10:17 Inside Man
It’s Season 10, Episode 17 Inside Man. We are so happy to get to spend some time with Bobby and watch Rowena’s spell work. We continue the story of Rosaleen Norton’s, the Witch of King’ Cross, and the obscenity trial of her 1949 Melbourne exhibit.
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On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:Hobbits, fraggles, elves, sexy panthers.
Speaker A:Is it a con or is it the title of Liz's next sex tape?
Speaker B:And here's to evil skanks.
Speaker B:Let's do.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:And I'm Liz.
Speaker A:And we're going to Talk about Season 10, Episode 17, Inside Man.
Speaker B:Inside Man.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we got a little bit of a fun going on here with all us talking about, you know, ailments and travel.
Speaker A:But we'll just probably jump into this episode.
Speaker B:You don't want to talk about.
Speaker A:Oh, no, no, we can.
Speaker A:My knee surgery.
Speaker B:I mean, in my end.
Speaker B:Stuff that's coming up or my week.
Speaker B:Like, why you just wanted, like, skip talking.
Speaker B:This is the only time I get to talk to anybody all week.
Speaker B:Diana.
Speaker A:No, you're gonna talk about afterwards because you'll have all the fun stories to tell after.
Speaker A:That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:But we can talk, too, now.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I had knee surgery, so I'm on the drugs, so don't listen to me.
Speaker B:Hurting my feelings here.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:No, tell me all about.
Speaker A:You've got a lot of fun stuff coming up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So this week I've been preparing to go on a trip and.
Speaker B:But that wasn't what I was gonna talk about.
Speaker B:Cause I talk about other things.
Speaker B:Why do you assume you know what I'm gonna talk about before this?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So things have been going on since the last time we recorded.
Speaker B:So this is a question I have.
Speaker B:How much detail does the FedEx man need to know about my life?
Speaker A:Very little.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So yesterday I was receiving a package from the FedEx man.
Speaker B:And one of the.
Speaker B:One of the FedEx man.
Speaker B:So I'm trying not to give away, I guess.
Speaker B:Doesn't really matter.
Speaker B:If you want to figure out where I live, that's.
Speaker B:That's up to you.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So there's like, a big house and a little house.
Speaker B:So some people understand that, like, there's a driveway.
Speaker B:And so, like, it probably makes sense to go to the.
Speaker B:Like, the other doors if you.
Speaker B:Rather than climbing up the big stair to go the front.
Speaker B:But anyways, so the FedEx guy comes out to the middle, and I call him to come over to the little house.
Speaker B:And he has now looked in the big house, and I see him, like, looking in.
Speaker B:Looking, like, in there.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And the thing is, is there's nothing in the living room and there's nothing in the dining room.
Speaker B:Or kitchen, because it's all demolished currently.
Speaker B:Mostly the first floor looks pretty empty.
Speaker B:And so then he starts asking me, oh, so your family lives in the smaller house and nobody lives in the big house.
Speaker B:And I was like, well, somebody kind of.
Speaker A:Not exactly, sir.
Speaker B:And I'm like.
Speaker B:He's like, yeah, Because I see, you know, like, their dogs there.
Speaker B:And I'm like, how much detail do I tell this?
Speaker B:Because I'm like, yeah, there's like a.
Speaker B:You know, there's a.
Speaker B:You know, a person.
Speaker B:Another person.
Speaker B:There's a resident who lives there who.
Speaker B:And I'm like, how.
Speaker B:What if you're a pervert?
Speaker B:Like, are you.
Speaker B:Are you trying.
Speaker B:Because he's like, yeah, I've seen this girl.
Speaker B:You know, I've seen a girl there before.
Speaker B:I'm like, what?
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:Yeah, but that.
Speaker B:So that was.
Speaker B:What I want to talk about today, before we got started, was how much, like, even if it's, like, Dean Winchester with a fake f.
Speaker B:You know, FBI badge, but how much questions, like, should I have been concerned the FedEx man was asking that many questions about my house and who.
Speaker B:The residents and who lived there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, like, in some ways, it's useful for him to have some general knowledge, because he knows where to bring things and who to give them to.
Speaker A:But also, like, I don't know you.
Speaker B:I don't know you, and it's really nosy, and I don't want you to know, like, who.
Speaker B:I mean, it's, for instance, for security measures.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm not saying, like, this is, like, special ops or things, but just for general safety.
Speaker B:I don't like them to know, like, details.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I will say this.
Speaker B:You know, I don't want the FedEx guy, but I'll tell everybody my podcast.
Speaker B:To know that there are.
Speaker B:There are houses here.
Speaker B:We have alarm systems and lots of guns and dogs and giant dogs, but, I mean, but each house has, like, one woman in it right now.
Speaker B:And I did not want the FedEx man to know that, like, there's in this house is one woman, and this house is, like, another woman.
Speaker B:So it's just like, there's, like, really big dogs in that house.
Speaker B:They're huge.
Speaker B:I was like, they're friendly.
Speaker B:Ish.
Speaker B:But, you know, they're really big, large.
Speaker A:They're only friendly if we want them to be.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, I kind of feel like those.
Speaker B:I mean, those dogs do, like, one of them is a pit bull, and one of them is a giant wolf.
Speaker B:So I'm pretty sure if I.
Speaker B:If they Were someone was hurting one of us, they would probably be.
Speaker B:We would be okay.
Speaker B:So that's what I'm saying to the podcast world.
Speaker B:Or dogs, you know?
Speaker B:But anyhow, that was my exciting things for the week, so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then I'm creepy FedEx.
Speaker B:Creepy FedEx guy.
Speaker B:I'm glad I have a lot of cameras, but now I'm going to be watching with the cameras all the time.
Speaker B:And UPS still didn't come to the other house, and now I'm missing my wine shipment, damn it.
Speaker B:And they won't be able to deliver it after I leave because there won't be an adulting here.
Speaker B:Also, podcast world, you don't need to know that.
Speaker B:They have to.
Speaker A:You have to.
Speaker A:It's very specific rules.
Speaker A:That's fine.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We're friends with a.
Speaker A:One of our delivery guys now.
Speaker A:And he's really sweet and he gives like.
Speaker A:Like the dogs got on the front porch and like, greet him and he bring.
Speaker A:He carries treats.
Speaker A:He's ready.
Speaker B:See, but that's smart, right?
Speaker B:Like, I'm gonna get to know your dog.
Speaker B:Gonna be nice to them.
Speaker B:That way I don't have to deal with them being jerks to me.
Speaker A:But I don't know his name.
Speaker A:And Dave, like, I is like, he thinks he knows it.
Speaker A:So now it's like this whole thing.
Speaker A:And I'm like, now it's like, does.
Speaker B:He not have a name tag on his shirt?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:That's rude.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:So now it's a thing.
Speaker A:Because we really like him.
Speaker A:He's really nice and like him.
Speaker B:Can.
Speaker B:Does it say who was delivered by on your receipt?
Speaker A:I'll have to check.
Speaker B:What, what, what delivery service?
Speaker B:Okay, he will be delivering something to your house tomorrow.
Speaker B:Are you staying home from work?
Speaker B:Are you working from home tomorrow?
Speaker B:Okay, so you will be working from home tomorrow.
Speaker B:So your mission is to find out his name.
Speaker B:And honestly, it's not that rude to be like, dude, I'm terrible with names.
Speaker B:I don't want to be an asshole.
Speaker B:What's your name?
Speaker A:Yeah, I'll have to do that when Dave's not standing there, so don't throw him under the bus.
Speaker A:But yes, that's my goal.
Speaker B:Why would Dave need know his name either?
Speaker A:Because they, like, talk, but they're guys, so it's fine.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, so, yeah, it's.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I would also check your receipt to see if who is delivered by, but I feel like for.
Speaker B:Like, they probably wouldn't do that for security.
Speaker A:Probably not.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:So many security Tips.
Speaker B:That's what AI is going to think this is about.
Speaker A:Not security tips.
Speaker B:Security.
Speaker A:Personal security.
Speaker B:Personal security.
Speaker B:Hire me.
Speaker B:I'll give you, you know, you pay me money, I'll give you all sorts of tips about what's safe and not safe.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:All right, so now any.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Anything else you want to say?
Speaker B:Okay, so now let's talk about this episode.
Speaker B:So Inside Man.
Speaker B:So an inside man is.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:According to Supernatural Wiki, an inside man is someone who helps with the execution of a crime by working inside the target.
Speaker B: de man probably refers to the: Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:It was directed by Rashad Ernesto Green.
Speaker B:This was his first episode to direct for sbn, and he'll do one more next season.
Speaker B:Born in the Bronx, he went to Dartmouth, got his master's degree from nyu.
Speaker B:According to Wikipedia, while completing his graduate studies, he decided to become a director instead.
Speaker B:He attributed this decision partly to his frustration with the typecasting of black actors as drug dealers and criminals on television and his desire to change the industry.
Speaker B: ted the short film Choices in: Speaker B: In: Speaker B: In: Speaker B:And he subsequent subsequently directed both feature films and television series, including Grim Vampire Diaries, the Quad, Vita, Luke Cage, Proven Innocent, Looking for Alaska and the Shy.
Speaker B:He is also ridiculously attractive.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:He could be an actor if he wanted to be.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:This was written by Andrew dav, who we last saw the season in episode nine, the Things We Left Behind.
Speaker B:Before that, Episode two, Rankin Bach.
Speaker B:So we're starting off with a seance.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And we have Sam and Cass at a seance with some old dude and Dean is not there and the lights flicker and we hear the Gambler by Kenny Rogers.
Speaker A:And we cut to fucking Bobby Singer reading a book with a glass of whiskey.
Speaker B:Yeah, and they do a really great shot here.
Speaker B:They start off with the flames are shooting out of the candles and then they use that fire to then cut to the fireplace burning.
Speaker B:And then while Kenny Rogers is playing, like, at first it's like pear sucks and then it's whiskey.
Speaker B:And then it's a book.
Speaker B:And in the book you see that it says storytelling, which is Tori Spelling's biography or autobiography.
Speaker B:And it's written out.
Speaker B:So you see what she did there because it's Tori Spelling.
Speaker B:And so the rate that it raises is storytelling.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And we hear Sam's voice cut through Kenny's singing to ask Bobby for help.
Speaker B:Need your help.
Speaker A:And then it says 24 hours earlier.
Speaker A:So we go back in time to the bunker where Sam gets woken up in the middle of the night by Dean having a night terror calling out for him.
Speaker A:And Dean's nightmare we see is his flashback to Kane telling him that he's gonna kill all the people that he loves, including Sam.
Speaker A:Including his brother.
Speaker A:That's where his story is going to end.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And he's sweating through those sheets.
Speaker B:And I feel you like, oh, it's so gross.
Speaker B:And like now he's gonna have to wash him before he hits the road.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it's always nice.
Speaker B:I always make sure I wash them before I go on the road so I can come back to clean sheets.
Speaker B:Because that's nice.
Speaker A:The best.
Speaker B:And I've just bought new sheets like for the first time in a while.
Speaker B:So like I'm have wash like brand new sheets to come home to.
Speaker B:That'd be great.
Speaker B:So besides thinking about his brother being dead and Dean killing him, Sam is upset and makes a call.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So in the morning Dean's like, oh yeah, Sam, I totally slept like a drunk baby.
Speaker A:But Sam's like, that's nice.
Speaker A:There's no cases, so what are we gonna do?
Speaker A:And Dean's like, oh, we'll have a snow day.
Speaker A:We'll get drunk and shoot shit.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, we kind of do that all the time.
Speaker B:But that's fun thing that they sounds fun in the bunker.
Speaker B:I mean if I have my own shooting range in my bunker.
Speaker B:I mean, and you've got like that garage full of cars.
Speaker B:And you look in the archives.
Speaker B:Which is what I would do.
Speaker B:I'd be like, let's go.
Speaker B:They're like lit.
Speaker B:Stop.
Speaker B:We're not gonna go look at the archives again.
Speaker B:I'm like, there's something in there.
Speaker A:I just feel like.
Speaker A:I just feel like they have not.
Speaker A:They're not taking full advantage of their situation.
Speaker A:But whatever.
Speaker A:Sam so says he wants to go see some French movie which Dean is clearly not interested in.
Speaker A:So Sam is going to go alone to Wichita.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:And Sam keeps elaborating on it, Right.
Speaker B:And Dean just keeps falling for it.
Speaker B:Because at first he's like, well, I would be interested if it was a nudie French movie.
Speaker B:And then Sam's like, well, it's kinda.
Speaker B:It's about a mime that's secretly a cockroach and then Dean's like, oh, okay, maybe I don't want to go see that.
Speaker B:And he just really believes that it's a movie about a mime.
Speaker B:About a cockroach.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:When clearly Sam just doesn't want Dean to go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, it was like, if you're dumb enough to think that's real.
Speaker B:So, like, okay, I'll get some me time.
Speaker B:And Sam is actually going to go see Dean's boyfriend.
Speaker B:And he goes behind his back to go see Cass.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's crazy.
Speaker A:So he is going to pick up Cass, and they're gonna be like, oh, Dean's getting worse.
Speaker A:Charlie's radio silent, and everything's a dead end.
Speaker A:This is our last shot.
Speaker A:And that's what they're talking about.
Speaker A:So that's our little hint that Cass and Sam are conspiring to try to fix Dean.
Speaker A:But we cut to hell, because Crowley walks in on Rowena naked, painting sigils all over herself.
Speaker B:I mean, sometimes, just how you get ready, right?
Speaker B:I mean, you just gotta get your body paint on.
Speaker B:And it's really kind of rude when your son walks in and does it.
Speaker A:A knock.
Speaker B:And he's just like, look, you haven't annoyed me for days after weeks of nattering.
Speaker B:So clearly you are up to something.
Speaker B:And she.
Speaker B:She is up to something.
Speaker B:And she says, it's Trent.
Speaker B:And he's an assistant manager at Bigger Cent and he needs to mind his own business, by the way.
Speaker B:He's got really big arms.
Speaker B:Men are so stupid.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she opens her witchy box as.
Speaker A:As Crowley leaves.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She's got a box full of.
Speaker B:With a fun knife and other things under her bed.
Speaker B:I mean, who doesn't have that fun box under the bed?
Speaker B:Their bed.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:Well, on that note.
Speaker B:In the bunker.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Dean is back.
Speaker A:And Dean's still in the bunker, hanging out.
Speaker A:And he's on the phone and he's offering to assist other hunters, but he's.
Speaker A:And he's lying about how he's f.
Speaker A:Fantastic fan.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And did he put his toothbrush under his arm?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's real weird.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:He's just.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:Paying attention.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:Okay, so that happened.
Speaker B:And then we go to the playground.
Speaker A:We go to the playground.
Speaker A:This is a bounce around.
Speaker A:We're gonna bounce around Between.
Speaker B:Yeah, we do a lot.
Speaker A:Sam and Cass on their side quest.
Speaker A:Dean are farting around at the bunker.
Speaker A:And Crowley and Rowena, That's.
Speaker A:This is our bounce around.
Speaker A:But at the playground.
Speaker A:Our guardian angel guy.
Speaker A:At the.
Speaker A:Like, not like a guardian angel, but the angel that happens to be guarding the portal.
Speaker A:He's like, hey, Castiel, by the way, you're not allowed upstairs anymore.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:And then we get some crazy body swap action because Hannah decides to knock this other dude.
Speaker A:Other angel out and pop in so she can talk to Castiel face to face.
Speaker B:And she said she would never possess another vessel again.
Speaker B:So that's what Hannah has been doing.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So since she's not in a vessel upstairs, what is she like, that's because they keep them in, like, when they're up there.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So I guess theoretically, though, in canon land, she has been up there without a vessel, but now she's come back down to.
Speaker B:While her regular Hannah's body is off.
Speaker B:With her husband.
Speaker A:With her husband.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that happens.
Speaker B:But anyway, so she's.
Speaker B:But now she's just like, look, you.
Speaker B:I know what you're trying to do.
Speaker B:You want to take Metatron out, and the only way you're gonna.
Speaker B:He's gonna get out is, like.
Speaker B:He's gonna tell you is if you let him free.
Speaker B:And we can't let him out because he's Metatron.
Speaker B:Stop doing.
Speaker B:Stop playing Metatron out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Not gonna do it.
Speaker A:And she's like, sorry, that's not what.
Speaker B:We were gonna do.
Speaker A:And obviously it's what they were gonna totally.
Speaker B:We're gonna do.
Speaker A:Definitely what they were gonna do.
Speaker A:And she's like, sorry, but whatevs.
Speaker A:And Castiel's pissed, but Sam notices that they are surrounded by angels, and there is not a way out, so they have to leave.
Speaker A:So now Sam's like, cool, now we have to break Metatron out instead of, like, just going up and pulling him out.
Speaker A:Like, what were they just gonna have to break him out?
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker B:Anyways, like, how are you?
Speaker B:Like, what?
Speaker B:Oh, so anyhow.
Speaker A:So everyone's gonna hand him over.
Speaker A:Duh.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So then we go down to Hell, and Rowena is talking to this dude who is the operator of Hell's Switchboard, which is the title of my next album, He's Damned and a Conscientious Worker, which is the title of my next sex tape.
Speaker A:So she wants to know where the Winchesters kept Crowley last year, because she knows that he made a call from there so that the switchboard dude should.
Speaker B:Be able to track it with his Microsoft Surface tablet.
Speaker B:Stop trying to make Surface happen.
Speaker A:And he's like, yeah, I should be able to.
Speaker A:He calls her Queen Mother, but he's like, oh, there's some interference.
Speaker A:I can only get you in a 10 mile radius.
Speaker A:And she's like, close enough and she'll take it.
Speaker A:So at the back, well, near the bunker, Dean has gone to the bar and he stops himself from calling Sam and gets some delicious looking nachos.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which are called the Herve Vela Chase, which is the guy who played Tattoo on Fantasy Island.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's a weird thing that those are the nachos.
Speaker A:That is weird.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't know what the.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker B:He was knickknacking the man with the Golden Gun.
Speaker B:I don't know because I don't know why they're nachos.
Speaker B:But now I want crappy bar nachos.
Speaker A:They look good.
Speaker A:They look real good.
Speaker A:But either way.
Speaker A:And he's got a beer.
Speaker A:But these.
Speaker A:There's some college douches playing pool and the embedding on it.
Speaker A:And he cannot resist.
Speaker A:They think that he is, quote, blitzed, but take up his challenge for 20 bucks anyways.
Speaker A:And we all know that Dean is going to hustle these.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because he can't help himself.
Speaker A:He just.
Speaker A:He can't.
Speaker B:I couldn't either, so.
Speaker B:And then you look at them.
Speaker B:They just look like they need money taken from them.
Speaker B:They just do.
Speaker B: c named Oliver price from the: Speaker B:And he used to perform in carnivals in Atlantic City.
Speaker B:And all I can think about is Colin Robinson as a kid child and what we do in the shadows, like dancing.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh my God, that one.
Speaker B:This kid psychic would be really popular among vampires.
Speaker B:But that's also how I'm imagining this act.
Speaker B:Go.
Speaker B:So hilarious.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I did a quick search.
Speaker B:I couldn't find any.
Speaker B:I'm sure they.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:I had enough side quests today.
Speaker B:I didn't have time to go into huge side quests.
Speaker B:I did not see anything right off the bat that said anyone actually was a child psychic.
Speaker B:If you were slide into my DMs.
Speaker A:Well, apparently he was also training with the Men of Letters up until they all got slaughtered in the 50s, so.
Speaker A:And Sam's just like, so sure this guy is going to be stoked to see them.
Speaker A:Except that his house has a giant fence around it that says like, stay away.
Speaker A:No trespassing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It looks almost abandoned.
Speaker B:And they get to the door.
Speaker B:Cass wants to break it down.
Speaker B:Like, I'm helping.
Speaker B:I'm helping.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, stop helping.
Speaker B:Stop helping.
Speaker B:Cassio.
Speaker A:Stop helping.
Speaker A:Just knock.
Speaker A:And so Oliver opens the door and he's like, oh, great, Sam Winchester, you're a man of water.
Speaker A:Great.
Speaker A:And oh, Cassiel, what the are you.
Speaker A:He's like, I'm an angel.
Speaker A:And I like that all of her response is, you can't be.
Speaker A:Because I'm an atheist.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was really clever and funny and in Sam's just like, not anymore.
Speaker B:So they go inside and you can see the awesome poster for him as a child.
Speaker A:And so cool.
Speaker A:His posters were rad.
Speaker B:Yeah, I would have them up everywhere too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But he doesn't like performing.
Speaker A:He doesn't like to go anywhere because all.
Speaker A:As a mind reader, all he can hear is people yapping.
Speaker A:That sounds really annoying.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's like, did the men of like.
Speaker B:So like, because they were exploded by Abaddon.
Speaker B:Like did.
Speaker B:Were they gonna teach him how to like shut off like his thoughts?
Speaker B:And then they just died and said, you know, poor guy.
Speaker B:So, yeah, like the good thing is, is that Cass's thoughts are just colors.
Speaker B:But the hippie inside the hippie's head.
Speaker B:Because that's what San's hair looks like right now.
Speaker B:Get a haircut, Sam.
Speaker B:It's not gonna.
Speaker B:So all he sees in his head is some creep ass hobbit looking fella.
Speaker A:I wrote that down too.
Speaker A:Creep ass hobbit looking fella.
Speaker A:Boom.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Meta.
Speaker A:And he's also.
Speaker A:He's also shocked that there is a jail in.
Speaker A:In heaven.
Speaker B:No, that's a reasonable thing to be shocked at.
Speaker B:Why would heaven need a prison?
Speaker B:So what happens if you say no to breaking someone out and then they.
Speaker B:Sam tells them that you're the mind reader and there's just this wonderful like back and forth, like shots.
Speaker B:Like it was.
Speaker B:I think it was just one continuous shot, but just like the faces in between each other like looking like him reading.
Speaker B:Like reading Sam's mind and then Cass's colors and you cycle.
Speaker A:There's very threatening in this one.
Speaker B:Yeah, Sam's threatening.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's done some for D, remember?
Speaker B:You know, like who's.
Speaker B:Who's the demon?
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker B:Was it Dean do or like Sam killing all those people and demons to get to Dean?
Speaker B:Anyways, so we go from there back.
Speaker A:To the bar and Dean has lost this round of pool and is gonna play again.
Speaker A:But this time instead of for $20.
Speaker A:Not a hundred dollars, not 200, let's play for 300.
Speaker A:And so he's going to hustle these quote Abercrombie rejects.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the main guy is not happy.
Speaker A:Doesn't have enough money, even with his daddy's watch.
Speaker A:And so there we go.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Then we go back to our seance, and Price needs something of the deceased.
Speaker B:And so Sam takes out Bobby's hat.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:And so he starts his, like, now.
Speaker B:He tells him to shut up and hold hands.
Speaker B:Title of my next sex tape.
Speaker B:It's a good one.
Speaker A:I like that one.
Speaker A:So he starts his chant.
Speaker A:Whatever you want to call it.
Speaker B:Summoning.
Speaker B:It's the summoning.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:And we.
Speaker A:And this is where we go back to where we started the episode.
Speaker A:And we hear Sam's voice cut through into Bobby's heaven.
Speaker A:So back at the bar, Dean has just run the table on this kid and collects his money and the watch and goes to the bathroom.
Speaker A:And while he is in the restroom, Rowena has appeared at the bar.
Speaker A:And Dean is washing his face.
Speaker A:I don't know what he's doing in this bar bathroom, but he's refreshing himself.
Speaker B:Which is actually is.
Speaker B:You know, it is a tactic as a technique.
Speaker B:And one of the many things that I read of you about, things that are supposed to calm your anxiety.
Speaker B:Cold water will actually help your body de.
Speaker B:Stress itself.
Speaker B:So maybe he's self soothing and he just doesn't know.
Speaker B:But he's.
Speaker B:You know, he's refreshing his face to be like, okay, I'm done with.
Speaker B:Done with this.
Speaker B:But he blinks, and he's got demon eyes.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Happen.
Speaker A:Not supposed to.
Speaker A:Not supposed to happen.
Speaker A:But they don't come back.
Speaker A:So back at the seance, Sam has filled Bobby in on what the.
Speaker A:What's up?
Speaker B:Yeah, I want to know, like, how long that tldr took.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like, yeah, but he's leaving, like, how much are you telling, like, Bobby about?
Speaker B:Because, you know, so like, the last time I saw him was when his little soul was bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, around, you know, and went away.
Speaker B:So he does, like, they have talked since he's died.
Speaker A:Yeah, but he.
Speaker A:And he's glad everybody's taking care of each other, but he's also like, so we need to get this mark off of Dean.
Speaker A:Let's talk to Dean.
Speaker A:So they have left.
Speaker A:They have clearly left out the part that Dean is not involved in this conversation.
Speaker A:And Sam is like, so he's not in a good place right now.
Speaker A:And so we.
Speaker A:That's why he's not here.
Speaker A:And Cass is like, yeah, this is the plan.
Speaker A:You just got to escape your heaven, find the gate to earth and open it up so that we can come in and find meta.
Speaker B:And I think this is, you know, one of the.
Speaker B:I mean, I.
Speaker B:I love constructions of heavens and places and other things like that, you know, so the fact that now we know that every private.
Speaker B:Every.
Speaker B:Everyone's got there.
Speaker B:We knew this before that you have a private paradise, but there is a gate to earth that you can get to within that.
Speaker B:Within the paradise, which I think.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I also like Bobby's line here, though.
Speaker A:He's like, do you remember when this job was just chopping up fang and tossing back a cold one?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Things got a lot complicated in season 10, so.
Speaker B:And then he wants to know if anyone's going to be looking for him.
Speaker B:And they're like, well, everyone.
Speaker B:Because angels don't like souls just wandering around.
Speaker B:They just, you know, Bobby's like, well, how are we going to distract him?
Speaker B:And Sam's like, I figured.
Speaker B:You figure it out.
Speaker A:Yeah, just figure it out.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker B:You always do.
Speaker B:Right, man.
Speaker B:Like, just go.
Speaker A:Well, back at the bar, this is rude.
Speaker B:Like, which means we didn't.
Speaker A:We just.
Speaker B:We just figured we'd ask you to do this for me and you would figure it out.
Speaker B:Okay, bye.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:On your own.
Speaker A:So at the bar, Dean has come out of the bathroom, and the bar is now empty and quiet, except for Rowena.
Speaker A:And he calls her an evil skank.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker B:Well, he says, what's a nice girl doing like you in a place like this?
Speaker B:And he's like, did I say nice girl?
Speaker B:I meant evil skank.
Speaker B:In which I'm like, yay.
Speaker B:And she was like, you say that like it's an insult.
Speaker B:Because it's not.
Speaker B:And it's not an insult.
Speaker B:If you call me an evil skank, I will say it with pride.
Speaker B:And then Rowena says that nice girls are pathetic.
Speaker B:Here's to evil skanks.
Speaker B:And then everybody toasts.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, then her.
Speaker A:The college kids that he just beat at pool attack him, and they've got blood from pouring out of their eyes.
Speaker A:And he's.
Speaker A:Dean's fighting this kid, but he stops himself from killing him.
Speaker A:And he's flashing back to times that he's lost control and killed people recently in a montage.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a very.
Speaker A:It's a lot of.
Speaker A:It's very montagey.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm really glad my flashbacks don't come in montages that seems like it would be.
Speaker B:Give you a migraine.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Seems very stressful.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But I wonder if it has, like, a set.
Speaker B:Like, if he has a song to it.
Speaker B:Like, while it's going, well, that.
Speaker A:Then it'd be worth it.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:Like a workout song or something, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, Like a soundtrack.
Speaker A:A montage with a soundtrack.
Speaker A:I'm in.
Speaker A:Yeah, but just like a montage, like, flashback, which would probably be better than.
Speaker B:It just being like silent things flipping through your head.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So anyway, so he has that and he stops himself from do.
Speaker B:From killing Prince Valium there.
Speaker B:And then, like, more guys come and they fight and they fight with pool balls and, like, that seems exciting.
Speaker A:Armed with billiards equipment.
Speaker A:All of them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, hitting somebody with a cute.
Speaker B:With a pool ball really hurts.
Speaker B:Don't do it.
Speaker A:It looks painful.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So then Rowena takes off her coat and she's like, check out my titties.
Speaker B:So she's showing her.
Speaker B:Showing off her.
Speaker B:Her new fake tattoos, her henna tattoos, and she starts the Gaelic obliteration spell.
Speaker B:And then she says, ye.
Speaker B:That's what Gaelic sounds like to me.
Speaker B:Just kidding.
Speaker A:Gaelic obliteration cell.
Speaker B:That's what they called it on one of the supernatural wiki.
Speaker B:This is the Gaelic obliteration spell.
Speaker B:And the Gaelic roughly translates to.
Speaker B:To all spirits, listen to me.
Speaker B:Destroy this man.
Speaker B:Destroy him to ashes.
Speaker B:According to the Wiki, the user must paint their body with various Gaelic sigils, particularly on upper chest and arms, which is why you've got to wear, you know, either a tank top or a sleeveless dress to obliterate the target.
Speaker B:Gaelic verses must be recited after the incantation.
Speaker B:The sigils will emit blinding violet rays.
Speaker B:If cast properly, the body of the target will be reduced to ashes.
Speaker B:So much like talking about those spells and people being reduced to ashes sometimes.
Speaker B:Stories.
Speaker B:No, I.
Speaker B:Which is.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:We're going to lores.
Speaker A:Lore.
Speaker B:I couldn't make that.
Speaker B:I want to reduce the ashes, could it?
Speaker B:Couldn't go into a thing, but.
Speaker B:All right, so we are continuing our story of Rosaline Norton, the witch of King's Cross, AKA Rory.
Speaker B:And just.
Speaker B:We're going to be doing this for a few episodes where Rowena pops in who's coming through the season.
Speaker B:So we'll be highlighting some.
Speaker B:This witch and mainly because her story is so long and her.
Speaker B:She was in court a lot, and I just think that's really interesting.
Speaker B:And all her cases are fascinating.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:Yeah, let's jump into it.
Speaker B:So Rowie and her boyfriend Gavin.
Speaker B: So we're going to: Speaker B:So we're in Australia.
Speaker B:Crikey.
Speaker B:And her boyfriend Gavin is 10 years younger than her.
Speaker B:They say that in everything because there's like, oh my gosh, this 30 year old is a 20 year old.
Speaker B:It's probably wasn't great because he had a lot of mental problems and she probably shouldn't have been doing this, but you know, she, I think whatever.
Speaker B:So she and Gavin hitchhiked from Sydney to Melbourne to find a venue where she could hold her first art exhibition.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:Her, I would say kind of her banter, her, she really leverages the media.
Speaker B:And this is, I want to talk about, you know, all these cases that she ends up going to court for.
Speaker B:I think all kind of serve her with publicity.
Speaker B:So even though we're about to talk about a obscenity and censorship case, which is.
Speaker B:But it's still also the fact that from an artistic standpoint, I mean it's not really a bad thing.
Speaker B:Like she was building her brand as like, you know, being notorious, really taking advantage of being in the press.
Speaker B:So she has, she knows she's going to have this exhibition in Melbourne.
Speaker B:Right, okay.
Speaker B:And it's going to start on August 1st.
Speaker B:So on July 31st, an article was published in the Daily Telegraph in Sydney and that was titled 150 Yoga Needed for Artists Show.
Speaker B:Rosaleen told the paper that about 150 Melbourne people, including 40 psychiatrists and 10 occultists were invited to her show.
Speaker B:And she needed all of them to go into a yogi dream if they wanted to understand the pictures because she painted them in a trance, either lying on the floor or sitting on a chair.
Speaker B:She preferred lying on the floor, but she basically goes into a wild dream and her paintings are the best descriptions of those.
Speaker B:And if you ask her how other people understand them, they also have to go into a yogi dream and listen, that's the best way.
Speaker B:So which I think, you know, if you do that at an art show at university, you know, sometimes people question you.
Speaker B:But you know, whatever she told all these people, go to the show, go into a trance.
Speaker B: o, I just love like this, the: Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So it was very hefty Eastern influence and they're really big into India at this time.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So that's why a lot of yogi trances.
Speaker B:So the show was open for two days before a young woman complained to the police.
Speaker B:Probably more people had already complained to this, but you know, she's been out getting press, wanting people to come to this.
Speaker B:So the it is complained to the police that it's obscene.
Speaker B:A Carlton detective examined the pictures for a half an hour.
Speaker B:Rosaline herself didn't think they were obscene, at least not according to her standards.
Speaker B:Artistic standards are always different from accepted standards of obscenity, said Ms.
Speaker B:Norton.
Speaker B:So four paintings were then removed from the exhibit by the Melbourne police.
Speaker B: C of the Police Offenses Act: Speaker B:And she becomes the first woman to be charged under that law in Australia.
Speaker B:So where to break that glass ceiling?
Speaker B:You go, girl.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So she was served a summons to appear before the Carlton Court on Aug.
Speaker B:10.
Speaker B:The four drawings were held under tight security at the police headquarters.
Speaker B:Until then, they are like kept under locking.
Speaker B:I'm sure.
Speaker B:I just imagine like all these cops being like, can I go see the paintings?
Speaker B:You know, they all were.
Speaker B:They're like, hey, I cranky Bob.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right, let's hit it, right?
Speaker B:Get at that.
Speaker B:You know what they say.
Speaker B:So Norton didn't show on the 10th and they adjourned the the court until August 19th.
Speaker B:So according to one of the papers, long haired and weirdly dressed use university professors and identities in Melbourne's art world.
Speaker B:Crammed to Melbourne Courts and then an art exhibition on Friday.
Speaker B:I love that description.
Speaker B:Long hair and weirdly dressed.
Speaker B:Use also title of my next sex tape.
Speaker B:So she, she was.
Speaker A:There's a lot of sex tapes that you got in the queue now.
Speaker B:I must be stopped, all right?
Speaker B:I've got.
Speaker B:I've got to make an income somehow.
Speaker B:This is my new only fans.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:So she was defended by a L, A L Abrahams, who argued that the images in the recently published the History of Sexual Magic, a book that the Australian censors permitted, were of a far more obscene nature than Norton's paintings.
Speaker B:Abraham said that the students did not need the court's protection against Rosalie Norton's art.
Speaker B:Their own mental capacity to examine what they saw was sufficient.
Speaker B:Nothing was obscene in vacuo.
Speaker B:It was only obscene in the minds of those it was said to imperil quote, we have to cater for people with normal reactions to sex, not morons, the subnormal and neurotics.
Speaker B: : Speaker B:The only people who could act as censors were experts in the working of the human mind.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:Abraham said.
Speaker B:So again, you know, I.
Speaker B:This is a.
Speaker B: , basically the start of the: Speaker B: ey are talking, they're using: Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:It's just like nobody understood anything then.
Speaker B:But I just think it's funny, like, how these you.
Speaker B:I can hear somebody making that argument today, right?
Speaker B:Just like doing something else.
Speaker B:Be like, well, this was made then.
Speaker B:So I.
Speaker B:Lawyers.
Speaker B:So Mr.
Speaker B:Abraham said that even Gulliver's Travels have been declared obscene and banned at times.
Speaker B:It was impossible to say whether a person's behavior was caused by something he had seen.
Speaker B:The law relating to obscenity in Australia was hard to define.
Speaker B:A book or picture might offend one person's sense of decency so much that he would want to rip it up, while to another person it might be simply bad taste or bad art.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:A.J.
Speaker B:baird, legal assistant to the police department, said that university students were open to immoral influence by Ms.
Speaker B:Norton's pictures.
Speaker B:They were sexually offensive to morality.
Speaker B:The court must decide whether the pictures tended to deprave or corrupt the mind of these students.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:Mohammed's heir aired.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:AGB aired.
Speaker B:And I, I.
Speaker B:That's just a lot of initials.
Speaker B:I thought it was bared, but it's aired.
Speaker B:And that's also a weird name.
Speaker B:So that's not to shame you, Mr.
Speaker B:Australian Aired, who's probably dead by now.
Speaker B:So every.
Speaker B:He said, though, that everyone was in the universe was open to immoral influence, and that applied to people in Victoria.
Speaker B:So the court is taking advice.
Speaker B:The legal assistant to the police department and his opinion is that everybody in the.
Speaker B:You in the universe can, like, become immoral if they see a dirty painting, especially people at the university.
Speaker B:At least that's how I.
Speaker A:That's his legal.
Speaker A:That's his legal opinion.
Speaker B:That's what the legal assistant said, you know.
Speaker B:So, all right, then the warden, which I think is the Australian version of a dean, obviously they're wardens in prisons, but he was the warden for the university and Chat GPT told me that it was kind of like a dean, but that was chat GPT.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So then we have.
Speaker B:He is Mr.
Speaker B:RR Babar and what his name is.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:Rrbar.
Speaker A:Sounds like a Muppet.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, I mean, probably so he.
Speaker B:So he was the warden at the school Right.
Speaker B:So he said that Norton arranged with him for the exhibition and she had told him that she had exhibited in Sydney and Adelaide before that and they were fine with everything.
Speaker B:So she was given permission to hold a show for three weeks starting August 1st.
Speaker B:I'm never entirely sure if that because this is said to kind of be like her first.
Speaker B:I know it's her first exhibit in Melbourne.
Speaker B: r places before, but probably: Speaker B:But the warden did not feel competent to express his opinion on the art.
Speaker B:But he did, didn't see anything sexually exciting in them.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:Barbara added that only people with free access to the Road and White library were students and past students, university academic staff and their friends.
Speaker B:So no one would be under 17.
Speaker B:So he's just like these are all grown ups anyways.
Speaker B:Like they can make their own opinion about what they're seeing in these paintings.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that was awarded.
Speaker B:Then one of the detectives, Detective Olson, he testified that Ms.
Speaker B:Olton, Ms.
Speaker B:Olton, Ms.
Speaker B:Norton told him no painting is meant to represent any real life figure, but are simply symbols, cosmic forces of cultism and occultism, a hidden or secret side of all religion.
Speaker B:And I'm going to talk about these paintings.
Speaker B:I'm going to maybe have you try and describe some of them to, to our audience.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So she described the paintings to Olson and the first one, number two, Triumph, she said, was the fight between the two sides of nature.
Speaker B:Symbols of life and form on one side of chaos and destruction and unbalanced on force on the other.
Speaker B:Balance, force personified by hermaphroditic union of the two principles.
Speaker B:So we're, we're sharing my screen and hopefully we're going to share the, the right one.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So Diana, I mean, so this, and to be fair, the.
Speaker B:I'm showing you a colored version of this.
Speaker B:I think this may have been a print, a print drawing.
Speaker B:I mean a pencil drawing.
Speaker B:She, she ended up using this, these themes throughout other, other, other works.
Speaker B:So we'll expand on some of these next week.
Speaker B:So this is Triumph.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And so we've got some spheres with some bangs in them on one side.
Speaker B:So there's like, you can see, there's kind of, you can't see, but there's in the bottom sphere, there's like a demon sitting in it.
Speaker B:He's got some claws in there.
Speaker B:So this is what you're seeing are fangs.
Speaker B:There's a demon with, like, claws and, like, the bottom sphere.
Speaker B:So I think each of the spheres have got demons in them.
Speaker A:And then you've got some faces in the background.
Speaker A:It looks like kind of like a phoenix at the top.
Speaker A:And then we've got a figure that has what appear to be breasts and a penis standing on a golden sphere with a diamond between their legs.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And on the.
Speaker B:That golden sphere, I don't know if you can probably see it.
Speaker B:It looks like there's, like a person in there, but it's like, oh, no, there's a person holding on to another person.
Speaker B:They may be boning.
Speaker A:Saturn's in the background.
Speaker A:And there's Saturn in the background.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, but of things that, I mean, I'm just trying to think of in terms of obscenity.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I mean, again, we all know that these things are going to be subjective.
Speaker B:And this is part of the reason why obscenity laws and censorship are so difficult.
Speaker B:Because sometimes, you know, defining obsidian is very hard.
Speaker B:But in this painting, and we'll share the picture, you can see a penis and you can see breasts.
Speaker B:So if that was something you defined as that maybe potentially.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And it does potentially look like there is some sexual intercourse going on, but there's no, like, DMP leg action going on.
Speaker A:That's important.
Speaker A:Implied.
Speaker B:It's implied.
Speaker B:And, you know, her point being these are not.
Speaker B:These are symbolic figures.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And they're not like.
Speaker B:I think it's interesting.
Speaker B:That's the point that she's making.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That what difference that makes an obscenity law, whether or not it's a direct representation of a person.
Speaker B:Like porn, like, you know, a photographic version of someone doing a sexual act.
Speaker B:Which she will get charged for later.
Speaker B:But for this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or if it's an artistic representation, if.
Speaker B:It'S an artistic or a symbolic thing or Mrs.
Speaker B:Religion.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Which is what she's also saying is this is all representative of a religion too.
Speaker B:So true.
Speaker B:All right, so that was our first one.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Our second one is going to be Lucifer.
Speaker B:The legend of the fallen angels.
Speaker B:How she describes this one?
Speaker B:Lucifer represented intellect.
Speaker B:And we're going to see, she says, the four combined aspects of the self.
Speaker B:Lucifer.
Speaker B:That which can be illuminating or used for evil purposes.
Speaker B:The falling angel yet bright.
Speaker B:Professor Marguerite Johnson said Rosaline depicted Lucifer according to his.
Speaker B:This mythology, not worshiping.
Speaker B:Worshiping him as the devil, but acknowledging him as humankind's adversary.
Speaker B:He reminds while we're here, and thereby operates As a psychic gauge that curtails ego.
Speaker B:So it's very deep.
Speaker B:So let me show you this next picture.
Speaker B:Is that big enough for you to see?
Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker B:Okay, so what do we have here?
Speaker A:In this drawing, we have another winged creature that.
Speaker A:Her figure that has looks.
Speaker A:Appears to have breasts and a penis standing with a mask in its hand.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they're very elvish.
Speaker A:Like, I say that.
Speaker A:No, that's applying.
Speaker A:Like, I know what our interpretation would be, but, like, all kind of elvish.
Speaker A:They've got, like, kind of elongated facial features.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker B:So I guess pointy ears, pointy eyebrows, lots of pointy noses.
Speaker B:And the mask that loose.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:The winged creature is supposed to be.
Speaker B:Is supposed to be Lucifer.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And the mask that they're holding is kind of like a demon's mask, but also kind of looks like.
Speaker B:Like a drama.
Speaker B:Comedy mask.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And one of the.
Speaker A:And standing over two creatures, one of them kind of looks.
Speaker A:Looks like white, and one is.
Speaker A:Has elk.
Speaker A:Elk antlers.
Speaker B:They're elk antlers.
Speaker B:And they're great.
Speaker B:Like, these are fun.
Speaker A:He's playing a horn with elk horns.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:I appreciate.
Speaker B:Like, I just really appreciate those horns.
Speaker B:They're not what you would expect.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:The antlers, like, normally, I think also because we're so used to.
Speaker B:Or at least I am, you know, the demonic horn, like, horns being more goat like.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Because we're still such an image that we're used to, and then being like elk antlers is just adorable.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So again, like, as far as, you know, the.
Speaker B:The bottom figures, they're naked, they're nude, but they're not.
Speaker A:I mean, is there a lion trying to eat one of them butts?
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that's like, maybe, like, it kind of looks like the.
Speaker B:The Chinese lions almost a little bit.
Speaker B:But I think maybe it's supposed to be a demon eating her butt.
Speaker B:Like, and, like, with, like, taking a bite.
Speaker A:Not, like, eating.
Speaker A:Yeah, not.
Speaker A:Not eating ass.
Speaker A:Like, trying to, like, chomp.
Speaker B:Trying to chomp on it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's got some pretty strong teeth on it.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's another, like, little ghost figure at the top, too, in the left corner.
Speaker B:I'm just kind of floating there and, like, some hands and things going on.
Speaker B:So, I mean, yeah, there's some titties and some dicks, but they're not, like.
Speaker B:I mean, they're kind of flaccid dicks.
Speaker B:Like, they're not, you know, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, like, to me, if you're okay.
Speaker B:Like if Michelangelo has the same kind of dick showing, right?
Speaker B:Like I'm not seeing.
Speaker A:It's more like figure work as opposed to erotic work.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I'm like, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker B:I think what that warden said about like, I'm not really seeing anything sexual here.
Speaker B:Like I'm seeing an allegory and you know, someone's trying to tell like things and you know, maybe she's like a little horny, but it's not like sexy time.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's kind of almost to me like, I mean, and let's say, you know, I think she's a great artist but in like, in terms of level of sexiness, I would say like 15 year old boy level sex sexiness.
Speaker B:Like writing his drawing, his first comic.
Speaker B:This is obviously much more like well done.
Speaker B:Better well done than that.
Speaker B:But that's just what I'm saying for sense of that.
Speaker B:All right, our next one, number 18, individuation.
Speaker B:The foremost figures at the bottom represented the subconscious mind or state of subconsciousness.
Speaker B:The figure ego rising into superconsciousness.
Speaker B:The objective or outer world in the background.
Speaker B:And Dr.
Speaker B:Johnson said this was based on her study of Jung and the title was from his term for psych, unity or inner wholeness.
Speaker B:And this one really reminds me of what's her name from Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker A:Yes, for sure.
Speaker B:Insert that here.
Speaker B:But yeah, it definitely has.
Speaker B:But it really could tell.
Speaker B:Like this is like, it feels like a dead on inspiration for it.
Speaker B:Just she's got the pointy, like the pointiness and just.
Speaker B:I don't know, there's just something that's very evocative of that, you know, so everything, nothing is real or new.
Speaker A:Is that Mantis?
Speaker B:Mantis, yes, yes, that's right.
Speaker A:Mantis, yes.
Speaker A:Only with the chicken feet.
Speaker B:Yeah, she got.
Speaker B:We got some chicken feet going on here.
Speaker B:We appreciate that.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:There's some symbols and stuff in the background.
Speaker B:There's some star, some.
Speaker B:There's a spider.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's some ANCs.
Speaker B:There's some stars of David's or some infinity symbols.
Speaker A:It's like a city skyline.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, city skyline.
Speaker B:There's like a snake.
Speaker B:This could be, you know, I don't think the snake.
Speaker B:It's a snake eating its tail.
Speaker B:That's possibly.
Speaker B:It's that simple.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's happening.
Speaker B:There's some skulls on there too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean a lot of symbols.
Speaker A:Just a lot of symbols, things riding out.
Speaker B:I can see this as being.
Speaker B:I mean, I.
Speaker B:And she's got something like kind of like, she's got kind of a.
Speaker B:There.
Speaker B:They have.
Speaker B:They have breasts.
Speaker B:They kind of have, like.
Speaker B:There's kind of like.
Speaker B:They're kind.
Speaker B:Again, there's breast forms and then there's something sort of like.
Speaker B:There's a penis, like genitalia that.
Speaker B:But that's kind of squiggly.
Speaker A:Appendage.
Speaker A:It's an appendage.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know what it is.
Speaker B:It's kind of like a.
Speaker A:It could be.
Speaker B:It was a tentacle also, you know.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, this is also, you know, kind of reminiscent of, you know, pre.
Speaker B:Like manga and anime, too.
Speaker B:Like, you know, like tentacle dicks and stuff.
Speaker B:So, again, catagraphic.
Speaker B:But not.
Speaker B:Honestly, you'd have to.
Speaker B:You have to look for that.
Speaker B:Like, you really.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's, like, so not realistic and it's not, like, sexualized.
Speaker A:It's just there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, this really looks like someone who ate a bunch of acid and then.
Speaker B:Which is.
Speaker B:You know, she goes into transits and does stuff.
Speaker B:This is, I think, pre.
Speaker B:Her acid time.
Speaker B: Because this is: Speaker B:Acid was not widely available.
Speaker B:But, I mean, it was just like someone got high and then drew what was.
Speaker B:What was in their.
Speaker B:What they thought ego was.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they're letting go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:And so our Last 1, Number 20, Witches Sabbath, which was later retelled as black magic, of course.
Speaker B:Just a symbolic picture portraying medieval demonology.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And they're really into this one.
Speaker B:So there's a female figure that represents a witch.
Speaker B:And then there's a panther that is a power of darkness.
Speaker B:And the panther, she said, merely represents the power of darkness of night.
Speaker B:And it's embraced with the female representing a witch is merely symbol.
Speaker B:Sim.
Speaker B:Sympological.
Speaker B:That word.
Speaker B:I wrote the word wrong, which is why I can't say it right.
Speaker B:It's spelled wrong.
Speaker B:My script, it's symbolic of the initiation of the witch into the infernal mysteries.
Speaker B:So this is, like, kind of the one that they brought up the most because there is a panther embracing a woman.
Speaker A:Oh, that one's cool as hell.
Speaker A:Yeah, It's a snake around it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's a snakey snake.
Speaker A:There's demons with titties.
Speaker A:We got freaking chick that doesn't even look like a chick because she's, like, blue and has, like, hooves or something.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, she's.
Speaker B:She's got Elvish going back to the elfish thing, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And on the painting, she's blue and she.
Speaker B:Yeah, she's got goat hooves.
Speaker B:She's just got some titties and But, I mean, she's.
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:And, like.
Speaker B:And the panther's kind of got, like, his claw on her butt, which I do.
Speaker B:Like, that's, like.
Speaker B:Like, this feels like the COVID of a shapeshifter book.
Speaker B:Like a paranormal romance.
Speaker B:I can see.
Speaker B:I can see this, like, this happening.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But there's this also.
Speaker B:There's a snake coming around them, and, you know, come.
Speaker B:Some of the cool titties are also, like, eyes, which is neat.
Speaker B:There is some demonology references.
Speaker B:Like, the demon at the bottom.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, his face, though, is kind of, like, in a star, which is cool.
Speaker B:And there's a.
Speaker B:Like, the woman's, like, hand is pointing at something, and she's got a magic.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But I mean, it's a cool painting.
Speaker A:And cool color study.
Speaker B:I mean, I could see, like, okay, this is again, like, I can see in middle school, boys taking this book out and being like, titties.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That is kind of the level of obsession, obscenity I'm seeing here.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:And you.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, so.
Speaker B:And granted, you know, this doesn't even, like.
Speaker A:This doesn't even look like people.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, they're, like she said, right?
Speaker B:There are symbolic representations.
Speaker B:They're not direct things.
Speaker B:This is, you know, about, you know, it's art, and it's not.
Speaker B:You know, it's also.
Speaker B:I mean, the guy who is just like, this could make you immoral.
Speaker B:What is it going to make you want to go out and start Frenching into panther?
Speaker B:I mean, I kind of want to French against panther.
Speaker B:Like, I know it's not gonna end.
Speaker A:Well, but, I mean, it's not the painting's fault.
Speaker B:Sexy.
Speaker B:But this is not the painting's fault.
Speaker B:The panther's hot, right?
Speaker A:I mean, the panther was already hot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That was just a panther itself, you.
Speaker A:Know, So, I mean, just panther doing panther things.
Speaker B:He's a panther being a panther.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:I mean, so, I mean, there is also.
Speaker B:And we're gonna.
Speaker A:You know, we'll go back to just Lily Munsters.
Speaker A:That question.
Speaker B:You know, she.
Speaker B:You know, in her future, she does bring up that she really liked the monsters, but the monsters weren't out yet at this point.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So maybe this was inspiration for that.
Speaker B:I mean, I think, really, you know, I think looking at this and seeing how this has, like, found its way down into pop culture is really cool, but.
Speaker B:All right, so let's talk about what ends up happening with this trial.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Detective Olson, again, like I said, was when he interviewed Rosaline, he told she.
Speaker B:There's so much like she said, he said she said that Rosaline told him that the object of her exhibition were to exhibit her work and sell some of the paintings, which I feel like is probably the goal of most artists when they have.
Speaker B:Have a gallery showing.
Speaker B:So also then generally, yeah, Mr.
Speaker B:Addison, who's abbreviated SM, which apparently means a stipendary magistrate, which is a type of a magistrate in the British court system who is a paid, qualified legal professional, unlike late magistrates who are volunteers.
Speaker B:So apparently in English courts, like, sometimes people just volunteer to be judges.
Speaker B:But so in Australian court, they have this SM and he's basically the judge for this trial.
Speaker B:He accepts of submission by her council that the four pictures had to be seen in context.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:That a wrong impression was gained looking at them at dirt for dirt's sake.
Speaker B:You can't just look at these in the police station or in the court.
Speaker B:You got to see them in the way they're meant to be displayed.
Speaker A:So at the installation.
Speaker B:At the installation.
Speaker B:So Addison says, okay.
Speaker B:So he adjourns and they go to the university library and they display the pictures and he inspects them.
Speaker B:He comes back and he dismisses the charges.
Speaker B:And he awarded £4 costs against the police department for Ms.
Speaker B:Norton.
Speaker B:And who was then said, it is ridiculous.
Speaker B:My work has been exhibited in Sydney and Adelaide.
Speaker B:It has not been declared obscene there.
Speaker B:My exhibitions have been opened by very reputable people.
Speaker B:But anyhow, so they.
Speaker B:This judge said he went and looked at them in there and he was like, titties.
Speaker B:He's like, it's fine.
Speaker B:So it is missing.
Speaker B:So case gets dismissed.
Speaker B:They end up.
Speaker B:I think they ever go, they.
Speaker B:They finish with the exhibit, I believe.
Speaker B:And then on September 21, Sir Albert Dunstan sought to have the case reviewed in a higher court.
Speaker B:He said he had not seen the paintings, but had been advised that the SM had made his decision on the case.
Speaker B:Case in order to review the court decision could only be obtained where there was an apparent mistake in the law.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:Legat, the chief Secretary, refused the case to have the.
Speaker B:Refused the request to have the case reviewed in a higher court.
Speaker B:So the.
Speaker B:The s in the mag.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:That magistrate dismisses the case because he says it was stupid.
Speaker B:Then another guy comes in and it's just like, can we have this reviewed?
Speaker B:Because I didn't see the paintings, but I heard they were dirty.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker B:This is why obsidian cases are stupid.
Speaker B:There's always just those few people.
Speaker A:It's like, I haven't seen them, but somebody said they were Gross.
Speaker A:So I really want to look at them really close, and I really want.
Speaker B:To talk about them.
Speaker A:Can I see them?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The case that we'll talk about next time we come back to Rosalie, will.
Speaker B:We will get to the sex magic, I promise.
Speaker B:And, yeah, so.
Speaker B:So we'll.
Speaker B:We'll.
Speaker B:We'll.
Speaker A:We'll.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:There's two cases.
Speaker B:I was like, that's two cases away where her.
Speaker B:She gets the pictures of her doing sex stuff.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:But, yeah, there's.
Speaker B:There's lots of more pornography pictures, pornography charges to come, and obscenity charges come just through.
Speaker B:Through her life.
Speaker B:And maybe we'll get to an actual witchcraft charge.
Speaker B:We don't know.
Speaker B:Smells, maybe she'll paint some symbols on her body and so.
Speaker B:And then she'll shake her titties at Dean, and I'll be like, no, it doesn't work.
Speaker B:So we're back.
Speaker A:It doesn't.
Speaker A:It doesn't work.
Speaker B:It does not work.
Speaker A:Rowena's spell does not work.
Speaker A:And she is like, wtf?
Speaker A:And so he's about to, like.
Speaker A:Dean's gonna, like, cut her throat, but he stops himself and asks what she's doing there.
Speaker A:And she says she's saving her son.
Speaker A:So this is when Dean finds out that Crowley is Rowena's son.
Speaker B:Crowley.
Speaker B:Crowley.
Speaker A:That Crowley.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so anyways, she's.
Speaker A:She's pissed because Dean is a good influence on him, and that's why he needs to die.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, well, your light show didn't work.
Speaker A:And she's like, well, you've got a hero complex because you couldn't kill these, so it's gonna get you anyways.
Speaker A:And they're gonna die anyways because my spell is gonna devour them from the inside out.
Speaker A:Like that other chick that you already watched die.
Speaker B:Remember that one that we were unpleasant.
Speaker B:Bl.
Speaker B:Was last time.
Speaker B:You want to see that again?
Speaker A:It's really sad.
Speaker B:So anyways, yeah, so cut back to our seance.
Speaker A:Back to the seance.
Speaker A:And, Cat, this is where Cass explains to Bobby the.
Speaker A:Finding his escape hatch.
Speaker A:And he quickly does.
Speaker A:Finds a thread in the rug, and he pulls that.
Speaker A:And when he pulls it, a secret door opens.
Speaker A:And it's really cool.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:It's really cool.
Speaker B:And that wallpaper is also amazing.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:And I have that much wallpaper.
Speaker B:Kind of like it, so.
Speaker B:And then he says, just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in.
Speaker A:And he goes into this super creepy white hallway.
Speaker A:I don't like it.
Speaker A:It's a white hallway with doors.
Speaker B:I do love it.
Speaker A:I love it and I hate it.
Speaker B:It's so heaven.
Speaker A:It's variations on Robert Singer on all the doors over time.
Speaker A:Roberto.
Speaker A:And then we.
Speaker B:I love the one Roberta.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:One Roberta.
Speaker A:And then we hear the alarm sound.
Speaker A:So we get a classic.
Speaker A:Bobby Balls.
Speaker B:Then we go back to hell.
Speaker B:So we go from heaven to hell.
Speaker B:But Rorina is mad.
Speaker A:She's pissed.
Speaker A:And she is.
Speaker A:She is in her room and looks at a blade, and she stumbles into the court all cut up.
Speaker A:So she's clearly cut herself up after returning from Earth.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:No one likes a woman who fixed this.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:No, girl.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So Crowley then, like, says bad things.
Speaker B:He's like, did you have a rough date?
Speaker B:Oh, bad Crowley.
Speaker B:And then she's like, dean did it to me.
Speaker B:And so he's like, the.
Speaker B:And he sends his minions out because he knows shit about to get messy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's like, why the.
Speaker A:Were you anywhere near Dean?
Speaker A:And she's like, I was trying to kill him.
Speaker A:And Crowley's like, I've been there.
Speaker A:Done works.
Speaker A:Doesn't work.
Speaker B:She's like, coyote.
Speaker A:And he's like, did you.
Speaker A:Was it like he's protected from on high or low?
Speaker A:Like maybe from the mark of Cain?
Speaker A:Duh.
Speaker A:She's like, that can be removed.
Speaker A:It's just a curse.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:And then you're like, wait a minute.
Speaker B:It's a curse, and she's a witch.
Speaker B:And what do we know about curses?
Speaker B:All curses can be removed.
Speaker A:Whoa.
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker A:So Crowley knows why she went on that suicide mission.
Speaker A:But what.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:You know, but he.
Speaker A:But also, he.
Speaker A:She needs to respect that he has a.
Speaker A:Like, a plan.
Speaker A:He's keeping his friends close and his enemies closer.
Speaker A:And she's like, what the.
Speaker A:Ever.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:You don't even care that Dean, like, mutilated me.
Speaker A:I'm your mom.
Speaker A:And he's like, no.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, she's like.
Speaker B:She's hitting all these manipulated, level manipulation things, right?
Speaker B:So she's like, first, like, you don't care the Dean mutilated your mother?
Speaker B:So she's trying to, like, maybe I'll try to see if he cares about that.
Speaker B:And then she's like, what if the demons gossip?
Speaker B:That'll make you look weak.
Speaker B:So maybe he'll care about that.
Speaker B:And then maybe you want to show Dean how strong you really are.
Speaker B:Be a bloody king.
Speaker A:And he's just really kind of, like, not buying into any of it.
Speaker A:And so we get a flash to the playground to the woods.
Speaker B:In the Pitmobile.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Where Cass and Sam are waiting and feeling conf.
Speaker A:Sam is feeling very confident in Bobby, and Cass is unsure.
Speaker A:But Bobby's running through heaven.
Speaker B:They can handle anything.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's running through.
Speaker A:He's opening doors, letting all the Roberts out.
Speaker B:So great.
Speaker A:Roberts.
Speaker A:Roberto's Robertos.
Speaker A:And so now we have.
Speaker A:Because he's figured out that he has to create a distraction from.
Speaker A:For the angels.
Speaker A:And so that's what he's done.
Speaker A:Because angels are like, wtf?
Speaker A:Y'all need to go back to your heavens.
Speaker A:And Bobby yells, who made you boss?
Speaker A:Who made you boss?
Speaker A:And shoves past them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And there's like a mini riot.
Speaker A:It's funny.
Speaker A:It's a Bobby riot.
Speaker B:It's a Bobby riot.
Speaker B:Well, we're actually.
Speaker B:We'll get a better version of that in a minute.
Speaker B:So at the bar.
Speaker B:Oh, the Bobby riot is good.
Speaker B:So at the bar.
Speaker B:Squirrel.
Speaker B:Boris.
Speaker B:Where's Natasha?
Speaker A:Well, and.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, are we gonna do this?
Speaker A:But back in heaven, we've got the angels getting a radio of the best line ever.
Speaker A:The bobbies are fighting back.
Speaker A:The bobbies are surly.
Speaker B:I repeat, the bobbies are sir.
Speaker B:And what's even better is that was the actual Robert Singer providing the voice.
Speaker B:The executive producer, Robert Singer came and provided the voice of that angel, which I think.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Fantastic.
Speaker B:So Bobby has found door 42.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And that opens up to the playground where Sam tackles the.
Speaker A:The guard angel and Castiel jumps through the.
Speaker A:Through the portal.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He kind of slides into heaven like he's sliding into home.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so Bobby and Castiel are walking around, and Bobby's like, so where the.
Speaker A:Is Dean?
Speaker A:And Castiel tries to lie.
Speaker A:Then he admits that he doesn't really know where Dean is right now because he's given up.
Speaker A:So Bobby calls them all idiots.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:He's pretty stupid.
Speaker B:And so then we go back to the bar where Dean has told Crowley what really happened.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And now Crowley has a really fun tiki drink as normal with a cute little pitchfork in it.
Speaker A:And Dean is drinking some whiskey.
Speaker A:And Crowley is coming to terms with the fact that his mother is a liar.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker A:But she also said that the mark is just a curse that can be removed, just doesn't know how.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, oh, I'm good.
Speaker A:And Crowley's like, I'm not sure about that, but okay.
Speaker A:But then they discuss, has Crowley gone soft?
Speaker A:I think it's an interesting conversation.
Speaker A:So Dean's like, maybe he's like, yeah, you.
Speaker A:You have.
Speaker A:Maybe it was the human blood.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But the old Crowley would have come in with demons and hellhounds and blown the roof off of this place.
Speaker A:Instead, we're sitting here talking, so.
Speaker A:Also, you know, I didn't see myself playing Dr.
Speaker A:Phil to the king of hell, but.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And also, like, why do you let your mommy with you so much?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And so he starts saying, you know, that we're family and we're blood.
Speaker B:And Dean disagrees and tells him that a 1.
Speaker B:A wise man once told me, family don't end them blood.
Speaker B:And that was Bobby who said that in.
Speaker B:In season three, episode 16, Restaurant for the Wicked, to Crowley.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he goes on, family is there for you, and they've got your back even when it hurts.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they don't care about what you can do for them.
Speaker B:They want to know about what they can do for you.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Does that sound anything like your mom?
Speaker B:And he's like, I don't think that sounds like my mom at all.
Speaker A:Not really.
Speaker A:So up in heaven, Metatron is grinning at Bobby and Castiel, and Bobby calls him a fraggle.
Speaker A:So now we've got him.
Speaker A:He's been called both a hobbit and a fraggle in this episode now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Metatron does think that it was an excellent show.
Speaker B:So he.
Speaker B:Which he is.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Fraggle Rock was amazing.
Speaker B:And I still haven't watched the remake, but whatever.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But he caused a compliment.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he's not interested in whatever STL has to offer.
Speaker A:Of course not.
Speaker A:And he's not going to help.
Speaker A:He's not going to be Dean's punching bag.
Speaker A:And Castiel's like, that's fine.
Speaker A:You're gonna be my punching bag.
Speaker A:And Metatron calls him the B team, but.
Speaker A:And Bobby's like, are we really sure we want to fucking do this?
Speaker A:Is this the only way?
Speaker A:And Castiel.
Speaker B:I automatically hate this dude.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Immediately hate this guy.
Speaker A:And Cassiel says, unfortunate.
Speaker A:So Castiel has resigned himself.
Speaker A:This tells us, I think, that Castiel has resigned himself, that Metatron is their only solution now, too.
Speaker B:But I still feel like that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway, so.
Speaker B:So then go through.
Speaker B:Back through the playground what Cast and Metatron do.
Speaker B:And so Metatron immediately just starts being an.
Speaker B:Trying to leverage, like, all this power that he thinks he has, but.
Speaker A:But he doesn't, because Castiel slices his throat, takes his grace, and Sam shoots him in the leg, in the knee.
Speaker B:Which is really.
Speaker B:I was really funny when I was watching it.
Speaker B:It was like oh, man.
Speaker B:I bet die.
Speaker B:It's really because Diana had knee surgery.
Speaker B:So I was like, if that is really funny, watching someone get shot the knee right now.
Speaker B:Or at least like.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're like, had some sympathy.
Speaker A:No, but I definitely did.
Speaker A:A holy moment.
Speaker A:And also Metatron, that said, because now he will be mortal.
Speaker A:He will answer their questions or Sam will blow his freaking brains out.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Ta da.
Speaker A:And Metatron's just like, I kind of lied.
Speaker A:I don't really know how to get.
Speaker B:Rid of the mark.
Speaker A:I just said that.
Speaker A:That's a guy.
Speaker A:God or Lucifer level magic.
Speaker A:It's not in the tablets.
Speaker B:Yeah, when he says it's God or Lucifer magic, and he's like, you can't ask Lucifer.
Speaker B:And I'm like, yeah, he's in the cage with your brother at Adam.
Speaker B:Where?
Speaker B:The cage with the brother Adam.
Speaker B:Sorry I said to bring that up.
Speaker A:And they just, like, gloss over it.
Speaker A:I'm like, like, here's another time for.
Speaker B:You to remember there's another Winchester in there.
Speaker A:But nope, nope.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:Let's blow past that.
Speaker A:Forget that.
Speaker A:We don't need that storyline right now, apparently.
Speaker A:But anyways.
Speaker A:So, yeah, Metatron really didn't know he was just making it all up.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But he.
Speaker A:Apparently, he does know where Castiel's grace is.
Speaker A:And so he can do that.
Speaker A:It's up to them.
Speaker B:So then we go back to Hell, and Crowley is just like, we're done.
Speaker B:Get out.
Speaker A:Pack up.
Speaker A:Pack it up.
Speaker B:I'm not choosing the Winchesters.
Speaker B:I'm choosing me.
Speaker A:Because I've been putting up with you.
Speaker A:And maybe I did lose my edge, but that ends now.
Speaker A:And if I wasn't the king of Hell, would you have even pretended to fucking care?
Speaker A:I don't take orders from you.
Speaker A:And she is pissed.
Speaker A:She says, everything you have, I'll watch it burn.
Speaker A:And she is shaking and crying.
Speaker A:But Crowley gives her five minutes and turns, doesn't want to see her again.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't think she was crying yet.
Speaker B:She was looking like she was trying to not cry until she got to her car.
Speaker A:So bad bitches cry in the car.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Yes, in evil Skinks.
Speaker B:So then we go back to the box where they start off.
Speaker B:Sam and Dean are just lying to each other.
Speaker A:Lying.
Speaker A:Dean just played some pool.
Speaker A:Sam saw the French movie La de Da.
Speaker A:But Sam is gonna go clean up in the bathroom and pulls a piece of paper out of his pocket.
Speaker A:And it's a note from Bobby that Bobby gave to Cass to give to Sam.
Speaker A:Aw.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And then we Get Bobby's voice reading over.
Speaker B:And Bobby's just kind of like, look, dumbass, like, I didn't get to see you, but, you know, like, stop going behind your brother's back.
Speaker B:That never ends good.
Speaker B:You're a good guy.
Speaker B:I'm proud of you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's a little.
Speaker A:But sometimes a lot of bad.
Speaker A:And you know, when you're doing something a little.
Speaker A:A little bad to do a lot of good ends up being a lot of bad.
Speaker A:And it comes at a price.
Speaker A:And we see in the like, as this letter is being read, we.
Speaker A:We see Castiel and Metatron driving off.
Speaker A:We see Rowena walking down the street.
Speaker A:But we get the message that Bobby's proud of Sam.
Speaker B:Yeah, he was content up in there in his heaven, but getting a call from him was the happiest he's been in forever.
Speaker B:And then he says to keep fighting and kick it in the ass, which is Kim Manor sign off, which is a tribute to him, which is really nice.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But then we watch as angels come into Bobby's heaven.
Speaker B:And one of them, though, is still the Hannah in the vessel.
Speaker B:So she went into.
Speaker B:See, this is why it gets confusing.
Speaker B:So what, she didn't, like, didn't swap back out.
Speaker B:She just kept the vessel.
Speaker B:And so now that's how Hannah.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:No, because of that card.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's very confusing.
Speaker A:But one of the guard.
Speaker A:There's three guard angels.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know if it's her still or not.
Speaker B:Oh, no, I think it was, but I don't know.
Speaker B:Well, I guess we'll find out next time.
Speaker B:Next time on Supernatural.
Speaker B:Is that Hannah?
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker B:All right, before we get to that, are there any of those angels that you want to tell us about?
Speaker B:Casting couch.
Speaker B:Is the casting couch.
Speaker B:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker B:La la la la la.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We'll talk about some of this cast we've got.
Speaker A:First, I want to talk about.
Speaker A:Oliver Price was played by Richard Newman.
Speaker A:He's been in episodes of MacGyver 21, Jump Street, Witches of East End X Files, and Once upon a time, he was Peralt in Call of the Wild and was a photographer in The Neverending Story 3.
Speaker A:But most of his career is actually doing voice work dating back to the 80s, doing anime.
Speaker A:He was also.
Speaker A:Also did voice work for Conan the Adventurer series, a whole lot of other cartoons, including night into the 90s anime as well.
Speaker A:Mobile Gundam Wing.
Speaker A:Mobile Wing Gundam.
Speaker A: I Joe, Dragon Ball Z into the: Speaker A:More Gundam.
Speaker A:There he man and Inuyasha, Transformers, the Godfather video game, and Ninja Ghost.
Speaker A:So a lot.
Speaker A:A lot of voice work.
Speaker A:And that's just the highlight ones.
Speaker A:There's a lot more than that.
Speaker A:Hannah, our guardian angel guy.
Speaker A:Guard angel, not Guardian, anyways.
Speaker A:Was played by Lee Majdub.
Speaker A:There's been episodes of Bionic Woman, Fringe, Arrow, Unreal.
Speaker A:Once Upon a Time, Magicians, Prison Break a few times, and Travelers a few times.
Speaker A:He was also Agent Stone in the Sonic the Hedgehog movies.
Speaker A:All the three.
Speaker A:All three movies.
Speaker A:Donnie's our bartender.
Speaker A:Was played by Steve Baron.
Speaker A:He's been in episodes of the Flash, I, Zombie, Good Doctor, and Snowpiercer a couple times.
Speaker A:Ty was one of our other.
Speaker A:He was our jerk in the bar with the long hair.
Speaker A:Was played by Chris McNally.
Speaker A:He's been episodes of Tower Prep, Lucifer, Altered Carbon, and Riverdale.
Speaker A:He was also Leonard, a reoccurring character in Greece.
Speaker A:Rise of the Pink Ladies.
Speaker B:I wish he'd been like.
Speaker B:He did a Curb Marshall for Abercrombie and Fitch.
Speaker A:No, he's done a lot of Hallmark, if that helps.
Speaker A:And then our.
Speaker A:His buddy was.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:He didn't have a name.
Speaker A:Was played by Reese Williams, who is a stuntman.
Speaker B:Also an Abercrombie.
Speaker B:And fish models, probably.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So funny enough, I just ordered some clothes from Abercrombie.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I can feel the judgment.
Speaker A:That's fine.
Speaker A:Fine.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So I thought this was a funny episode.
Speaker B:And I could smell the Jakar, so.
Speaker B:Or the Axe body spray.
Speaker B:And here's the ins.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So you enjoyed.
Speaker A:Well, we got a little Bobby action.
Speaker A:As much as I hate Metatron and I'm Was getting a little.
Speaker A:Like, I needed the Rowena story to move.
Speaker A:Does that make sense at all?
Speaker A:I needed.
Speaker A:So having children, you needed to get out of hell.
Speaker A:Yeah, man.
Speaker A:It was just like, just her.
Speaker A:Like, just watching her manipulate all the time was just getting, like, a little bit exhausting to me.
Speaker A:So seeing, like, some progress in that storyline was really helpful.
Speaker A:It's a frustrating one because this is the.
Speaker A:The trope of these.
Speaker A:That happens all the time.
Speaker A:Of we're gonna go behind each other's back and save the day.
Speaker A:And it always backfires.
Speaker A:But I still found the episode enjoyable.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, we know that's the thing that Winchesters do all the time.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And they never learn.
Speaker A:Never learn.
Speaker A:They never learn.
Speaker B:Maybe they will learn their lesson next time.
Speaker A:They won't.
Speaker B:Those meddling kids.
Speaker B:Anything else?
Speaker A:Nope.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know I mean, I, obviously, I, I loved the idea of Rowena's.
Speaker B:Her, her little glyphs all over her, like.
Speaker B:But then also, if you're painting them, do you.
Speaker B:Which way do you paint them?
Speaker B:Which is the right.
Speaker A:Doing it in the mirror or do they go backwards?
Speaker B:Like, what's the correct way?
Speaker B:What is the correct direction to put something, a body glyph on yourself?
Speaker A:If.
Speaker B:Maybe we'll find out when we talk about sex.
Speaker B:Magic.
Speaker B:I don't know, because I just like whichever way you're looking at it.
Speaker B:Is that the right reflection?
Speaker B:Oh, maybe you have to go into another portal.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Magic.
Speaker B:The portal.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:To see if Rowena goes into a portal on the next episode.
Speaker B:We'll see you then.
Speaker B:Cheers.
Speaker B:Jerk.
Speaker A:Cheers.
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Speaker A:Going up to the spirit in the sky?
Speaker A:That's where I'm going to go when I die?
Speaker A:When I die and they lay me to rest?
Speaker A:I'm going to go to the place I.
