8:21 The Great Escapist
AI Show Notes
Summary
In this episode of the Devil's Trap podcast, the hosts discuss various topics including weather, forest bathing, the legend of coffee, and the events of the Supernatural episode 'The Great Escapist.' They also explore the themes of escapism and the impact of supernatural elements on the characters. In this episode, the conversation covers a range of topics, including the plot of the show, character analysis, and personal anecdotes. The hosts discuss the events of the episode, the characters' actions, and the implications of certain plot points. They also share their thoughts on the casting choices and the development of the storyline. The conversation is filled with humor, references to other shows, and playful banter between the hosts.
Keywords
Devil's Trap podcast, weather, forest bathing, coffee legend, Supernatural, escapism, supernatural elements, Supernatural, episode review, character analysis, plot discussion, casting choices, humor, banter, personal anecdotes
Chapters
Introduction and Weather Banter
Forest Bathing and Escapism
The Legend of Coffee and Supernatural Analysis
Angels, Demons, and Supernatural Events
Crowley's Office and Kevin's Revelation
Metatron's Role and Character Analysis
Heaven, Good Omens, and Personal Anecdotes
Research Links
This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis:
Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy
Transcript
Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast. I'm Diana. And we're going to talk about season eight, episode 21, the great escapist.
Bitch (:I'm Liz.
Bitch (:escape this. I wish I could escape from this heat. There's a weather joke for you.
Jerk (:Yeah, lots of, lots of leathers going on.
Bitch (:wacky wacky weather is just happening now is it the apocalypse i don't know
Jerk (:all over the place. But we got to. I don't know. I was a bunch of memes got around like the weather was all cute afternoon and I didn't try to kill us this morning, but yeah. But we got to see each other in person this week. Yay. Just a brief visit, but babe, babe got to go play bass with the hot rod hillbillies opening for the Nick Romantics in beautiful San Antonio.
Bitch (:That was exciting, yay!
Jerk (:So we got to go do that. It was fun.
Bitch (:Yep, then nobody got stabbed. Let's say success.
Jerk (:No stabbings. Always a bonus. And then, and then, yeah, I got to celebrate my niece's birthday with a very mediocre, botchy chef. I say that. The restaurant and the food were fine. The chef was, it was not, he was not the, he was not the A team, but it was funny.
Bitch (:Aww.
Bitch (:Was he not into it? Was he not feeling it?
Jerk (:Well, he didn't do anything with the eggs and then he definitely almost set my mom's face on fire. So, I mean, just saying.
Bitch (:Did, well, did he care that he almost set her face on fire? Okay. At least he was concerned. At least it wasn't just like, pshh, and then ha, whatever.
Jerk (:he looked terrified. He looked terrified. He was.
Like, no, no, he was very concerned. He knew he was not doing well. And then and got some pull time in and then and then the weather got weird. That's what I got my life. That's my weekend.
Bitch (:It's a fun, fun life, fun weekend.
Jerk (:We got crazy ass hail in Dallas, I'll say that. And then we've had power outages and some wild storms, trees down, power, like major power issues all over the city. So it's pretty chaotic. But I got power right now, for now. So here we go. How about you? I know we hung out.
Bitch (:We hung out and the weather for me has not been wacky. It's just been really, really humid. And I did go forest bathing at the botanical garden and there was far too much sharing during forest bathing. Like I felt like, you know, I went to go do something that was meditative and I didn't really want to talk about it like with strangers.
Jerk (:Mmm.
And they wanted to talk about it.
Bitch (:So the way that it was set up and you know part of me goes god damn it like why can't I just milk all these wellness people like they do so
the leader there was a leader and she had an assistant and she's a really cool chick right and she had like little blocks for people to sit on because apparently you were either supposed to bring a yoga mat or a blanket and not sit on the ground i just figured we'd be sitting on the ground because it was called forest bathing but apparently you don't sit on the ground
Jerk (:Right.
Bitch (:But and so the first thing that she did was she led everybody through something which is kind of a basic meditation like if have you ever seen like done it's a grounding technique you often seen for anxiety which is it's five four three two one and you start off with kind of like name it like five things you see four things you hear but it was like something like that where you were going through basically each of your senses like with the environment around.
June, we're sitting in the amphitheater of the botanical gardens. It is kind of mostly private, but there are still some people you can like who are just touring the gardens was not shut down for the Fortress Panthers, right? We still had to pay extra to go say and let you know to go sit with this lady. But so she goes through that and then she was like, so like going to pass the energy ball around if anybody wants to, you know, talk in the the
Jerk (:Mm -hmm.
Bitch (:guy in front of me grabs the energy ball, which if you don't know is not a thing that's real. And he talks.
Jerk (:It's like a mime, it's a mime ball.
Bitch (:Yep, and then he like just starts, I don't know, he was like, I felt like he was hippie name dropping like places he had been or whatever. So I'm trying not to judge these people, but it's so hard not to. And so that's why I don't want to say anything because I know that I'm judging everybody else even though I'm not supposed to. And so I also know that they are doing the same to me. And...
each of the leg there was you know kind of like different like cliques of people who were there and after so we had like the first one and then she like let us go to go listen to things and she's like you can put your you know your ear up to a tree and listen to it and like you could do that you could i mean that's how you get bugs in your ears but i mean you could you could do that i don't
Jerk (:Sounds itchy.
Bitch (:It's I don't feel it's gonna end well. I mean, I get pretty close to trees. I'm not gonna lie like I know they're cool But so I was off and I was like looking at these weird little cactus area and all I could hear was somebody's like drill team and I don't know like what basic they were it was like a military drill team that was doing like Like that shit was going calling response was happening and I'm like that is
Nothing I do not hear the nature and like I'm just hearing like that and so then you know I went back and kind of sat and like everyone had that she passed the energy ball around again for everyone to share their experiences and then we did another one where she let us we were supposed to go around and like look really deep and I like turn right like I'm in this area turn like that's a pretty grasshopper and then I see this bird flopping and just eats the grasshopper and like flies away.
Jerk (:calming.
Bitch (:And I was like, that's what I saw. But I didn't like, like, so then we go back and it'll let you pass this energy ball. Like, I'm not going to share that. Like, but that's what I felt.
Jerk (:Bye!
Bitch (:And then we like went and we went to like a different part of the botanical garden where they have the culinary garden and took some leaves from.
a basil tree she let like everybody like because it was I guess it's I don't know if it's like a Shinto ritual or what which is kind of like this based on some different like Japanese forest meditations where after you commune with the earth and like you know you're you're taking and consuming it or some crap like that so she was like like she was passing scissors around and me I'm just like this is very inefficient like can you just take the leaves off the thing and make us the tea like we don't all like
I guess I'm not that spiritual when it comes to this stuff. I'm like, did you just take the leaves off the, I guess that's not the point. But so she made tea by basically putting these basil leaves in and pouring hot water over them. And then it was kind of like, it was like this lime basil. So it was actually kind of pleasant, like water. I never really thought of doing that before. And.
That could be nice, you know, so I learned something new and she that the guide is leaving, leaving to go up to Alaska and spend her summers up there leading for his meditations. So hopefully she doesn't get eaten by a bear.
Jerk (:Yeah, that would be unfortunate.
Bitch (:It would be, but also just like people just pay her to like, I will take people into the woods. It's like when we were talking to like,
Jerk (:and make them hold an energy ball and then pour some hot water and some basil.
Bitch (:Yeah, I mean, we can add some cryptid hunting to it if you want. I can find some things for you to hunt in the woods. So yeah, DM me if you want me to. I will be your forest guide. I will teach you how to forest meditate. I just took a class. I'm a master. I think I get some kind of certificate in the mail, I'm sure. And I can lead this now. And so for like, I don't know, like $500, I will take you into the forest. I'm not saying I'll take you back out.
Jerk (:Why not?
yeah.
Jerk (:Obviously.
Jerk (:you're trained.
Jerk (:That's details, details.
Bitch (:I will take you into the forest and leave you some breadcrumbs. But anyways, so that sounds like escapism. Or escapist or like the great escapist. I don't think there's any any new news in SBN land right now. So. They had nothing that I saw.
Jerk (:ho, ho, ho.
Jerk (:No, we had a bunch last week, so nothing new this week that I know of.
Bitch (:All right, so this was The Great Escapist and it was season eight, episode 21. It first aired May 1st, 2013. This was directed by Robert Duncan McNeil and we have not seen him direct since season one, episode six, Scan. And he most recently is known for doing the voice for Lieutenant Tom Paris in Star Trek Lower Decks and is also an executive producer and director of 10 episodes of Resident Alien,
episode of Star Trek Voyager: Jerk (:yeah.
Bitch (:interesting, weird trivia that you may probably never ever use, but we'll know. And it was written by Ben Edlund. So here we go. So we start off with a recap that's mostly about Kevin.
Jerk (:Yeah, Kevin, we've got our angel tablet and Kathiel. Of course, we're like a bunch about Kevin, a bunch about the trials and Sam's struggle, but we also get a hint of Naomi in here. So.
Bitch (:nay, homie.
Jerk (:So our episode opens with Kevin on the boat.
Bitch (:It looks like he's a Mr. Fizzle.
Jerk (:What the fuck? Kevin got abducted last we saw by Crowley. So this is weird. And he is studying and still trying to translate. And there is a no.
Bitch (:And I appreciate his post at Notes of Crazy. That is also one of my favorite research methods.
Jerk (:It is good. I do love a good post -it note. I use them a lot. And there's a knock at the door and it's Sam and Dean. And it is just, but they, but Dean didn't do the secret knock, which is weird. And Kevin's like got a super soaker full of holy water and he's shooting them with it and.
Bitch (:And that's a question I have knowing like, and I'm just going to break our wall now because we know they're demons. What, what? Like, did they like have fake Holy water on, on in the
Jerk (:They always use them. Yeah.
Jerk (:It must have been fake because it was controlled by the demons. So they just gave him water and said it was holy water. But why aren't we using, why aren't we using super soakers more often is my bigger question. We've seen them come up every once in a while and I'm like, why is this just not a regular occurrence, but whatever.
Bitch (:Yeah.
Bitch (:It seems like they seem like they would be handy, but I don't know.
Jerk (:So anyway, so now we are knowing like, cause we're all sus watching this. So we know that this ain't real because we know Kevin got abducted. So this is a demon Sam, a demon Dean, and they are telling Kevin about how, yeah, they laid a trap and they got the other half of the tablet. This is you like the end of the tunnel. Now you can figure out the third trial. And Sam calls Kevin special K and to keep his nose to the Godstone. Hmm.
And they're going to go make some distraction away from the safe boat so that he can keep studying. And so. He's like, yeah, what else? Mm hmm. So as they exit, they walk through like a weird portal wall, but basically now we are they change into the demons that they are. It's a simulation being overseen by Crowley as he's acting like as a director for shooting a TV show. It's actually a pretty entertaining setup.
Bitch (:And Kevin's just pretty much ignoring them though, he's just like heads down.
Bitch (:It is, like the whole like way that it's set up to be exactly like a TV show. Like, and then I always do love a meta within a meta because you know, behind this, there was like people who are actually set up like that. So it's just, and then if you put some mirrors in front of them, you can make this go on forever. And.
Jerk (:shooting a TV show, yeah.
Jerk (:And so now Crowley knows that there are three trials and that, but he totally calls out our demon Sam for his slang, use of slang. That's going to tip off Kevin. So.
Bitch (:because Sam is more basic than Dean.
Jerk (:And yeah, but it makes a comment that he's gonna have to wipe Kevin's short term memory again. So apparently that explains why Kevin doesn't automatically suspect this because he doesn't remember getting abducted because his short term memory's been wiped.
Bitch (:And that just cannot, much like the amount of times that Sam gets hit on the head, this just cannot be good for your brain. It just, it's gotta be zapping pieces away. Poor Kevin, he's just not gonna do well. But then we also get Cali saying that he was born to direct and it's really hot.
Jerk (:So over in the bunker, Dean has made John's cure all chicken soup stew for Sam, who looks like shit. And he is wrapped in a blanket. He obviously has like a severe fever. It is just not good.
Bitch (:That sounds disgusting.
Bitch (:No, he has tuberculosis. He's got a blood, the genes like the bloody handkerchief, the shaking lace, the fever. It's just not, it's fucking tuberculosis. Get him some antibiotics. He has the consumption.
Jerk (:Was it consumption? And that was the consumption. And Dean's comment that does not make the soup sound any better is that it has enough cayenne to burn your lips off.
Bitch (:That's a dude thing, right? Like, I think that's a, I mean, I like spicy food, but I'm not just gonna be like, here's some cayenne pepper in this shit.
Jerk (:Well, I mean, like I get like I was trying to think about it because I'm like, well, if I don't feel well, sometimes you want something you don't have good like taste. But not just but not just like fuzz great when you're sick, but you just don't dump a fuck ton of cayenne in it.
Bitch (:No, I do spicy soups when I'm sick, you know, like, but I just don't...
You know, yeah, it's just that's they don't get spicy just by being here's cayenne
Jerk (:Yeah, that's not no, can we sparingly? That's yeah. Anyways, so. But Dean's been a little nurse. He's got a little thermometer. He wants to take Sam's temperature and all that. But Sam gets mad. He's like, yeah, I know I'm fucking sick, but we need to start the third trial. That's it. Boom. And Dean's comment. He's like, I need to start this. And Dean's like, I want to let you start a moped. And I thought that was funny. I like.
Bitch (:Yeah, but I do think Sam also has this really good point that I think being sick is kind of part of this. And which is like, duh, like, what do you think? Like, it's a trial, like, you can't just it's not just as easy as stabbing a poor dog.
Jerk (:Mm -hmm.
Jerk (:No, but they get an alert in the middle of this argument because they have an email from Kevin and it is an encrypted video that was set up to auto send if he didn't do something every week from a remote server.
Bitch (:You got them.
Bitch (:He had to reset, he had to basically, I think he said something about resetting a server or something. He said something that wasn't real. But it basically was a, if you don't hear from me within seven days, I am dead.
Jerk (:If you get this email, I'm dead. So he's saying he's dead and that he is mad. He's like, have you seen this? I mean, I'm dead and screw you. Screw God. It means Crowley got to me and I'm not gonna, you know, I, I'm.
I don't know what's going on. You know, it's just basically this is all your fault, but I'm uploading all of my fucking notes because I'm not going to break with Crowley this time. And I have figured things out. And I'm just sorry I couldn't. They start crying.
Bitch (:Yeah, it's very heartbreaking. And also now it dawns on the Winchesters that maybe heaven didn't run. What the fuck you guys, man? Like this should have been something that you thought about for a while beyond just looking like why you why weren't you looking up these alleys to looking up your demon alleys? But anyhow, so now they decide that, okay, we've got to go down this avenue. So Sam starts printing out the notes.
Jerk (:What? It was infuriating.
Jerk (:Yeah. And so they are going to do all of this research. But while he's printing all these notes out, Dean's on the phone talking about where the fuck cabin is. And we figure out that Garth is missing also right now. So that's kind of a weird thing. He's like, anyway, so but Sam points out a really good thing.
Bitch (:Where's Garth?
Bitch (:Apparently he's out making out with Benny is what he's doing
Jerk (:What? Bouncing about well, but Sam makes a really good point here and they never really come back to this. But he points out that, well, if Kevin's actually dead, shouldn't one of the other prophets have been activated?
Bitch (:This is like Buffy once once once layer is down and you want to is chosen and they have the lineup of the prophet. So they should know when a new one is coming. So Kevin's not dead.
Jerk (:Who's next?
Right. But they don't really ever say that or really address it. They just kind of like me. He's going to say that and then move on. But Dean is very upset. He's like, look, he's very he feels very guilty. A little bit. Little should and says they should have moved Kevin to the bunker. But anyways, and I don't know. I was confused about that when they put him on the boat. But anyway, so well, did they put him on the well, they put him on the boat before they had the bunker.
Bitch (:They do that.
Jerk (:And then.
Bitch (:Yeah, he went on the boat before they found the boat, I think. No.
Jerk (:But why wouldn't you move him then? I don't know. Anyways, so we cut to a Biggersons in Santa Fe, New Mexico, where Castiel is drinking a cup of coffee because he's developed a taste for it.
Bitch (:And he remembers that man learned to chew coffee beans by watching goats. He says, yes, that legend is true. And now we're going to learn about that legend. It's lore folklore caffeinated. So.
Jerk (:caffeinated.
Bitch (:This story is I'm reading you the version I found on all that's interesting comm it was written by John no last name edited by Savannah Cox on in 2015 but it's this basic story and if you look it up It's an Ethiopian folk tale and you mainly find it on Google looking on on coffee sites, right? Because it's one is this is the origin of coffee. It's what the tales behind it
Jerk (:Okay.
Bitch (:And it's Caldy, I think that's how you say it, but it's what we're going to say. Caldy and the Dancing Goats. And the story goes that over a millennium ago, a young boy named Caldy lived with his family in Ethiopia. Caldy's job was to tend the goats in the fields. His family was nomadic, moving every few months to a new site in a cycle that had been repeated for generations. One day, Caldy grew bored of watching the goats and started playing songs on his wooden pipe.
Time passed. When Caldy looked up to check on the goats, they were gone. Caldy went searching for them, playing his pipe as he walked through the fields and groves and trees. Finally, he found his herd, and that was when he saw the strangest scene of his life. The goats were dancing. Caldy thought they were possessed.
He watched them for a while and discovered they were eating bright red beans from bushes with shiny leaves. He ate some of the beans himself and immediately began dancing with the heart. Later, Caldy carried samples of this mysterious plant to a local Sufi monastery. After some skepticism, the monks partook of the strange beans. That night, their midnight prayers came easily. The monks stayed up for hours, praying in the state of spiritual ecstasy that they had always sought.
They embrace the consumption of coffee, for that is what Keldy had discovered, as a vehicle towards mystical visions. I love this story for many reasons. First of all, their dancing goes, right?
Jerk (:That's to say, obviously, dancing goats are the number one thing here.
Bitch (:That is the number one thing. And also, I just want my life once. Why do I never come across a field of dancing goats? And I like that this man's first idea after seeing like these goats being insane is I want to be this insane. And I'm going to eat whatever the shit is that they are eating.
Jerk (:Yeah, first thought. Well, this they ate this, but they ate this bean thing and berry thing and it made him fucking dance. Ghosts aren't supposed to dance. I better eat one of these two.
Bitch (:Versa and then like the monks and then.
Bitch (:Like are the goats dancing on like two legs or four legs like are they dancing with each other? Are they doing a line dance? Like what is going on with the goat dance? That is what I want to know. Are they two stepping? There could be no square dancing. There could be so many. They could be break dancing and I'm sure there's a lot of goat puns in here that I am missing. Gonna kick myself later. But yeah, and also the fact that the monks were just like, we're gonna get high off this coffee and that's how we see we see God.
Jerk (:Are they two -stepping?
Jerk (:Bye.
Bitch (:Which, I mean, not to be fair, you know, that's the most times I thought I've seen God. It's not been, it hasn't been a red bean, but.
Jerk (:Not from coffee? I like that.
Bitch (:Anyways, so that is what that reference was. It was a throwaway line, but I had never heard that. So of course, I heard goats and I was like, I have to see what this is about. So there you go.
Jerk (:I hadn't either.
Jerk (:I love it. I love it. And I drink a fuck ton of coffee, so go.
Bitch (:Goat Lore.
Do you dance? Do you get into the state of spiritual ecstasy?
Jerk (:But like, I thought if you define that as not being a fucking bitch in the morning.
Bitch (:Go back to enjoying your coffee, not just using it as a mean to stave off stabbation.
Jerk (:I don't actually really I do enjoy my coffee. My coffee makes me happy and it yes it wakes me up and yes I like the caffeine but it also I enjoy my coffee. I do like drinking coffee. So that's awesome. I like it. I like my coffee and my cigarette in the morning. That's that's a great moment every day. I can espresso. I can espresso.
Bitch (:Coffee is nice.
Bitch (:But also a cup of coffee after a meal, like after you're really full, that's also really nice.
Jerk (:good stuff. But a lot of times I can't have coffee after a meal because it's nighttime and I won't sleep.
Bitch (:And don't bother me.
Jerk (:I mean, I can do decaf.
Jerk (:So, all right.
Bitch (:Anyhow, yeah, I think if like you moved to Italy you would get used to be fine So I just think that's the kind of lifestyle I want to live is right. You know, I have a night right? I have a lot of wine with my dinner and then I have coffee. That's not the one that's not the lifestyle I'm living now. But anyways, that's a Mediterranean diet, right? It's drinking wine with dinner then drinking coffee afterwards
Jerk (:Yes.
Jerk (:No. I did it. I did it. I did that in Mexico. I did that in Mexico. Yeah.
Bitch (:They keep saying that. So any house. All right. So he gets told that sad thing, but it's true because servers need money and so the restaurant, Hey, you can't just sit on this table with a cup of coffee forever.
Jerk (:I remember when they made that rule at the IHOP, we all hung out and it was very sad. Somebody always had to order the French fries. So, and he orders these smart heart beer battered tempura tenders and, I was amused and then, everything starts shaking and he says they're getting closer and he flaps out. And this.
Bitch (:Yes, which subsequently freaks out the kid waiting tables.
Jerk (:So freaked out this kid is freaked the fuck out and a man and his manager thinks he's on drugs
Bitch (:on the crack again. And like he said again, apparently he's been on the crack before.
Jerk (:I thought he said the crap on the crack or the crap. I thought he was on the crap again.
Bitch (:I heard crack.
Jerk (:I mean, I feel bad if this kid's a crackhead. I just assumed they thought the kid was high. Damn. Just went straight for it. And we've got two suited up angel henchmen there now.
Bitch (:That's what I thought, I was like, damn!
Jerk (:And, and we, Naomi's office. And basically, he explains what Castiel is doing, because we as a viewer haven't seen this yet, which is that Castiel is going to biggersens all across the country, we see the whole list, we see Palm Bay, what is it Palm Bay, Florida.
Bitch (:Yep, they've just flapped in and then they go back up to the homie.
Bitch (:Sorry, you're gonna start eating with this. It sounds like a bean.
Jerk (:It's not like you're paying, but you're pouring wine. Not being so you got. Bigger says we got Palm Bay, Florida, we have Florida, Denver, Colorado, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Portland, Oregon, St. Louis, Missouri, because what he's doing is because they're all so the same, the angels can't differentiate them.
Bitch (:I was pouring wine into a glass and I did not mute myself. Sorry, I was not peeing, just so you know. Okay. Go back to the bigger screen.
Jerk (:So he so he's able and they can't orient themselves on it. So he just picks which one next and bounces around and they just can't catch him because there's too many. But Naomi big mad about this. She don't like this.
Bitch (:But it's so smart. It's such a great plan. And I do feel like that as someone who is, you know, especially if you really road travel, like hotels all really do look the same. And there is no way like I can tell like what state I was in by my hotel. Right. So I can imagine trying to look for somebody and just being, God damn it. Like, where are you? Why are you in all these bigger sins?
Jerk (:Mm -hmm.
Jerk (:Yeah. So she just says make him stop. And back at the bunker, Sam and Dean are looking through Kevin's notes, but Sam notices there's a symbol that is he said it's kind of referenced as like Metatron's editor notes kind of a thing, but he recognizes it from a humanities course at Stanford about a Native American tribe in Colorado.
Bitch (:The shits, like, I don't know, like, that one year of a year at Sanford, you took a lot of classes, but...
Jerk (:He remembered that? That's the only thing I'm like, that's simple.
Bitch (:No, I do remember things from my magic, ritual and religion anthropology class that I took in undergrad that everybody just took because it was about like drugs and you know, like there are things in there I remember they're all about, you know, drugs, but not the taraglyph that I saw on, you know, but I have seen I have seen actual taraglyphs and I do not remember what was on them.
Jerk (:They didn't offer that class at my school in case you were wondering.
Jerk (:Well, apparently this symbol, apparently this symbol means messenger of God. And so Sam's like, we gotta go to fucking Colorado.
Bitch (:Like much less one that I saw in a lecture seven years ago.
this.
Bitch (:They also belong to a small clan that survived being wiped out when all the other tribes were. So this is one that was like left. Spooky and mystical ancient.
Jerk (:Yeah.
Jerk (:Yeah. And so they are going to go even though Dean is not sold on this plan.
Bitch (:Cause Sam looks like he has...consumption.
Jerk (:assumption. And we've got Cass is just cycling through Biggersons cycling through, but then he's back in Santa Fe.
Bitch (:But if he's going that fast through them, like what are these people in the bigerson singing?
Jerk (:it's quite terrifying.
Bitch (:He's there. He's not there. He's not there. Are they just so like dazed out? They're like, I don't know. Someone's at table five, table five. Yeah.
Jerk (:I don't know, maybe it's all the same to them too. It's just some dude, some dude in a trench coat drinking coffee. Well, at this.
Bitch (:Or his hands above the table, I guess we're fine.
Jerk (:Back in Santa Fe is a bloodbath and poor Kara the waitress's eyes have been burned out like they are when you see an angel and it's very sad and she just...
Bitch (:It's very sad. It is very well done, but it is, it is gore. It is. This is a fricking gore scene and her eyes are so, and she's going to, and then it just like gets worse. Cause she's then she's just like a creepy doll.
Jerk (:Yeah.
Jerk (:Yeah, she just keeps repeating. She's crying. Crying noises. I guess she's not really crying. She doesn't have fucking eyes. And just saying he has to stop. He has to stop. Or tell Castiel they said he has to stop. Tell Castiel they said he has to stop. Has to stop. Over and over. And then the two Angel henchmen are there with blades to Castiel.
Bitch (:You have to stop.
Bitch (:And then we go from there to Route 34 Colorado at the Two Rivers Hotel and Casino.
Jerk (:Which looks really cute, but there's no one there. Empty casinos.
Bitch (:They're very dark and there's like a lot of slot machines and that looks like my dream. I'm just gonna play all these slot machines and not be around people.
Jerk (:But you can't play table games. I like card games sometimes.
Bitch (:Maybe if there was like a ghost dealer.
Jerk (:Well, they've a Native American man greets them at the counter. Well, I say greets a strong word. He he is. He's like he just looks at them incredulously and he's hearing Sam's hearing noises. Everything's blurry. It's like drunk vision and.
Bitch (:Yeah, Houston's very confused and they're like, we want a room. You say what?
Bitch (:He's taking the brown acid.
Jerk (:And then Dean tells the receptionist guy, I guess, the hotel manager that Sam has the flu. I just don't think that's a very good thing to say at a hotel. But anyways.
Bitch (:Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm bringing in somebody with an infectious disease. Can we have a room?
Jerk (:But anyway, so back at the bigger sins, cars still crying about how Castile has to stop with no eyes. And then Naomi appears and just really heartlessly. There's like snaps her. I guess puts her out of her misery. I don't know. Kills kills her. And I like Castiel reminds Naomi that you're supposed to be the shepherd, not a murderer.
Bitch (:The fuck you doing Nahomi? And then she is like, well remember the time we killed all those babies at Egypt? And Cass is like, but I wasn't there. And I'm like, you were.
Jerk (:You just don't remember, because I've been fucking with your brain too much.
Bitch (:But I mean, I guess that's a good thing to get taken out of your head. I'd probably be okay losing that memory if I was with Cass, you know? Because I was thought of baby murdering, and that seems like something I wouldn't want to remember.
Jerk (:Yeah.
Jerk (:Yeah.
Jerk (:That seems like a bad, bad, bad memory. So Castiel, she's telling, calling out Castiel for never doing what he's told and that he won't even die right. But all she wants to know now is where the angel tablet is. Castiel has a response for her, he says in words of my friend, bite me.
Bitch (:Yeah, she's one of my fans of that. So she sends the angels off to look in the Vigorsons.
Jerk (:Yeah, back in Kevin's simulation, our demon Salmondine are there and Kevin's like, hey, guys, I need food. And he puts together a massive order. He wants barbecue ribs, garlic, mashed potatoes, mixed greens with baby lettuce, cornbread and Pad Thai.
Bitch (:Yeah, so he wants a lot, a lot of food.
Jerk (:That means more than one stop. That's asking a lot, I'm just saying. They gave you all the barbecue -y stuff one place, but the pad thai...
Bitch (:Yeah, yeah, especially during this time. You couldn't like do like a pre -order of an app. Like you really had to go and you had to wait, but then your food would also be cold. Like, I don't know, man.
Jerk (:I don't know. It's all bad. But either way, so then as they as they leave, Crowley's like, these salmon dinner doing they're not half bad, you know, and he's all proud of it. And they all agree in his little fake TV crew is agreeing with him and tells Crowley that he would have made a great team.
Bitch (:I really would like to see that. I would like to see Mark, you know, Mark Shepard doing Dean here. That would be funny.
Jerk (:Yeah.
Jerk (:That would be funny. So we back at our hotel, Sam and Dean realize they are the only fucking guests here. That sounds so creepy and awful. And I know you're going to be like, my dream.
Bitch (:Yeah, but also like are the beds getting changed? Like sheets getting put on beds? Like is it how much dusty? Like what's what is happening? What has been going on in the past like six years? I don't get it.
Jerk (:It's gonna be so dusty and musty.
Jerk (:I don't know. But Sam's having weird, Sam's like having very vivid memories of his very, very young from very, very young age. And Dean is like, can barely like remember this of them going to the Grand Canyon and the donkey that Dean was riding was farting a lot apparently and Sam thinks this is hysterical.
Bitch (:Well, and there's also there is an episode I forgot to mark down which one it was way, way back when, when Dean said, and all the times we've crossed a country, I've never been to the Grand Canyon. So either he forgot or they messed up.
Jerk (:This didn't happen. interesting. Yeah, so because this apparently happened in their childhood. Yeah, we got dancing goats and farting mules this episode. I mean, we're on a roll with the animals. So, yeah. Well, Dean's going to go see this museum in town and try to find out some more info about what the fuck's going on here.
Bitch (:but also farting meals are funny.
Jerk (:And Sam is thinks he's going to go follow our hotel manager, aka Dr. Scally Scal, who looks like a Scooby Doo villain. He does. So at the museum, Dean is talking to the curator, for lack of a better term, and or is like a gift shop museum thing. And he's the guy's telling him about how a great spirit.
Bitch (:Look at this.
Bitch (:I thought it was a gift shop, so whatever.
Jerk (:messenger save them and be in their only offering to him was to bring him stories. So but then Dean recognizes one of the
Bitch (:And they would also get a lot of blessings if they did that right. So they had to leave him gifts, which are stories, and then they get a lot of blessings.
Jerk (:Right.
Jerk (:Yes. And Dean notices that their hotel manager is in like this really old photo. So back in the hotel, Sam wakes up and he decides to leave the room and stumbles down this very long, creepy hallway and hides as he sees the hotel manager stacking boxes outside the door to another room. So that means there is, I was going to make some like jokes about.
Bitch (:And that's a little sus.
Bitch (:It looks like my house.
Jerk (:internet ordering addictions or issues or Amazon problems or whatever, but we'll leave that. But it's a fuck ton of boxes.
Bitch (:Yeah, that literally is a Tuesday over here. Just boxes of books showing up, so.
Jerk (:Yeah, lots of boxes and it is full of books. So and all of our twists is the money. So it's stories. So he Sam stumbles back to their room, calls Dean and as Dean answers, he passes out, which is going to make Dean really worried. And I felt really bad for him because I would be very distraught. So. Yes. No, he's in town. He's nearby. Back at the Pearsons.
Bitch (:Yeah.
But at least he's like there. He's not far.
Jerk (:Cass is getting punched because they have not been able to locate the angel tablet at any of the bigger sins they went to.
Bitch (:and they're not happy about that and then all of a sudden BAM here comes Crowley and he is what
Jerk (:He's shooting the angel, shoots the angel hatchet.
Bitch (:This is the first time we've ever seen angels get shot. What the hell is happening? What is going on?
Jerk (:It's very odd, very weird. But we cut back to the hotel anyways, because Sam wakes up in in what? What does he wake up in, Liz?
Bitch (:Well, it's supposed to be an ice bath, but when I was typing my notes, I looked earlier and it said ass bath. Well, I guess like all baths are kind of ass baths.
Jerk (:I mean, I guess they are, technically. I mean, if you don't put your ass in, that'd be weird. That'd be a really weird bath.
Bitch (:anyway so Sam says Metatron is here and we almost had a Metatron versus Megatron quiz but I figured we'll save that for another day it's there so just prepare that's gonna happen at some point
You can study up now if you want.
Jerk (:So, Sam's like, look, I can hear Metatron and he's got a fuck ton of books, which are the stories, which is what he's giving blessings for getting. So.
in the bigger sense. Crowley explains why he's able to shoot the fucking angels because apparently he wanted his guys melted down an angel blade and made bullets out of it.
It's brilliant.
Bitch (:Yeah, it's pretty smart. And then Naomi is like, I'm just going to go out glowy then.
Jerk (:And he shoots, but she disappears. So we figure out though that one of the angels is dead, the angel henchman is dead. The other one is not. He's just slightly injured because he's working for Crowley.
Bitch (:He's a double angel engine. Double A. Like a battery.
Jerk (:It's hard to say. Well, yeah. And so now Kath is shot in the gut by Crowley and no, he's gut shot.
Bitch (:not my bra size.
Bitch (:But he's not dead. So now I'm going like, what the fuck is going on with these angel bullets? Like, do they work? Do they not work? I don't understand because what does the angel blade have to like get you in a certain place to kill you because that's not always do some fuck. Get your damn cannon straight. So, yeah. So we go back to Mr. Fizzle, which I want to call the Fizzle.
Jerk (:Well, no, it's very, very unclear and confusing.
Jerk (:the fish is all and Kevin is telling them that he can't make out the writing because of the where the break in the stone is and he needs the other.
Bitch (:Yep, and so just do the other tablet. Go get it.
Jerk (:Hmm. So we pop over to Crowley's office and we've got an injured Casiel and the double agent angel and Casiel's like, I'm never going to tell you where the other half is. And.
Bitch (:No, you're never gonna get it.
Jerk (:Crowley is pretty smart though, as much as he's a jerk face. And he's like, well, Naomi thinks that touching the tablet is it broke her hold on you. So maybe, and because, you know, maybe that's maybe wouldn't ever let it like get away from you that.
Bitch (:Maybe you never stop touching it. So where could you have put it? Where is it?
Jerk (:Mm hmm. So it's so gross. He reaches inside the bullet hole and pulls out a giant piece of tablet from Castiel's tum tum.
Bitch (:Yeah, so, somehow he's made like a prison pocket out of his chest.
Jerk (:It's a belly button prison pocket.
Bitch (:that's just nasty.
Jerk (:very gross and weird, all of it.
Bitch (:How did he get the tablet inside of him? I don't know. I don't know. is it confusing? I don't know. There's a few ways he could go in.
Jerk (:That's. That's the confusing part.
Jerk (:I think it's flying up or down.
I mean, I think he probably just like pushed it through his skin. I don't know. I don't know. I can't process that information, so we're just going to.
Bitch (:Did he key through the tablet? I don't know. I don't know. So the angel looks sad at this. He should just look disturbed.
Jerk (:Yeah, it's not sad. It's not the right emotion here. But Crowley's phone rings because he's and he's all proud of himself. And it's our demon Sam and Demon Dean. And they are in a storage room. And we've got a dirty jukebox by the Beagle Brothers playing, which is too often used in kind of silly scenes. And basically, Kevin knew they were fake and tricked them. And the other half of the tablet's not where they are.
Bitch (:And now they're in a, dun dun dun, a devil's trap. I feel like we should have a bird.
Jerk (:They are. They are trapped. Double strap. So Crowley's pissed because he's like, this is supposed to be a good moment. You just fucking ruined it. So he leaves the angel henchman, angel double agent henchman to watch Kath yell while he goes to unfuck this.
Bitch (:I did my shoulder hurt so I did that.
Jerk (:back at the hotel. Dean's like, Sam, you got to go to the fucking ER. But Sam's like, no, I remember things. I remember you reading to me when I was a kid and all these other things. And I've got to go on this quest like Galahad.
Bitch (:And I can't say that I have never had to use the walls of a hotel hallway as a guide to get to someplace else.
Jerk (:but he's also convinced that the trials are purifying him.
Bitch (:which is kind of an interesting take a lot on, especially if you think of, like someone's pointed out in Christian mythology that purgatory is where souls get cleansed before they go to heaven. So like the fact that he has now been through hell and through purgatory. So according to that, he would have been some kind of cleanse, but by that logic though.
Dean also went to purgatory so he would also have been clanned and he did not get tuberculosis.
Jerk (:Yeah, but he's not going through the intentionally going through the trials. So I don't know. Either way, they get to this other hotel room where the boxes were, but their boxes are gone. But the door is slightly ajar. So they enter like they do. And there's just this room is like stacks and stacks and stacks of books. Stacks on books on books.
Bitch (:Right, but yeah, so I don't know.
Bitch (:They must smell so good and have so many little like bugs in there anyways, so
Jerk (:And then, and then the gun cocks and there is a someone pointing a gun at them and wants to know who they are and tells them to sit down when they ask if this is Metatron. Yeah. And he wants to know who sent them and if they work for Michael or Lucifer. And Sam's like, wait, you haven't heard of us. We're the freaking Winchesters.
Bitch (:Metatron?
Bitch (:Yeah, and his tinnitus has picked up real bad.
Jerk (:it's so bad. It's uncomfortable to watch. I feel bad. Yeah. So back in Crowley's office, which appears from the window to be in a Korean attorney's storefront.
Bitch (:and I can't really listen to.
Jerk (:Random. Crowley's asking the double agent angel, like, how far are you going to let this go? And he's he's like, look.
Bitch (:Yeah.
Bitch (:A nihilistic angel who's just like the rule of nothing matters. Nothing really matters.
Jerk (:Yeah, nothing matters. And Castiel says it all matters. And he pulls the bullet out of his gut.
Bitch (:He takes out his angel shrapnel.
Jerk (:So here's the thing I have to ask too though. So if the bullet went in, did it not hit the tablet and then wouldn't have been in front of the tablet when they pulled the tablet out or did that stop the bullet? And is that why he didn't die?
Bitch (:Maybe that's why he didn't die.
Jerk (:So weird. Anyways.
Bitch (:and that's why Crowley knew he could shoot him because he knew like the tablet would stop it?
Jerk (:Maybe.
Bitch (:Mm. Mm.
Jerk (:I mean, I just, that's a lot for you to leave for your audience to guess at.
Bitch (:Yeah, okay. All right. Yeah, I mean, you got me there, I guess. So then Crowley, Crowley kicks down the door to the boat.
Jerk (:Hehehehe
Yeah, he's big mad. He's got a bloody tablet and Kevin is calmly eating his ribs, which I appreciate. And basically he figured it out when they first started figuring it out when they forgot the secret knock. And also because even on their best day, Sam and Dean wouldn't go into town for barbecue and pad thai for dinner when there's frozen burritos there.
Bitch (:Yeah, they certainly would not have gone to two places. That would have been a whole go fuck yourself. So the bottom line is the demons were too nice.
Jerk (:Yeah. So back in Metatron's room, Dean's like, yeah, we put both Michael and Lucifer in the deep fryer. Gabriel and Rafael are fucking dead. And Sam's like, can you turn down the fucking ringing? So and he's like, Sam's resonating because he's doing the trials. That's what this is called is resonating.
Bitch (:So he is resonating with the word. Which sounds like a really bad hippie album or something.
Jerk (:Mm -hmm.
Jerk (:It sounds like some real hippie shit in general. And he's like, I had to be careful because I'm not an archangel. I'm just was pulled from the secretarial pool to to to write stuff down and write these instructions for God. And then God was gone and the archangels took over and they were cried because they wanted their father back. But then they just.
Bitch (:Hehehehehe
Bitch (:Yeah, power corrupted them. They started getting all scheming. And so they needed the word of God. So.
Jerk (:Mm -hmm.
to take over for themselves. And so Metatron knew they'd need him, so he disappeared.
Hmm. Which is Dean calls out to kind of put your head in the sand. But back over in the office, we've got our. Henchman guy, which I keep calling him that because it was just easier.
Bitch (:And we do learn here that his name is Ion, which is, I did not look up to see if there was an angel named Ion.
Jerk (:But he's just like, you know, he's doesn't really like working for him. He sucks, you know, and like and talking shit about that in general. And so Castiel hits him and takes the bullet. They just pulled out of his gut. Climbs on him and shoves it into his eyeball to kill him.
Bitch (:Why couldn't he just push it up his nose?
Jerk (:I don't know, does that like break a skin or something?
Bitch (:or his ear or in his mouth? Like, I don't know, like with the mouth, like if he swallowed it, would he die?
Jerk (:I don't know, it was very distressing.
Bitch (:I don't know, I feel like the eyeball was just maybe a little much. I feel like there are other holes you could have gone through that would have been less distressing.
Jerk (:That was gross.
Jerk (:But does it mean did it have to break a plane? I don't know. It was very upsetting. That's all I know.
Bitch (:That's, I don't, man, that's not generally how sword play works. I don't, I don't know. So, but he dead now. So, no more ion. He got the ionic treatment. He, he...
Jerk (:I don't know.
Jerk (:So back in Metatron with Metatron, Dean is calling him out for hiding and listening to all these stories and reading all these books and not doing shit. And Metatron is proud of himself. He's like, look at all this. You know, it doesn't matter all the mayhem and murder, you know, all this coming just from the invention of God's naked apes.
Bitch (:And then he says something which is kind of profound, which is that when you create stories, you become gods of tiny infinite universes. And I think that is just kind of awesome.
Jerk (:It is.
Jerk (:I agree. I really do. Because we were just talking a minute, we were talking earlier before we started recording about, I stay up too late reading about other worlds, you know, and that kind of fits in here. That's like, you know, my preferred genre is not always like, you know,
Bitch (:Yeah, but also pointing out that as you create these stories, there's this actual you can control this whole other universe and all these other people. And but that, yeah.
Jerk (:Yeah, you create life, you create person people, you create personality, backstory, the whole thing you're creating a thing. It's really cool.
Bitch (:Yeah, and then you can go like, am I in a simulation? So don't think about it too much. Am I in somebody's universe? God damn it, is Monogat gonna show up? no. Anyway, so say on Terra's metatronome, everyone.
Jerk (:But
Jerk (:Yeah, because he's like, wait, so you're just reading about all this suffering. And while people are killed and you didn't do anything. What's the point? But. And then Dean asks about Kevin's story. What about this? He got sucked into this angel crap with being the prophet and somebody should have fucking looked out for him. But Metatron made him the prophet, essentially, and he's just sitting around reading books.
Bitch (:Yeah, he's your like, I think you're dancing. This is your profit. This is your responsibility. He is the word of God's prophet. Like you should take better care of your things, man.
Jerk (:Mm -hmm.
Yeah, and he's dead now because of you. And then Kevin is taunting Crowley back on the boat about the third trial and shutting the door and calls out that Crowley doesn't, you know, doesn't know what's on the demon tablet. And Crowley is big mad, big mad. And he's like, no, guess what? I've got the fucking angel tablet now. And he's choking Kevin out.
And then Kevin starts glowy eyes like an angel and he blasts Crowley back and Kevin's gone.
Very weird.
Bitch (:He has been rescued by Mettaton!
Jerk (:Yay. Yay. Yay. So and he's very injured and not well, but Metatron touches his chest and heals them. Yeah, it's good stuff. And Dean asked Metatron, like, you know, how good how you get to this? Yeah.
Bitch (:How you get in? There's angel warning. How did you get through there?
Jerk (:Right. And he's the scribe of God. So that, I guess, makes a difference.
Bitch (:He said he erased it. So he basically he could erase whatever because he he's a scribe of God. It is a weird rule, but I also think it would be very handy if you were in a neighborhood with a lot of graffiti that, you know, especially like if there are people who are tagging things you didn't like, you're just like, I'm just like, and where he does also just be really cool for artists, too, right? It's like, hey, you guys want to come up and like, all right, now someone's next turn. But anyhow.
Jerk (:That's a weird rule.
Bitch (:And then unfortunately Dean is also awarded by a Metatron speech because there's something that you're going to start to learn and that as the as the word of God, he thinks he has a lot of words. Metatron has a lot of words.
Jerk (:He does have a lot of words, a lot of words, a lot of words. And he is, Dean's asking like, well, are you on our side to close the gates of hell? And that's when we get our speech. And what's it going to be? What's it going to take? What's it going to be like after? And that is a good point. What is this? What's the impact of this? No one has discussed what's going to happen.
Bitch (:Which is a really good point, right? Like, so these dudes start like, right? Like, you haven't thought, like, you just thought that closing the gates of hell was going to be easy? Like, you were just gonna solve these questions three and then just like walk, like, and close the gates of fucking hell? Like, why would it be that fucking easy?
Jerk (:Nothing is. Nothing is.
Bitch (:Especially since let a trial set by God. Like, those things are not easy and they always have consequences. So apparently now they're gonna start thinking about this finally. Maybe a little late.
Jerk (:Mm -mm.
Jerk (:Yeah, that's an interesting time. Now we have only, they've done, they're two thirds of the way through this. And now they're going to think about the ramifications. Cool. Cool. Cool. Yeah. But Kevin wakes up and he's like, by the way, I've got the second half of the tablet and I know what the third trial is. And Metatron knows what it is. He just says that he's like, yeah, he got a cure. A demon. Hmm. Cure a demon.
Bitch (:Men are idiots.
Jerk (:That's interesting. And so we get a scene of Sam and Dean driving at night and Dean wants to know what it means to cure a demon, which is a reasonable fucking question. I would like to know too. And I think it's a different type of cure. You gotta like salt it and hang it out for a little while. I mean, demon pickle or jerky, I don't know. Yeah.
Bitch (:I would like to know.
Like, is it like, fermented?
You just make it make a demon pickle?
Jerk (:But Sam's like, I just feel better having a direction. We're almost at the end. He's not that cheerful, but it's true. Yeah.
Bitch (:Which kind of makes sense though, right? Like his trial, like his body wants to do the trial and now he kind of knows where he's going. So he says he feels better with that.
Jerk (:And then there's a body in the road. shit, that's Castiel laying in the middle of a dark highway.
Bitch (:Oops.
Jerk (:And that's our episode. And we never know why the fuck the Native American, old Native American dude that works at the hotel was in that historic photo.
Bitch (:No.
Jerk (:I just have a feeling that that was not coming back to us, so I figured I'd point that out. Anyways, it doesn't.
Bitch (:I don't know. I honestly don't remember if we ever learned why he was there. But I think it's just like they've been there for centuries and they got gifts and the gifts just got to be longevity or skin that don't crack. I don't know. Like, you know, you just you got some really good skin and hair. Like, I you got like, I don't know, there's.
Jerk (:I guess so. Well, that's. But it is some good skin and hair.
Bitch (:whatever Metatron gave them, they had to put up with Metatron for, and so let's talk, because you notice how like nobody's in that hotel, maybe it's just because Metatron wouldn't shut up and maybe that's why that poor like general manager is so traumatized at the front and he's like, why are you here? He won't shut the fuck up. Like I said, I wanted to live forever, but I don't know, take it back.
Jerk (:Let me let me stand. Let me say let's say I mean, he talked a lot, but I didn't think it was that much.
Bitch (:I think I just know what's coming. So like, let's go to casting call and then we can discuss the feelings.
Jerk (:All right. Let's get this cast because it is we've got just only a couple of note, but I want to make sure we get to them. So our demon Dean was played by Jordan Connor and he is Sweet Pea in Riverdale. And he's been in episodes of The Magicians and Lucifer. Other things we enjoy. So Esper not to be not the other not my own Esper. One of our angels was played by Nelson Lace.
He's been in 4 ,400 fringe flash hell on wheels, Van Helsing, Last of Us and Shogun. And he was Beelzebub in the Chilling Adventures of Sabrina.
Metatron. Whatever you think of the character in this show is played by a pretty iconic character actor. Curtis Armstrong has been in episodes of TV shows. He's been in episodes of TV shows like everything from Murphy Brown, Sybil, Lois and Clark.
Bitch (:Booger.
Jerk (:Ellen Felicity multiple times third rock from the sun that 70s show Grey's Anatomy Ghost Whisperer iCarly My Name is Earl House CSI Scandal Bones Workaholics and Stumptown. He was miles in risky business he was Charles in Better Off Dead Booger in Revenge of the Nerds one two three and four Burt in Moonlighting for 37 episodes.
He was a campus cop in Van Wilder, Mr. Ralph in Dodgeball, Morgan in Man of the House with Tommy Lee Jones, Mr. Welch in Akila and the Bee, Morris in Smoke and Aces, Principal Foster in New Girl for 14 episodes, and Dago Doug in Happy for three episodes, and Ezekiel the Cockroach in Doom Patrol.
Bitch (:Yeah, that's who's slim, but yeah, no, he's, he's, they always get some really big people for these angel characters, I think.
Jerk (:But a ton of stuff.
Jerk (:Yeah, they do a good job on that casting for sure. And he's, you know, it's a an interesting choice because it's not like I'm not going to say like they make the angels attractive per se. But let's just say that Mr. Armstrong, you are a great, very entertaining actor, but he's not your good looking type. I don't know how else to say it. He's not classically handsome.
Bitch (:He's not your classic leading man.
Jerk (:So, it's an interesting choice.
Bitch (:He's a character actor. So he's probably getting a punch in the face pretty soon. Sorry, all the character actors are getting punched in the face. If you're listening to this at a later date, this is post -Studio Michigan getting punched in the face. Anyhow, it was a bold choice cotton to put him in there, but also it makes sense, I think, for this character.
Jerk (:I really appreciate your dodgeball reference there because dodgeball, thank you. But yeah, no, it was good. Interesting episode.
Bitch (:I think so, and as you are next to see season finale, right? So we're at the cusp of will there won't they close the gates of hell? I guess we have one episode to find out if that happens to this is episode 21.
Are there 23 episodes this season?
Jerk (:I don't know.
how many episodes there are total. But I don't think the next one's the last one.
Bitch (:Do do do do do.
Jerk (:But we're getting there. We're getting closer.
Bitch (:no, it's not. So we see, yeah, yeah, okay. You know, there's two more. There's two more.
Jerk (:We're getting close. We're getting very close. So, yeah. No, I think it was I think it's interesting to me. Metatron. I'm relieved that Kevin is free because I'm. I was mad at Sam and Dean like you for just letting him by. I guess he ran off that bullshit. And then.
The interaction with Crowley is getting weirder to me. So I'm intrigued to see where that goes. Because he's getting very fixated on stopping them.
Bitch (:What do you mean?
Jerk (:Rightfully so. Well, I mean, just like he's he's going further. Like he did this whole like instead of just like strong arming, he did this whole thing to try to trick Kevin. He's got his double agent angel. He's like going head to head with Naomi. Like he's just got he went out. He stepped it up in the aggression level.
Bitch (:Okay, yeah. Well, he is the king of hell now, so he's got stuff to do.
Jerk (:So yeah, but I think it's interesting to find out what's actually going on in heaven because we're getting hinted around that not all is as it seems with Naomi.
Bitch (:Cool.
Bitch (:Yeah, I'm also slightly confused about heaven right now because I just read like rewatch the last episode of Good Omens because there's a metatron that's in there. And so I was, you know, as part of the metatron versus Megatron quiz, maybe that's a hint. I don't know. But I was rewatching that and there's a heaven in there, which is kind of similar to the heaven that's in Supernatural, but not the same, but kind of the same. And so it's my brain is going like, wait, which which heaven are we in now? Where are we?
Jerk (:I do like good omens though.
Bitch (:Yeah, and pressure. All right. So yeah, we're getting close anything else we we we got All right, so I guess we'll see you next time cheers jerk
Jerk (:Not on this one.
Jerk (:Cheers, bitch.
