speaker A:And it just seems, you know, it just reminds me of, you know, In Victorian England, where they had all the gaming parlors and stuff like, that's what I feel like Hell is like.
Speaker A:Hell is like the British gaming parlors of the late.
Speaker A: The late: Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So since we can never get away from the golden dawn on the show, Samuel Mathers and of said secret society, in his translation of the sacred magic of Abramelin the Mage, he names him Asmode and identified him as one of the eight ruling sub princes of Hell.
Speaker A:Subprint Sounds like a category on Fet life to me.
Speaker A:I did I identify as a sub prince?
Speaker B:Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And also, according to that book, Asmodeus can make crazy banquets because he has the power to produce food.
Speaker A:Now that I think is an awesome power.
Speaker A:If you can make me a charcuterie platter, like whenever I just want something to nosh on, I am down for this.
Speaker A:He also has the power to transmute metals and transmogrify people and animals into whatever shapes he wants.
Speaker A:Pretty good, right?
Speaker B:That is good.
Speaker A:In the Janua Magica Reserata, also known as the Keys to the Gateway of Magic, he is a prince residing over the demons and the order Ultores Scolorum, or Revengers of Evil.
Speaker B:Revengers of Evil.
Speaker A:Revengers.
Speaker A:Art Leg.
Speaker A:So it's like an Avenger, but with a.
Speaker A:With an R. So a Revenger.
Speaker A:Are you doing Revenge?
Speaker A:But you're.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think it's a really fun thing.
Speaker A:And it sounds like a metal band that should have like, or at least my title of my next album, Preventures of Evil.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A: the Malleus Maleficarum, the: Speaker A:So like I said, he's.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:And we'll come back to this, I think he may be mentioned more than Lucifer in most things.
Speaker A:I think he's more famous than that.
Speaker A:But I never saw anything in any of the lore about him wearing an ugly ass white suit.
Speaker B:You really hate those white suits.
Speaker A:They have their moments.
Speaker A:Like a.
Speaker A:A woman in a white suit, not in a white nightgown could be powerful.
Speaker A:But it also.
Speaker A:It's to me, that is.
Speaker A:You're just asking to put ketchup on.
Speaker B:It or spill your coffee or dirt.
Speaker A:Just sit in something or get cat hair all over it.
Speaker A:Although I have cat hair all over everything I own.
Speaker B:So that's my dog hair here.
Speaker B:So yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So that is the lore behind as Modeus.
Speaker B:The only way I can remember it is I just want to start Singing Amadeus.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Asmodeus.
Speaker A:Asmodeus.
Speaker A:So we go to the Black Hat Hotel.
Speaker A:Not the Black Cat, the Black Hat.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean's annoyed that they're stopping to sleep.
Speaker B:But apparently, according to Sam, he was hallucinating sheep in the road.
Speaker A:I used to hallucinate cows in the road.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:When I get really tired, I was driving, and I'd be like, oh, there's a cow.
Speaker A:And then, like, there wouldn't be a cow.
Speaker A:I'd just be really tired and need to not be driving.
Speaker B:I listen to a person walking on the road once, so that was terrifying.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was not good.
Speaker B:You know when you stay up too late and try to.
Speaker B:Or not sleep at all and just try to drive?
Speaker B:It was a bad idea.
Speaker B:Bad idea.
Speaker A:We've learned our lessons.
Speaker A:Okay, so go on.
Speaker A:So much like the.
Speaker A:Like, then we stopped.
Speaker A:We stopped and got off the road.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker B:And Jack thinks the motel room is wonderful.
Speaker B:And so Sam's doing boards.
Speaker B:Jack's trying to watch Scooby Doo.
Speaker B:Dean makes him stop because Dean's a killjoy.
Speaker B:And she throws him a Bible.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:And Sam offers a Take the couch.
Speaker A:But Jack says it's fine and starts to read the Bible.
Speaker A:I think it's interesting that Jack needs sleep.
Speaker A:That is a good observation, because Cass doesn't need sleep.
Speaker A:So that is a human.
Speaker A:I would feel like.
Speaker A:And he has to eat, too.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And so Cass doesn't have to eat.
Speaker A:So I feel like that is ticks in the team human side.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker B:Those are good observations.
Speaker B:Or maybe he just really wants to eat.
Speaker B:Because even if I didn't have to eat, I might want to.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's been.
Speaker A:You know, he, like.
Speaker A:I mean, obviously they're eating winches, so he's eating burgers.
Speaker A:And I've eaten, like, two burgers in the past week, and I still kind of want another one.
Speaker A:I don't know what's going on.
Speaker A:I'm just craving, like, burgers and fries.
Speaker A:But anyways, so Jack is gonna read the Bible.
Speaker A:And so then they all start eating except Sam, who is spray paint room.
Speaker A:And at this point, I want to know, is the spray paint the most effective?
Speaker A:Like, shouldn't you just get a Sharpie?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:You're like, they go, those fat sharpies now.
Speaker A:Get a fat Sharpie.
Speaker A:You could have that room done in, like, two minutes with, like, a bingo marker.
Speaker A:Wouldn't that work a thing?
Speaker A:Like a paint pen?
Speaker A:Like, I think anything is more efficient and easier to carry around than a bunch of spray paint cans also.
Speaker A:He's spray painting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the fumes that you have doing this all inside to this motel.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:You're permanently marking up this motel and on the windows with all these sigils.
Speaker A:And the hotel doesn't notice from the outside that, like, oh, my God, there's a bunch of sigils on.
Speaker A:What the is happening in room 210?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's very.
Speaker B:It's very odd because we do get a later line about housekeeping.
Speaker B:And it's like, well, you think this would be just as much of a concern, but.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Can you imagine housekeeping walking into that room?
Speaker B:Like, I hope they use a fake id.
Speaker B:I mean, not really, but, you know.
Speaker A:Of course they did, but.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I'm just teasing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they're eating their burger.
Speaker B:Well, Dean and Jack start eating burgers.
Speaker B:And Sam does join them.
Speaker B:But we have a funny scene where Dean's opening his beer and Jack's mimicking him.
Speaker B:And it's really kind of cute.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He doesn't know what to do.
Speaker A:So he's trying to be just like Dean.
Speaker A:And Jack says the Bible mentions his father.
Speaker A:And Dean says, yeah, he's got a lot of screen time.
Speaker A:And I'm like, no, does he really?
Speaker A:Because Lucifer is actually.
Speaker A:And this is where your nerd comes in.
Speaker A:Like, Lucifer is only mentioned once in the Bible, and that's in Isaiah.
Speaker A:And, you know, and so he's likely and only like being mentioned as a metaphor to the king of Babylon.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker A:In the New Testament, Lucifer doesn't appear at all.
Speaker A:But the devil or Satan is mentioned 30 times.
Speaker A:But Lucifer does.
Speaker A:So like one time.
Speaker A:One time in the Bible.
Speaker A:And that's just as.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I just think you need to get your facts straight.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You're throwing the Bible to him to read, sir.
Speaker A:And maybe you should pick it up.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker A:I don't know so well.
Speaker A:So Sam tries to explain that his dad is rough around the edges.
Speaker A:And Dean tries to explain, say he.
Speaker A:Than God.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Poorly.
Speaker B:Satan bad turned on.
Speaker B:Turned on his father, who was God.
Speaker B:And God created everything.
Speaker B:And then God skipped out and left Salmon D to fix everything.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:But I like Jack's observation that so God's like his grandfather, which is family.
Speaker B:And that's good.
Speaker B:He did some math pretty quick quick there.
Speaker B:So good for him.
Speaker B:But either way, Sam's trying to find out.
Speaker B:They're trying to figure out what Jack does and doesn't know because obviously Kelly taught him a bunch of shit when he was in the womb.
Speaker B:So let's figure it out.
Speaker B:And they want to know if he can teleport.
Speaker A:Which Kelly would not have talked to them, Right?
Speaker B:Would she teach that she doesn't know how to teleport?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so Jack doesn't understand the concept of what teleporting is.
Speaker A:And so they want to know, like, how you would get to the other side of this, like, really fast.
Speaker A:And he walks through the door.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's pretty funny.
Speaker B:But Sam's like, oh, maybe he's more human than we thought.
Speaker B:So Dean decides to ask him about his father reaching out to him while he was in Kelly's womb.
Speaker B:And Jack has these weird flashbacks about Lucifer when we saw Lucifer telepathically contacting him.
Speaker B:And red eyes and all that.
Speaker B:But he does not say anything about it.
Speaker B:And then we hear somebody in the hall.
Speaker B:Who's there?
Speaker B:Who's coming?
Speaker B:And so they open the door, and they pull this person in, and it's Donatello.
Speaker B:Hey, Donatello the prophet.
Speaker B:And he's like, hey, is God with you?
Speaker B:And they're like, wait, what?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Why would he be here?
Speaker B:So Donatello tries to explain that with God being gone, that it's, like missing an appendix.
Speaker B:And so whenever he has a moral quandary, he asks himself, what would Mr. Rogers do?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So he lives by the Mr. Rogers code.
Speaker A:And that's great.
Speaker A:And so why.
Speaker A:Why are they here?
Speaker A:And that's the question we all must ask.
Speaker A:But no, no, no, no.
Speaker A:What they want to know is, why are you in Wyoming?
Speaker A:And Donatello thought he had retired, so.
Speaker A:But when God left.
Speaker A:But he got knocked off his feet.
Speaker A:Was.
Speaker A:Jack was born.
Speaker A:He got drawn to it.
Speaker A:And they try to explain that he's Lucifer's kid and that Donatello is just.
Speaker A:And then tries to explain to the.
Speaker A:To Jack that Donatello is a prophet.
Speaker A:He used to have a direct line to God.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Donatello can feel up Jack's power.
Speaker A:And he thinks it's more like intense, intense waves, which makes Dean then say, well, maybe he's less human than we thought.
Speaker A:Oh, so now we've got the ticks on that side.
Speaker A:But Donatello tries to explain to Jack that he met Lucifer.
Speaker A:And this power isn't anything like it.
Speaker A:It's not dark.
Speaker A:It's not toxic.
Speaker A:And so that's one for Team Not Evil.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Dean's like, not yet.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker B:So anyway, there we go.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker B:Then Sam pieces together that if Donatello could find them by tracking this power, then angels can too.
Speaker B:So we need to protect Jack.
Speaker B:And we go to the.
Speaker B:Is this a tattoo shop?
Speaker B:What do you want to call this?
Speaker A:I think it's a tattoo shop.
Speaker A:It's just like one that you got to from an alley.
Speaker B:Okay, so we go to a tattoo shop in an alley.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:And they are going to put on.
Speaker A:They are.
Speaker A:They're gonna give him an anti possession tattoo, which I don't know why, but.
Speaker B:So it's a weird one to choose for him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the tattoo artist is unsure because Jack looks so unsure.
Speaker A:Dean's just like, just get this going.
Speaker A:And Sam says they are brothers and it's like a family crest.
Speaker A:And he pulls his shirt open to show his, which.
Speaker A:So, like, both Diana and I are sporting our anti possession tattoos tonight, which makes us look like we're just pulling our shirts.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Showing off our taste, I think, is that, you know, which, I mean, it looks kind of nice when Jared Padalecki does it too.
Speaker A:So, I mean, so she, you know, we're like.
Speaker A:But I had to ask my friend who is a tattoo artist because I was like, does Jack seem really shirtless to anyone else, like, in the scene?
Speaker A:And because he's just like.
Speaker A:He's so short shirtless.
Speaker A:And he was like, no, that's normal.
Speaker A:If you're getting a chest tattoo, you wouldn't have a shirt on.
Speaker A:But it just.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:He was like, maybe it's just a long angle of a shot and he looks so young or something.
Speaker A:I'm just like, put a shirt on.
Speaker A:This is too much.
Speaker B:Why would you do that?
Speaker B:You couldn't do that.
Speaker B:It would just get gross.
Speaker A:I know you would, but it's just.
Speaker A:It just felt really kind of naked, I guess.
Speaker B:He was really naked just an episode ago.
Speaker A:He was.
Speaker A:He was so.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So Sam and Dean just got have another discussion on is Jack evil?
Speaker A:And Dean thinks Sam is way too attached.
Speaker A:And Sam thinks that Jack's powers could be used for good.
Speaker B:And the tattoo starts.
Speaker B:We hear that sweet, sweet sound of the tattoo machine.
Speaker B:And the power source blows up and throws the tattoo artist into the wall.
Speaker A:And Dean thinks that's a sign.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's like.
Speaker B:He's mad.
Speaker B:And asks if Jack did it.
Speaker B:And Jack doesn't even know, but he says, that hurt.
Speaker B:And Dean's gonna give Jack a lecture that sometimes things hurt.
Speaker B:You have to man up and deal with.
Speaker B:And so Jack gives a very thoughtful response.
Speaker A:I mean, he's not wrong.
Speaker B:He's just.
Speaker A:Your pain is part of the human experience.
Speaker A:And accepting that as part of maturing And I talk about that in therapy all the time as I try to go to accept my life is suffering.
Speaker A:Life is pain.
Speaker A:It's how you know you're alive and just go with it.
Speaker A:That's how I try to make things that are so shitty seem okay.
Speaker B:Well, Sam pulls our tattooist is what they call it, this person.
Speaker B:We would normally say tattoo arts off the floor.
Speaker A:And I just call him the tattoo guy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Well, they.
Speaker B:He finishes two giant chess pieces on this young man with one anti possession tattoo.
Speaker B:And to match, Salmon Dean.
Speaker B:And then a big sigil in the middle of his chest.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And unfortunately, both of those disappear into his skin immediately.
Speaker A:Which Dean, of course, thinks is a second sign.
Speaker A:Second sign?
Speaker A:He's evil.
Speaker A:But I'm just like, why?
Speaker A:His skin just heals.
Speaker A:I don't know what you think that proves.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Outside the tattoo shop, there is a woman with a shopping cart who is watching, and she's a demon.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:So we go back to the motel, and Sam is just like, look, Jack had a reflex.
Speaker B:He didn't mean to blow up that tattoo artist equipment.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, oh.
Speaker B:So it's like if Castiel just was smiting everyone or smiting everyone every time he had his teeth cleaned.
Speaker B:And I just don't think that's a fair comparison, Dean.
Speaker A:I don't think so.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:But they are just debating the ethics of Jack.
Speaker A:And what they don't realize is that I guess they do.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker A:Jack is listening, right?
Speaker A:He's like.
Speaker A:Like, what?
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:And Sam argues that Jack might have Lucifer's DNA.
Speaker A:So they don't know if that's stronger than Kelly's DNA or if his connection with Cass is stronger.
Speaker A:And Sam really thinks that they can teach Jack not to be evil.
Speaker A:And Donatello is looking at this as no soul Donatello.
Speaker A:And as a scientist.
Speaker A:And she's like, oh, I'm not sure, but you can teach someone to be good like that.
Speaker A:You could do that, right?
Speaker A:And Dean just loses it and says that Jack is the freaking devil.
Speaker A:And Jack teleports.
Speaker A:Because I would too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Things are being like.
Speaker B:I get the apprehension, but he's a real dick in this episode.
Speaker B:That's what I got.
Speaker A:He's being a dick.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But we.
Speaker A:Now we can answer.
Speaker A:We have answered the can Jack teleport question.
Speaker B:So we have answered that.
Speaker A:Now we know that that is a yes.
Speaker B:And so Jack is crying on the ground in an alley by himself.
Speaker B:And we.
Speaker B:He is remembering Kelly telling him that she loves him and that.
Speaker B:That he'll be amazing.
Speaker B:And Sam finds him there.
Speaker B:And so obviously Jack heard everything they said.
Speaker B:So he's upset about it and he just wanted to be away from it all.
Speaker B:So then he was.
Speaker B:Good to know.
Speaker B:Good to know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Jack wants to know why Dean hates him.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:And Sam tries to explain.
Speaker A:Dean is just mixing his emotions, right?
Speaker A:And he feels like it's his job to protect everyone.
Speaker A:And it's their job to protect Jack from everyone, but they might have to protect everyone from Jack.
Speaker B:And so Jack's like, maybe I'm not worth all of this.
Speaker B:He's like.
Speaker B:And so Sam tells him that his mom and Castiel and his.
Speaker A:He does.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Oh, they think he's worth it.
Speaker A:So we know Sam is really getting on teen Jack at this point, right?
Speaker A:No matter what, how much he's like, trying to play off to Dean that he doesn't care.
Speaker A:I really feel like he is going over the line.
Speaker A:Over the line.
Speaker A:But I mean, going over the.
Speaker B:For sure.
Speaker B:On that side.
Speaker A:Team Jack.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And so we go to Dean's Natural habitat, which is a bar attached to a motel.
Speaker A:And the bartender asked Dean if he wants another and then says, oh, yeah, I've seen you around.
Speaker A:Are you just passing through with your buddies?
Speaker B:And he's like, no, it's my brother and a messed up kid.
Speaker B:And there's a conversation about issues with dad.
Speaker B:And she's like, oh, the older fellow?
Speaker B:He's like, no, he's a guy we work with.
Speaker B:It's awkward.
Speaker B:And so then the waitress talks about how she hated her dad and ran away, but no matter what, she still wanted the old man's approval.
Speaker B:And that's just how that goes.
Speaker B:And Dean can relate.
Speaker A:Dean said, yeah, same, samesies.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But he turns down another drink, which is not Dean, like.
Speaker A:And he's going for a walk.
Speaker A:So good for you, you know?
Speaker A:So you throw some cash on the table, and then we see a dead bartender behind the bar.
Speaker A:That's not a bartender at all.
Speaker A:That's Asmodeus, you sneaky little bastard.
Speaker B:Sneaky, sneaky.
Speaker B:But also big bad news.
Speaker A:So the fact that he can be anybody that he wants to be, that is not a good thing.
Speaker A:So we go back to the no.
Speaker B:Tell Hat motel, and Donatello goes in and talking to Sam because apparently they.
Speaker B:It's an.
Speaker B:It's the morning.
Speaker B:Ish.
Speaker B:And Jack stayed with Donatello because Dean was so fired up.
Speaker B:And he's just talking about how he's an interesting kid, you know, how powerful he's gonna be, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:So Sam's gonna cite some lore here that Nephilim are more powerful than the angel who sired them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's an interesting thing they're throwing in here.
Speaker A:And Donatello asks some probing questions about Jack's bond, or lack thereof, with Lucifer.
Speaker A:And Sam explains he's more bonded with Kelly and only has a fuzzy idea about Lucifer.
Speaker A:And since Kelly was good, maybe Jack can be molded that way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we go to Apocalypse Land.
Speaker B:Apocalypse Land.
Speaker A:And this is also not.
Speaker A:I don't like this scene at all.
Speaker A:Mary finds human.
Speaker B:She does.
Speaker B:She runs into a dude.
Speaker B:And first it's, you know, she identifies herself, and he's, like, done.
Speaker B:He's like.
Speaker B:He says that she walks like an angel, like she has a stick up her ass.
Speaker A:And then he said that she doesn't walk like it.
Speaker B:Oh, I thought she had.
Speaker B:And he throws holy water on her.
Speaker B:And then he is.
Speaker B:Talks about how he's never seen a female hunter before because apparently there are not in many women, period, since the wars started.
Speaker B:He's an interesting thing we hadn't heard yet.
Speaker B:Anyways, she's like, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker B:I was attacked by a fireball.
Speaker B:And he's like, oh, that was an angel.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:Then he gets real creepy.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:He makes.
Speaker A:And then they fight, and.
Speaker A:But then he dies when the Fisk goes through his jet chest.
Speaker A:And I am not sad, but that is Lucifer who did it.
Speaker A:And Lucifer punched him through the chest and tells Mary that they need each other.
Speaker A:And Mary snarks at Lucifer, who snaps her into pain and then snaps her out of pain.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's not ideal scenario for Mary.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And we cut out from Apocalypse Land to our hat motel.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean is ready to roll.
Speaker B:He's got coffee and snacks.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker A:I'm assuming there are snacks in that bag.
Speaker A:There had to be some sort of, like, pastry or something, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam wants to chat first because he wants them on the same page for.
Speaker B:For Jack.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, nope.
Speaker B:Not gonna be on the same page.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:And so, you know, he.
Speaker B:He really wants.
Speaker B:Sam really wants to figure this out, but it's just clear that they are not landing on the same page at all about this, no matter what.
Speaker B:Because even with mom's gone, you know, and Castiel's gone, if you.
Speaker B:You know, after all of this, we, you know, keep losing people we love.
Speaker B:We've been down this path before, but we always find a way to fix it.
Speaker B:That's his attitude.
Speaker B:Sam's got his.
Speaker B:And still keeping his optimism somehow in all of this.
Speaker B:And he insists that Jack just wants to do the right thing and that he is just scared of who he is, and he's scared of Dean.
Speaker B:Donatello comes in, and he's like, hey, I want to talk about Jack.
Speaker B:And this is real weird because he was just there talking about Jack, Right.
Speaker A:And he was like, nuh.
Speaker A:I was out getting spicy burritos.
Speaker B:Breakfast burritos.
Speaker A:Spicy breakfast burritos.
Speaker A:But they're in Wyoming, so, I mean, how spicy can they be?
Speaker B:It's probably normal.
Speaker B:Breakfast burrito.
Speaker B:Probably.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:With some tomato sauce on it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they all.
Speaker A:They go to Jack's.
Speaker A:Jack's room.
Speaker A:They find he's gone, and they're like, oh, what was it?
Speaker A:We go, was it a shifter?
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:But then Donatello is like, I am a human dousing rod.
Speaker A:So we are going to find which way they went.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, all right, we're gonna go get the gear.
Speaker A:And he's attacked by what we're assuming is a demon.
Speaker A:And then they fight and.
Speaker A:And then they show the windows again.
Speaker A:I get mad about the windows being spray painted with all the sigils and just a general damage they're doing to this hotel.
Speaker A:And Sam, luckily, saves the day, and he stabs the demon.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they're like, well, I guess the words out.
Speaker B:First angels, now demons.
Speaker B:Everybody's going to be after Jack.
Speaker B:And so they run to go find Donatello, who's getting his ass kicked in the hallway.
Speaker B:And Dean does a pretty impressive angel blade throw straight into this demon's throat.
Speaker A:Yeah, it didn't like.
Speaker A:But, like, it went in the right side and, like, hit him and just bounce off, which would also have been really funny.
Speaker A:But no, he made it work, and he died.
Speaker B:And this is where they make a comment about housekeeping, I think.
Speaker B:And I'm like, that's when you're worried about housekeeping, you dick in the hall.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So then we go to this field, right?
Speaker A:And, like, it's kind of weird.
Speaker A:Like, it's kind of like a bunch of buses of trees.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:A lot of trees have been knocked down.
Speaker B:But it's also, like, really, like, kind of pretty light, like flowers.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's a big field in Wyoming.
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker B:But our fake Donatello, because we know that.
Speaker B:That Jack's with fake Donatello, is talking about how he's a prophet and about God and that he got a message and that he needs to prepare Himself to use his gifts to fulfill his destiny.
Speaker B:Then he starts talking about hell and talking about how.
Speaker B:And Jack's like, that doesn't sound nice.
Speaker B:He's like, it's not.
Speaker B:It's kind of funny.
Speaker A:There's no casinos.
Speaker A:And he tells him the story, and he basically makes the story to be about, there's a bunch of soldiers that are trapped there.
Speaker B:God.
Speaker B:God soldiers.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:We need your help to get them out.
Speaker A:And God wants you to set them free.
Speaker A:And he tells Jack to do it for God and to focus.
Speaker A:And Jack scrunches his face a lot and starts doing it.
Speaker B:Trying real hard to open the earth to get.
Speaker B:Go down and let out these soldiers.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so we cut from that to baby.
Speaker A:Where Donatello is in the backseat backseat driving.
Speaker A:And he senses there is another power with Jack.
Speaker A:And it's getting stronger the closer they get to it.
Speaker B:And something about Jasper, Wyoming.
Speaker B:And they're like.
Speaker B:That feels dark.
Speaker B:And it's apparently because Jasper has its own Gates of Hell.
Speaker A:Hell.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker A:I forgot to check to see if that was real or not.
Speaker B:I'll just check.
Speaker A:Maybe it is.
Speaker A:So they have their own Gates of Hell, which we love to get a good gate to Hell.
Speaker A:And it's connected to a place where creatures too wicked for the pit to hold.
Speaker B:That might sound like our shitty.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a good description.
Speaker A:And Donatello is just like, turn, Dean, turn.
Speaker A:And we cut from there, though, back to Apocalypse Land and a monologuing Lucifer.
Speaker B:Her.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's so annoyed that Mary's tired and she's human and blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:Anyways, and then I did appreciate that.
Speaker A:It was wimpy little human with wimpy little lungs and wimpy little legs.
Speaker A:I appreciated the wimpies.
Speaker A:And we.
Speaker A:Yeah, we get a bunch of tactical angels.
Speaker B:Tactical angels arrive, and one of them said that he stood, that Lucifer stinks of Hell, but they don't believe he's Lucifer because Michael killed Lucifer.
Speaker B:So that's impossible.
Speaker B:And Lucifer is pissed that that's the truth.
Speaker B:He's like, what the.
Speaker A:Man?
Speaker B:So they are going to do a group smiting.
Speaker B:I appreciate.
Speaker A:They were going to group to smite all together.
Speaker A:So, you know, team, all at once, get ready to smite.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But then Lucifer snaps his fingers and they all go poof.
Speaker B:Gone.
Speaker B:More.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:More meteors come down.
Speaker A:And there is one angel emerges, emerging.
Speaker A:And Lucifer doesn't recognize him first.
Speaker A:At first.
Speaker A:But this is the archangel Michael.
Speaker B:Yes, it is.
Speaker B:So we cut from there.
Speaker B:Back to our fake Donatello yelling at Jack Rude about how that, you know, do it for God still.
Speaker B:And trying to make him like, open the earth.
Speaker B:And we see the earth open up.
Speaker B:And like this is a pit forming that is not.
Speaker B:Not good looking at all.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And freaking fake.
Speaker B:You know, his eyes.
Speaker B:Jack's eyes are glowing.
Speaker B:It's a whole thing.
Speaker B:And Jack's very proud of himself as these creepy hands start crawling out of the pit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Something is crawling out of the earth.
Speaker A:And baby pulls up just in time.
Speaker A:And Sam comes running out and tells Jack to stop.
Speaker A:And Donatello.
Speaker A:That's not Donatello.
Speaker B:Then he's like, that's not Donatello.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker B:But Dean's like this.
Speaker B:And just shoots fake Donatello.
Speaker B:Because he's a little trigger happy these days.
Speaker B:He is.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But does nothing.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:But it turns him into Asmodeus.
Speaker A:And he just starts choking everybody.
Speaker B:But Jack is pissed by this because they're hurting his friends.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he close.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker A:And as massmodeusa before this has given a.
Speaker A:An Aladdin moment.
Speaker A:And when he's like, I can show you the world.
Speaker B:But he said he does do that.
Speaker A:I can give you the world.
Speaker A:But whatever I felt it was very Aladdin.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Jack.
Speaker A:Yes, you're right.
Speaker A:He is upset that Asmodes is hurting his friends.
Speaker A:And Asmodeus just blinks out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He gone.
Speaker B:And they can all breathe again, which is good.
Speaker B:That's important.
Speaker B:So we go back to the apocalypse land where Michael is pacing around Lucifer and Mary and asks how it's possible.
Speaker B:Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:Lucifer's like, it's an alternate universe, interdimensional travel thing.
Speaker A:Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:It's her fault.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So we get.
Speaker B:Basically, they're.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:They're gonna fight.
Speaker B:That's what it comes down to a little bit.
Speaker B:But Michael's like, no, no, I'm not gonna kill you.
Speaker B:I might need you.
Speaker A:So something is going on.
Speaker A:Something's happening.
Speaker B:Lucifer needs Mary and Michael needs Lucifer.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So far, that's our triangle.
Speaker A:Mary is like, all of you.
Speaker A:And I know I don't want to be here.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:And we go back to the bunker where Sam and Dean are drinking beer and talking about Asmodeus.
Speaker A:And according to what Sam's reading that he is the end of the line of the princess of Hell.
Speaker A:So at least there won't be any more after him.
Speaker B:That's good, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But Dean's like, fine, I'm going to go to bed.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, wait a minute.
Speaker B:You need to.
Speaker B:I would like to point out that Jack saved us.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, no, it was just like a reflex.
Speaker B:Maybe next time he kills us.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:Dean.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker B:But Dean hears a noise down the hall as he goes to bed.
Speaker A:I hate this scene so much.
Speaker B:I'm not into this at all.
Speaker A:It's so, so disturbing.
Speaker B:He finds Jack standing in a bedroom, stabbing himself in the chest repeatedly with a knife.
Speaker A:With a butcher knife, too.
Speaker A:He's got all these, like, cuts in his shirt, and I just.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker A:And Dean just snaps at him.
Speaker A:And Jack wants to know what the hell he is.
Speaker A:And he's just worried because he can't control his powers and he's afraid he's gonna hurt somebody.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, well, my brother thinks that you can be saved.
Speaker B:And Jack's like, well, you don't.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, no, I don't.
Speaker B:And Jack's like, but what if you're right?
Speaker B:He's like, if I'm right and it comes to killing you, I'll be the one to it.
Speaker B:Do to do it.
Speaker B:And he leaves with his beer.
Speaker B:And I feel like he was trying to be reassuring in some ways.
Speaker B:And I also feel like this was not reassuring.
Speaker A:The feel is very threatening that I'm.
Speaker B:Going to kill you.
Speaker A:I don't feel like that would make me sleep.
Speaker B:Well, no, but.
Speaker A:So that's where we leave.
Speaker A:And let's.
Speaker A:Let's talk about some demons and some more demons and.
Speaker B:Casting cow.
Speaker C:Couch.
Speaker A:It's the casting couch.
Speaker C:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker B:Well, let's kick off with an angel, so we'll go with.
Speaker B:Michael is played by Christian Keys.
Speaker B:He's been in episodes of Beauty and the Beast, Legends of Tomorrow, Young and The Restless, and 911.
Speaker B:He was sunny and Medea Goes to Jail.
Speaker B:Niles in the series the Family Business, Funny enough.
Speaker B:And Nathan in the Boys as a regular character.
Speaker B:Our Asmodeus.
Speaker B:I cannot say it that way.
Speaker B:I'm so, so annoying.
Speaker B:Is played by Jeffrey Vincent Paris.
Speaker B:He's been in episodes of CSI Walker, Texas Ranger, NYPD Blue, Veronica Mars, Days of Our Lives, CSI New York, iZombie, Mad Men, Young and the Restless, Magicians, the Rookie, and more.
Speaker B:He's Leroy in LA noir the film and is a reoccurring character as both Carlos and Joe in General hospital, like, almost 100 times.
Speaker B:Our creeper hunter in the Apocalypse Land is played by Eric Brecker.
Speaker B:And he's been in a lot of stuff.
Speaker B: True calling,: Speaker B:He's a deputy in the movie Walking Tall.
Speaker B:He's sheriff in the movie the Fog.
Speaker B:He's a Major Reynolds in Stargate SG1, like all of them.
Speaker B:And a commander in X Men Origins.
Speaker B:Wolverine.
Speaker B:Our angel commander of our little militia of angels is played by Ryan Williams.
Speaker B:He's been episodes of Nikita, Beauty and the Beast, and Supergirl.
Speaker B:Our drunk demon, because why not?
Speaker B:Was played by Adil Zaidy.
Speaker B:He's been in episodes of Lucifer, the Flash, iZombie, Charmed, and Yellow Jackets.
Speaker B:He's an IT tech in Fifty Shades Freed.
Speaker B:And a reoccurring character is a nurse in the Good Doctor.
Speaker B:He's also done a lot of Hallmark.
Speaker B:And our tattooist is played by Mark Sweatman.
Speaker B:He's actually done some stunt work, but you've seen him in episodes of Smallville, Fringe, Izombie with Van Helsing, the Imperfects, and Tracker.
Speaker B:He's also a reoccurring character named Norval in the Flash.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:So a lot of overlap on those.
Speaker B:It's kind of fun when I see that.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker B:People have been in the same thing things.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, I'm very.
Speaker B:They're doing a good job at making me intrigued at Jack and making me very annoyed with Dean.
Speaker A:Yeah, the Dean.
Speaker A:Dean is very frustrating.
Speaker A:And I think because all of us can see that you need to not be on this.
Speaker A:I'm anti Jack train.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, it is so he's so pigheaded about it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's just unnecessary.
Speaker B:And, like, I'm not saying to just trust blindly.
Speaker B:Like, come on, now you're allowed to be, like, protect, like, a little bit of, like, off.
Speaker B:I don't know, standoffish about it, but it's like, nope, we're killing him.
Speaker B:Like, that attitude's, like, exhausting.
Speaker A:It's a little much.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And not even to, like, think about, like, how he could possibly help with.
Speaker A:Mary just doesn't automatically say that.
Speaker A:That's out of the question.
Speaker A:She's just gone.
Speaker A:We're not even gonna try.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's just like, you're just pouting.
Speaker A:I feel like he's, you know, Dean, the inner, you know, six year old again.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's a lot.
Speaker B:I think that that's just a frustrating part of this.
Speaker A:Like, the man baby.
Speaker A:Not the man.
Speaker A:Actual celestial man baby.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Who knew we.
Speaker A:I told you there was gonna be a man baby this season.
Speaker A:You just didn't know it was going to be Dean.
Speaker B:No, I did not.
Speaker B:I just assumed it was Jack from the start.
Speaker B:And Asmodeus is slightly terrifying, but I'm intrigued.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, it's.
Speaker A:It's the white suit that just does it for me.
Speaker A:Like, I can't.
Speaker A:There's no way I could.
Speaker A:Like you.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker A:You look like you need to have a mint julep and be bossing.
Speaker A:Like, you know, be.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It just doesn't.
Speaker A:It doesn't work for me.
Speaker B:I think it's kind of hot.
Speaker B:Well, I don't know.
Speaker B:I mean, hey, it's interesting.
Speaker B:It's interesting.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I appreciate that.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:We each have our own.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Apocalypse Land is weird.
Speaker B:As though.
Speaker B:And I don't know how I feel about that.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's very.
Speaker A:The tone is very.
Speaker A:The color.
Speaker A:It's very purgatory, like.
Speaker A:And it's in its filming.
Speaker A:Yes, it's.
Speaker A:I do appreciate the.
Speaker A:The different demons we get there because you can see, like, their.
Speaker A:Their body is lying around.
Speaker A:I appreciate a horny demon.
Speaker A:It's kind of nice, you know?
Speaker A:And the tactical angels are funny.
Speaker A:They're just, you know, like, oh, we're all gonna.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, the smiting as a team, like, that's just.
Speaker A:Was pretty funny.
Speaker B:Ready, aim, Smite.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I mean, you know, it's.
Speaker A:Poor Mary stuck with Lucifer as, you know, who, like, this is the.
Speaker A:The buddy movie that she didn't know she was gonna have for real.
Speaker A:The road.
Speaker A:The road trip movie.
Speaker A:Mary and Mary and Lucifer.
Speaker B:And then when she does get away, she ends up needing them anyways.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker A:I'm sad.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:Where they did his leave Donatello, that's the other thing.
Speaker B:Is he just, like, what happened?
Speaker B:He's just not there?
Speaker A:Yeah, I guess they dropped him off somewhere because Donatello just showed up.
Speaker B:He just showed up.
Speaker A:I wonder if there was a deleted scene of them saying goodbye that I missed out.
Speaker B:But I don't know, maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe he's already crashed out of the bunker.
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker B:Maybe he's there, too.
Speaker A:Who knows?
Speaker A:He could be there, too.
Speaker A:All right, well, the.
Speaker B:Wear it.
Speaker A:Where in the world is Donatello?
Speaker A:We'll find out next time on Double Strap Podcast.
Speaker A:Cheers, sir.
Speaker B:Cheers, bitch.
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Speaker B:Going up to the spirit in the sky that's where I'm gonna go when I die When I die and they lay me to rest I'm gonna go to the place that.
