10:13 Halt and Catch Fire
Halt and Catch Fire, then listen to this episode, which may both make you hungry and scared of the Internet. Liz tells Diana about maia arson crimew and the Verkada hack.
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- FTC Settlement: Explained
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- Verkada to Pay $2.95 Million for Security Failures Leading to Breaches - Cybersecurity
- Verkada Settles Major Lawsuit with $2.95 Million Penalty and New Data Security Requirements
- Adrian Dittmann: Musk Continues to Block reporter
- Security startup Verkada hack exposes 150,000 security cameras in Tesla factories, jails, and more | The Verge
- About the March 8 & 9, 2021 Verkada camera hack
- Source code from dozens of companies leaked online
- This is how the hacker from Lucerne ticks, who keeps the FBI central with her attack on trot
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- Verkada Gave Various Employees Access To Any Camera Without Telling Customers
- 150,000 Verkada security cameras hacked—to make a point
- Hacked Surveillance Camera Firm Shows Staggering Scale of Facial Recognition
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- Pokemon’s Sprigatito becomes the unwitting mascot of “anarchist kitten’s” colossal No-Fly List leak | GamesRadar+
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Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we learn you can't salt the Internet as much as you want to.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Let's go to Taco Town.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And we're going to Talk Season 10, Episode 13, Halt and Catch Fire.
Speaker A:Sure are.
Speaker A:So what have you been up to?
Speaker B:I feel like I did something.
Speaker B:I went.
Speaker B:I went to my friend's bar to a crawfish boil.
Speaker B:Other than that, that's.
Speaker B:I feel like that's it.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's crawfish season, so that's exciting.
Speaker B:I've had crawfish twice already this crawfish season.
Speaker B:I'm not mad at this.
Speaker A:That's really good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Not mad at that at all.
Speaker B:And, yeah, just doing exciting stuff like, you know, working and going to the doctor and cleaning my house or doing nothing.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I've done a lot of that.
Speaker A:That's good.
Speaker B:I'm trying.
Speaker B:I'm trying so hard to do nothing.
Speaker B:Sometimes those are, you know, or your.
Speaker A:Body will force you to do nothing.
Speaker A:So either you take the time voluntarily or your body will shut your ass down.
Speaker B:It will so.
Speaker B:It will.
Speaker B:It will.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, that's.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker B:How about you?
Speaker A:I mean, nothing much is going on.
Speaker A:I just saw a turkey cross the road.
Speaker A:I don't know where he was going.
Speaker B:I feel like there's a joke in there somewhere, but I don't think.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't know, but he was cross.
Speaker A:I think it was a.
Speaker A:I mean, do all boy turkeys have the.
Speaker A:The gobble thing?
Speaker B:The gobbler.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I, I think it was a boy turkey, but I don't.
Speaker A:I'm not sure.
Speaker A:I, I didn't ask.
Speaker A:I didn't.
Speaker A:I didn't gender the turkey, but yeah, it was.
Speaker A:So that was fun.
Speaker A:So I have a turkey.
Speaker A:That means there's more turkeys.
Speaker A:Probably.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Aren't they usually in groups?
Speaker A:Usually when I've seen them, like, they usually kind of have like a big one.
Speaker A:So that was just one turkey walking by themselves.
Speaker A:Maybe it was a rebel, a loner, or it was just like, I don't want to get the bird flu.
Speaker A:Fuck you guys.
Speaker A:I'm going off my own.
Speaker A:I don't trust you.
Speaker B:Isolating.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's like, I, I, I, I.
Speaker A:It's been so long since co.
Speaker A:I forgot what that term was like.
Speaker A:You're self white.
Speaker A:What are you doing?
Speaker A:Self isolating.
Speaker A:Is that what that's called?
Speaker B:Oh, I mean, we're just about five years out now, which is bizarre.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I'm watching a TV show that's taking place like, right.
Speaker A:I'm re.
Speaker A:I'm watching 91 1.
Speaker A:And so where I'm at in it, in their se.
Speaker A:Like season four, it's like, right.
Speaker A:That period right after, like when people started.
Speaker A:They started filming TV again.
Speaker A:And so they're making a big deal about like all the COVID things they're doing during the show, not realizing that like four years, nobody gives a.
Speaker A:About this.
Speaker A:Like, we're just like.
Speaker B:Yeah, about a year and a half after that, people stopped giving us.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's still an interesting point in time and, you know, it'll be an interesting thing for people to look back and see all the things that they did.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So four years ago.
Speaker B:Four years ago we went to Belize.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Time is a weird construct that I just don't like it.
Speaker A:And I think also to spend so much time, like, thinking about the past and like, reading about the past and then like, I get.
Speaker A:I think once I get into the present that I'm like, no, I don't like it.
Speaker A:Let's go back in the past again.
Speaker A:Like, the past is not great, but at least I knew it was going to happen.
Speaker A:And I'm not going to be surprised.
Speaker B:That is that those are facts, you.
Speaker A:Know, or at least it's not going to impact that my.
Speaker A:My life that much.
Speaker A:It'll be like an intellectual surprise.
Speaker A:Not like a, oh, now I don't have toilet paper for two weeks.
Speaker A:You know, like that kind.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, nobody likes that kind.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, that's not a lot of news for us.
Speaker A:And in SPN land, not still not a ton going on there.
Speaker A:Jared and Jensen are just truggling along on their projects and the rest of the people seem to be doing stuff.
Speaker A:So yay, good times.
Speaker A:Yay, doing stuff.
Speaker A:All right, so this episode, Halt and Catch Fire.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Hcf.
Speaker A:That's a.
Speaker A:That's a code in the computer.
Speaker A:Code.
Speaker A:If you actually.
Speaker A:So if Halt and Catch Fire is a code, it's theoretically a code that makes a computer not work.
Speaker A:And it was a myth and then it was real.
Speaker A:Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:But then there was also a TV show they made after that and they were trying to.
Speaker A:To hit and Oliver Gen X's nostalgia.
Speaker A:So as.
Speaker A:As this episode does a little bit.
Speaker A:This was season 10, episode 13.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:Showalter, who we last saw in season nine's Sharp Teeth.
Speaker A:And I think I'm gonna like it here.
Speaker A:And it was written by the duo Eric Carmelo and Nicole Snyder, who we last saw also in season nine with Dog Dean, Afternoo the Purge.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Fun Months is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we open in Spencer, Iowa, and we see a closeup on a license plate on a Ford pickup that says Semper Fi.
Speaker B:So we know that we have someone that isn't affiliated with a The Marine Corps in some way, shape, or form.
Speaker B:And it's a couple in the car, and he basically, like, basically, they both acknowledge that they're drunk and they're gonna go find tacos because they're in college.
Speaker A:And that's what they do.
Speaker A:You go to Taco Cabana because that is the only place that's open 24 hours in your town.
Speaker B:Yeah, in this one, it's Taco Town.
Speaker A:It is Taco Town.
Speaker A:And I would like to go to Taco Town.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I was pretty into it too.
Speaker A:Let's go to Taco Town.
Speaker A:Because they're at Taco Town.
Speaker A:You can get a queso rito and a chichi melt.
Speaker A:Don't know what a chichi melt is, but I would like one.
Speaker B:I'm not opposed to finding out.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's not going to be bad.
Speaker A:I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be mad at the chichi melt.
Speaker B:No, it's gonna be delicious, for sure.
Speaker A:Or it's about boobs.
Speaker A:I mean, because that's totally what I think chi chis are so.
Speaker B:Well, he's all proud of himself because he has Trini in his car, which is their equivalent of Siri of to give him directions to.
Speaker B:To talk his directions to him.
Speaker B:And so he's following these directions and they don't really make sense.
Speaker B:And then she's kind of calls the chick out.
Speaker B:Janet's like, this doesn't really.
Speaker B:This doesn't make sense.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, the map's not wrong.
Speaker B:And then the car gets really cold, and they end up at a closed bridge.
Speaker B:And he's like, alternate route.
Speaker B:And the map's like, proceed ahead.
Speaker B:And I go, oh, oh.
Speaker B:And he tells Trini to go screw yourself.
Speaker B:And she says it back.
Speaker B:And then she tells Janet to get out of the truck.
Speaker B:This is when you're like, oh, shit.
Speaker B:Do what she says, Janet.
Speaker B:Do what she says after.
Speaker B:She says it.
Speaker B:After the.
Speaker B:Trini says it twice.
Speaker B:Janet gets the fuck out and he duder's trying to get out, but it's too slow and gets locked in and then the gas pedal goes down and the car takes off and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And insults them as it with a really bad joke.
Speaker B:Destination dead ahead.
Speaker B:Boo.
Speaker A:Not only do you have to die, but like that's the last thing you have to hear, you fucking bitch.
Speaker B:So brutal.
Speaker B:And Janet's screaming, truck's going off the bridge.
Speaker B:And we get to the nice crescendo moment of Head full of doubt, Road full of poor Promised by the Ava brothers.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:As that happens, it's actually really well timed.
Speaker B:Gold star.
Speaker B:That's my.
Speaker B:That's my hot take on the music for that scene.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker B:So yeah, back at the bunker, Sam and Dean.
Speaker B:Dean has another food item that we would like and that is a Krasuki.
Speaker B:So he said it's the new cronut, which I also don't think I ever got a cronut.
Speaker A:Yeah, No, I never said in line for one.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think you can get them now at like voodoo or something.
Speaker A:Or something.
Speaker B:But I also distinctly remember when I was a child and we wanted to make like you could anyways, we would basically like make like use like croissant mix.
Speaker B:You can use croissant or biscuit mix and make your own donuts at home.
Speaker B:Like fry fried at home.
Speaker B:Anyways, yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam's like, hey, by the way, Cass has discovered riverboat gambling.
Speaker B:And then every song whether of a boat gamblers popped up in my head.
Speaker A:I hope he's dressing like a riverboat gambler.
Speaker B:That would be amazing.
Speaker A:Like the band, not like, not like the Austin ones.
Speaker A:Because that would mean he just looks like he needs to shower.
Speaker A:He actually already is dressing like.
Speaker A:Remember when he was dressing like a homeless person?
Speaker A:He was dressing like a riverboat gambler, but you know, like an old timey riverboat gambler.
Speaker B:Oh, you want like a top hat and like a big clay top hats.
Speaker A:You know, I don't know the people like right up and down the Mississippi.
Speaker B:And you know, I feel like there's a lot of collars involved probably.
Speaker A:It's like in Wild Wild West.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's what a riverboat gambler looks like.
Speaker A:In my head at least.
Speaker A:It looks steampunk people.
Speaker A:That's probably not what they did.
Speaker A:But in my head there's.
Speaker B:I think that's why I went top hat.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I'm so now I'm down with that.
Speaker A:All right, so he's got.
Speaker A:He's got A top hat.
Speaker A:And he's closing in on Kane.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, so what happens if he finds him?
Speaker B:And because he makes.
Speaker B:Dean makes a very valid point.
Speaker B:Like Sam, apparently.
Speaker B:And Cass, right?
Speaker B:We're gonna find Kane and Kane's gonna tell us how to get rid of the Mark.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, if he could have gotten rid of the Mark, wouldn't they have done that like centuries ago?
Speaker A:Why does he still have it?
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker B:And it's like, oh, that's a good point.
Speaker B:But of course, Sam is not to be deterred.
Speaker B:And Dean has found a case of Iowa teen claims a possessed pickup kills driver.
Speaker A:So let's go to the Midwest.
Speaker A:Said nobody ever.
Speaker A:So they're going to the Midwest.
Speaker B:Kasem College.
Speaker A:Aren't they already in the Midwest?
Speaker B:Kind of.
Speaker B:That's why it's weird.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So they go to Casey Kasem College.
Speaker B:That's exactly what I thought too.
Speaker B:And I was like, what casem?
Speaker B:Casey.
Speaker B:They have all.
Speaker B:The only thing they teach is radio broadcast and top 40.
Speaker B:And they introduced themselves as Agent Grohl and Cobain to Janet.
Speaker A:And this is not that far from that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:Then Janet still got nothing on this.
Speaker A:Like, that rings no bells with her.
Speaker B:Well, and girl is still.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker A:Girl was still pretty recognizable name then you put it with a co.
Speaker A:Main.
Speaker A:The other thing that has happened is somehow Dean has gotten really horny this episode and is just like horn dogging for all these college girls.
Speaker A:And I thought he had grown so much.
Speaker A:Like we went through that whole last bar thing where he met.
Speaker A:He met Tina and he like, had a woman connection.
Speaker A:He didn't want to.
Speaker B:They had conversations.
Speaker A:He treated her like a human, not an object.
Speaker A:And somehow that broke him.
Speaker A:I think his brain was like, no, wait, we can't.
Speaker A:We must regress back to my old self.
Speaker B:I think I feel like he is battling it in this.
Speaker B:He's not giving in, so.
Speaker A:But he's at, like acting on it.
Speaker B:And like, very obviously.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:No, just in gross ways.
Speaker A:Like, suit, these are young ladies.
Speaker A:These are not.
Speaker B:Anyways, yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker B:So anyways, they're like, well, this is a follow up to talking to the cops.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But she's really.
Speaker B:Just doesn't want to talk to them because she has finals tomorrow, but she'll talk to them anyways.
Speaker B:And she just insists that she was drunk, but she was not hallucinating.
Speaker B:And the AC went full blast, the radio went haywire and Trini was acting weird.
Speaker B:Dean did not know what Trini was this navigation app.
Speaker B:And she calls him Gen X.
Speaker A:And then I'm offended.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then promptly misses a Christine reference.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And she's like, that truck was just hell bent on killing Billy.
Speaker B:And they're like, well, did he have any enemies?
Speaker B:And she's like, yeah, you know, he fought with his brother a lot.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:They're like, wait, what?
Speaker B:Who's his brother?
Speaker B:And she's like, oh, his brother died in Afghanistan.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:So there's.
Speaker B:Through an ied, so there's no remains here.
Speaker B:But he left the pickup to Billy.
Speaker B:So they are.
Speaker B:It's a whole thing.
Speaker B:Is the comment of the.
Speaker B:Of the day in this little section.
Speaker A:That is.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a thing.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And Sam doesn't know about the thing.
Speaker A:And then Dean's is like.
Speaker A:There's a whole country song about it.
Speaker A:It's super depressing.
Speaker A:And then they go to a junkyard.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because they're gonna find the truck because that's got smashed up and Billy died in.
Speaker B:And they see the plates and they're.
Speaker B:And they see the front seat covered in ectoplasm.
Speaker B:So now they.
Speaker B:And the EMFs go nuts.
Speaker B:So they know this is ghosty.
Speaker B:It is a ghosty death.
Speaker B:I'm also confused though, because I feel like that if he took that head first plunge, that there might be not just ectoplasm on that front seat.
Speaker B:But that's just me being gross and not knowing about things.
Speaker B:I guess.
Speaker B:Either way, Dean's like, hey, maybe, you know, he gets it because.
Speaker B:Or Dean's like, hey, I totally understand.
Speaker B:If my.
Speaker B:If I died and my brother wasn't taking care of my baby, then maybe I'd haunt them as taunt them too.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So we have seen this happen.
Speaker A:You know, we.
Speaker A:We've clearly seen Sam abuse baby before.
Speaker A:But he also says we suck.
Speaker A:You know, sunk baby up with taquitos, but he's very specific about that.
Speaker A:And then taquitos come back later.
Speaker A:So then they commit arson.
Speaker A:And nobody notices a truck on fire in the street.
Speaker A:Burning.
Speaker A:Burning.
Speaker A:Burn truck.
Speaker B:Yeah, just burn a truck.
Speaker B:Nobody.
Speaker B:Nobody cares.
Speaker B:Nobody notices.
Speaker B:No one calls 91 1.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:Totally fine.
Speaker A:It doesn't spread to any other cars.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker B:Well, it's just this truck just happened to be isolated where it was parked.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:Not that that makes sense at all.
Speaker A:I've been watching that show.
Speaker A:911 has a lot of fire jumping on things.
Speaker A:And the fire could just jump from that truck to.
Speaker A:Into the Car.
Speaker A:I mean, that's what happens.
Speaker B:I don't want fires jumping.
Speaker B:That's scary.
Speaker A:Fires jump.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker B:So at the sorority house, we have two chicks.
Speaker B:We got a blonde chick and a redhead.
Speaker B:We find out the blonde is Julie and the redhead is Delilah.
Speaker B:And they are watching tmz, but they have to stop to study, which sucks because I like tmz.
Speaker B:And then they.
Speaker A:But yeah, well, one, well, the redhead is going to library to study for art history final, which means I'm going to have nightmares about like not studying for our history final again.
Speaker A:Like, I.
Speaker A:That nightmare is going to come back.
Speaker A:So thank you for that recurring one to come.
Speaker A:But the blonde doesn't need to study because she's sleeping with the ta.
Speaker B:No, no, she just has a photographic memory.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Hashtag blessed and then hashtag slut.
Speaker B:Because I think what the hashtags we get out of them.
Speaker B:But so the blonde stays behind Julie.
Speaker A:Can you believe we're still using hashtags?
Speaker B:They said it and that's why I said it.
Speaker B:But yes, we are.
Speaker B:And so she starts taking selfies.
Speaker B:And as she stops on her.
Speaker B:On her laptop, she gets a chance.
Speaker A:Excessive duck lips too.
Speaker B:They're also just not good.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Well, they're good.
Speaker A:She doesn't have a light in front of her.
Speaker A:Like, this is also.
Speaker A: It's: Speaker A:Like, the ring light wasn't even invented yet.
Speaker B:True.
Speaker B:Or like the back or.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You can make the camera now.
Speaker B:You can make your camera light up to.
Speaker B:On your face.
Speaker B:Yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:We can't.
Speaker A:There's just so much that, you know, we just.
Speaker A:This is the before times.
Speaker B:Our selfie quality has improved significantly in the last decade.
Speaker B:The technology is there.
Speaker A:So how shitty that phone on her camera was.
Speaker B:Oh, that's totally true.
Speaker B:And then like, anyways, yeah, just the devices in general.
Speaker B:It's like, whoa.
Speaker B:I definitely had a moment where I was like, whoa.
Speaker B:They had.
Speaker B:Did we have navigation?
Speaker B:They could talk to us.
Speaker B:Then I was like, it's like 10 years ago.
Speaker B:I'm sure that.
Speaker A:Yeah, he probably still had to download that map to Trainee, like in his leg.
Speaker B:It was not yet.
Speaker B:So either way, we've got Princess Elsa, eight messages Julie and calls her a friend, then calls her a liar, and then says 8, 1 0.
Speaker B:And says, I know you'll pay.
Speaker B:And Julie's freaked the out.
Speaker B:Which, I mean, that sounds like it'd be upsetting to receive, but also she obviously knows what this means and so she deletes the chat.
Speaker B:And she turns off her computer, but it reboots.
Speaker B:She keeps getting the chat.
Speaker B:She unplugs it.
Speaker B:It keeps getting the chat.
Speaker B:Or it stops getting the chat.
Speaker B:It's just the whole screen goes to that.
Speaker B:And then the air gets cold.
Speaker B:And we all know that that's ghost time.
Speaker A:And that is 8, 10, yo.
Speaker A:8, 10, 8, 10.
Speaker A:810 all over the screen.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:I didn't.
Speaker A:I feel like someone's hyping an area code.
Speaker B:This is all like, hey, one.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Like, it definitely sounds like that.
Speaker B:And that's definitely where my brain was too.
Speaker B:Hey, what's up?
Speaker B:And she tries to run out of the room.
Speaker B:And the door locks and closes the room.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And then she hits a really freaky death power code.
Speaker B:Chord strangles her, but it acts like a snake first.
Speaker B:It's like, like it's like chasing her.
Speaker B:Like as a little like.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:That's the part that was freaky.
Speaker B:Like the choking by Chord, whatever.
Speaker B:But like acting like a snake around her.
Speaker B:Around her neck.
Speaker A:I don't want more things acting like no probes.
Speaker A:That's good.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Anyways, yeah.
Speaker B:So she did.
Speaker A:She died.
Speaker A:And we go back to the next.
Speaker A:It's the next day on campus, and Dean is just really, really horny.
Speaker A:And then they go to the sorority house.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B:The cop on duty is like.
Speaker B:By the way, the roommate, Delilah discovered her after pulling an all nighter at the library.
Speaker B:Nominee suspects.
Speaker B:And the door is locked.
Speaker B:And most girls have already left for spring break, so I don't know.
Speaker B:Shit's weird.
Speaker B:However, luckily, Delilah knows all of Julie's passwords.
Speaker B:That's interesting.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, they're roommates.
Speaker A:They probably just log into each other's all the time.
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker B:I guess.
Speaker A:I guess I like how that's like.
Speaker A:You're like upset.
Speaker A:You're just like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:The roommates would never share their.
Speaker A:Their Facebook passwords.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So EMF starts going off all over around the laptop, right?
Speaker A:So they're like, is it a ghost in the machine?
Speaker B:And they're like vengeful spirits.
Speaker B:Could it be the same ghost jumping from devices?
Speaker B:But they're not sure how that might work.
Speaker B:So they're going to talk to Delilah and ask, hey, what's up with Julie?
Speaker B:Does she have any enemies?
Speaker B:Do you all know Billy Bass?
Speaker B:And she's like, of course we know Billy.
Speaker B:He was the president of the other frat, which is Sigma Theta Delta, which is std.
Speaker B:And the STD frat.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she's like what?
Speaker A:I don't get it.
Speaker A:And she doesn't think that Julie would have known Billy's brother or have any enemies.
Speaker B:So they go to the Popular and sweet.
Speaker A:Yeah, she lit up the room.
Speaker A:So they go to the cafeteria and Dean is just very excited about all his food options.
Speaker B:He is.
Speaker B:This is a food heavy episode.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we've got the.
Speaker B:His big old play.
Speaker B:And I'm just going to say that when I went to school that was not what our food was like.
Speaker B:But I went to a very small school that did not have a lot of food options on campus.
Speaker B:So maybe that's why.
Speaker B:But it was definitely a let down compared to that.
Speaker B:That feast.
Speaker B:But anyways, so he's like, he says this is better than Vegas.
Speaker B:While Sam has jacked Julie's laptop and is going through it and no one noticed.
Speaker B:Which I think is an interesting move.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Well, there's like a fed taking it for evidence.
Speaker A:So he says walked off with her laptop and is now going through it.
Speaker B:Going through her deleted files specifically.
Speaker B:Which is distressing to Dean because apparently he didn't know you could do that.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And Sam tells him that nothing gets.
Speaker B:Deleted from the Internet.
Speaker A:And Dean, honestly most of the shit would get deleted that chat.
Speaker A:I mean if it was the aim, like AIM chat files would exist.
Speaker A:But like whatever.
Speaker A:Like this thing that he said she had.
Speaker A:I mean I don't know.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then he also has recovered it like on a tab that says trace route.
Speaker A:And I don't know what the that has to do with recovering a deleted file was that it has absolutely nothing to do anyways.
Speaker A:So we do know is that Princess Elsa is a.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they're like what's a 10?
Speaker B:And their first thought is an area code.
Speaker B:But that's southeast Michigan.
Speaker B:And that really doesn't tie into anything that they never's.
Speaker A:Like no one was that proud to be from Michigan and let's just Detroit.
Speaker A:Like I don't think.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But there are three addresses in the city they're in that have 8, 10 in them.
Speaker B:So they're going to go investigate that.
Speaker B:And as they are pulling up to a house, Sam's on the phone and he discovers that Princess Elsa, 8, was a third grader that lives in Wisconsin and was asleep at the time.
Speaker B:So definitely was a hack job I think is what they call it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the town she's from in Wisconsin is Lake Neba Gammon.
Speaker A:And it's just.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:If it was not for Cece, like having the captions on.
Speaker A:I wouldn't have known how to sell that.
Speaker A:I just had to say it because I was like, what the hell is that name?
Speaker A:That's so.
Speaker A:That's a good name.
Speaker B:That's fun.
Speaker B:So but while they're standing, while they're sitting outside in the car in baby.
Speaker B:Outside of this house, they see a woman walk out of the house with a garbage bag, walk down about half a block to a telephone pole, whatever.
Speaker B:Power pole, whatever.
Speaker B:And they're following her quite openly.
Speaker B:And there's a bunch of flowers on the ground that is clearly the sign of someone dying at that location.
Speaker B:And she starts putting these all in the trash bag.
Speaker B:So Sam and Dean approach and say, why?
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:And she's like, I'm just picking up dead, dead flowers.
Speaker A:And they're like, they're not dead.
Speaker A:And looking at them, they're clearly alive.
Speaker A:These are clearly brand new flowers you were throwing away, ladies.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she says that they are taunting her.
Speaker B:The flowers taunt her because her husband died in a car wreck there nine months ago.
Speaker B:They didn't even make it to their first anniversary.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And that's really sad.
Speaker A:And then Sam fails at asking her if she saw anything weird or disturbances because this is the first time he has ever investigated a haunting and cannot figure out how to be a better liar.
Speaker B:It's really awkward.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, that's very sad story about your husband.
Speaker B:Have you seen anything weird?
Speaker B:It's just a very awkward exchange.
Speaker B:It doesn't work.
Speaker B:And she's like, no, but there's a teenage girl from local sorority that.
Speaker B:With long red hair that leaves these flowers.
Speaker B:Okay, so Sam and Dean go back to the cafeteria because Dean can't stay away and he is leaving a voicemail.
Speaker B:And Sam has finds out the info about the fatal accident that.
Speaker A:So he says that Andrew was killed in a fatal accident.
Speaker A:Is that redundant?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:But I don't know.
Speaker B:I mean, I guess he was killed in an accident, but I mean, maybe that may.
Speaker B:I guess it could be clarifying that he died directly in the accident as opposed to post accident.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:It just seems like.
Speaker A:Yeah, but anyway, so the car burst into flames and he was.
Speaker A:He was burned beyond recognition and killed his.
Speaker B:Very sad.
Speaker B:And so now they've got to figure out the connection to Julie or Billy.
Speaker B:But also this guy was cremated.
Speaker B:So now what?
Speaker B:Well, we cut to a douchebag.
Speaker B:I didn't say douchebag.
Speaker B:Because we.
Speaker B:We'll find out in a Minute this guy's a douche.
Speaker B:So you just look at him.
Speaker A:I don't even think you just, like, just look at him and go, oh, look, this man is looking at me as he looks through Sexter.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's flipping through the dating app, quote unquote, hookup app sexter.
Speaker B:And Delilah is pacing and very upset about feds calling her because that's who Dean was leaving a voicemail for.
Speaker B:And he's not really listening.
Speaker B:She's like, look, I just want to come clean.
Speaker B:This is karma.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, this is a coincidence.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:Don't you dare do a damn thing.
Speaker B:You shut up or I'll.
Speaker B:You know, basically threatens her.
Speaker B:And so she leaves.
Speaker B:But Kyle is his name.
Speaker B:And he gets a message on the app from Screen name QT piece.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:The profile picture is a box torso with pie.
Speaker B:But yes, bot.
Speaker B:Definitely not a real woman.
Speaker A:How like is that not like?
Speaker A:And I know this is the beginning of, you know, dating apps like this, but that was not.
Speaker A:The bots were always there, honey.
Speaker A:Like, how is that not your first question?
Speaker A:Kyle, are you a human being?
Speaker A:Can you fill out this captcha puzzle for me?
Speaker B:And literally all she says to him, this is the extra second red flag is I'm bored.
Speaker B:Wanna hook up?
Speaker B:Yeah, definitely a bot.
Speaker B:Anyways, so.
Speaker A:And he's like, come over to std.
Speaker A:And she's like, guess we're using condoms.
Speaker B:Pretty funny.
Speaker B:And anyways, so the music in the background.
Speaker A:Do the guys, like, sit around?
Speaker A:Do they chant std?
Speaker A:Like, std?
Speaker B:I bet they say the Sigma Sigma Theta Delta.
Speaker B:I bet they say, yeah, well, the.
Speaker B:The stereo's on, playing pretty heavy music.
Speaker B:It's work.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Not what Kyle would listen to, but, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's work.
Speaker B:Breed consumed by Against Empire.
Speaker B:And he sees it.
Speaker B:Here's a knock at the door.
Speaker B:He goes and checks, there's no one there.
Speaker B:Some dude in a towel is like, not me, bro.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Then he gets locked in his room.
Speaker B:Stereo volume turns up real loud to the point where it, like, melts his brain.
Speaker B:He did.
Speaker A:He dies to rock and roll.
Speaker A:After the guy in the towel stops by us and tells him to lower the tunes.
Speaker A:Bra.
Speaker B:Tunes, brah.
Speaker A:So Sam is in Delilah's room with her, and I'm like, honey, why.
Speaker A:Why are you staying in this room?
Speaker A:You're like, your roommate died, like, right there.
Speaker A:She was like, that cord St.
Speaker A:Snake thing was like, right there.
Speaker A:Like, don't go get a motel or something.
Speaker A:Go stay in another room.
Speaker A:Like, all those Girls are gone for spring break.
Speaker A:I'm pretty sure there's an open not dead girl bed.
Speaker B:That's a good point.
Speaker B:That's a very good point.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyways, so Dean comes in and tells them what happened to the ass hat.
Speaker B:Death by decibel.
Speaker B:That's what he calls it.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker A:My next album.
Speaker B:It's a good one.
Speaker B:And he calls out her leaving the flowers, and she's like, no, let me just tell you.
Speaker B:I gotta tell you everything because it wasn't an accident.
Speaker B:And then we get a flashback and we get the story of what happened to Mr.
Speaker B:Andrew Silver.
Speaker B:And it is gross and sad.
Speaker A:It is a tale of distracted driving.
Speaker A:This is what happens when teenagers don't pay attention to the road.
Speaker B:Yeah, but then it gets worse because then there's choices made.
Speaker B:Anyways, but basically Billy is driving and trying to.
Speaker B:With his social media.
Speaker B:Kyle's in the front seat.
Speaker B:Julian, Delilah are in the back seat taking bad selfies again.
Speaker B:And then Julie, the dumb bitch says, I look like a hag.
Speaker B:Like I'm 25.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And then we don't feel bad.
Speaker B:Now we're not exactly.
Speaker B:Now we're not mad that she's dead.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:She had a coming.
Speaker B:This bitch, I think, is what I wrote in my notes.
Speaker B:But either way.
Speaker B:So he's with his phone and almost hits a car head on.
Speaker B:And the car swerves and it hits a pole.
Speaker B:So this is our Mr.
Speaker B:Andrew Silver.
Speaker B:They were going to hit him head on, so he had to swerve and instead he hit a pole.
Speaker B:But he's not dead.
Speaker B:He is just bloodied up, his car's beat up.
Speaker B:And he's looking at them because they have come to a stop.
Speaker B:And Delilah's like, hey, Billy, you gotta call my 1 1.
Speaker B:Oh, my God, we got to call 91 1.
Speaker B:What the fuck?
Speaker B:And everybody kind of pauses.
Speaker B:Nobody dials 91 1.
Speaker B:Also, she could have dialed 911 in the amount of time she said this, but whatever.
Speaker B:And then a power line falls on the car and sparks and it catches the car on fire.
Speaker B:And so she's so.
Speaker B:And Andrew's trapped.
Speaker B:His door won't open.
Speaker B:And they speed away while Delilah is still like, reach out, call for help.
Speaker B:And she doesn't call for help.
Speaker B:She just keeps saying that.
Speaker B:And they drive away.
Speaker B:And he says, nope, we've got to get out of here.
Speaker B:We can't.
Speaker B:You will not call the cops.
Speaker B:I have a DUI already and driving with a suspended license.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna go to Jail.
Speaker B:Somebody else will call the cops.
Speaker B:And then we're.
Speaker B:Y'all just bail you out, Billy.
Speaker A:So Julie is.
Speaker A:And then like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Julie's just like, it's not our problem.
Speaker A:Someone else will call.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So they hit and run is what was.
Speaker A:What is that happening?
Speaker A:So this is why Andrew's all pissed.
Speaker A:And so then Sam's like, I'm gonna make a really small, uncomfortable circle around the chair for you just because you.
Speaker A:You deserve it.
Speaker B:Of salt.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And because now we know this is the vengeful spirit of Andrew Silver that is coming to get all of you shitbag kids.
Speaker B:And she's like.
Speaker B:And she.
Speaker B:And they're like, we do this all the time.
Speaker B:And she says, like Ghostbusters.
Speaker B:So they're trying to figure out how he's traveling still, though, because could it be the power lines and Sam's life.
Speaker A:It might be a shocker situation.
Speaker A:And then my mind went real dirty and.
Speaker A:But that wouldn't work for the truck, right?
Speaker A:Because they're using the power lines, right?
Speaker A:So Sam's gonna go back to the incident.
Speaker A:The incident side.
Speaker A:It's gonna.
Speaker A:The incident site.
Speaker B:Incident side.
Speaker B:And Dean's gonna stay with Delilah with a crowbar because that's what they were doing.
Speaker B:And he hands her one.
Speaker B:She's, like, crying, and he, like, just hands her one tissue.
Speaker B:It's just really kind of funny.
Speaker B:But she also says that she's not tired at all this, so.
Speaker B:Because she's been studying all night to avoid the nightmares of this from this event.
Speaker A:And she's in college in here.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:And she's in college, and she has an Adderall prescription.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker B:She thinks about Andrew all the time, even though they never met, and how that's sad.
Speaker B:Sam gets to the pole where the death occurred and looks at the power lines, and it sees his.
Speaker B:And he's noticing, like, the different lines and boxes on the cables.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:And he sees his breath, and it's kind of.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:But Dean's saying that he can relate to Delilah.
Speaker B:He's made mistakes that haunt him, too.
Speaker B:And she asks how he deals, and his response is, whiskey denial and do my best to make things right.
Speaker B:Just, I guess, a decent combination.
Speaker A:I mean, the denial and the whiskey.
Speaker A:Probably not the best part, right?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But he's like, you know, for you, though, like, maybe you should be coming queen.
Speaker A:And by that, I mean, don't just be a.
Speaker A:And leave flowers.
Speaker A:Like, you actually have to deal with.
Speaker B:Your problems and ask for Forgiveness.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam calls Dean and is like, by the way, it's not the power.
Speaker B:It's the WI fi.
Speaker B:It's the WI fi because there is a local WI FI signal there being from being used by the Trini thing by the computer and death by stereo.
Speaker B:He says it, yay.
Speaker B:Which is not only is that a band, it's also a quote from Lost Boys anyways.
Speaker B:Because they were wireless speakers.
Speaker B:So Sam's like, dean, you gotta get.
Speaker B:Keep Delilah safe and turn off all the routers.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Sam was just like, you know, it makes sense because we're just electrical impulses, right?
Speaker A:And Dean asked him, you know, can we kill the Internet?
Speaker A:And he's like, wait, wait, can we?
Speaker A:And Sam's like, no.
Speaker A:And I'm like, a liar.
Speaker A:That's a WI FI tower.
Speaker A:Like, a WI FI tower is transmitting a signal that comes from an actual Internet.
Speaker A:Like, it's not just magic things that are coming out of the air.
Speaker A:Like, there was another tower next to it that is, like, hardwired.
Speaker A:Like, just go kill that.
Speaker A:And you can kill the fucking Internet.
Speaker A:But also you can just, you know, unplug it, which is generally what you do in incident response.
Speaker A:And so my incident response mode is kicking in.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So we're going to talk about what happens during a hack, and we're going to talk about a.
Speaker A: A hack that happened in: Speaker B:So that's our lore.
Speaker B:Ooh.
Speaker A:Y foreign.
Speaker A:I had some flashbacks.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A: In August: Speaker A:And they said for the past 36 hours, they had access to the security camera company Verkata.
Speaker A:And we're able to watch the feeds of more than 150,000 clients, including hospitals, prisons, police departments, schools, factories, bars, warehouses.
Speaker A:Like, so much shit.
Speaker A:And they're like, why?
Speaker A:To show the world how much surveillance it was under and how easy it was to take control of that surveillance.
Speaker A:They sent receipts for this too.
Speaker A:So Bloomberg watched a video of a patient in a Florida hospital being tackled by staffers.
Speaker A:They saw workers on an assembly line in a Tesla warehouse in Shanghai.
Speaker A:Then a Massachusetts police station interrogation.
Speaker A:The spokesperson for Arson Katz, then going by Tilly Cotman, said, they gotten root on these cameras, but they didn't have to be super sophisticated to get there.
Speaker A:It was a feature available on the camera, which they were easily able to get access to after they found the credentials for a super admin account on the Internet.
Speaker A:Internet.
Speaker A:They Told Bloomberg that they saw into multiple locations at the gym, Equinox, the ICU of a hospital in Texarkana and security cameras of a hospital in Arizona that access to cameras and cloud flare offices.
Speaker A:And they said the hack exposes just how broadly.
Speaker A:Sorry, they also have a.
Speaker A:They're from Switzerland and I'm not going to do that accent.
Speaker A:Spare that one.
Speaker A:So the hack exposes just how broadly we're being surveilled because this is.
Speaker A:The actual attacker is calling the news news to tell them, I've just done this.
Speaker A:Right, Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so this is why they said we're doing it, because we want to expose just how broadly we're being surveilled and how little care is put into at least securing the platforms used to do so, pursuing nothing but profit.
Speaker A:It's just how wild how I can just see the things we always knew were happening, but we never got to see.
Speaker A:They said they got the Verkata customer list and the balance sheet, which held assets and liabilities.
Speaker A:They found videos from the 17 cameras inside Arizona's Graham County Detention center, which the staff had given titles like Roundhouse Kick, Oopsie, Autumn Bumps His Own Head, which was from the Drunk tank, and Stare Off, Don't Blink, all things you probably shouldn't be writing on your work computers.
Speaker A:So, yeah, after Bloomberg reached out to Verkata, the attackers lost their access as Ricotta disabled all those administrative accounts.
Speaker A:But what is done cannot be undone.
Speaker A:And soon the videos and the customer info would be all over Twitter.
Speaker A:All the tweets associated with the hack contained the.
Speaker A:Speaking of hashtags, Hashtag Operation Panopticon, which is a reference of a Panopticon, which is a prison architecture that basically allows the supervisors to have full view of the inmates.
Speaker A:So, like, they can always.
Speaker A:So basically you're always being watched.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:It's also a goth call club in Dallas.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I also think that's how the Dallas jail is.
Speaker A:So I think.
Speaker A:I believe the Dallas.
Speaker A:The main Dallas jail is a Panopticon.
Speaker A:I can't very.
Speaker A:But I think I've seen that on some of their.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The Bad Jail videos I watch.
Speaker A:Anyways, so there would be fallouts and indictments and fines, but with the right lessons be learned.
Speaker A:And I'm so sorry for my.
Speaker A:All my IR peeps for that joke.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:They know why that's bad.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:All right, so first off, who is Ricotta?
Speaker A:So Verkata is a.
Speaker A:Do you remember this.
Speaker A:This at all?
Speaker A: This is: Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So they are a physical security company mainly known for enterprise video security.
Speaker A:They were founded in California by Stanford Tech Bros.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:Their cameras are like, are also really big on facial recognition.
Speaker A:They can do not only facial recognition, they can recognize people by like gender, clothes, other attributes.
Speaker A:Not all their cameras use that, but that's just something kind of keep in mind of like, you know, the badness of this place.
Speaker A:So Covid was really good for this company as companies wanted to monitor everything remotely.
Speaker A:And they also offered these free surveillance kits is what they called them to businesses and healthcare institutions so they could help to remotely monitor high risk locations.
Speaker A:It added features to let customer detect when crowds are forming and to identify high traffic areas, areas that might need more cleaning.
Speaker A:So the feature was called People heat maps and was meant for social distancing.
Speaker A:But so I'm just, I'm just saying, you know, you use your own mind about what that can be used for.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:They also created a line of environmental sensors for companies including things like detecting vaping.
Speaker A:So like lots of schools use them to be like, see if some people are vaping in the bathroom.
Speaker A:Were in the classroom.
Speaker A:Because apparently kids just vape in their classrooms now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:They were quoted as saying they hired sales athletes to make the culture really fun for sales, resulting in a clique of dudes from the wealthy Bear area suburb of Danville who was apparently called the Danville Crew.
Speaker A:And they can get away with anything.
Speaker A:They create a Slack channel called hashtag Rob Verkata dogs and use company facial recognition software to capture pics of female employees and then denigrate them in the channel.
Speaker A:According to Vice Verkada CEO sent an email saying that, quote, a member of our sales team misused access to our office camera footage, access that everyone in our team is afforded and that the sales team uses frequently to demo the product for potential clients.
Speaker A:And shared a screenshot of a co worker on a private Slack channel channel with vulgar commentary.
Speaker A:Ricotta CEO said 10 employees are part of the channel and then no one was fired.
Speaker A:But they did have their stock reduced.
Speaker A:The company also made everyone take sexual harassment training over zoom and establish support groups.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:That's our company for Cotta and so they, they're great.
Speaker A:So I mean, what a company that does massive surveillance or automatically they're not probably going in the great.
Speaker B:Is this when we.
Speaker B:Is this when we got all the reports saying that Juggalo makeup was not able to be read by facial recognition.
Speaker B:Is that what I.
Speaker B:I think that was around this time I started seeing that claim floated.
Speaker B:We all become Juglos.
Speaker B:Go ahead.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But I think that's also been proven to not be true.
Speaker A:But let's try it.
Speaker A:Let's see what happens.
Speaker A:Let's go rob Big Justice Juggalos and see if they recognize us.
Speaker A:You can't see me.
Speaker B:Facial recognition doesn't work.
Speaker A:You can't see.
Speaker A:All right, so let's talk about our other protagonist in the story.
Speaker A:So that is going to be Maya Arson Crime.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:So formerly known as Tilly Cotman, but also by the handles, Deletescape, Tilly Cry Mew, and now her official name, which is she changed it to this is Maya Arson Crime.
Speaker A:You Cry Mew is a portmanteau of the words crime and mew as in the onomatopoeia of a cat cry, which I do kind of love, but it's pretty good.
Speaker A:It's all stylized in lowercase, which it was really frustrating at your typing.
Speaker A:And she was also born and lives in Lucerne, Switzerland, which is a lovely, gorgeous place.
Speaker A:It's stupid nature.
Speaker A:Gorgeous.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker B:So she just sits out looking at pretty nature.
Speaker B:Hacking with a silly name.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:And she was born also.
Speaker A: She was born in: Speaker B:I don't want to talk about that.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A: eloping apps as a teenager in: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A: already ahead of the game in: Speaker B:When I was a teenager.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Apps did not exist when I was a teenager.
Speaker A:I could, however, make a dot matrix computer print out a picture of a flower, and that took me like seven hours to code.
Speaker A: So anyhow, in: Speaker A:This is just all she was just been collecting that she's like, I just found all this stuff exposed.
Speaker A:You should fix this.
Speaker A:This was followed by leaks for intel that she claims to have gotten from another hacker that she was just posting for them there.
Speaker A:Also, she may or may not have involved in the Nintendo hack.
Speaker A: posted leaks about Nissan in: Speaker A:Those are our main characters.
Speaker A:So the Hack.
Speaker A:Seriously, it was just stupid.
Speaker A:Easy.
Speaker A:Verkata exposed development system to the Internet that contained hard coded credentials for an account with super admin rights.
Speaker A:When speaking with cbs, Crymu told them we do scans for very broad sectors looking for vulnerabilities.
Speaker A:This was easy.
Speaker A:We simply used their web app the way any user would, except we had the ability to switch to any user account we desired.
Speaker A:We did not access any server.
Speaker A:We simply logged into the web UI with a highly privileged user account and.
Speaker A:And they also made it clear they weren't motivated by money.
Speaker A:Apt69 4:20 that's a joke by the way, because all the.
Speaker A:The hacking, hacking activist groups get called apt Advanced Persistent Threats and they get numbers on them and Mandian has different numbers, blah blah blah.
Speaker A:So they made up their own.
Speaker A:So they're 69, 420.
Speaker A:Apt 69.
Speaker A:Of course.
Speaker A: So apt: Speaker A:So this super admin account that they found was reported to be used by product and engineering teams along with company executives to view footage for troubleshooting and improvement purposes.
Speaker A:But the customers were not made aware that they had access to this.
Speaker B:Oh, that's a problem.
Speaker A:Yeah, problematic.
Speaker A:Bloomberg reported over 100 employees had access to this account.
Speaker A:And sources told IPVM we literally had 20 year old interns that had access to over 100,000 cameras and can view all of their feeds globally.
Speaker A:And quote, leadership at Verkata give zero shits about security.
Speaker A:They are talking points for sales, but none of it is actually real.
Speaker A:The approach is just to win the deal and do the bare minimum.
Speaker A:I think Hans co founder thought it wasn't necessary and that the company would generate money without strict security infrastructure.
Speaker A:So why spend engineering engineering resources on it?
Speaker A:To him, the breach of customer privacy was a nuisance and nothing more.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker B:Yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker B:I remember some of this now, more of it now.
Speaker B:I mean generally, but like that part I was like, oh, that's right.
Speaker B:And they just didn't give a fuck.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Verkata was informed of the breach of March 9th.
Speaker A:So cry Mew calls Bloomberg tells them I have been, I've had access to this for the past two years, days.
Speaker A:This is all the stuff is the things.
Speaker A:Here are my.
Speaker A:The things I take in.
Speaker A:Look at them.
Speaker B:Blah blah blah, here's my credentials.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Bloomberg then calls for Kata to be like, hey, we're getting you calling to confirm this.
Speaker A:And they're like what?
Speaker A:And they're like oh, oops.
Speaker A:Okay, so they, they brought in the lawyers, Perkins, Coy and who brought in the forensic investigation firm Mandy, that I may or may not have worked for.
Speaker A:Not at this time.
Speaker A:I did, I did check the dates.
Speaker A:I was not.
Speaker A:I was not working for them at this time.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So after the investigation for Cotta issued a security incident report.
Speaker A:I'm so glad I didn't have to write this for them.
Speaker A:Comprise.
Speaker A:So the attacker compromised Verkata's platform and access customer data included video for a subset of Verkata customers.
Speaker B:Customers.
Speaker A:In all, 97 customers had their cameras access and video or image data viewed.
Speaker A:Eight of these customers had access control product data access, including badge credentials.
Speaker A:They, they, they do like RFD badges and stuff.
Speaker B:Like the door badges.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Separately, eight customers had their wi fi credentials accessed.
Speaker A:No cameras reviewed for more than 90 minutes.
Speaker A:And in the worst case estimate, cameras reviewed for an average of 11 minutes and a medium time of 4 minutes.
Speaker A:It is not known exactly how much live video was accessed due to limited information in log files.
Speaker A:The attackers created six video archives on the Verkato platform and access 87 video archives.
Speaker A:15 people.
Speaker A:Analytic searches for images of persons were performed in five organizations.
Speaker A:Those are facial rec, I believe.
Speaker A:And the search results in four of those organizations may have returned blah, blah, blah with.
Speaker A:So that's pretty much it though, right?
Speaker A:And so they revoked her credentials, the world's dumbest credentials that ever existed.
Speaker A:And their access was revoked.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So hack is done.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So but as soon as the access was revoked, that's when they started dumping everything on Twitter.
Speaker A:Eventually, you know, those Twitter takes down her.
Speaker A:She gets disabled for.
Speaker A:Because it's, it's bad.
Speaker A:It's probably not anymore, but at one point it was a leak, you know, it was against Twitter's code of conduct to point to point hack to post hacks on there.
Speaker A:I'm sure it's fine now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, you know, you never know.
Speaker A:So when her, when she got taken down, then somebody else like picked up her stuff and like posted over there.
Speaker A:So like the stuff is still out there.
Speaker A:It's like Dean learns, you know, stuff cannot be deleted from the Internet.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A: So on March: Speaker A:Because she, she, she.
Speaker A:Hi, it's me.
Speaker A:I hacked them.
Speaker A:Hello.
Speaker A:Me and my group, Arson Cats.
Speaker A:Meow.
Speaker A:And look at that.
Speaker A:That's also.
Speaker A:She also named themselves.
Speaker A:So if you're going to name yourself, name yourself Arson Cats.
Speaker A: allegedly carried out between: Speaker A:So the feds went after them for a bunch of stuff including illegally accessing computers belonging to a security device manufacturer located in the Western District of Washington and stealing proprietary data, improperly using the credentials of employee of a manufacturer, tactical equipment of tactical equipment and access a manufacturer source code databases.
Speaker A:Hacked a Washington state agency and a US government contractor and stole source code related to various web applications.
Speaker A:Attacked an automobile manufacturer and a financial investment company.
Speaker A:And my favorite charge, obtained financial benefit by designing and selling clothing and paraphernalia related to computer hacking activity and anti intellectual property ideology.
Speaker A:You know, merch.
Speaker A:She got charged for merch.
Speaker A:For making hacking merch.
Speaker A:And it was.
Speaker A:I was very sad.
Speaker A:The merch store is down and I really wanted to see what the merch was, what it was offered and I cannot find it.
Speaker B:I bet I'm not love cats.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:I bet it does like her.
Speaker A:Okay, so her web page, which is like.
Speaker A:It was like crime you dot gay or something like that.
Speaker A:It was so great.
Speaker A:It is just like.
Speaker A:It's bright pink and like it's where her blogs are and it has little nine cats that runs all over it.
Speaker A:It's just, it's.
Speaker A:It's just delightful.
Speaker A:She's also a DJ and like she's just.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I like crime.
Speaker A:You so cry me.
Speaker A:His apartment and her parents home were searched and several devices were confiscated.
Speaker A:Again, Lucerne.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So she is IND the Western District of Washington, but she's in Switzerland.
Speaker A:So loose Aaron's police work with the feds and they go and they search her apartment and they search her parents house.
Speaker A:They confiscate several devices.
Speaker A:The people start rallying behind her.
Speaker A:What's the hashtag?
Speaker A:The hashtag is.
Speaker B:Oh no, I don't know.
Speaker A:Okay, so.
Speaker A:But before she changed her name, it was Tilly Hawk.
Speaker A:Her name was Free Chili Fruit.
Speaker A:I liked it.
Speaker A:So the proceedings of the indictment were suspended as I didn't want to do the case without crime.
Speaker A:You being present and being represented by a lawyer.
Speaker A:Her lawyer Roman Co says that Swiss extradition law does not allow extradition of citizens without their consent.
Speaker A:So we like that's our extradition treaty with them.
Speaker A:Which I think is.
Speaker A:So I guess why would I consent to that?
Speaker B:I know it's weird.
Speaker A:Who says yes?
Speaker B:So I mean I guess the argument is that you're.
Speaker B:You can't leave Switzerland then probably though, right?
Speaker B:It limits your.
Speaker B:Your movements.
Speaker B:If you don't want to leave Switzerland then.
Speaker A:But you could also be tried in Switzerland.
Speaker A:So that is if you, you will say, I won't go to the US you can be tried if there's enough, sufficient suspicion and evidence, they can be found and tried in Switzerland.
Speaker A:And if she was tried in Switzerland, she would face a maximum of four and a half years prison.
Speaker A:And I'm also betting a Switzerland prison's probably choice.
Speaker A:I probably wouldn't go hang out in one.
Speaker A:Like, I'm pretty sure that it's not.
Speaker B:Can I go on?
Speaker B:Can I just like, rent a room?
Speaker A:Yeah, I, I could use a vacation.
Speaker A: All right, so in September: Speaker A:41 that she was certain she would never be able to travel, travel to certain countries again, and that even if she was able to travel in the future, it would be risky because of the possibility of extradition from other countries.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she just continues on with her life, DJing doing in her thing.
Speaker A: And in: Speaker A:This really, you know, airplane is doing terrible security.
Speaker A:But she announced the news with her Pokemon Pokemon plushies spaghetti veto.
Speaker A:And that just created instant meme.
Speaker A:So it's just like this Pokemon, like exposing like all of like, you know, this is the no flight list.
Speaker A:So that's fun.
Speaker B:I remember that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she also worked with journalist Ryan Fay to unveil the true identity of one of the alleged Elon Musk alternative accounts.
Speaker A:And there was a huge kerfuffle about that.
Speaker A:But overall, she just seems to be living her her best life with little pink blogs and stuff.
Speaker A:Now, Verkata, well, they're still a company and after a $200 million Series E, they were valued at $4.5 billion.
Speaker A:But, you know, at least they got a slap on the wrist for this.
Speaker A:They agreed with a $2.95 million settlement with the FTC.
Speaker A:They refused to call it a fine.
Speaker A:They call it a settlement.
Speaker A:And after this, FTC found that they failed to use basic security measures like complex passwords and encryption to protect customers personal and sensitive data.
Speaker A:Misrepresented how secure the product was with reviews submitted by investors.
Speaker A:By claiming to use best in class data security tools and best practices to protect customer data, Verkata was deceptive and did not represent the truth.
Speaker A:Verkada's claims about its products being compliant with HIPAA and the EU US with US Privacy issue frameworks were also false and misleading.
Speaker A:And they violated the can Spam act by flooding prospective customers with a barrage of commercial emails and in failing to include the option to unsubscribe or opt out or to honor opt out requests and provide a physical postal address in the emails.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker A:But honestly, like I think that's so.
Speaker B:On top of this burning bad business, you also have bad advertising practices.
Speaker A:Yeah, they.
Speaker A:They seriously went hard after them for marketing.
Speaker A:And then also just in like there were other security incidents that happened over the past couple years too that they brought up in this case.
Speaker A:It wasn't just this exposure.
Speaker A:This is in general like you're com.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker A:This just sucks.
Speaker A:All right, so in addition to the settlement, Verkata must develop and implement a comprehensive security program according to which its own I.
Speaker A:Its own IT team, independent third parties will conduct regular security assessments, implement and test safeguards, and organize employee training on data security.
Speaker A:I am so fucking glad that's.
Speaker A:I don't have to do this.
Speaker A:This is not my job to go to this fucking company and train them or how to do the or to do their assessments or to write the reports or any of this shit.
Speaker A:I'm so glad I don't have to do this bullshit anymore.
Speaker A:Also, for the next 20 years, every cybersecurity incident at Verkata must be reported to the FTC within 10 days.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker A:Which is then that's all becomes a very a frustrating thing and as an response land because when does.
Speaker A:When does like the security incident start?
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Is it?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So Samuel Levine, director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection, was quoted in Security InfoWatch.com as saying when customers invite companies into private spaces to monitor consumers by using their security cameras and other other products, they expect those companies to provide basic levels of security, which for Carter failed to do.
Speaker A:Companies that failed to secure and protect customer data can expect to be held responsible.
Speaker A:The settlement underscores the importance of robust data security measures, especially for companies that are themselves in the security interest industry.
Speaker A:Failure to protect sensitive information puts consumers at risk, said Brian M.
Speaker A:Boynton, Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General of the Department of Justice's Civil Division.
Speaker A:We will continue to work with the FTC to hold companies accountable for such violations.
Speaker A:Wait, none of those work there anymore.
Speaker A:But last year they were going to be held.
Speaker A:So we got something.
Speaker A:Verkata though then just said we don't agree with the FTC's allegations, but we are just settling this to move forward.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And so if you go on the website, it's all we're so secure wild and I know They've changed things, right?
Speaker A:They've.
Speaker A:Obviously, you can't.
Speaker A:You can't have that.
Speaker A:You literally cannot have have that.
Speaker A:You know, but it's not surprising.
Speaker A:They exposed that to the Internet.
Speaker A:And, you know, day in the life of incident response, it was never something really.
Speaker A:It's, you know, sophisticated.
Speaker A:Some dumbass left their password on the Internet, and someone picked it up and went, look.
Speaker A:Look at all your stuff.
Speaker A:It's on the Internet.
Speaker A:Fix it.
Speaker A:It's not a problem.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Wild.
Speaker A:Isn't that crazy?
Speaker A:But that was also just.
Speaker A:That was only four years ago.
Speaker A:It seems like a lifetime ago.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker A:The ghost is in the machine and it's watching you pee.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:Just like.
Speaker A:Yeah, it is.
Speaker B:No, wait.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:I don't want damn pervy ghost watching me pee.
Speaker B:SM perv ghost.
Speaker A:So we're gonna go back to our.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A: This past of: Speaker A:Like, well, he would know what the A router is.
Speaker A:And she doesn't have a clue.
Speaker A:She's like, oh.
Speaker B:But right at that time, the power flickers, it gets cold, and we've got dead dude's face on every monitor.
Speaker B:And there is a lot of monitors in this room.
Speaker A:Well, I think about, like, this is.
Speaker A: Again, this is: Speaker A:This is pre app time.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So like, and also pre IoT Internet of Things thing be.
Speaker A:You know, like, now I have, like, 70 things connected to my Internet at one time, right?
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I guess because it was.
Speaker B:I think my oven is like, what the.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Your oven needs to tell Russia how much you're baking.
Speaker A:So, yes, it's all.
Speaker A:We live in a very stupid timeline.
Speaker A:We've all agreed to that.
Speaker A:But, yeah, so there's even.
Speaker A:But even in this time, like, there was still so much that was on this WI fi.
Speaker B:Yeah, so much.
Speaker B:So much.
Speaker B:So Dan's just smashing everything, though.
Speaker A:He's also smashing things on a bed, which seems really hard.
Speaker A:Like, floor man.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Especially you.
Speaker A:But also, I feel like this is a really good thing.
Speaker A:This is incident response, right?
Speaker A:Like, this is what you do.
Speaker A:Disconnect it from the Internet.
Speaker A:So smash it.
Speaker B:That's one way to do it.
Speaker A:Now that I normally get paid for this.
Speaker A:Smash it.
Speaker A:Set on fire.
Speaker A:That's honestly what we were all saying behind your backs.
Speaker A:That is honestly, whatever.
Speaker A:We told you to burn it all down.
Speaker A:That's what everybody said behind your back.
Speaker A:Customer.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Anyways, so Sam then goes to knock on Mrs.
Speaker A:Silver Store to tell her that her dead husband is Killing people through the app store.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she's like.
Speaker B:But she already knows.
Speaker B:She knows something's up.
Speaker B:And so she left.
Speaker A:Which is much less awkward than you thought.
Speaker A:You know, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, he thought this was gonna be a very awkward conversation.
Speaker B:She's like, no, no, I know it.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:And so Dean and right.
Speaker B:Are running to the basement because that is the only place in the house with no WI fi.
Speaker B:Apparently it's got a really bad connection and this dude's face on every screen when every time they walk by a room and they get to the basement and he's spreading salt because he thinks it'll work again because there's no WI fi signal there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Good try.
Speaker A:I mean, you might as well, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Corey Silver, the wife, is sharing that Andrew started contacting her online shortly after his death.
Speaker B:At first she thought it was a prank, but he knew a lot about her, and she had her husband back, even if it was just online.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is sad.
Speaker B:And it is.
Speaker B:And that she knew it was a ghost, but she didn't care.
Speaker B:It was romantic.
Speaker B:He would write love notes.
Speaker B:But then he started getting weird, and he would disappear, and then he would ghost her.
Speaker B:He would ghost her.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:But he became focused on revenge.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And she thought that was weird and strange.
Speaker A:Much stranger than her dead husband talking to her over email.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:That wasn't the problem.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker A:That was a thing she had a problem with.
Speaker A:It was a revenge talk that really made her kind of question things.
Speaker A:Things.
Speaker A:And then she also thought that the coeds, like, that that could be Andrew.
Speaker B:But, you know, started dying.
Speaker B:Yeah, that could be him.
Speaker B:Weird.
Speaker B:But I didn't know to do.
Speaker B:I know what to do, and I didn't want to admit it.
Speaker B:So there we go.
Speaker B:Revenge brought him back, and she didn't.
Speaker A:Want him to go away.
Speaker B:So Dean is telling Delilah to calm the down.
Speaker B:And then he hears a phone vibrating.
Speaker B:And because somehow someone's tucked a phone into the cushions on the sofa and it's vibrating, but it's vibrating in a room that's not supposed to have.
Speaker B:Have a signal.
Speaker B:So that's annoying.
Speaker B:But apparently it does.
Speaker B:So Andrew's ghost appears, and I ghost it.
Speaker B:Totally jump.
Speaker B:Scares me.
Speaker B:Oh, mad.
Speaker B:So Dean gets smacked away, and Delilah is trying to apologize and say that she swears that she would do the right thing if she had was did it all over again.
Speaker B:But before Andrew ghost.
Speaker B:Andrew can do anything.
Speaker B:Dean hits it with a crowbar and he poofs.
Speaker B:He does a little dissolve thing temporarily, but they're now locked into the basement so they can't leave.
Speaker B:So Dean is going to try to reason with Andrew while texting 911 to Sam.
Speaker B:So he's trying to talk about how blood fuels the rage.
Speaker B:And you need to choose if you can continue as you are or you can choose peace.
Speaker B:So your choice is pain or peace.
Speaker B:Pain or peace.
Speaker A:That's also.
Speaker A:That also sounds like a metal song.
Speaker B:It does.
Speaker B:I feel like that this is like Hate Breeds album in what year?
Speaker B:Anyways, Andrew appears again.
Speaker B:But he wants pain.
Speaker B:He wants.
Speaker B:He was choosing pain.
Speaker B:He is choking the out of Dean.
Speaker B:And yeah, it is not great.
Speaker B:But we hear Corey's voice because Delilah has the phone and it's.
Speaker B:I guess, do we have FaceTime then.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:I mean, it could be a Skype.
Speaker B:I guess Skype or early FaceTime.
Speaker B:And it's Corey talking to Andrew, asking him to stop saying, revenge is hollow.
Speaker B:It's not going to bring you back.
Speaker B:I couldn't let you go.
Speaker B:But it's time.
Speaker B:And she says goodbye to do it for her.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Delilah wants to know if he can keep the signal in the basement, like, coming through.
Speaker A:Like, after he dies.
Speaker A:He's like.
Speaker A:She's like, we can get video calls down here.
Speaker A:Like, man, I couldn't even get a text message before.
Speaker B:But she says.
Speaker B:But when Corey says goodbye to Andrew, he does the.
Speaker B:Not a.
Speaker B:Not a attacked with a crowbar poof out.
Speaker B:But like the good ghost disappear.
Speaker B:Poof out.
Speaker A:He gets sucked off.
Speaker B:He does get sucked.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:He glows away.
Speaker A:So he glows away.
Speaker A:And then Sam and Dean take Delilah to Corey's house because she's put her big girl panties on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Corey actually invites her in.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker A:Yeah, she does not punch her out, surprisingly.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Andrew apparently has chosen peace.
Speaker B:So Dean says he is going to do that too.
Speaker B:He says, my piece is helping people and working cases.
Speaker B:I'm done trying to find a cure for the mark.
Speaker B:I don't think we're going to find.
Speaker B:I want to just do what I do and not obsess.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, no, we can't stop fighting.
Speaker B:We gotta find the cure.
Speaker B:Nothing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:In a serious voice, Sam says, you can't just stop fighting.
Speaker A:One thing I did forget, it is a 10th anniversary anniversary of Jared's Always keep fighting campaign.
Speaker A:And so they're doing special merch for that on.
Speaker A:On stands.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Which is the Always keep fighting.
Speaker A:Which is.
Speaker A:Which is interesting.
Speaker A:He says, you just can't stop fighting in here.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But Dean's just like, of course you can stop fighting.
Speaker B:Well, he's like, I'm not giving up.
Speaker B:I'm just not gonna be like, I'm not just gonna be out there searching for it.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's, you know, I've got a.
Speaker B:I will fight.
Speaker B:Fight it till I can't.
Speaker B:As far as fighting the mark and I know I just have to know where I.
Speaker B:Where I stand.
Speaker B:So I know where I stand is saving people.
Speaker B:And that's what I want to do.
Speaker B:I want to help people.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And Sam was concerned.
Speaker B:Go down, swing.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And they drive off.
Speaker A:I'm real concerned.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So our cast casting couch is the casting couch.
Speaker A:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker B:This episode is Delilah was played by Willa Milner, who went by Ally Milner at the time of work of this episode.
Speaker B:She was Liz in the movie if I Stay and she's been in a few Hallmark things and done some voice work for a My Little Pony series.
Speaker B:Corey Silver was played by Barbara Kotmire.
Speaker B:She has been in episodes of Smallville, Fringe and Hellcats.
Speaker B:She was the hot young lady in Sandlot two, beautiful girl in John Tucker Must Die, Centaur girl in Trick or Treat and played did a voice of a character named Leanda in a cartoon series called Supernatural Academy.
Speaker B:And I thought that was fun.
Speaker B:Billy was played by Madison Ryan Smith.
Speaker B:He's been in episodes of Chilling Adventures of Sabrina Riverdale a couple times in the order a couple times.
Speaker B:He was Davidson Chupacabra versus the Alamo and has done a lot lot of Hallmark work.
Speaker B:Julie was played by Debs Howard.
Speaker B:She's been in a couple episodes of iZombie X Files, Lucifer good Dr.
Speaker B:Travelers.
Speaker B:She was the new girlfriend in the Sonic the Hedgehog movie a couple years ago.
Speaker B:And then she's done a lot of Hallmark work as well.
Speaker B:It's a very Hallmark heavy cast this time and then which I watch a lot of homework.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:Not a bad thing.
Speaker B:Andrew Silver was played by Jeremy Thorson in episodes of Wayward Pines Zoo and Man in the High Castle.
Speaker B:Our detective who was in this very briefly, Petronczyk was played by Jacqueline Samuda, but an episode her career goes back to being in TNT the Mr.
Speaker B:T series, but also in Bionic Woman, Smallville Arrow, Virgin river and School Spirits as well as a lot of Hallmark appearances.
Speaker B:And then School Spirits is a newer series on Netflix.
Speaker B:Of note, Janet was played by Maddie Phillips, but in episodes of Izombie, Lucifer.
Speaker B:She's a handful of Ghost wars episodes, a couple of Van Helsing episodes, a couple episodes of the Boys and is Kate in Gen V series.
Speaker B:So there was a couple really relevant ones I want to make sure to.
Speaker B:When's the new one, too?
Speaker B:No, I'm like.
Speaker A:Because remember the.
Speaker A:The main.
Speaker A:Main dude passed away.
Speaker A:The motorcycle accident.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So I got distracted.
Speaker A:I haven't thought about Gen V in a while.
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker A:All right, so cool, cool, cool on the cast.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So did you think.
Speaker B:I enjoyed the episode?
Speaker B:In a lot of ways, except for the fact that most of these characters are not super likable.
Speaker A:So you don't really care that they're dying?
Speaker B:No, it's like, I mean, you feel like.
Speaker B:I mean, like, I kind of wish death on people.
Speaker B:I mean, but it's like, I'm not like, oh, this poor innocent person.
Speaker B:Terrible.
Speaker A:Well, we don't always have to like our victims, and we don't always like them on the show.
Speaker A:There's, you know, been quite a.
Speaker A:Quite a few of them.
Speaker B:I'm just saying that, like.
Speaker B:I'm not saying I don't feel bad for them.
Speaker B:I'm not saying that, like.
Speaker B:Like, I'm like, oh, no, it's kind of a.
Speaker B:I wasn't.
Speaker A:I was not shedding any tears.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, like, Delilah was probably the least bad, so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she was, you know, very flawed and.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think there's certain things, like, I don't understand what's up with Horny Dean.
Speaker A:Why did they have to bring that back?
Speaker A:Like, it just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker B:I just also feel like it would be weird to put Dean on a college campus and him not do anything gross.
Speaker A:But he's been on college campuses before.
Speaker A:You remember, like, we had the one where he was doing shots with him and he'll say things, but, like, it went like.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I just think it was extreme.
Speaker B:I just thought the two look, like, where he looked real hard.
Speaker B:Like, he, like, did like a hard checkout a couple times.
Speaker B:That's all I felt.
Speaker B:I didn't think it was that bad.
Speaker A:No, it was.
Speaker A:I felt like it was a running theme.
Speaker A:They kept calling it out.
Speaker A:And he was just like.
Speaker A:When he was like, I'm not gonna.
Speaker A:He said, like, I'm not gonna make it.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's always like, twice, though.
Speaker B:That's why.
Speaker B:I guess it didn't bother me.
Speaker A:No, it was.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was more than that.
Speaker A:It was a lot.
Speaker A:It was like 5 times.
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I just don't understand, like, why.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah, we don't need that to Dean's character anymore.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He's run up and moved on.
Speaker A:Let's move past that.
Speaker B:I want to know when they're going to stop perpetuating the lie of college food.
Speaker A:I think that depends on.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think you have to go to more expensive schools.
Speaker B:Probably that too.
Speaker B:I don't think Casey Kasem University has.
Speaker A:Yeah, Casey case of.
Speaker A:Probably has some good hot dogs and some milkshakes.
Speaker A:You know, like, diner.
Speaker A:Yeah, they have.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Then they're all concerned on roller skates.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And there's always the jukebox in the corner.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, I.
Speaker B:I think it's a.
Speaker B:Look, this was.
Speaker B:Can't be fun episode, in my opinion, so I can.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna complain about it at all.
Speaker B:So I feel like it's got a little bit of camp to it.
Speaker B:Trying to bring a little bit of tech to it.
Speaker B:I think that it was not a.
Speaker B:Not fun.
Speaker B:When I just was.
Speaker B:My comment was just that there wasn't like, the, like, one person.
Speaker B:You were like, oh, man.
Speaker B:That person just got swept up in this and got everybody.
Speaker B:You're kind of like, wow, this kind of sucks.
Speaker B:I mean, kind of Corey Silver, I guess, but she kind of leaned in, too, so I don't know.
Speaker A:I mean, she was okay with those college students getting murdered.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, maybe she also felt the same way that you did.
Speaker A:She was like, I don't really care they died.
Speaker B:I was like, damn, this is not.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:That's my opinion.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:You're kidding me.
Speaker B:Oh, so.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:So that froze on my end.
Speaker B:Did it?
Speaker B:Yeah, it did.
Speaker B:We were good.
Speaker B:And then we were talking about college kids dying, and then that was about it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:I think we can probably just do like, one more back to, like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, so.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think.
Speaker B:I think we agree on the casting.
Speaker B:On.
Speaker B:On the characters, not on the cast.
Speaker B:Cast was great.
Speaker B:The characters on this one.
Speaker B:But I.
Speaker B:I did think, like I said, overall, I feel like it was an enjoyable episode.
Speaker B:And that feels gross to say it wasn't a bummer.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There wasn't any emotional distress for the Winchesters, I guess, is probably.
Speaker B:Well, I think they did a good job of weaving in and using Dean's acceptance.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:It was right or wrong.
Speaker B:It sounds like he's accepted the mark and he's determining how he is going to manage that.
Speaker B:And he had two different opportunities in this episode to express that.
Speaker B:And I thought that was a smart and interesting way to convey that.
Speaker B:Well, there's three ways.
Speaker B:Three times.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Well, will Dean express himself?
Speaker A:Find out next time on Devil Strap Podcast.
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Speaker B:When I die in the lane.
