13:05 Advanced Thanatology
Season 13, Episode 5 is titled "Advanced Thanatology". Thanatology is the study of death. Now do you get the joke? We delve into that, Billie's wardrobe upgrade, but lack of weapon containers, how Diana still hates ghost shudders, and then tells you all about the history of plague doctors, and it gets kinda gross.
Research Links
- Men in Tights: Charles De Lorme (1584–1678) and the First Plague Costume
- The Redolent Plague Doctor? – Death Scent
- Edinburgh's Dark Side
- 8 Fascinating Facts About Plague Doctors - Listverse
- Remarks On The Treatment Of Bubonic Plague on JSTOR
- The Plague Doctor: AN engraving by Gerhart Altzenbach (17th century). New Haven, Yale Medical Library, Clements C. Fry Collection on JSTOR
- How Did The Black Plague End? Experts Are Still Working On An Answer
- Plague Doctors, The Masked Physicians Who Fought The Black Death
- 17th-century Plague Doctors Were the Stuff of Nightmares | HowStuffWorks
- Plague doctors: Separating medical myths from facts | Live Science
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:Don't forget to add these to your shopping list this week.
Speaker A:Breakfast beer, ghost power tools, and chicken butt.
Speaker A:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And We're Talk Season 13, Episode 5, Advanced Thanatology, I think is how you say it.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think that is.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:So thanatology is a study of death.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is clever if you know that.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And I will say this where, you know, maybe to.
Speaker A:Not to spoil it, but the writer who wrote this, Steve Yoki or Aki, never figured out how to say his last name when he wrote all his episodes for season 12.
Speaker A:He was the one who put the names of the characters and all the titles.
Speaker A:So, like, that was the celebrating life of Asa Fox.
Speaker A:Lily Sunder has some regrets, Twigs and Twines, Sasha Baines.
Speaker A:And so interesting that he just kind of went completely away from that.
Speaker A:And now we're in this study of death, which is.
Speaker A:Ha.
Speaker A:You know, it's.
Speaker A:It's a. I think it's funny considering what happens in the episode.
Speaker B:Dark funny, but.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes, for sure.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:So what have you been up to, Liz?
Speaker A:Nothing, really.
Speaker A:I. I will say I had to have a conversation with my therapist about the anxiety attack I had in my pool and whether or not it was legitimate to be afraid there was going to be a snake and a skimmer.
Speaker A:And she thinks that my fears are totally founded and that, you know, they're not crazy.
Speaker A:And it's perfectly normal to be anxious of having a.
Speaker A:A snake in my pool because there have been snakes.
Speaker A:Like when I explained that there was a snake in the pool and it was in this.
Speaker A:So what happened is that we got a lot of rain.
Speaker A:Like, we had over 8 inches of rain.
Speaker A:And so my pool has really, really filled up.
Speaker A:And you can't see where the, you know, the water goes out to the skimmer baskets, the things that catch all the stuff.
Speaker A:And where they catch the stuff is where sometimes animals get trapped.
Speaker A:And, you know, I tried to have the little pool, like, floaty things that come out of there.
Speaker A:But anyways, when I got in there, the water is so high, you can't really see into the skimmer basket to see if anything is in there.
Speaker A:So it was like me for 20 minutes, like, looking at it, because you could.
Speaker A:The only way you could tell would be to either to swim right up to it or to go to the top and pull the.
Speaker A:The top thing out and look down into it, which I'm not pulling the top thing out because that's.
Speaker A:If there's something in there, then it's going to jump out and eat your face.
Speaker A:Like, I've seen like, be like a stick.
Speaker A:I've got.
Speaker A:I do have a reacher, but it's still, you know, I can use my, my pokey stick to, to, to do it.
Speaker A:But yeah, it's just.
Speaker A:And then like there was reflections of things there.
Speaker A:I'm like, is that reflecting off of scales?
Speaker A:Is that, you know, is there something in there that like, looks like it has scales and is coiled up?
Speaker A:That I just can't tell with the snake.
Speaker A:And then eventually I gave up and just was like, okay, if there's a snake in there, we'll be friends.
Speaker B:They probably can't get out if they're in the basket too, is the other good news.
Speaker A:That's the other thing.
Speaker A:Then they're stuck in there, which is sad.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:And I don't want them to be stuck in there.
Speaker A:But we'll find out when pool guy comes tomorrow.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And what have you been up to?
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:What did I do?
Speaker B:I feel like I've done a bunch of things, but I haven't done anything.
Speaker B:Oh, I went to one of the World cup games which was super fun.
Speaker B:That was at.
Speaker B:I got to go see England versus Croatia and the, the Brits were, were, were.
Speaker B:And the Croatians were, were a drinking in case you were curious.
Speaker B:But that was.
Speaker A:I read somewhere that it was supposed to be one of the, the best games to see was that one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it was a super high scoring and it was just like a really, like first for soccer.
Speaker B:It was a very exciting game because I don't find it particularly exciting sport typically, but it was, it was a really good time and a cool experience.
Speaker B:And there's just people from all over the.
Speaker B:The world literally there.
Speaker B:And that was cool.
Speaker B:Like, people in.
Speaker B:There was a people from Japan sitting in front of us, people from Britain behind us, expat that moved from England to us next to us, like, so it's just like people from all over.
Speaker B:It's kind of cool just sharing that.
Speaker B:And then people singing loud drinking songs and taking their shirts off like they do at all sporting events.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker B:But it was entertaining.
Speaker A:No, but doesn't happen at all sporting events.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:I mean, I guess it depends on like what you call like some sporting events, but not all.
Speaker A:Like, it's just sporting events.
Speaker A:People are not.
Speaker A:People are not like golf mats, matches.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Unless you go like Adam Sandler levels maybe.
Speaker A:But yeah, Gymnastic meets, I guess.
Speaker A:Cheerleading competitions.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, well, some sporting events.
Speaker B:Some American sporting events.
Speaker B:This was translated into the Brits is very well.
Speaker B:So yeah, they were ready.
Speaker A:I'm like karate matches.
Speaker A:I mean, I would say UFC fights,.
Speaker B:But they already have.
Speaker A:They do.
Speaker A:They do take.
Speaker A:The people in the crowd do take their shirts off and fight and, and, and drink and fight each other.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But yeah, so no, we did that.
Speaker B:That was a really cool thing to go experience.
Speaker B:And I had to go eat barbecue because all I keep hearing about is everybody from all over the world visiting Texas and eating barbecue.
Speaker B:And then so I had to have barbecue.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But yeah, they celebrated our 10th wedding anniversary and went to a really cool restaurant called Evelyn that's like Old Hollywood Steakhouse is their vibe.
Speaker B:And there's dancers sometimes like pop up.
Speaker A:It's really cute.
Speaker B:And then, and then, and then my stepson made us chili kiles on Father's Day and that was delicious.
Speaker A:Yay, Father's Day food.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, no, it wasn't.
Speaker B:I mean, but yeah, it was.
Speaker B:If somebody else cooking.
Speaker B:I'll take it.
Speaker A:There's somebody else cooking those.
Speaker A:Holy.
Speaker A:Would you pay for it?
Speaker A:Did you buy the groceries?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:What a cheap ass little bastard.
Speaker B:He's visiting from out of town.
Speaker B:It's different.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker A:But you go to the store.
Speaker A:Store and you buy the ingredients.
Speaker A:This is Father's Day.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker B:I'm not father's.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:I went shopping.
Speaker A:I made it work.
Speaker A:I know you're not the father.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker A:You're not cooking.
Speaker A:What a little brat.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:He's a brat.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker B:He cooked.
Speaker B:It was a delicious meal.
Speaker B:He cooked thing to do.
Speaker B:But chili killies and eggs and, and chili killies.
Speaker B:Eggs and skirt steak.
Speaker A:It was really Chili K. You know.
Speaker B:The chili K, it's delicious.
Speaker B:But yeah, so now I've been busy, I feel like.
Speaker B:But good busy.
Speaker B:I'll take it.
Speaker B:Cel.
Speaker B:Celebratory.
Speaker B:Busy is fun.
Speaker B:And then a lot of like downtime, like floating in the pool.
Speaker B:Like I would just have like 30 minutes of nothing.
Speaker B:I'm like, I'm going to go read in the pool for 30 minutes.
Speaker A:That was, yeah, very cool.
Speaker B:But yeah, that's what I got.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that's all I got too.
Speaker A:And I've got nothing new on our fellas.
Speaker A:Honestly, I didn't even check the news for it.
Speaker A:This Week.
Speaker A:So I'm bad.
Speaker B:It's kind of a bad season.
Speaker B:It's like bad time of year.
Speaker B:There's not much going on usually.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's just nothing going on.
Speaker A:There's nothing on tv.
Speaker A:Like, I finished watching the Owl House, which finished.
Speaker A: that was like wrapped in like: Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But that was.
Speaker A:I would, I would recommend.
Speaker A:I will add that in.
Speaker A:I would recommend that as a show.
Speaker A:It was like.
Speaker A:It was kind of.
Speaker A:It was a kid show on Disney Channel.
Speaker A:But it's about, I don't know about weirdos.
Speaker A:And I, I.
Speaker A:It was recommended by someone in one of my classes and so I liked it and.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyways, so I recommend watching that because there's nothing else to watch.
Speaker A:Everything is done.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:I guess.
Speaker A:Unless you want to watch World cup.
Speaker A:Like that's all.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:I mean AGT is still.
Speaker A:AGT is.
Speaker B:But that's.
Speaker B:It's just one big block and Drag Race All Stars.
Speaker A:But so that's.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's once a week at least.
Speaker A:Like, at least Agt like three hours or something like that.
Speaker A:So it kills like a good chunk.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:We do have a season of 90 Day Fiance.
Speaker B:So, you know, I'm all in on that.
Speaker B:And I'm still catching up on Farmer wants a Wife.
Speaker B:So I mean, I'm.
Speaker B:I'm gonna fill my time.
Speaker B:It's okay.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And I did watch Maternal Instinct on Netflix over this weekend.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:One of my problems with.
Speaker A:I just finished re.
Speaker A:Like is it took me a while to finish.
Speaker A:I like kept watching it at night and falling asleep.
Speaker A:So I finally finished watching it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Kind of right before we.
Speaker A:We filmed sort started taping.
Speaker A:And her accent, because it's East Texas, like just reminds me of my sister in law and also some of my family members.
Speaker A:So there's some things where I was like, oh, and like looking at like when they would show like, like fingers crossing.
Speaker A:Like I'm not knowing anybody that's showing up in this documentary because like those accents, I'm like, oh, these are too close to home.
Speaker A:These may be people I'm related to.
Speaker A:Please don't.
Speaker A:Please.
Speaker A:But yeah, it was.
Speaker A:That was quite a story.
Speaker B:It was very sad.
Speaker A:That is very sad and just bizarre.
Speaker B:I feel like I needed a little bit more like wrap up and I didn't get.
Speaker A:She's getting the death penalty.
Speaker A:I know, but wrap up than you need.
Speaker B:I mean, does she ever like explain or like say why she went crazy.
Speaker A:Pants and like cut Out a woman's baby.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:And it's not.
Speaker B:And that's not a spoiler, by the way, because it's a true crime thing.
Speaker B:We just.
Speaker B:This was just a story about it.
Speaker A:But yes, it's at the beginning of the episode of the documentary.
Speaker A:I don't think, I don't think it's a spoiler.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I just felt like there would be some kind of like a wrap up.
Speaker B:I don't watch a lot of those, so I don't know, I just felt like there'd be something like.
Speaker B:And then she admitted that she was bonkers.
Speaker B:I don't know, like something.
Speaker B:Give me something.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker A:And she's done a. I don't think, I don't know if she did Dateline.
Speaker A:I think she was other things, but I mean, they're, they're like, they can have interviews afterwards.
Speaker B:But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't really need to hear anything from her.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I guess I don't want to hear.
Speaker A:Anything, honestly, you know, I don't want to talk about death penalty stuff.
Speaker B:No, that's a different conversation.
Speaker A:That's a different conversation.
Speaker B:She was convicted for her crime.
Speaker B:That's what.
Speaker A:She was convicted.
Speaker A:And you know, the whole situation for the whole family is just really sad.
Speaker A:And it's just really weird too because there was like some of the rodeo world was kind of crossed in there too.
Speaker A:So it was just kind of like.
Speaker A:Oh, like, it's just.
Speaker A:It was very Texas.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And a lot of like people who I felt like I could have known, like, like I can literally be related to.
Speaker A:Not like I relate to, but I feel like I could be.
Speaker A:Well, I can feel like that, that gossip happening and like I can see that family checks, that text chain, you know, just happening like, oh my God, did you see?
Speaker A:So and so.
Speaker A:So I, I would recommend that too.
Speaker A:This is very different from the Owl House.
Speaker A:Very, very different.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:It is not a Disney kids show.
Speaker C:Not.
Speaker A:But yeah, I will say like, like there is a, an owl, like in the Owl House is a demon who possesses the house and his name is Hootie.
Speaker A:And they start calling him Hur at some point and I'm just in love with it because his name was.
Speaker A:Of course I would just be like, oh, I love the thing that's named like Lucifer.
Speaker A:But anyways, all right, let's talk about this show.
Speaker A:Let's talk about Supernatural.
Speaker A:This is what we're here to do.
Speaker A:We're here to talk about Supernatural.
Speaker A:And so this is Advanced Thanatology, episode 5 from season 13.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:It was directed by John F. Showalter, who last season did American Nightmare, the British Invasion and who We Are.
Speaker A:And as I said earlier, it was written by Steve Yoki Yaki.
Speaker A:Sorry, sir.
Speaker A:Someday just tell me what you call get a come on the show and tell me how to pronounce your name and I'll get it right.
Speaker A:So last season is that he did Asa Fox, Lily Sunder, and Tasha Baines.
Speaker A:So we go to our recap and it's a pretty extensive recap.
Speaker A:This time we've got younger Sam and Deans and Dean's just dying over again.
Speaker A:We get death.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, I missed death.
Speaker A:Then we get Dean killing death.
Speaker A:Then we rehear Billy saying that she was gonna toss the boys into the Empty the next time they die.
Speaker A:Now that we get to rehear that line after seeing Cass in the Empty, I think that that line a whole like different.
Speaker A:So I'm glad I put that back in there.
Speaker A:Then we have Billy being stabbed by Cass, reminded that that happened, and Dean apologizing for being a dick.
Speaker A:And then they're just like, look, Dean actually apologized, admitted to he was a dick.
Speaker A:So we have to have show that he could do that.
Speaker A:And asking Sam to keep the faith.
Speaker A:And that's where we.
Speaker A:We re.
Speaker A:We start off.
Speaker A:And then we go to Grand Junction, Colorado.
Speaker B:Kids, man.
Speaker A: is is where you can tell it's: Speaker A:Because they're hopping fence with actual cameras and not phones.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But they're small camcorders.
Speaker B:But they each have their own small like camcorder.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they are sneaking in at night to an abandoned mental hospital with a bunch of signs that say keep out.
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker B:So I'm creeped out.
Speaker B:I'm not excited.
Speaker B:This is Diana for myself speaking.
Speaker B:And I know there's going to be jump scares because they're talking about.
Speaker B:And then they also discussed how they don't.
Speaker B:How they.
Speaker B:They don't.
Speaker B:How they should both have full batteries.
Speaker B:But they.
Speaker B:We don't see a full battery.
Speaker B:It's really annoying.
Speaker B:Like the batteries.
Speaker A:That's frustrating.
Speaker A:Why.
Speaker A:Why did you not charge your equipment before.
Speaker A:Before you did this with the.
Speaker A:Okay, so one of the teens is getting scared.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And wants the bail.
Speaker A:And the other one assures him that it will be awesome.
Speaker A:And the house is unlocked.
Speaker A:And that's weird to one of them.
Speaker A:And we should be weird to the other one as well that this house is unlocked.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker A:And I think this house is weird as they go into it because it's full of stuff.
Speaker B:There's a lot of stuff in it for an unlock.
Speaker A:This is, like a full.
Speaker A:A full of, like, no one, like, has, like, come in, like, messed out in here.
Speaker A:Like, what the.
Speaker A:Why is there so much just regular doctor stuff still here?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And I've seen abandoned houses and haunted houses with stuff in them before.
Speaker A:There's never this much stuff.
Speaker B:It's a lot of stuff.
Speaker B:So they go upstairs and the music intensifies.
Speaker B:So I'm, like, super stressed and don't even want to look at the screen now, in case you were curious.
Speaker B:But they.
Speaker B:1.
Speaker B:The one kid's talking about how there was this creepy doctor, and they go into his office where there are plague masks and maps of brains, where apparently he would cut open the heads of his patients.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they decide that they are going to seal one by stuffing it into a backpack.
Speaker A:And seriously, why would these masks be here?
Speaker A:There is no way this house would exist to be abandoned and have those masks there.
Speaker A:People would have stolen that shit, like, so long ago.
Speaker A:People would have taken them.
Speaker A:They would have been wearing them.
Speaker A:They would have been sold.
Speaker A:They would have been on ebay.
Speaker A:There is no way.
Speaker A:Like, they were just sitting in this.
Speaker B:House for years and years, for decades, for just, like.
Speaker A:No, I'm sorry.
Speaker A:I don't buy this.
Speaker A:I don't buy.
Speaker A:So they put it in the backpack, and there's some weird noises and voices.
Speaker A:Then there's a guy, and he's a plague mask.
Speaker A:And he has a drill.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he attacks them.
Speaker B:And one of the.
Speaker B:So the camera gets dropped.
Speaker B:The other camera's been put down.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:As I say, the boss here of the kids, he is got.
Speaker B:He gets.
Speaker B:Gets got by the dude, the doctor dude with the drill.
Speaker B:And the other one gets a cut but runs away.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you just hear, like, drill sounds and screaming.
Speaker A:Chill, baby.
Speaker A:Jill.
Speaker A:And like, as the scared one runs away.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So then we go to the bunker.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean is making a PB and J for breakfast.
Speaker B:And Sam offers him a beer with it because Sam's gonna be weird.
Speaker A:And Dean declines with an I'm cool.
Speaker A:Which is probably much like what I would say if you offer me a beer at, like, with breakfast, just be, like, cool.
Speaker A:I mean, I get you saying that.
Speaker A:Dean says it.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:So Sam has a case, though, about this.
Speaker B:A.
Speaker B:This teen.
Speaker B:Sean is his name, was.
Speaker B:Was found wandering along the highway, and his best friend's missing.
Speaker B:And he would only say one word.
Speaker B:And that was monster.
Speaker A:Monster.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And energy drink.
Speaker B:He's really tired.
Speaker B:He needed one really bad.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm more of a Red Bull zero kind of girl, but do you.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:So basically Sam's like, why don't we just go.
Speaker B:We'll leave Jack here.
Speaker B:He'll be fine.
Speaker B:He's, you know, watching all my fantasy DVDs.
Speaker A:Including Beastmaster 2.
Speaker A:The one with a Time Traveling Ferrets.
Speaker B:Yes, that's what he says.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, he'll be fine.
Speaker A:Dean wonders how Sam ever, ever got laid.
Speaker B:He does.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, that's because there's girls that like that stuff too.
Speaker B:But anyway, so he's extremely hot.
Speaker A:So Sam decides he's gonna leave Jack behind with some extra weight.
Speaker A:Rewarding.
Speaker A:And so they decide they're going to roll up.
Speaker A:They roll up to Colorado and they pull up in suits.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam gives trades IDs with Dean.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Dean also thinks that's weird because they're going to be Paige and Plant.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B:Anyways, it's.
Speaker A:And Sam.
Speaker B:Sam is just being overly iconic.
Speaker A:Sam is being overly nice.
Speaker A:But apparently he always wants to be Paige and he doesn't.
Speaker A:You know, so this time he's going to be Robert Plant.
Speaker A:I wouldn't want to be Robert Plant either, but I also wouldn't want to be Jimmy Page.
Speaker A:Anyhow, so.
Speaker A:So they go into the house for the.
Speaker A:The family of the scared boy who ran away.
Speaker A:And this is Sean.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And the mom is kind of confused while they're there.
Speaker B:But also, like, Sean apparently can't or won't talk because of the psychological trauma he experienced.
Speaker B:And so Sam's gonna sit and talk to mom while Dean goes and tries to get Sean to talk, where Sean is frantically drawing plague doctor masks.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then the mom.
Speaker A:Because we're kind of going back and forth and the mom says that Evan is still missing.
Speaker A:But there's a third friend, too.
Speaker A:His name is Mike.
Speaker A:And they would never do anything without him.
Speaker A:So she's not sure, like, why Mike wasn't there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Then.
Speaker A:Then we go back to the other room and Dean asked Sean if that's a monster, the plague mask doctor.
Speaker A:But he's drawing and he's like, is this the monster about you told the cops about?
Speaker A:And he's like, I know what it's like to see monster.
Speaker A:But me, me and my brother, we're the guys who stop monsters.
Speaker A:We're the ones who scare them.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Gotta talk.
Speaker B:Gotta talk.
Speaker B:So Sam and Dean go to the Hotel.
Speaker B:We set our next scene and we find out Sean did not talk.
Speaker B:We got no.
Speaker B:So Dean did not get any intel from him.
Speaker B:But they're gonna go find Mike next, this other.
Speaker B:The one of the trio of friends.
Speaker B:And then Sam suggests that they go to the strip club.
Speaker B:And Dean is confused once again.
Speaker B:Apparently the strip club is called the Clam Diver.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:And apparently has really good reviews on the Internet.
Speaker A:It must be by the airport to have that name.
Speaker A:It must be by the airport.
Speaker A:But, oh, my God.
Speaker A:I also do appreciate strip clubs that have Internet reviews.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So apparently Sam has been reading their reviews.
Speaker B:And Dean is like, wtf?
Speaker B:Like, why are you being weird?
Speaker B:And Sam's like, I'm just trying to be nice because, you know, you're all up, basically, is what he's saying.
Speaker B:At Dean says he's fine, but.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's gonna fight his way back the way he always does.
Speaker A:That's of the three B's.
Speaker A:Bullets, bacon and booze.
Speaker A:And he rings a bell on the counter.
Speaker A:And Sean wakes up screaming in bed.
Speaker A:Because we're going to go from that hotel to poor Sean in his bed and his mom's going to come in and tell him it's just a bad dream and.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Like, if my son had been experiencing that type of trauma, I'm not sure my response is.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm not, you know, judging you and your mom skills here, lady.
Speaker A:But, you know, her response is, come in, tell him that his screaming that he's had is from a bad dream, kiss him on the forehead and leave.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:I mean, when he's that traumatized, maybe stay with him a little longer or something.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Take him out of the room.
Speaker A:Do something.
Speaker A:It just seems.
Speaker A:But so.
Speaker A:But apparently he had reason to be afraid because when she shuts the door, the sound of a drill comes from the corridor.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:And the plague doctor ghost thing is there.
Speaker B:And it does the shuttery thing.
Speaker B:And you know, I hate the shuttery thing when it moves like that.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So he screams and he runs at Sean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that we cut to the motel or hotel where Sam is woken up at 8am by his alarm.
Speaker B:And Dean's bed is still perfectly made.
Speaker B:But Dean is there on the floor, dressed, still with a bra around his neck and a tie around his head.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he is snoring really, really loud.
Speaker A:And Sam just decided to get dressed and just leave Dean there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he Goes to find Mike, who is loading hay out in the country.
Speaker B:And he's like, I already told the cops.
Speaker B:I don't know where they went.
Speaker B:I wasn't with them.
Speaker B:He said, I don't know where Sean went.
Speaker B:I wasn't with them.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, you're lying.
Speaker B:Don't you see the cop shows?
Speaker B:I know how to tell.
Speaker B:I know how to tell, too.
Speaker B:Anything you forgot to tell the police, you should tell me.
Speaker B:And so, basically, he's convinced that Evan, the other kid who's missing that we know is dead, is pulling some kind of a prank and hiding out.
Speaker B:And then he finally spills where they.
Speaker B:That they were going to the Meadows place and that Evan dared them to go.
Speaker B:But Mike was scared, and he just wanted to be assured that his friends are gonna be okay.
Speaker A:No, I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Poor Mike, man.
Speaker A:Like, we kind of lose like this.
Speaker A:The mic thread's gonna get lost here.
Speaker A:So this is the last we hear from Mike.
Speaker A:So sorry, Mike.
Speaker B:Hi, Mike.
Speaker B:Bye, Mike.
Speaker A:Hi, Mike.
Speaker A:And we go to the hotel.
Speaker A:Has a buffet, which is, like, really pretty stellar if you've got a hangover to have a buffet with.
Speaker A:Like, this is, like, a pretty nice continental.
Speaker A:Like, it looks like a good one for.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker B:And Dean is getting all the bacon, and then Sam kind of gives him some, but then also hands him a beer, so he's happy about that.
Speaker A:Oh, what the hell?
Speaker A:You're just enabling him now.
Speaker A:You're just enabling him.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, I can't do hair of the dog.
Speaker B:I always hear people say that.
Speaker B:That just always makes me feel worse.
Speaker B:So I don't get it.
Speaker A:But, you know, it depends.
Speaker A:I mean, the thing is, like, if we.
Speaker A:The hair of the dog just means you're getting drunk again.
Speaker A:That's just, like, where we're.
Speaker A:Where we're going, so.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:All right, so Sam gives me the tablet and the low down on Dr. Meadows.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So Dr. Avery Meadows, in the early 60s, had a.
Speaker B:A facility.
Speaker B:And no matter what a patient actually had, the cure was a lobotomy.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And if they survived the lobotomy, which sounds like a lot.
Speaker B:Didn't.
Speaker B:Then they became his patients for further experimentation.
Speaker B:So he was later arrested, tried, and executed.
Speaker B:But who knows?
Speaker B:Could be a demon deal, could be something inhuman, could be something else.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:But they have a lead, at least now.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And Dean asked, what's up with the creepy ass mask?
Speaker A:And Sam explains that it's a plague mask that doctors use because they thought they filtered out disease and Meadows was wearing one when he was caught, and they had to rip it off.
Speaker A:And we're going to talk about what's up with that creepy ass mask.
Speaker A:This is lore, And we're going to talk about plague doctors.
Speaker A:And this is going to get real gross.
Speaker A:But first, it's kind of.
Speaker A:I don't want to say it's boring.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:Nothing I say is ever boring, but.
Speaker A:Or dry.
Speaker A:Because everything I say is interesting, but it's.
Speaker A:It's less at the beginning.
Speaker A:That's what I'm going to say.
Speaker A:So, yeah, the pasta doesn't come until later.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Plague doctors were hired by European towns as government contractors specifically to treat plague patients.
Speaker A:While most towns already had doctors, those doctors were in private practice and didn't want to die from the plague.
Speaker A: during the plague outbreak of: Speaker A:They were just like, see ya.
Speaker A:I don't want to deal with this.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So generally, the plague doctors were new physicians, or those doctors who couldn't really do well in private practice, or just volunteers who thought they could help after seeing, like, other people doing it.
Speaker A:Like, this really reminds me of miracle workers, the dark ages season, where she.
Speaker A:She's like, I want to be a doctor.
Speaker A:And he's like, this is all you have to do to be a doctor.
Speaker A:That's what I feel like.
Speaker A:The plague doctor is like, got it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the contracts of many plague doctors have survived, and that does give us insight into their pay and their duties.
Speaker A:Their roles were more administrative than medical, as they were tasked with tracking the number of plague deaths and bearing witness to the dying's last request and wills.
Speaker A:So, you know, people would come in like, oh, I have the plague.
Speaker A:No one else wants to be there but the plague doctor.
Speaker A:So this is what happens all my stuff.
Speaker A:And hopefully the plague doctor was honest and would.
Speaker A:Would tell the, you know, the real thing.
Speaker A:They also occasionally did perform autopsies.
Speaker A:Some had roles in organizing burials.
Speaker A:Usually in that capacity, they were the ones to signal to the corpse bearers that it was time to collect the dead.
Speaker A:So they weren't like, carrying the bodies out, but they were the ones who'd be like, yep, this one's officially dead.
Speaker A:He's not, you know, he's not faking it.
Speaker A:Or mostly dead.
Speaker A:He's all dead.
Speaker A:And then he's mostly dead.
Speaker A:And then you bring out your dad.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then the wagon would come by and they pick him up.
Speaker A:That's historically accurate.
Speaker A:So they also certified the house as plague free after the required quarantine period was.
Speaker A:Was filled, meaning that the survivors could then reenter society.
Speaker A:So that was an important thing that they did.
Speaker A:Within their contracts, they were required to treat everybody in town, regardless of economic status.
Speaker A:Although wealthier customers were likely to be sold additional tinctures and protective potions.
Speaker A:You know, because you have the extra buck, so you get the, you get the good stuff.
Speaker A:The doctor was supposed to not charge for her services.
Speaker A:With the plague, customer could offer money.
Speaker A:Their salary, though, was usually more than enough to make charging unnecessary.
Speaker A: the city of Orvieto, Italy in: Speaker A: ct for Giovanni di Ventura in: Speaker A:And he was offered 30 florins a month, which was equal to about 40 grams of pure gold, which I have no idea how to relate to modern currency.
Speaker A:The Newcastle blog gave the comparison that a skilled worker in the same town would struggle to earn 60 florins over 200 days.
Speaker A:And this is just the world's world worst word problem.
Speaker A:Yeah, so plague doctor in a town is making.
Speaker A:Yeah, so but it's just to say they had a good living while you lasted.
Speaker A:Giovanni was also offered a free furnished house and citizenship in Pavia as long as he didn't up.
Speaker A:The town also agreed in the contract to keep a barber surgeon on the payroll to lance plague boils because that was too gross for physicians to do.
Speaker A:The town's attitudes toward the doctors shifted as public sentiment surrounding pandemics evolved.
Speaker A:Sometimes they were welcomed and even held for ransom, which many sources cited as evidence that they were valued.
Speaker A:They were like, yeah, they were really liked here.
Speaker A:They would hold them for ransom, which is a very strange way of saying, I value your place in my society.
Speaker A:But anyhow, when people were just over the sickness and over the plague, plague doctors we mocked and be vilified.
Speaker A:And the contracts would sometimes have to include protection against the angry mobs who blame the plague doctors were spreading the plague.
Speaker A:There are also the unscrupulous plague doctors who ran off with their diet patients money or sometimes sold literal snake oil remedies.
Speaker A:And it was a lonely life, as oddly, nobody want to hang out with the dude who just came from the plague house.
Speaker A:And an isolation requirement was often included in the plague doctor's contract.
Speaker B:Yeah, it seems like tough to make.
Speaker A:Friends a little hard.
Speaker A: iod of the plague was between: Speaker A:And typically the plague ran in 50 to 15 to 20 year cycles.
Speaker A:And so plague doctors just became part of a public health strategy because it was happening so often.
Speaker A:So just be like, oh, we're having plague.
Speaker A:It's time to bust out this contract.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And Italian city states really prided themselves on their response plans.
Speaker A:Like Venice had the world's first permanent plague hospital and quarantine station.
Speaker A: they had that as early as the: Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A: good time in Italy during the: Speaker A:The plague doctors, medico de la pesta and their outfits became a common sight.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:Then, the same year of the satirical version of that came out in an engraving called Dr. Schnabel von Rome, or Dr. Beaky from Rome.
Speaker A:I love that his name is Dr. Beaky.
Speaker A:And it was by Paula's first, which has since become the iconic picture of a plague doctor.
Speaker A:First included some snark in there about how the doctor only scares people and takes their money.
Speaker A:All right, so here comes some grosses.
Speaker A:So you'll be.
Speaker A:If you're really easily grossed out, you might want to skip ahead about a minute.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Medieval treatments for the plague were based on the prevailing theory that there were four bodily humors.
Speaker A:Blood, phlegm, yellow bile and black bile, that needed to remain in balance.
Speaker A:And that the plague was a pestilential fever that caused buboes, which sounds much cuter than they are, that are swollen lymph nodes that are filled with blood and pus.
Speaker A:Now, since buboes tended to form in the groin, armpits and neck, plague doctors concluded that the body was being dominated by black bile, known as melancholia, and that it was being extended, expelled from the nearest major organs, the liver, the heart and the brain.
Speaker A:So to balance the humor.
Speaker A:So doctors plans included.
Speaker A:And this kind of goes from least gross to most gross.
Speaker A:So the doctor's plans included changing what you eat, including eating applesauce, mustard or mint sauce.
Speaker A:Delightful.
Speaker A:Taking medications that cause beneficial vomiting and urination.
Speaker A:Not so fun.
Speaker A:And blood, blood blooding, but not, honestly the least fun.
Speaker A:Here comes some least fun, some doc.
Speaker A:Sometimes doctors would rub feces on the patient.
Speaker A:And if the patient didn't have enough of their own feces, there was always the option of dropping them in an open sewer.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:In 13.
Speaker A: Yeah, in: Speaker A:Italian doctor Tommaso del Garbo offers specific guidance on how to protect oneself when visiting the his recommendations included opening windows to ensure fresh air circulation and washing the face and hands with a mixture of rose water and vinegar.
Speaker A:To further shield themselves, he suggested keeping cloves in their cloves of garlic in their mouth and consuming bread soaked in high quality wine, while emphasizing the importance of not standing too close to the patient.
Speaker B:I mean, bread soaked in high quality wine sounds kind of like a. I don't know, man.
Speaker A:If you're gonna be around some bubos, I want to be eating some bread dipped in wine.
Speaker A:So the bubos would be lance to drain the pus, which was quite painful, but not as painful as those doctors who would pour mercury over them, then bake or boil the person in an oven, which was not often very successful.
Speaker A:Other cures included drinking the mercury.
Speaker A:Alternatively, arsenic also not successful.
Speaker A:I mean, I guess like if you're successful in that you killed the plague.
Speaker B:Facts.
Speaker A:The 16th century royal surgeon Thomas Vickery touted the benefits of plucking a live chicken's butt and putting that on the bubos.
Speaker A:So you pluck the butt.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So you put chicken butt.
Speaker A:Chicken butt.
Speaker A:What's up?
Speaker A:What's up?
Speaker A:And we're gonna laugh.
Speaker A:As you say.
Speaker A:A typical plague victim died within three days of showing symptoms.
Speaker A:Thanks to all of those wonderful scares.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know.
Speaker A:It was great timing.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A:This is how the science minds worked at that time.
Speaker A: They assessed in: Speaker A: This is the: Speaker A:The planets Mars, Saturn and Jupiter conjoined in the zodiac sign of Aquarius, which is a wet sign.
Speaker A:And that naturally caused hot, moist air to blow across Europe.
Speaker A:And that moist air left a plague wherever it passed.
Speaker A:And since the villain was hot air, and frankly, it's a villain to me too.
Speaker A:Praise essential air conditioner.
Speaker A:Doctors recommended wearing or carrying either sweet or bitter substances like violets, wormwood or vinegar, or if you were rich, a chunk of ambergris, which is a smelly secretion.
Speaker A:Secretion made in a sperm whale's intestinal lining.
Speaker A:Once considered a luxury item, bad air was called miasma.
Speaker A:Yes, you so bad air was called miasma and was thought to infect people through the lungs or skin.
Speaker A:The air needed to be cleansed.
Speaker A:So the doctors would suggest burning incense or other substances that smell bitter when burned.
Speaker A:Spiders and toads were said to be able to absorb the air, and urine baths along with bottled wind were recommended.
Speaker A:Now, bottled wind.
Speaker A:I really hope it's somebody Farting in a jar.
Speaker B:Is this the first fart in a jar?
Speaker A:The first part in a jar used to combat the plague.
Speaker A:So when gunpowder became available, doctors also suggested firing cannons in the air to combat miasma.
Speaker A: In the: Speaker A:His advice was to burn all the contaminated corpses.
Speaker A:So he obviously was a hunter.
Speaker A:He created also created a lozenge made from rose hips, which we now know provides a good dose of vitamins, vitamin C, which could have been helpful in fighting off infections.
Speaker A: on during the great plague of: Speaker A:And he least tested the efficacy of some of the current turning treatments.
Speaker A:Like swallowing bizarre stones which were made for animal entrails.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Like Harry Potter.
Speaker B:That's in Harry Potter.
Speaker A:Drinking potions made with unicorn horns, which was filings from a narwhal tusk.
Speaker A:Oh, and using ambulance like dried toads to drag out the plague.
Speaker A:None of which proved successful.
Speaker A:He was a fan of sweating.
Speaker A:Of sweating?
Speaker A:Not like he like sweat himself, but he was a fan of like other people sweating.
Speaker A:Like so like going to sweat lodges and using that to like get the toxins out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so he also really liked the ancient Greek remedy theriac, which is originally used for snake bites.
Speaker A:And the Venice treacle version of it contains 64 ingredients including Viper flesh and opium, cinnamon, agarican and gum arabic.
Speaker A:The ingredients were then pulverized and reduced to something with mixed with honey.
Speaker A:Also, to protect himself, he drank a lot of fortified white wine called sack and which is also a thing if we're around the plague.
Speaker A:I do recommend drinking a lot of fortified wine.
Speaker A:Not because it helps you against the plague, just because you want to be drunk.
Speaker A:And he did not die of the plague, though he did die instead in debtors prison.
Speaker A:There's probably not a better way.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:All right, so let's talk about our outfit.
Speaker A: standarditis outfits, by the: Speaker A:The first description of this outfit is attributed to the French physician Charles de Lome.
Speaker A:To Laurem, I don't know French.
Speaker A:So he was a private doctor to three French kings and other members of the French nobility.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:Most famously, the outfit came with a bird like mask with glass eyepieces and a long beak filled with Perfume or aromatic herbs.
Speaker A:The mask, or as I prefer to call it, the snout, because sometimes it was more of a hanging tube sock than a beak.
Speaker A:And it would be stuffed with those herbs and spices.
Speaker A:So think of it like an elephant.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, that's exactly.
Speaker A:Imagine like.
Speaker B:Imagine like a crappy sock filled with.
Speaker A:It really is like a crappy tube sock or an uncircumcised penis.
Speaker A:Either way.
Speaker A:So sometimes the herbs would be smoked before they got put into this hanging snout.
Speaker A:And as they thought, the smoke added an extra layer of protection against miasma.
Speaker A:Vinegar sponges were also a popular addition.
Speaker A:The mask had air holes, however, which were its downfall as a PPE device and likely had many.
Speaker A:How many plague doctors contracted the plague and died?
Speaker A:Some would also add amuletic charms, like papers with a prayer or words like abracadabra written out, and they would put that into their snout.
Speaker A:The plague doctor's glass eyes.
Speaker B:The magic snout.
Speaker A:The magic snout.
Speaker A:Okay, there's a new coming soon to you on Sesame Street.
Speaker A:So the plague doctor's glass eyes were usually goggles, and these were tethered to the hood by a leather band.
Speaker A:And this could be held to keep spurting pus out of one's eyes.
Speaker A:And I had to fight with my computer about whether or not spurting was a word.
Speaker A:And I'm like, I had to, like, I had to take polls of people and be like, yeah, like, you spurt blood.
Speaker A:So how.
Speaker A:Of course, because it was like, you want to say spurring pass.
Speaker A:I'm like, no, I don't want to say spurring pus.
Speaker A:I want to say spurting pus.
Speaker A:That's what you do.
Speaker A:You spurt pus.
Speaker A:All right, so you didn't want to get the spurting pus in your eyes, so you would have these goggles on.
Speaker A:And I can't imagine, like, I know Venetian glass is a thing, but I can't imagine it was very good glass.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So everything had to seem, like, kind of weird and far away.
Speaker A:So the patient, the doctor also carried a cane or a long wooden stick that he also served to poke his patients and just came in handy if they were being aggressive or just too touchy or just to keep people away.
Speaker A:There was one story about a doctor using his cane to poke a pus filled groin.
Speaker A:And I debated on leaving that in or not because of how gross of a picture that paints.
Speaker A:But then obviously, I left it in clearly.
Speaker A:Clearly.
Speaker A:So some patients were asked to be beaten or whipped by the plague doctor, as they saw the plague is a punishment From God, so he could also use his stick for that.
Speaker A:The outer robe was sometimes made from linen, which sickness was said to roll off of.
Speaker A:Or goat skin, whose smaller pores were supposed to keep the plague from getting inside.
Speaker A:The rope could be sealed with oil or wax for an extra layer of protection.
Speaker A:Herbert Matty, in his article Men in Tights, Charles Delorme and the First Plague Costume argues that Delorme was not talking about a long robe, but rather a pantalone that covered his whole body from head to toe with an opening in the front and one in the back for bio needs.
Speaker A:So which would resemble more of a coverall with integrated footwear?
Speaker A:Or as I imagine, footed pajamas, which.
Speaker A:Complete with the flap in the back with the butt.
Speaker A:The butt flap.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Maddie also noted that Delorme was credited with curing more than 10,000 soldiers of dysentery by having them crouch naked for a few hours over the fire of burning shoes, illustrating how some of the tales of his efforts may have been somewhat exaggerated.
Speaker A:Additionally, this Doctor who Made the Plague Doc outfit was famous for wearing seven pairs of stockings and six caps in the summer and nine during the winter.
Speaker B:That's a lot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the plague doctor outfit would have likely provided some protection against the plague, which we now know was mainly spread by fleas.
Speaker A:The garments that covered the face and the body, shielding against airborne droplets, spatter, blood and lymphatic fluid.
Speaker A:The roping leather or wax, did present fleas from clinging to the wearer's clothes and infested testing them.
Speaker A:So while they.
Speaker A:They didn't really know what they were doing, they actually were kind of useful, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So plague was gross.
Speaker B:Yeah, real gross.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It sounds like tea.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like bubos.
Speaker B:Like boba.
Speaker B:Like boba.
Speaker A:Enjoy your bubo's tea.
Speaker B:No, I will never be able to eat those again.
Speaker A:Well, good, because they're gross.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay, so Sam.
Speaker A:Phone rings and it's Sean's mother.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean is eating a lot of bacon, for the record.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So they go back to Sean's house, and Penny, Sean's mom, is saying that.
Speaker B:Explaining what happened and that she came back in the room and it.
Speaker B:The house got cold and she came back in and he was gone and the window was open.
Speaker B:So they're like, oh, Dean's certain that Sean is dead, but Meadow.
Speaker B:Dr. Meadows was cremated, so he must be tied to some object.
Speaker B:And they're gonna go to the Meadow's house.
Speaker B:And then suddenly it's night time when they arrive.
Speaker B:And I Don't understand this because she would have called them in the morning or it was mid morning at least when he was eating his crazy breakfast.
Speaker A:He was at the breakfast buffet.
Speaker B:Now it's night time and now it's nighttime.
Speaker A:But I'm wondering if like, the only thing that I thought about was just like, maybe they decided they had to wait until night time to get into the house in order to make it either more creepy or to let the ghost come.
Speaker A:Because, you know, the ghost come out at night.
Speaker B:I guess.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:They go inside.
Speaker A:They go inside and Dean's calling for Sean.
Speaker A:And Sam pulls out his EMF reader and it just starts going off.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And then all of a sudden, our creepy Dr. Meadows Dr. Ghost is right there already.
Speaker B:And he flings Sam and he throws Dean's shotgun.
Speaker B:And he gets him.
Speaker B:And he's got a drill real close to Dean's face.
Speaker B:And Dean really fighting real hard.
Speaker B:But Sean, Sean, Sam hits him with irony.
Speaker B:Poofs away.
Speaker B:So Sam, Dean are going to go look around some more.
Speaker B:And they go down the same hall the boys went down and they find the office and all the masks and the mask that Evan.
Speaker A:And there's no missing masks.
Speaker A:There's no missing masks.
Speaker A:All the masks are there.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so Dean's like, maybe he's tied to a mask and he touches a mask.
Speaker A:And then you hear the drill sound.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's so obviously duh.
Speaker A:Like, does this drill have a never ending battery like that?
Speaker A:Like, is it a ghost drill?
Speaker A:It's a ghost drill.
Speaker B:It's a ghost drill.
Speaker A:Oh, ghost power tools.
Speaker A:That's what we should have gotten for Father's Day.
Speaker A:So Sam is like, okay, so what we're gonna do is we're gonna burn all the mass and he's gonna solve the door.
Speaker A:Door.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So he pours salt by the door.
Speaker B:And our meadow, Dr. Meadow's ghost comes halfway through the door, but can't get past the salt.
Speaker B:And then he blows the salt away.
Speaker A:Well, he's able to like blow the doors open.
Speaker A:When he blows the doors open, that blows the salt open.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So the salt flies, but then like as the mask burns and so does the doctor.
Speaker B:And he burns up just in time.
Speaker B:So now they are going to go look for Sean.
Speaker B:But now they're getting bursts of cold.
Speaker B:So that means there's more ghosts, which is concerning.
Speaker B:So doors are slamming, lights are exploding all bad.
Speaker B:And the voices are asking for the dock.
Speaker B:So now the beds are flying around.
Speaker B:Either way, that Somehow they decide that the ghosts are not strong enough to pierce the veil.
Speaker A:Pierce the veil.
Speaker B:But are they strong enough to kill Sam and Dean?
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker A:They should have been playing in the background, but.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Okay, well, let's keep going, and I'll go back to my theory about these.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker A:Why are there so many ghosts at this house?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So they're saying there must be bodies in the house, but there's not enough time to find them.
Speaker A:I guess they had unfinished business because the doctor was keeping their bodies in the house, and that was what was keeping them tethered to this realm.
Speaker A:Okay, I guess.
Speaker A:I guess I'll.
Speaker A:I will go with.
Speaker A:With that.
Speaker A:All right, so we need to find the bodies.
Speaker A:Bodies, bodies.
Speaker A:And we don't know where those are buried.
Speaker A:But Dean's like, I know.
Speaker A:Let's ask them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he pulls out a pair of syringes that he's just carrying with him, apparently.
Speaker B:Now, because.
Speaker B:Why does he have these?
Speaker B:They don't have any prepared go bags.
Speaker B:We know this.
Speaker B:Yes, they brought in a bag, but all Dean had was a shotgun.
Speaker B:So why does he have these syringes?
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker A:But he certainly didn't even have a crowbar.
Speaker A:He had to wait for Sam to come at him with the iron bar to, like, knock that away.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:So anyway, so Gene is like, here is my magic I'm gonna die kit.
Speaker A:And this comes from the doctor.
Speaker A:Dr. Robert from that other episode of the guy who liked to kill his patients and bring them back.
Speaker A:Go to the dead.
Speaker A:Whatever we have.
Speaker A:I forgot what episode that was.
Speaker A:But, yeah, it comes from a previous episode.
Speaker A:And so he decides that he is just gonna cowboy up, and he just stabs himself in the heart.
Speaker B:Because Sam says no, obviously.
Speaker A:Of course he does.
Speaker B:So he stabs himself in the heart with the.
Speaker B:With the kill me pet.
Speaker B:Like, kill me needle.
Speaker B:And he's like, here, Sam, wake me up with this.
Speaker B:You got three minutes.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:And so he dies.
Speaker B:The Dean dies.
Speaker A:He dies, and he crosses over, and he's trying to talk to the ghost who is just ghosting him.
Speaker A:They're just ignoring him, and they're just like, we're too cool for you.
Speaker A:You don't even go here.
Speaker A:And then he's greeted by a reaper who's like, what the hell?
Speaker B:Jessica is not.
Speaker B:Like, she's.
Speaker B:He is not interested in talking to her.
Speaker B:And she is.
Speaker A:She's just like, oh, hi.
Speaker A:You're gonna pass over.
Speaker A:Like, she's doing her proper greeting.
Speaker A:Thing.
Speaker A:She's really funny.
Speaker A:And so then Sam is just getting antsy next to Dean's body, but Jessica.
Speaker B:Poofs away somewhere, and she's like all these, like, rows of.
Speaker B:Of shelves and yells that Dean Winchester is in the veil.
Speaker B:And I'm like, this can't be good.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Cannot be good.
Speaker A:Cannot be good.
Speaker A:And so Dean is following the ghost who doesn't say anything.
Speaker A:And then we see Sean.
Speaker B:Oh, Sean is dead.
Speaker A:Make it.
Speaker A:He's dead.
Speaker B:So he explains that the man with the drill showed up in his bedroom, ran up, ran into him, and we.
Speaker B:And like, he.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:He put on the mask and he walked to the house, and they took off the mask and drilled into his own head.
Speaker B:So he possessed the kid and then made him walk to the meadow's house, where then he killed him.
Speaker B:Or he made him kill himself.
Speaker A:Made him kill himself.
Speaker A:It's up.
Speaker A:It's really up.
Speaker A:It's a really up ghost.
Speaker A:I can't believe the ghost had that kind of power.
Speaker A:And Evan is there, too.
Speaker A:And they can't leave.
Speaker A:And he doesn't understand why they can't leave.
Speaker B:Yeah, but Dean's gonna help them go to a better place.
Speaker B:But he needs to know where their bodies are.
Speaker A:And here's the thing.
Speaker A:He says he's gonna help them go to a better place, but he wants to know where their bodies are.
Speaker A:Dean wants to burn these bodies.
Speaker B:And then they don't go anywhere.
Speaker B:Then they're not gonna go anywhere.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's exactly what's gonna happen.
Speaker A:So you Dean Winchester.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:So it's gonna.
Speaker A:I know that's not what happens, but.
Speaker A:So do you know if that's his original plan?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Sam is injecting Dean with what I'm assuming is adrenaline and stuff to bring him back.
Speaker A:And Dean's not waking up.
Speaker A:So why isn't it working?
Speaker B:It's not working.
Speaker B:And Sam is freaking the out.
Speaker B:Rightfully so.
Speaker B:But then Billy is there, and she freezes the scene and is talking to Dean.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, castiel killed you.
Speaker B:And she's real snarky, and she's like.
Speaker A:And she's like, look at my outfit.
Speaker A:I have had an upgrade.
Speaker A:She is in a full length leather trench coat, and she has a big ass scythe right now.
Speaker A:So she is.
Speaker A:She has leveled up.
Speaker A:And when he says that he saw Cass kill her, she goes, how is that working out for him?
Speaker A:Oh, burn.
Speaker B:Oof.
Speaker B:And then she likes the Winchesters talking about the finality of dying, which is funny too.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So she basically explains that now she's.
Speaker A:Death because of how the process.
Speaker A:The rule is, if death gets killed, the next reaper to die takes his place.
Speaker A:And since she was the next reaper and savs Cast, Castiel stabbed her in the back.
Speaker A:She got a promotion and really good eyeshadow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so she's gonna poof them to what she calls her reading room.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, am I really dead?
Speaker B:And she's like, that depends on you.
Speaker B:So he's like, look, I'm glad you got your promotion, but, you know, my brother is this house full of ghosts I gotta.
Speaker B:Got to get, you know, to handle.
Speaker A:And she's like, I'm just gonna prop my scythe up against this wall.
Speaker A:Like, I'm not really gonna have a place in this room to put it.
Speaker A:And I realized, like, it needs, like, an umbrella stand or something.
Speaker A:Like, give her someplace to put her scythe.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then she's like, watch this.
Speaker A:And she's like.
Speaker A:It takes off her.
Speaker A:Her coat, and she is like, boom.
Speaker A:I've got this sleeveless black top on underneath this so you can see my guns.
Speaker A:And she's like, that's right.
Speaker A:I'm a strong woman.
Speaker A:And then she's like, I'm death now.
Speaker A:And Dean's just like, we gotta get back to the ghost, please.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And then she's like, I need info.
Speaker C:How.
Speaker B:How am I hearing that?
Speaker B:You're slipping between worlds?
Speaker B:And he's like, well, let's.
Speaker B:Let's.
Speaker B:Let's make a deal.
Speaker B:If you free all the ghosts in the Meadows house and let them move on, then I will give you info.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker A:Which is better than burning the corpses, right?
Speaker A:This is like, okay, we're actually gonna let these ghosts go through the veil.
Speaker A:Which I feel like, cool.
Speaker A:Like, that's.
Speaker A:That's nice.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker B:And we see Jessica do that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so Jessica is there.
Speaker A:She's got a bunch of kid ghosts.
Speaker A:Kid ghosts.
Speaker A:And Sean and Evan are there.
Speaker A:Then they all just flap away somewhere.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so Billy is like, okay, Dean, that's done.
Speaker B:And then he tells her about the rip that Jack made when he was born.
Speaker B:And that that other world is not Candyland.
Speaker B:And basically, he's confused by, like, why she cares or what she.
Speaker B:Why she doesn't know about this.
Speaker B:But he's like, she's explaining that just how everything's connected and she needs to know what the going on.
Speaker A:And in this.
Speaker A:I really like her line.
Speaker A:In this whole multiversal quantum construct we live in, it's like a house of cards.
Speaker A:And the last thing I need is some big dumb Winchester knocking it all down.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which it seems like something.
Speaker A:And Dean's just like, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker A:That seems like something I would do.
Speaker B:But she also notes she.
Speaker B:That he did not ask to go back.
Speaker A:Yeah, she didn't.
Speaker A:He didn't bargain for himself when.
Speaker A:So she's like, he's changed.
Speaker A:Maybe he's.
Speaker A:Maybe he isn't this guy who wants to save the world anymore.
Speaker A:And then she monologues about it was a pretty good one.
Speaker A:One, you know, just.
Speaker A:You know that how it's not the same den Dean Winchester that she knew before.
Speaker A:The guy who just like keeps dying over and over again and just doesn't seem to like, care.
Speaker A:But he's dying and.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:And he's telling people but it's not a big deal.
Speaker A:And that he's working through it, but he won't.
Speaker A:He can't.
Speaker A:And that scares the hell out of him.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's really sad because Dean says he doesn't think he matters and that's why he's not begging.
Speaker A:Not this time.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And she says, she summarizes that he's.
Speaker B:He wants to die basically.
Speaker B:And you know, and she points out these.
Speaker B:These shelves are notebooks and each is a version of how he dies.
Speaker B:And she lists a bunch of different ways.
Speaker B:She's like, but which one is right?
Speaker B:And it's based on including.
Speaker A:Yeah, including heart attack.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:I'm not saying any of these are foreshadowing, but.
Speaker A:So these are all different ways that Dean Winchester has died.
Speaker A:So heart attack, burned by a red haired witch, stabbed by a ghoul in a graveyard, etc.
Speaker A:And whether or not those are all his deaths depend on the choices he makes.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But she says, but unfortunately none say that you die today.
Speaker B:So she's.
Speaker B:Now that she's got her new job, she sees the bigger picture and she knows that he indeed or him and Sam are important.
Speaker B:Important.
Speaker B:That's what it comes down to.
Speaker B:So she's like, she won't tell him why.
Speaker B:She won't tell him what, she ain't thrilled about it, but he needs to keep on living.
Speaker B:And boom, he comes back to life.
Speaker A:Right when he's asking about Mary, he's like, I've got to know about my mom.
Speaker A:And then like right when he's there, like, boom, he wakes up.
Speaker A:So he doesn't get to know about what's going on with Mary.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So we cut to the morning at the House at the Meadows house and the Meadows place.
Speaker B:And we are seeing coroners rolling bodies out.
Speaker B:Photograph photographs of phones.
Speaker B:And Sam and Dean are off to the side talking.
Speaker B:And basically Sam's note calls out that the shot didn't work at first.
Speaker B:But then all of a sudden Dean's back and he's like, oh, I got lucky, man.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, also all the ghosts are gone.
Speaker B:And he's like, we'll talk about it later.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, that's.
Speaker B:That's a load of.
Speaker B:Whenever you say that, we never talk about it.
Speaker B:And guess what?
Speaker B:Dean actually cracks and talks.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:Holy.
Speaker B:Do we have progress.
Speaker B:Did that one like 10 minutes of therapy do something?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But either way, Dean's gonna have a conversation with his brother.
Speaker B:And he explains that death's not dead because now it's Billy.
Speaker B:And Billy is not dead either.
Speaker B:Surprise.
Speaker B:But that they basically he.
Speaker B:You know, he took.
Speaker B:She took care of the ghost in exchange for intel.
Speaker B:And that they have.
Speaker B:They are important and have work to do.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And he has no clue what.
Speaker B:What that is.
Speaker B:No idea.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Sam asks Dean if he's okay.
Speaker A:And Dean's just like, no, no.
Speaker A:Pretty far from okay.
Speaker A:Like, I don't want to be like, you know, I just died today and came back.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:Then we get this kind of sad thing where Dean always believed that what they did was important and worth the cost.
Speaker A:And they kept on fighting because he thought they were making the world a better place.
Speaker A:And now with mom and Cass, he doesn't know.
Speaker A:And he just needs to a win.
Speaker A:All he needs is a damn wind.
Speaker A:And then they get into baby and they're going to drive away from where they were parked in the middle of the crime scene.
Speaker A:That car was like in the middle of the lawn.
Speaker A:Like where they were pulling the bodies out right next to like.
Speaker A:I was sure.
Speaker A:Like the sheriffs are just like, this is fine.
Speaker B:Like these.
Speaker B:These.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Feds.
Speaker B:That's probably what they were thinking.
Speaker B:But we got.
Speaker B:It's never too late by saying Steppenwolf playing as they drive away.
Speaker B:And we see Penny crying, looking at her dead son.
Speaker B:It's a very upsetting scene.
Speaker B:And anyways, we see kind of cut to a few other things with Dean driving and Billy reading about Dean's death.
Speaker A:And I mean, I would too.
Speaker A:I mean, they all have to be entertaining.
Speaker A:I would just sit up there and read through all those books.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And then Dean gets a cell phone call and he.
Speaker B:And he looks.
Speaker B:It's very like Intense at Sam.
Speaker B:And then he drive to an alley with the first street mission is what you see the sign for, but that's not what you're looking for.
Speaker B:We're looking at who is at the payphone.
Speaker A:And it's Cass.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:And then they longingly look into each other's eyes.
Speaker B:And then that's it ends.
Speaker B:Dusty.
Speaker A:Oh, May.
Speaker A:Right again.
Speaker A:See?
Speaker A:Damn it.
Speaker A:And that's how it ends.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You love Dusty, though.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So we've got a few cast members on this one.
Speaker B:I'll go down.
Speaker B:So casting couch.
Speaker C:It's the casting couch.
Speaker C:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker C:Love.
Speaker B:La la la la la la la.
Speaker C:La la la la la.
Speaker B:We've got Sean Raider was played by Seth Isaac Johnson.
Speaker B:You've seen him in episodes of Once upon a time, iZombie and Firefly Lane.
Speaker B:Penny Raider is the mom.
Speaker B:She's played by Allison Richmond Peck.
Speaker B:She's been in a few episodes of Smallville.
Speaker B:She was in, like, the whole, like, a lot of Battlestar Galactica as Jean.
Speaker B:She had a role in the Day the Earth Stood Still.
Speaker B:She's Olivia in the series.
Speaker B:The 12 Monkeys series.
Speaker B:The recurring character.
Speaker B:And Bev in the series Ginny in Georgia as a recurring character.
Speaker B:Jessica is played by Kayla Stanton.
Speaker B: scape from the living dead in: Speaker B:Our doctor Avery Meadows was played by Sasha M. Romalo.
Speaker B:He's been episodes of Legends of Tomorrow and has done a lot of, like, a ton of short, like, short film work.
Speaker B:Evan was played by Josh Hudnick, and he's been in episodes of iZombie and Nancy Drew.
Speaker B:Mike, played by Micah Solis, has been in episodes of the Good Doctor, the Magicians, and Riverdale.
Speaker B:And our ghost dude, the bald one that didn't answer Dean, was played by Dan Veda.
Speaker B:He's been episodes of Arrow inside, like,.
Speaker A:Fun cast.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I. I love the Billy part of this episode, kind of.
Speaker B:Even though it's frustrating that Dean's making weird choices.
Speaker B:But I don't like, you know, I don't like, jump scare and, like, the ghosts when they make that real shuttery movement.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, but there weren't a lot of ghosts.
Speaker A:And it wasn't.
Speaker A:It was almost.
Speaker A:We had a.
Speaker A:We had both a monster of the week and a.
Speaker A:The overarch.
Speaker A:The big overarching storyline.
Speaker B:True.
Speaker A:With, you know, like, the big canon reveal of Billy is a new death, which is, you know, a really.
Speaker A:And yay, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:Elevated Billy to this.
Speaker A:Like, she was such a great reaper and such a good character, and it was so sad to see her die that it's such a great way to bring her back.
Speaker B:And we get cast back officially now.
Speaker B:Now we know he's back.
Speaker B:It was interesting.
Speaker B:There was zero Jack.
Speaker B:Like, even at the intro.
Speaker B:We didn't see him at all.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Jack was.
Speaker A:Jack was watching ferrets.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I mean, I like that we're carrying the.
Speaker B:I do like that Dean is being a.
Speaker B:Less of a dick still.
Speaker B:That's great that we're maintaining that for now, too.
Speaker A:But he's still in super deep depression.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:To the point of like, you know, if I was, you know, if I was psychologically diagnosing Dean, I'd be like, dean, maybe you want to consider some antidepressants sense.
Speaker A:Like, maybe at this point when we started thinking about your mental health and starting to think about some other paths down there, not diagnosing you, but I'm just saying this is really deep and dark and you should maybe see more than that one therapist that you just accidentally.
Speaker A:The shapeshifter one that you accidentally saw on the last episode.
Speaker A:Maybe like you.
Speaker A:Like you said, he feels like he got some growth out of that.
Speaker A:Like, maybe this is something you should consider doing more than once.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I feel like in their line of work, they have a lot to talk about.
Speaker B:Probably.
Speaker A:There's a lot of trauma to process considering that, you know, I had to, like, I had to sit to a therapist's office and pro, you know, process that.
Speaker A:I'm still traumatized by a snake in a drain.
Speaker A:You know, I think about, like, they've seen monsters, not just snakes and drains.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:A little bit different.
Speaker A:A little bit different.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I. I do like the way they cut.
Speaker A:The way they cut Jack out of the episode, I think is interesting.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, it's almost just.
Speaker A:To me, that seems almost production more than storyline.
Speaker B:Just, like, fully agree he was shooting something else that week.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:That feels like.
Speaker A:Like we're not, you know, or like, well, we don't want to pay his rate.
Speaker A:You know, I know he didn't have, you know, but anyways, that's just what it makes it feel like when you.
Speaker A:You come up with those excuses for why Jack's not there.
Speaker B:Fully agree.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, I mean, it's.
Speaker A:We're moving along.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:I'm glad cast, like, we've got the introduction of Cass coming back.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's a big deal.
Speaker B:That's A big deal.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And hopefully we.
Speaker A:We'll.
Speaker A:Maybe Dean, like, I'm never the optimist.
Speaker A:Maybe Dean can see the sunshine.
Speaker B:Like, I was like, who are you saying that?
Speaker A:No, I mean, he did, like, he did get his.
Speaker A:In his.
Speaker A:I, like, I appreciate.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Leo.
Speaker A:Sam's enabling of his alcoholism is, you know, like, it's a little much in this episode.
Speaker A:You're just like, no one needs to be like, I know you're trying to make your brother feel good, but maybe the way you don't make your brother feel feel good is by encouraging him to drink beer with breakfast.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:And I'm glad that the strip club was healing for.
Speaker A:For Dean Soul.
Speaker A:And hopefully he put some girl through college.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:At least he paid, you know, for a book.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:All right, I think on that note, we'll end it.
Speaker A:That sound good to you?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker A:Cheers.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Cheers.
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