10:21 Dark Dynasty
It's Season 10, Episode 21, "Dark Dynasty," and boy, it's freaking dark. Who are these Steins? What is fridging? Where did Rowena get that eyeshadow? We discuss all that, plus our continuation of the story of the Witch of King's Cross, Rosaleen Norton. This week, we learn about the impact a young Anna Hoffman had when she tells the cops that Black Masses were happening at Rosaleen's flat.
Research Links
- Spectrum 802. Tales of Anna Hoffman
- LGBTQ rights in New South Wales - Wikipedia
- Homosexuality must be wiped out in Sydney (1953) - ABBI
- Rosaleen Norton | Special Collections, UON Library
- Why Rosaleen Norton, 'the witch of Kings Cross', was a groundbreaking bohemian - ABC News
- Damned whores and God's police : the colonization of women in Australia : Summers, Anne, 1945- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
- Voices from the archive : the emergence of promiscuity as a mental disorder in Tasmania
- The ‘Greatest Menace’: The unexpected outcomes of policing homosexuality | Australian Women's History NetworkAustralian Women's History Network
- The Witch of Kings Cross: Kiwi occultist who scandalised Sydney - NZ Herald
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil Strap podcast, we learn the secret if something goes wrong, blame the Steins.
Speaker B:AI.
Speaker B:Blame the Steins.
Speaker A:Sam's got a bad hair day.
Speaker B:Stein's baby smells like fast food.
Speaker B:Blame the Steins.
Speaker A:Charlie's dead.
Speaker A:Blame the Steins.
Speaker A:Okay, let's do this.
Speaker B:We are hyped tonight.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:And I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And we're going to talk about Season 10, Episode 21, Dark Dynasty.
Speaker B:But, yeah, well, but first, what have you been up to?
Speaker A:So much hotness.
Speaker A:Not that I was hot.
Speaker A:Like, it's just we are have.
Speaker A:Our heat wave is.
Speaker A:I don't know, Summer's here.
Speaker A:Whatever this is, it just is brutal.
Speaker A:And Saturday was.
Speaker A:There was a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker A:At least half of it.
Speaker A:Like, no one third of the things I did was inside.
Speaker A:But like the World Oddities Expo was here in San Antonio and I think it's a Texas thing.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:No, it's.
Speaker A:I don't know, it's the, the sideshow performers who were there were all Texas people and you know, they had two people doing blockhead tricks.
Speaker A:And blockheads is.
Speaker A:That's when someone nails a nail in their nose or like stick nail stuff up there up their head basically.
Speaker A:And then they had a sword swallower and she was really good.
Speaker A:She did a straight sword and a wavy sword and then like one that lit up so you could see it in her throat.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that one was good.
Speaker A:And let's see what else was there?
Speaker A:There were a belly dancers from Arlington and a one woman band from Houston who played harmonica, drum and guitar while she, she played.
Speaker A:So, okay, one of, one of the.
Speaker A:I think it was the mc, where it may have been the gross punk clown from Houston who said, he was saying like, you know, yeah, you should want to hang out with the sideshow performers because like those circus people, like, they're always at the gym.
Speaker A:And I was like, shut up.
Speaker A:Like, I, I resemble that remark.
Speaker A:So, yeah, so I had, you know, this week is like, I've got an aerial workshop tomorrow and I've got aerial summer camp on Monday.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And in between I'm like doing tone sessions and trying to get ready to like go do all those different circus stuff.
Speaker A:So he's not wrong.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, the sideshow performers are a lot more fun to hang out with than the people who are worried about being hungover and not being able to hang upside down.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But the Expo itself, So I was the world Oddities Expo was there.
Speaker A:And then Curious Twins put on Psychic Fest, which had the Annabelle doll from the Conjuring and the Warrens touring.
Speaker A:So that sold out.
Speaker A:Like, everybody wanted to see that dollar.
Speaker A:And so there was a lot of.
Speaker A:It was really good for them.
Speaker A:I'm glad that, you know, they.
Speaker A:They got that.
Speaker A:That monies.
Speaker A:But I just.
Speaker A:But there's also a lot of people.
Speaker A:I'm like, what the are you doing at my thing?
Speaker A:Go.
Speaker A:You go do your thing.
Speaker A:But the.
Speaker B:Your horror movie fans, not your.
Speaker B:Just your paranormal people.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But I feel like, you know, it's like the commercialization of the occult is getting to be too much.
Speaker A:So the vendors at the Oddity Expo and the vendors at the Psychic Festival, I just feel like I'm seeing the same shit, like, done over and over again.
Speaker A:It's like, here's a skull, and then I'm gonna put a butterfly on it.
Speaker A:And we're gonna put some flowers.
Speaker A:I'm gonna put in a cloche, and then we're gonna do some variation of that.
Speaker A:Or here's gonna be an animal that I see that I printed off of AI And I'm gonna put it in a Victorian hat, and I'm gonna sell you a painting of it.
Speaker A:Oh, look, here's a vampire kitty.
Speaker A:Oh, look, here's a ghost doing spooky things, you know, and it's.
Speaker A:Do something original.
Speaker A:Like, I'm just.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:I was like, I don't want to buy anything anymore.
Speaker A:Like, which is.
Speaker A:He was like, I'm done shopping at these places.
Speaker A:Like, y' all.
Speaker B:Like, it's not handmade and it's not original.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And even, like, some of the things are, like, Puerto San Antonio, like, things that were not handmade.
Speaker A:I'm like, girl, you cannot just go to that garage sale and buy that doll and put it here and say that it's haunted.
Speaker A:Like, people apparently can't, which.
Speaker A:Which is hilarious.
Speaker A:But I'm like, at least, like, do an Etsy story, right?
Speaker A:At least on Etsy, somebody, like, writes out that this doll, like, is possessed by someone who'd like to ride a Harley or whatever.
Speaker A:Like, they come up with.
Speaker A:At least they do that.
Speaker A:Like, if these things are just like, I found this doll and it's haunted and it's the $50 now.
Speaker A:You, like.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:But the $50 deserves a backstory.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:I think that's what I.
Speaker A:That's what you should be paying for.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, tell me the story.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's kind of like, all the, like, so many questions in The Q and A, like, sitting through these Q and A's.
Speaker A:There's just the specialist people and you know, like, everyone, like, so is my grandmother with me?
Speaker A:Somebody asked this and I know, I texted you.
Speaker A:Okay, look, guys, let me give you this, this, this thing.
Speaker A:If you were ever at a medium demonstration, a thing with a psychic or whatever, don't ask shit like, is my dad proud of me?
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:Nobody wants one.
Speaker A:Like, you're in a group of people.
Speaker A:Like, what did you want?
Speaker A:This is for a private con.
Speaker A:Like, maybe you have this conversation with the medium while you're having a one on one talk and you're trying to like, work through some of your grief, but while you're at a demo.
Speaker A:No, nobody wants to hear.
Speaker A:Like, think about whether you just made everybody uncomfortable.
Speaker A:Because everyone's just like.
Speaker A:And then everybody's just like, of course he is.
Speaker B:And like, what else is she gonn.
Speaker A:Or just like, is my grandma here with me?
Speaker A:Like, of course that's your grandma here with you.
Speaker A:Like, oh, the questions people ask.
Speaker A:And it's just, I don't know, I love all you little weirdos, but sometimes I judge you and you're a little much.
Speaker A:But so it was, it was a good, fun weekend.
Speaker A:And I'm just kind of dreading all the things that are happening this summer because I'm like, oh my God, that was made.
Speaker A:It was that bad.
Speaker A:At least like by when the sun went down.
Speaker A:Like, there is a big storm.
Speaker A:Storm.
Speaker A:And one of the people who was speaking said she brought the storm.
Speaker A:And because somebody said they wanted rain, she's like, are you sure?
Speaker A:And she said, yeah, so, like, it's gonna be a big thunderstorm.
Speaker A:But it was, it was a big thunderstorm.
Speaker A:I mean, the Raider also said it was gonna be a big thunderstorm, but, you know, she brought it.
Speaker A:And I will say the other thing is, the woman who said that is she has been on, you know, I'm not gonna say her name.
Speaker A:She's been in a lot of like, the paranormal shows.
Speaker A:And she said something that kind of broke my heart.
Speaker A:She said that Zach Baggins is a really, really nice dude.
Speaker A:She was like, he was so sweet.
Speaker A:He was so, so kind.
Speaker A:And like, I had to take back everything I ever said about him because he was so nice.
Speaker A:I'm like, I don't need to hear that.
Speaker A:Like, I just want to make fun of him.
Speaker A:Like, don't tell me, like, he's a nice guy.
Speaker A:He's a douchebag.
Speaker A:I want to know.
Speaker A:He's a douchebag.
Speaker A:And she's like, no, he's really nice.
Speaker B:So, you know, what can you do with that?
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:Anyway, so what about your weekend?
Speaker B:I didn't do much.
Speaker B:I didn't do much, honestly.
Speaker B:My.
Speaker B:My big outing was to go look at a house that we weren't looking to buy and go to Costco.
Speaker B:So pretty chill weekend in my world, honestly, which I think is fine.
Speaker B:I'll take it.
Speaker B:I'll take it.
Speaker B:Enough is staying busy that I will take a quiet weekend from time to time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because when you stay busy too much, you don't want to do things like your lawn and my lawn.
Speaker A:I now have all the tools to do.
Speaker B:Yeah, we had a lot of rain too, so we couldn't do our lawn.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, it does take a lot of tools to do your lawn, so.
Speaker A:Huh.
Speaker B:It does take a lot of tools to do the lawn.
Speaker B:And you have a big lawn.
Speaker A:I do have a big lawn.
Speaker A:And yeah.
Speaker A:So it'll happen.
Speaker B:But it's pool season.
Speaker B:Pool is warm enough to get in.
Speaker B:I'm ready.
Speaker A:The pool is definitely warm enough to get in.
Speaker A:That's good.
Speaker B:Go.
Speaker B:Once it breaks 80, I'm.
Speaker B:I'm like, ready.
Speaker A:But yep.
Speaker A:So it is pool weather.
Speaker A:And so at least we have that going for us as we melt and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I can never wear my hair down ever again.
Speaker A:So, anyway, so we're going to talk about this episode Duck Dynasty and Duck Dark.
Speaker A:Dynasty.
Speaker A:Sorry, not Duck Dynasty, but that's what I keep thinking.
Speaker B:It's okay.
Speaker A:Well, and according to Wiki, they're like, this is probably based on Duck Dynasty.
Speaker A:And remember that, like, what's his name from Duck Dynasty had the.
Speaker A:The food truck out at family business because he's friends with Jensen.
Speaker A:So there is that possibility of that.
Speaker A:But who knows?
Speaker A:It was season 10, episode 21.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:So all the anger and the raw of that, of what happens, blame on them and Robert Singer.
Speaker B:You want to shake people a lot in this one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And not just because we started off in Omaha.
Speaker B:No, not just because of that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We are in a medical.
Speaker A:I think it's supposed to be one of the places like, with all, like, the oceans boiling and stuff, like in retirement, like, it's supposed to be a safe.
Speaker A:Like, that's where we're supposed to be aiming to Retire to.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, apparently, like, the.
Speaker A:The infrastructure is good and the money, like, will go far there and you can get some stakes.
Speaker B:Yeah, they just.
Speaker A:They do good to me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyway, so consider moving to Omaha, Nebraska.
Speaker A:There is a building for lease.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But don't go to sign up for our clinical trials there.
Speaker A:Maybe not, but, you know, sometimes you just gotta pay your bills.
Speaker A:So there is a chick walking in with a file.
Speaker A:And like, first you're like, she's here for interview.
Speaker A:And you're like, are you here for like a job interview?
Speaker A:Like, what you doing?
Speaker B:But no, she's.
Speaker B:She's there to go see this dude in a white jacket who is in a room that looks like it might be an eye doctor office, but it's not.
Speaker B: d she's there because she has: Speaker B:So there's a study on eyesight, supposedly, so apparently.
Speaker B:And she does a bunch of clinical studies for college money.
Speaker B:And the guy's like, cool, let me look at your eyes.
Speaker B:But he's real creepy about it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He doesn't take out like, any.
Speaker A:I was like, I don't know what those things are called, the eye tools.
Speaker A:Like, is optimism.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:But he, like, grabs her by the neck and he is looking real close, but we see his Stein clan tattoo.
Speaker B:And then he gets kind of rapey.
Speaker B:And he looks like he's trying to kiss her.
Speaker A:And she's like, what?
Speaker A:Like, as soon as, like, he touched my neck, I would have been kneeing him at the ball.
Speaker A:Balls.
Speaker A:You meet him in the balls as soon as he does that.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But unfortunately she doesn't do that.
Speaker B:She does yell and try to fight him, though, but.
Speaker B:And the janitor hears it, but he slits her throat.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then he gets out a surgical melon baller.
Speaker A:I think it was a grapefruit spoon, but, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:You know, hey, we were both in the same.
Speaker B:Same.
Speaker A:It was too small to be an ice cream scoop.
Speaker B:That's why I said I thought it was a melon baller, because they have the little.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:But it does.
Speaker A:Yeah, but I mean, I imagine that thing scoops out eyes pretty good.
Speaker B:Bomb is so bad.
Speaker B:Oh, I just got like, creepy crawlies.
Speaker B:I didn't like that.
Speaker B:I literally wrote, oh, no underline.
Speaker A:They could have made this a lot worse.
Speaker A:They kind of like.
Speaker A:I feel like they could have made the eye stuff way more horrible than they did.
Speaker B:So, yes, he scoops out her eyeballs and puts him in a ice cylinder.
Speaker B:And the contact Lens case.
Speaker B:That's really weird.
Speaker B:Like, container.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm so Southern.
Speaker A:I'm putting this in a mason jar.
Speaker A:And then he jumps out the window.
Speaker A:And the way he jumps out the window, like, because the janitor, the custodian, breaks in.
Speaker B:Breaks in and sees and finds the dead chick.
Speaker B:Sees the guy in the windowsill with a backpack.
Speaker B:He's got a lab coat and a backpack.
Speaker B:Backpack.
Speaker B:It's just a really weird.
Speaker B:The whole thing is kind of bizarre, right?
Speaker A:It's so bizarre.
Speaker A:It's like when I was literally saying, what is happening?
Speaker A:Like, is it a jet pack?
Speaker A:Like, what is that?
Speaker A:Like, why?
Speaker B:Just jumps out the window.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And so then we go from this dude on the lawn to Sam's prison for Hoena.
Speaker A:That I still haven't figured.
Speaker A:I think it's a church, but I'm just calling it Sam's prison.
Speaker B:And he's yelling at her because she hasn't cracked shit.
Speaker B:She's not been able to crack this.
Speaker B:And he needs a cure because Dean is getting worse.
Speaker B:But Rowena looks fucking fantastic.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Because she's.
Speaker A:She's like, I am an artist.
Speaker A:As is demonstrated by my eyeshadow and my hair that is perfectly curled.
Speaker A:Clearly, I am a witch.
Speaker A:And Sam's just like, you're stalling.
Speaker A:And she was like, look, there are all these things of the problems, but the real problem is that Nadia was a selfish pig and she coded the code.
Speaker B:And I need groceries.
Speaker B:So also snacks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Sam's just like, work faster.
Speaker A:I'm like, sam, that's.
Speaker A:When does that work?
Speaker A:Like, you're not a good.
Speaker A:Work faster is not a good motivator, Mr.
Speaker A:Winchester.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker B:We get to go to Shreveport, Louisiana, to the.
Speaker A:Shreveport is of Shreveport.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And this big yellow house.
Speaker A:Probably the only nice house in Shreveport.
Speaker B:I was gonna say, this is not Shreveport.
Speaker A:No, there's rich people in Shreveport.
Speaker A:They're just a very small little area.
Speaker B:And they do not rest in Shreveport.
Speaker A:No, they are not in the gambling casinos with them.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:Not in this report.
Speaker B:Casinos?
Speaker A:No, no, they own those.
Speaker B:Well, we have now met.
Speaker B:Our lab coat dude that.
Speaker B:That scoops eyeballs is named Elden.
Speaker B:And he is getting chewed out by Monroe because we are going to our full Southern gentleman names now.
Speaker A:And he's clearly, like, this elder of his clan, and everybody's, like, really afraid of him.
Speaker A:And he's doing, like, super, super Southern dad authoritarian crap that just, like, triggers me.
Speaker B:Well, he does chew out Eldon for getting rapey.
Speaker A:At least he does that.
Speaker A:But it's just this whole, like, you know, like, you're not gonna be my son and heir, and you'll be a lab rat because you don't have any discipline.
Speaker A:And, you know, like.
Speaker A:And the guy's like, but Jacob's dead.
Speaker A:Like, you can't use that as excuse.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we've got Eldon gets chewed by Monroe.
Speaker B:And Monroe's like, go unfuck what you did in Omaha because you left behind a goddamn witness.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And go find those rascally Winchesters.
Speaker B:Yeah, and go find those guys, too, because they killed Jacob.
Speaker B:And Eli pops off because he's like, after Elton stuff's done, he's like, well, why we trust Eldon if I could?
Speaker B:He's got bad judgment.
Speaker B:Blah, blah.
Speaker A:I get them so confused.
Speaker B:And then, yeah, Monroe's like, but weren't you supposed to be chest tracking Charlie?
Speaker B:What the are you doing, bud?
Speaker B:And he's like, oh, oopsies.
Speaker B:So he gets kind of shamed, but Eldon hurt him.
Speaker B:So now we got.
Speaker B:Eldon and Eli are, like, gonna be.
Speaker A:At each other's throats because of course they're competitive.
Speaker A:For daddy's love.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker A:What the ever.
Speaker A:So we go from there to the bunker, and Sam comes in, and Dean is looking at his computer.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, what you got, chick?
Speaker A:Like, why you always run it off on your own, man?
Speaker B:And Sam's trying to play it off, and he's like, oh, it's totally normal that I do this.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, no, it's not, bud.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So Sam changes the subject instead of, look over there.
Speaker B:And Dean has been researching the Steins.
Speaker B: popped up as a family in the: Speaker A: ple change their names in the: Speaker A:Like, especially, like, they were like, we no longer want to be the Steins, because, I don't know, the signs could be as associated with something.
Speaker A:And so maybe you want to become the Berenstein.
Speaker A:And then people would be like, no, it was Baron Steins.
Speaker A:I remember it was being the Berenstein's the whole time.
Speaker A:And people were like, no, it was the Steins.
Speaker A:And then be like, that's the Mandela effect.
Speaker A:Anyway, so then.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But Dean has also found beyond just popping up, they have done other things.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're.
Speaker B:They're involved with a lot of bad, which Jacob had told him, but he's basically able to confirm this.
Speaker B:So in the midst of all of that, he has found A case which is this murder in Omaha.
Speaker B:And the with the eyes cut out of this woman and the killer jumped out of a third story window.
Speaker B:Sam is not convinced that it's a case, but he's like, fine, I'll fucking go with you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:At least we don't have to do the back and forth on this so much.
Speaker A:But Dean's just like, all right.
Speaker A:Like rock.
Speaker A:At least he doesn't go relieving now, now.
Speaker A:And he is like, we're gonna get some sleep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But of course, Sam doesn't do that.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:He goes to meet Charlie in a park in the night, in the middle of the night in a mysterious car.
Speaker B:And then tells her that Dean's not getting any better.
Speaker B:But he got this codex.
Speaker B:And I never burned the Book of the Dead, by the way.
Speaker B:Oopsies.
Speaker B:And Charlie rightfully is pissed.
Speaker B:She's like, you're lying to Dean again.
Speaker B:Y' all know this doesn't go well.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:She speaks for all of us when she says, geez, the two of you?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then Sam's like, oh, by the way, also, you're gonna be working with one of the most dangerous witches in the world.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You've got to help decode this.
Speaker B:And who else to decode it but her?
Speaker B:And you're gonna do it.
Speaker B:Go work with this dangerous ass witch behind Dean's back.
Speaker A:And once again, to make these stakes high, he's just like, it's all Dean's only chance.
Speaker A:Like, he's going fast.
Speaker A:We've got to do this.
Speaker A:Like, we gotta do this for Dean.
Speaker A:He keeps pushing on this.
Speaker A:I'm like, I think Dean looks fine.
Speaker A:So we go to back to this hideout.
Speaker A:And Rowena does not want an assistant.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:And Charlie's like, I'm not your assistant.
Speaker B:You're mine.
Speaker B:And I'm going to open my Microsoft Surface because that's what's going to solve this.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:And I have made so many apps on this thing that has the RAM that is run by a hamster in a wheel.
Speaker A:Wheel.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But somehow all these things work.
Speaker A:And that's because that's what they were selling that week in on the CW or whoever owned the show at the time.
Speaker A:So then Cass comes in.
Speaker B:No, I do.
Speaker B:Like before he comes in.
Speaker B:We do get her.
Speaker B:Charlie's clarification.
Speaker B:I'm not a witch.
Speaker B:I'm a nerd.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam is calling it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Sam has called it all the things.
Speaker B:So now we've got cast there.
Speaker B:And he is apparently there as their spiritual Guard to safeguard, you know, and referee and whatever else needs to be done.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, because Rowena wants to know if he's a witch or a nerd.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's it.
Speaker A:He says, angel.
Speaker A:Beg your pardon?
Speaker A:It's so funny.
Speaker A:So get together.
Speaker B:And Romina, they're like, well, what the first rules.
Speaker B:Don't tell your brother about what we're doing.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:And she is literally cackling.
Speaker A:And it's so great.
Speaker A:And it's just Sam so mad, and she's just.
Speaker A:Oh, I.
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:It's good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And can't.
Speaker A:Now cast is upset because now there's just like.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:What do you mean?
Speaker A:She doesn't know.
Speaker A:It's never as well.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Charlie's like, I told them.
Speaker B:I know it doesn't end well.
Speaker B:And sounds like it's the only way.
Speaker A:He gives us my talk, and then, like, somehow, like, they all buy into this shit.
Speaker B:So weird.
Speaker B:And I don't even know it's a story plot line, but still, it's dumb.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So everybody but Rowena agrees to do it for.
Speaker A:For Dean.
Speaker A:Her name is not.
Speaker A:Because she barely knows the man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so we cut to hell, and.
Speaker A:Crowley is playing darts with the wackey.
Speaker A:Literally.
Speaker B:Literally.
Speaker B:And he is interrupted by one of his minions.
Speaker B:Well, two of his minions come in, and one is reporting that he wished he had good news.
Speaker B:However, like.
Speaker B:Like, they wish it has good news.
Speaker B:Like something like Missouri has boils, but instead is that mother is missing.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And then one of them gets stabbed and the other gets sent off to find.
Speaker B:Use.
Speaker A:Find.
Speaker A:Go find Rowena.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:With the.
Speaker B:With her message that sometimes killing the messenger does happen.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:Tends to happen a lot in hell.
Speaker A:I'm just saying be careful.
Speaker A:When I said toll.
Speaker A:Crowd.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then the other minion gets.
Speaker A:Bullseye.
Speaker A:Bullseye.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm speaking up past 10,000 words now.
Speaker A:All right, so we go back from there to the Omaha.
Speaker A:To the Omaha.
Speaker A:Like, I don't like Omaha.
Speaker A:Because the Omaha.
Speaker A:Oh, let's venture to the Omaha next weekend.
Speaker A:And the boys have dressed up as.
Speaker A:As feds.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the age.
Speaker A:The building manager.
Speaker A:Is that what he is?
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a building manager who's being very forthcoming.
Speaker A:He is so helpful.
Speaker A:And I mean, so, so very helpful.
Speaker A:And he's just like, here is all my security footage.
Speaker A:And it is such a good app of a security footage that you can zoom in on this to, like, whatever you really.
Speaker B:Good quality.
Speaker A:Like, just any result you pixelated.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:You could see this man's tattoo.
Speaker B:And you can see the Stein tattoo.
Speaker B:And so now Sam and Dean are convinced this is a case.
Speaker B:And we see the craziness of Eldon Landing from this three story jump.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:The cartooniness of these signs.
Speaker A:Who this, like, are cartoon characters.
Speaker A:I'm convinced.
Speaker A:And then Sam's phone rings.
Speaker A:And of course he plays it off like it's a telemarketer.
Speaker B:Nobody believes you.
Speaker A:Why don't you just say it's Cass?
Speaker A:Like, I don't understand.
Speaker A:Answer your phone.
Speaker A:Cast is your friend.
Speaker A:Like, you're a bad liar.
Speaker A:Stop lying.
Speaker A:If you're a liar at it, become a better deceiver.
Speaker A:Sam.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Well, they leave to go poke around and try to figure this out.
Speaker B:But Eldon.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I thought that was Eli.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Oh, I thought it was Eldon.
Speaker B:No, it's Eldon because he knows the building guy.
Speaker B:He knows the building manager.
Speaker B:And he's like, what did you say?
Speaker B:He's like, I didn't say anything.
Speaker B:And then he stops him.
Speaker A:So that dude's gone.
Speaker A:We get back to our hideout where Charlie is working on her algorithm while Rowena throws those bones.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So very different approaches to similar.
Speaker A:I'm not sure.
Speaker A:What should I do?
Speaker A:Probably a combo of both.
Speaker A:Like, I'd probably be throwing bones on my tablet.
Speaker B:Well, the growing is laughing at the use of the computer because she's too old school for that and uses nature.
Speaker B:And Charlie's like, I'm trying to find patterns, so it's fine.
Speaker B:Castiel arrives with snacks.
Speaker B:And apparently he is a fan of pork rinds and.
Speaker A:But the ladies do not seem to be.
Speaker A:To be impressed.
Speaker B:Not impressed.
Speaker B:It depends.
Speaker B:Yeah, I only like the hot and spicy ones.
Speaker A:And it's gotta be the right mood.
Speaker A:Like, a lot of times it just makes me feel gross.
Speaker A:Like, because I don't want to eat pig skin.
Speaker A:Like it's.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, it just.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:So Charlie then is like, all right, tell me about Agnes.
Speaker A:And she's like, she was a hermit nun.
Speaker A:And I'm like, oh, really?
Speaker A:Tell me more.
Speaker A:What was it like?
Speaker A:Did she have to stay in her womb?
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:Did you get to take a vow of silence?
Speaker A:Do people not talk to her?
Speaker A:Like, tell me more.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But apparently she was mad as a hatter, which also sounds like me.
Speaker A:But so.
Speaker B:But she could undo curses.
Speaker B:But it was balance.
Speaker A:And that makes sense, right?
Speaker A:I mean, especially in the world.
Speaker A:Perception of magic.
Speaker A:You know, generally there's a balance of things.
Speaker A:You know what you do good, you need Evil.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A: harlie is like, oh, it's like: Speaker A:Nothing's fine, Mary, except correlation.
Speaker B:And then, oh, and we also find.
Speaker A:Out that Agnes was burned by the church hierarchy because she was ahead of.
Speaker B:Her time and considered to be a rogue nun.
Speaker A:So, yeah, rogue nun, title of my next album.
Speaker A:So we're next sex tape.
Speaker B:So Rowena compares herself and Charlie.
Speaker B:Like, both of us ahead of our time and rogue.
Speaker B:And Castiel is like, this is awkward.
Speaker B:I'm gonna leave these snacks and walk away.
Speaker B:But Charlie's like, no, I don't really see any similarities between you and me, Rowena.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:And, like, because you're young, redheads is like, well, because you're young and good and I'm ancient and evil.
Speaker B:Come on.
Speaker B:And then, like, lists like, the difficult, lonely childhood tragedy.
Speaker B:Sexually progressive and live in their, you know, living there and, like, all this kind of stuff.
Speaker B:And the balance between good and evil is flexible.
Speaker B:And calls Char.
Speaker B:She calls Charlie foolish for making the Winchesters family because of her loyalty, her blind devotion.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:But she reads Charlie to a T.
Speaker A:She's just like, I got your number.
Speaker A:Like, bum, bum.
Speaker A:Charlie, no.
Speaker A:Shut.
Speaker A:Why are you being right?
Speaker A:But the thing about, you know, the Winchesters being a substitute for family for Charlie is completely accurate.
Speaker A:And also, I mean, and not to foreshadow what's going to happen, but we're talking about an episode I think you all have watched.
Speaker A:I don't think you're gonna go through this, But, I mean, she was like, this will be undoing.
Speaker A:And so we're foreshadowing that here.
Speaker A:But also, like, just in his Winchester history.
Speaker A:She's not wrong, you know, like, they tend to be the downfall of people who are loyal to them.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker A:So from there, it's a baby.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam is asking Dean why the Steins are collecting eyeballs.
Speaker A:Why are they up to their literal eyeballs and murder.
Speaker B:And Dean's just like, well, as long as they can't get their hands on the book, we're fine.
Speaker B:And so, so happy.
Speaker A:You burned that, Sam.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Good job.
Speaker B:Good job.
Speaker A:Way to go.
Speaker B:So Sam's like, oh, be.
Speaker B:Speaking of, how are you feeling, Dean?
Speaker B:And Dean's like, well, you know, just these dark thoughts and creepy visions.
Speaker B:But, you know, at least I've got this murder to focus on.
Speaker B:It's cool.
Speaker B:It's cool.
Speaker A:And Elder is on their tail while this is happening.
Speaker A:And somehow, like, both of them are eating and not getting food over themselves.
Speaker A:Which I just don't understand how.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And baby's gonna smell like that food.
Speaker B:No, that's my.
Speaker B:It's like French fries and, like, sandwiches.
Speaker B:That's the worst.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we go from there back to.
Speaker B:The bunker where Castiel is now trying to call Sam.
Speaker B:But Dean answers the phone because Sam left his phone sitting there like a dum dum.
Speaker B:If you're trying to keep secrets.
Speaker A:And that's how your girlfriend catches you, man.
Speaker A:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:Because, Charlie, you didn't change Cass's name to somebody else?
Speaker A:Cass's name didn't say telemarketer.
Speaker A:It's like, yeah.
Speaker B:Damn, he should have done that.
Speaker B:Charlie and Rowena are fighting, and Castiel is a terrible liar.
Speaker B:He's a worse liar than Sam and is not really able to pull this off.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:But it's so awkward and wonderful as he.
Speaker A:Like, at least his lies are so much more enjoyable because they're so robotic.
Speaker A:And he's just like, this call is pointless.
Speaker A:My rides here.
Speaker B:So Sam comes in.
Speaker B:He's like, dean, it's your turn to get groceries or something because we're out of food in the kitchen.
Speaker B:And, oh, by the way, that's my phone.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Have you talked to cast recently?
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, it's been a while.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, I wonder what he's up to.
Speaker A:Dude, just say yes.
Speaker A:Why don't you say yes?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Why don't you say yeah?
Speaker A:He said he's gonna call me stupid.
Speaker A:You're bad.
Speaker A:Liar.
Speaker A:You cannot cheat on your girlfriend.
Speaker B:So, so bad.
Speaker A:We go.
Speaker A:So Dean's got.
Speaker A:He's super sus now.
Speaker A:He's like, something is going on.
Speaker A:I'm not this stupid, Sam.
Speaker A:You suck at lying.
Speaker A:And we go from there back to hell, where Crowley is talking to our mouse witch.
Speaker B:Yeah, he is conferring.
Speaker B:All of it.
Speaker B:Yeah, he is speaking to all of that.
Speaker B:Is she mouse or hamster?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Rodent wrote it.
Speaker A:Yeah, she thinks she's a hamster.
Speaker B:So all of.
Speaker B:Yeah, all of that.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The hamster.
Speaker B:Olivet is giving probably some intel on Rowena, which is amazing, is what she said.
Speaker A:And apparently that meant that Rowena put snakes in someone's bed, probably hers.
Speaker A:And that she also had a messy workstation.
Speaker B:But beyond be her being unpleasant and horrible, she had a demon lover.
Speaker A:And something else.
Speaker B:So Crowley takes some notes, and our minion appears.
Speaker B:And Crowley says, find the person.
Speaker B:Find the name of.
Speaker B:Find this person whose name I Just wrote on this piece of paper.
Speaker A:So he goes off to find me, and then we cut to pizza, and Dean is picking up their piece in a very dark alley.
Speaker A:Where are you getting your pizza from?
Speaker B:Super weird pizza place.
Speaker A:Very, very dangerous pizza place.
Speaker B:I love.
Speaker B:I love underground food as much as the next person.
Speaker B:You find some great spots, like.
Speaker A:But this is a little back alley pizza here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know about back alley pizza, but he gets blocked in by an Escalade on one side and some luxury sedan on the other side.
Speaker B:And so he fires a.
Speaker B:An Eldon's there and Eli.
Speaker B:So Dean.
Speaker B:Or I think it's Eli or it's somebody else.
Speaker B:Either way.
Speaker A:See, I don't know.
Speaker B:There's like, Ellen's one of them.
Speaker B:I can't tell if it's Eli or somebody else.
Speaker A:I think it's somebody else.
Speaker A:Different.
Speaker A:I feel like it's a different douchebag.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:So Dean shoots a shot from his gun into the air as, like, a warning.
Speaker B:You don't do that.
Speaker A:Dean doesn't do that.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know what's happening.
Speaker A:And then, like, they fight.
Speaker A:He loses his gun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And one guy gets, you know, he loses his gun.
Speaker B:Eldon gets Dean by the throat, lifts him off the ground because he's super strong, apparently.
Speaker B:But Dean manages to fight back and get a knife to Eldon's throat.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker A:Whoever.
Speaker A:Well, this dude's a Stein Stein dude.
Speaker A:And then we go from there back to our hideout.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker B:She's going crazy and she can't even think.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:Cass is like.
Speaker B:Well, she is like a wicked witch by definition.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But Charlie's like, look, this.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I need a break.
Speaker B:I need.
Speaker B:I need my Said to get out of here for a minute.
Speaker B:And my brain feels like.
Speaker B:My mind feels like a wad of gummy worms.
Speaker B:I think is how she describes it.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Which also made me want a gummy worm.
Speaker B:So not gonna be worms on no to say not together.
Speaker A:Unless it was a dessert pizza.
Speaker A:All right, so then we go to the bunker where the sign has been strung up.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And in our.
Speaker B:We are in the file cabinet dungeon, but they've changed them up by one arm.
Speaker B:It's kind of weird, right?
Speaker B:He's chained the ceiling by one arm.
Speaker A:I mean, I know her plot, but, you know, like, why, oh, did you run?
Speaker A:Did you only have one chain?
Speaker A:Did you?
Speaker A:Like, not like someone forgot to go to the store and buy the other one to replace it from the last time they got broken.
Speaker A:Like, the last time somebody ripped him off the wall.
Speaker A:I think it was Dean.
Speaker A:Like, did they only have, like, one left?
Speaker A:And they're like, like, okay, somebody order that?
Speaker A:And they just didn't get around to it.
Speaker A:So anyway, so he also knows about the Marco Kane on his arm.
Speaker A:He's like, oh, I see it.
Speaker A:It's real.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that tells why they wanted the book.
Speaker B:He knows that that's why Sam and Dean wanted the book.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, well, we're gonna put you guys out of business.
Speaker A:He says, their family business is putting guys like you out of business.
Speaker A:Which does not go as well on a T shirt as saving people hunting things.
Speaker B:And Eldon's like, his family business is over their heads.
Speaker B:Because their family is vast.
Speaker B:And they have power and intelligence and will, and they.
Speaker B:The book facilitates it all.
Speaker B:Everything from the stock market crashes to recessions to nine, eleven and Arab Spring.
Speaker B:And then Sam's like, why?
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:And he's like, you've got to be in it to win it.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:Chaos brings fear, which brings panic, which brings, you know, desperation and profit.
Speaker A:People profit off of people's pain.
Speaker A:They do that.
Speaker A:People suck.
Speaker B:So they're in the fix it biz.
Speaker A:The thing is.
Speaker B:Oh, God, they haven't had the book for 80 years.
Speaker A:Eight years.
Speaker B:Eight.
Speaker A:I think he said eight.
Speaker A:I thought you said eight.
Speaker B:Well, Sam is gonna go answer the phone because Castiel is calling him again.
Speaker B:So Dean gets to continue the monologue.
Speaker B:Let continue convincing Eldon to monologue.
Speaker B:And he's open to doing it.
Speaker B:He's going to tell about the eyeballs.
Speaker B:He used to be like, yeah, I usually don't.
Speaker B:We don't leave a body behind.
Speaker B:When we harvest, we do bioengineering and implants.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What just happened here?
Speaker B:This took a turn.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And he pulls up his shirt and he.
Speaker B:Because he has a hand free to do that, which is convenient.
Speaker B:And he shows he has a giant scar up his stomach, up his whole torso.
Speaker B:Apparently he has two hearts.
Speaker B:Extra muscles in his legs.
Speaker B:And every man in his family has a little extra something.
Speaker A:Not the women, just the men.
Speaker B:Yeah, I noticed that too.
Speaker B:I thought that was weird, right?
Speaker A:That was a very melee family.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And apparently it's their.
Speaker B:Their family name was changed like you suggested earlier.
Speaker B:But instead of the Berensteins, it was the Frankenstein.
Speaker A:Frankenstein.
Speaker A:Stein Steen.
Speaker B:The house of Frankenstein.
Speaker A:House of Frankenstein.
Speaker A:Steen which was a fun play to see on Broadway.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:We are in.
Speaker B:I just want to do that.
Speaker A:So we go back to our hideout, where Rowena and Charlie are going at it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Cass is like, I.
Speaker B:I need to take Charlie somewhere.
Speaker B:I have to.
Speaker B:Nothing's getting done.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, you can't.
Speaker B:You can't leave Rowena alone.
Speaker B:But, like, Sam's been leaving her alone, so why the does this matter now?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's confusing.
Speaker A:But he's also saying more like, he was like, you know, people are after Charlie, but Charlie, you just met her in a parking lot in the middle of the night.
Speaker A:Like, I.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:Well, no, now he knows the signs are around again.
Speaker B:And here's the thing.
Speaker B:I think, by the way, it's weird that he can't.
Speaker B:Like, why wouldn't Cass be able to leave with Charlie and leave Rowena alone?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:That's what's weird to me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I think he was, like, cast was supposed to be watching that Rowena didn't do witchy stuff.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, anyways, so then we go back to the bunker, where Dean is like, nah, give away the Frankenstein that's just made up.
Speaker B:But Elton has the answer.
Speaker B:He's like, no, Mary Shelley was, like, a family friend, and she, like, totally, like, stumbled in on our story, and that's why she.
Speaker B:And he's like, well, why wouldn't she go public?
Speaker B:He's like, she wrote a book.
Speaker B:Isn't that public enough?
Speaker A:Which is why.
Speaker B:Kind of funny.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:I was like, okay.
Speaker B:I was like, okay.
Speaker B:Okay, good.
Speaker B:Good cover, bro.
Speaker B:I appreciate that for the time.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But Dean's still kind of unconvinced.
Speaker B:He's like, man, I don't know about this.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And so Elden is gonna kind of mock Dean's family at this point and about being expendable and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker B:But Dean's gonna turn it.
Speaker B:He's like, well, who.
Speaker B:Who's Big Daddy Frankenstein?
Speaker B:Then in all of this.
Speaker B:And Eldon.
Speaker B:Now Eldon's kind of getting, like, a little evasive.
Speaker B:He's like, oh, they're all underground.
Speaker B:And Elton's like, well, I want the book.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, no, we burned it.
Speaker B:And Elton's like, no, no, you.
Speaker B:You literally can't.
Speaker B:It doesn't burn.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:Wrong.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:The light bulb just went off in Dean's head.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:Finally.
Speaker A:Finally, he puts it together.
Speaker B:So Dean goes the hallway to confront Sam, and Sam lies poorly and Right.
Speaker B:When Dean's about to ask him something else, we hear a noise in the background.
Speaker B:They run to investigate.
Speaker B:And Eldon has ripped his own arm off.
Speaker A:That was why there was only one shackle.
Speaker B:Oh, gosh.
Speaker A:So he is just like ripped it off or chewed it off.
Speaker A:Like I don't know if it was attached well to begin with, but yeah.
Speaker A:So it's gone.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just got a little hand and forearm dangling, that's all.
Speaker B:No big.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker B:Then we go back to the jail.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:The holding hideout, the holding area.
Speaker B:Cassiel is pulling Rowena into this side room, which by the way, they didn't.
Speaker B:They had this the whole time.
Speaker B:They weren't using it.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:And he's gonna change them in different rooms.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:If they weren't getting along, just go.
Speaker A:In the other room and shut the door.
Speaker A:Charlie.
Speaker B:Yeah, for real.
Speaker B:And Charlie is.
Speaker B:Anyway, so she takes Romana the separate room and Charlie wants her quiet time.
Speaker B:That's what he tells Rowena.
Speaker A:And Rowena accuses her of being a prima donna.
Speaker A:And then Cass chains her to a wall, which I little bdsme for this, but as you know, he's chaining her to a wall.
Speaker A:We're going to talk about other witches being chained to walls or imprisoned or whatever.
Speaker A:It's time for some lore.
Speaker A:So we're going back to our story of Rosaline Norton.
Speaker A:The witches of King's Cross in Australia.
Speaker A: in this time we're now in the: Speaker A:And one of whom was a 17 year old new Zealand girl named Anna Hoffman.
Speaker A:And she arrived in Sydney as a stowaway on a ship run by drag queens.
Speaker A:At least that's how she told it.
Speaker A:And she came to King's Cross with only the name and address of the Arabian Coffee Bar Bar.
Speaker A:And she found her way to this 24 hour coffee shop.
Speaker A:And there on the wall hung some of Rosalie.
Speaker A:I keep wanting to call her Rowena.
Speaker A:Some of Roe's paintings, including the infamous Black Magic.
Speaker A:The one with the naked woman hugging a super sexy black panther.
Speaker A:The cat.
Speaker A:Not a militant activist.
Speaker A:So Anna had to meet Rosalie.
Speaker A:She's like, I gotta see who.
Speaker A:Like this woman who loves panthers.
Speaker A:And everyone talked about how she was a witch and you know, maybe she could learn some.
Speaker A:Some spells.
Speaker A:So she convinced a friend to make an introduction and she became a self described pest hanging around her parties and making her well known.
Speaker A:Etc.
Speaker A:So Rowee like did teach her some spells.
Speaker A:She said that she taught her a spell how to stop blood from like bleeding, which I think is a pretty.
Speaker B:Good spell, a very useful spell.
Speaker A:I would really like to know the blood clotting spells, Right.
Speaker A:Can you please tell me what that is?
Speaker B:I'm sure a lot of hemophiliacs would like to know.
Speaker A:This doctor would like to know like the surgery generally.
Speaker A:Generally, I think that we could share that knowledge with the world.
Speaker A:So beyond that, Anna was also sure that Rosaline could curse somebody.
Speaker A:She wanted to.
Speaker A:When asked if rowing looked witchy, Anna said, well, Anna liked to dress in black.
Speaker A:Rosaleen Rowie dressed family in bright colors, silk kimonos and red skirts, which still she had a witchy look.
Speaker A:Book, right?
Speaker A:So one night, a Constable Iken stopped Anna outside the Hasty Tasty where she was hanging out with reputed criminals, AKA gay men.
Speaker A:A reminder from a couple of episodes ago, fraternizing with criminals violated the vacancy act, right?
Speaker A:And according to Eichen, when he approached him, Anna first cursed him.
Speaker A:May the evil eye of Buddha follow you around the rest of your life.
Speaker A:Life, which is this really like, it's a reminder.
Speaker A:There is a time where we just didn't like, people knew such little about religion.
Speaker A:Like, people like thought, like, could think, like Buddhism was like, they're like the devil and like, you know, like the evil eye of Buddha's gonna curse it.
Speaker A:The like.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I was like, I'm very confused by this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And then when he asked her why she was hanging around these criminals, she said, I got caught in the drag party with the python lady.
Speaker A:But she is lovely.
Speaker A:She added disparagingly, not like you, you big coarse thing.
Speaker A:And there was a queen in King's Cross at the time who liked to have a 10 foot python, which is not a euphemism for anything at parties.
Speaker A:Just like.
Speaker A:And there was.
Speaker A:I found an article, one of the papers where it's hot, but it was just like late.
Speaker A:It was laid across the floor.
Speaker A:And like, no, thank you.
Speaker A:I'm not going to this party with the ten foot snake laid across the floor.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:I pass.
Speaker A:So then apparently, according to this, this police officer, she said, I can't stand this life any longer.
Speaker A:I've got no money and have to bludge for food by providing company to men.
Speaker A:I haven't eaten for days.
Speaker A:Please quote unquote, vag me while I'm still sane.
Speaker A:I tried looking up slang for Australian for the word vag and I got nowhere because, well, you can't look up Australian Slang for vag.
Speaker A:And just.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:Yeah, so whatever that meant.
Speaker A:I think that meant just like, take me away.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Then she told him that she was this up because she'd gone to a black mass, you know, sex orgies and practices.
Speaker A:And that is why she wore all black clothing.
Speaker A:The sign of the black cult.
Speaker A:And also she was living at a Victoria street flat which she said she knew was a haunt for perverts.
Speaker A:But since she pawned her violin two weeks ago, the only outlet I have was.
Speaker A:Is with queers.
Speaker A:Then he arrested her for indecent language and vagrancy.
Speaker A:Now, according to Anna, she was being harassed because the police were after Roe for hanging those obscene paintings.
Speaker A:And the cop said to her, we are sick of you.
Speaker A:You and your law.
Speaker A:Rosaline Norton, the witch.
Speaker A:And of course I stood up for her and said, she's not a witch.
Speaker A:She's an occultist, a pantheist.
Speaker A:She's a very clever person and she's a wonderful artist.
Speaker A:And then he said, well, we've had enough.
Speaker A:The lot of you in the van.
Speaker A:I'm not sure which version is true.
Speaker B:Or somewhere in the middle.
Speaker A:Maybe somewhere in the middle.
Speaker A:Maya will also say that the paintings that she was talking about getting Char, like Rosaline does, get the owner of that paint, that of that shop gets.
Speaker A:Gets charged for those paintings.
Speaker A:And it's after this.
Speaker A:So I'm pretty sure that's why I'm like, maybe you may have misremembered some things here, Miss Anna.
Speaker A:So whichever version was true, the newspapers loved this.
Speaker A:And they're running articles like sex worship, part of the King's Cross cult.
Speaker A:That article claimed that Rosaline said there was over a hundred devil worshipers in Sydney, but their rituals were secret.
Speaker A:But we do take herbs and drugs as stimulants.
Speaker A:We drink them like tea.
Speaker A:We don't inhale them.
Speaker A:The drugs are not dangerous and are illegal.
Speaker A:Another article said witchcraft cult said operating within Sydney.
Speaker A:It was reported that the ritual was conducted before a painted altar, at the back of which was a mural of the horn God Pan.
Speaker A:During the rights, the newspapers claimed a naked girl was placed before the altar and a live rooster sacrificed over.
Speaker A:Over her.
Speaker A:Reporters quoted Rosaline as saying, we practice witchcraft at King's Cross, but none of this Black Mass stuff.
Speaker A:There are about 100 followers of Pan and Sydney.
Speaker A:We indulge in rituals with robes and incenses.
Speaker A:Incense.
Speaker A:But there are no sacrifices, not even animal sacrifices.
Speaker A:So the Mirror, they had a special report.
Speaker A:Court is shocked by stories of black magic and sex orgies.
Speaker A:This newspaper reported That a squat squared face.
Speaker A:Anna Karina Hoffman.
Speaker A:These papers were just so rude back then.
Speaker A:Like anytime they described like a woman, like her face was square and squat.
Speaker A:Fuck you man.
Speaker A:Like so rude.
Speaker A:So they said that she told a shots gallery about self confessed Satanists who mocked the Christian mass and had sex orgies of unholy devotion.
Speaker A:They said a probe exposed a group of black magic adherents who prostrated themselves before an altar kissing and caressing a skull, mocked the Christian, Christian communion by drinking whiskey before the altar, parodied the Lord's Prayer and indulged in unrestrained orgies.
Speaker A:Like what's a restrained orgy?
Speaker A:Like, I'm pretty sure that's an oxymoron, right?
Speaker A:Like I was like, oh sorry sir, there's only going to be three allowed at this orgy today.
Speaker A:Will you please keep your shoes on?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like so Anna, though after all the testimony and everything that she was still convicted of vagrancy and sent to prison for two months with added psychological observations.
Speaker A:And the judge in the back was said that she was a menace.
Speaker A:And by the time she was released though she becomes somewhat of a celebrity because of all these things are going on.
Speaker A:But she's still only like probably 18 at this time.
Speaker A:She's just a kid so.
Speaker A:And she'd like already see like she the interview listener, she's a very interesting side person.
Speaker A:Like her life had already been involved in like a mass murder in New Zealand.
Speaker A:Like things were already weird for this girl.
Speaker A:So but you know, so she was getting attention.
Speaker A:Rowie was also getting attention, but not necessarily great ones.
Speaker A:Like the vice squad still had a thing for her and they really kind of were in like anybody who wasn't in a Leave it to Beaver type of lifestyle.
Speaker A:The Police Commissioner Colin Delaney had declared homosexuality to be Australia's greatest menace.
Speaker A:Highly recommend.
Speaker A:Listen to the podcast of the same name and I'll tell you more about Delaney and the secret prison that Australia was sending game into in the 50s.
Speaker A:It's bonkers and just really well done, but go some of that.
Speaker A:So after you listen to this, don't, don't stop this.
Speaker B:No, no, no, don't pause.
Speaker A:So, but it's a follow up.
Speaker A:So anyhow.
Speaker A:So Delaney's vice squad was all over King's Cross looking for perverts.
Speaker A:And on his quest for public decency, one of their detectives, Sergeant Roy McDonald, arrested the owner of the Cashmere Cafe for violating obscenity laws by displaying 29 of Rosaline's paintings.
Speaker A:The tourists were so offended.
Speaker A:So we're gonna so offended.
Speaker A:We're gonna fast forward that case in time because it was another obscenity case.
Speaker A:Pretty much same thing.
Speaker A:Judge wanted to take them home and compare them to da Vinci again or something like some crap.
Speaker A:Like, I'm like, yeah, sure.
Speaker A:Like I'm gonna take these home and look at these in my bathroom in private just so I can tell if they're art or not.
Speaker A:So he found three paintings.
Speaker A:Of course, Black Magic was obscene because, damn, she hugs that real tight.
Speaker A:And Beelzebub and Belphegor were the other two, and they were found to be in breach of the Obscene and Indecent Publication Act.
Speaker A:He described the picture Black Magic as lewd, lustful and arranged erotic.
Speaker A:Mr.
Speaker A:Dash added, I deem that all three pictures emphasize matters of sex unduly and as tending to corrupt the morals of unsophisticated members of the general public.
Speaker A:And in consequence, they are obscene.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:So three of those get done and there's a little.
Speaker A:A little thing will happen that we'll talk about next time.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But besides the attention of the police and the press, she was also attracting con men.
Speaker A:Two such men, France.
Speaker A:Yes, of course.
Speaker A:Francis Horner and Raymond Ager decided to sneak into a party at her house and they stole a roll of film.
Speaker A:Now, what they found and the consequences will be told next week in our conclusion to the Witch of Kings Cross.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:That's just rude.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, you should break the.
Speaker A:Break in somebody's house to steal their.
Speaker A:To do what they're doing, we had to steal.
Speaker A:Don't steal people.
Speaker A:Don't be a dick.
Speaker A:Yeah, don't tell people you went to Black Masses.
Speaker A:If you went to a Black Mass, you keep that to yourself.
Speaker A:I mean, you can invite people to the Black Mass with you, but you don't tell the cops that you went to a Black Mass.
Speaker A:Don't tell the court you were worshiping Satan, especially when you weren't.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, don't lie about worshiping the Dark Lord.
Speaker A:Nobody likes that.
Speaker A:Anyhow, so we will return.
Speaker A:I think next week will be.
Speaker A:We'll probably do the conclusion next.
Speaker A:Next week.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:It's a big piece.
Speaker A:We may.
Speaker A:I may break it into that.
Speaker A:And then we still have a season finale, so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is always going to be our trivia.
Speaker A:So we may do like a Lore and trivia.
Speaker A:Diana, start studying now.
Speaker A:Start looking through, like, all the things.
Speaker B:I'll forget between now and then.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker A:I know, but I always have time to study.
Speaker B:And I'll remember.
Speaker B:Too late.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Guys.
Speaker A:So we have left a Rowena chain to a wall.
Speaker A:And Cass is excusing Charlie being overwhelmed because of her betrayal.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:But he's gonna have to go out.
Speaker B:This is also when Rowena shares with Castiel who her son is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she's like.
Speaker A:Because she's like, wait until you have children.
Speaker A:They'll betray you.
Speaker A:And he was like, you have a child.
Speaker A:And then she's like, yeah, it's only the King of Hell.
Speaker A:And he's like, crap.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then he's like, that must have been a challenge.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Then he's like, I'm gonna go check on Charlie.
Speaker B:And guess what?
Speaker B:She has packed up her Microsoft Surface and bolted.
Speaker A:She has taken her MiFi router with her and gone.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:So we go back to the pizza alley where Eldon is there, bleeding.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But he has.
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker B:Well, not the pizza alley, but it's an alley.
Speaker B:He's outside somewhere, and he has.
Speaker B:He's bleeding every alley.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know, but he has his cell phone.
Speaker B:So I guess they didn't take his cell phone when they chained him to the wall either.
Speaker B:Or he grabbed it on his way out.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Either way, this was some bad capture job by our Winchester bros.
Speaker B:And he is calling Eli, I guess.
Speaker B:And Eli has figured out that Charlie is checked into the Blackbird Motel under the alias Carrie Asimov.
Speaker A:Oh, girl, you can.
Speaker A:Yeah, like.
Speaker A:Okay, like your alias choice there.
Speaker A:But the Blackbird Motel sign is legit, and.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:I'm gonna put that over my house and turn my house in the Blackbird Motel.
Speaker A:It's really so good.
Speaker B:Very excited about this motel.
Speaker B:Well, Dean comes back to the.
Speaker B:To the bunker, and he's like, look, look, I could not find the.
Speaker B:The dude from the Stein clan.
Speaker B:It ran off.
Speaker B:His blood chill ran out.
Speaker B:But by the way, he.
Speaker B:Eldon was super gabby, and.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's the Frankenstein family.
Speaker B:Ta da.
Speaker B:And so Sam's like, yeah, I've been researching them, by the way.
Speaker B:Apparently, they mopped up the Black Plague and started the Hundred Years War, too.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker B:That's fun.
Speaker B:Super fun.
Speaker A:Although I still think starting disco, as Dean accused him of earlier would be their greatest crime.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And Dean is just like.
Speaker A:You know, at first, I thought these were just some alpha douchebags from hell.
Speaker A:And I was so happy that the book was burned.
Speaker A:Until I learned that the book cannot be burned.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So, Sam.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker B:Did I see Burned, huh?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam's phone rings, and Castiel tells him that Charlie is gone.
Speaker B:And that's not good.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And we kept her working to.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:In this amazing motel room.
Speaker A:Yes, it is.
Speaker A:It is amazing hotel room.
Speaker B:We knew the Blackbird Motel would.
Speaker B:Had to be a good one, right?
Speaker A:I mean, yeah, of course.
Speaker A:And it is pouring rain and the signs apparently do not care about rain.
Speaker B:Well, and apparently she doesn't.
Speaker B:And apparently she doesn't care about blue light because she has, like, almost no lights on in there.
Speaker B:And she's just staring at her screen.
Speaker B:And that's just not good for your eye.
Speaker A:I think Charlie is fine.
Speaker A:Like, I think she probably has a blue screen protection or something, you know, like, she's.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker A:She's something also, like, probably can't get eye strain from the Microsoft Surface.
Speaker B:It's probably a selling feature.
Speaker B:Well, she finally uses her pattern tracer and she cracks the code.
Speaker B:We tell.
Speaker B:We get a message that it has been cracked.
Speaker B:And right as Eldon starts beating on the door.
Speaker B:So she goes to hide in the bathroom as he is using his arm stump to beat on the door.
Speaker A:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:He's pounding on the door.
Speaker A:Also, he's ratchet.
Speaker A:He is like, you have it.
Speaker A:I want it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So ratchet.
Speaker A:Eldon with his, like, stomp is like.
Speaker A:And Carly just, like, closes her laptop and goes and hides in the bathroom.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:It's ridiculous.
Speaker B:So Dean is now pissed and is yelling at Sam for getting Charlie involved in this.
Speaker B:And now she's missing.
Speaker B:So I guess Sam has filled Charlie.
Speaker B:Dean in on everything.
Speaker B:Charlie calls them from the bathroom at the motel.
Speaker B:It's like, here's where I'm at.
Speaker B:There's someone here.
Speaker B:I don't have the book.
Speaker B:But he thinks I do, however.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, well, let's give him your notes or whatever you want.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, yes, give him whatever you want.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:And Charlie says, she cannot do that.
Speaker B:Right as Eldon gets the door to the motel room open and she is painfully watching a file upload to the.
Speaker B:The cloud.
Speaker A:The worst pain ever.
Speaker A:Just like, will you go faster?
Speaker A:Why won't you go, oh, my God, like, one more bite.
Speaker A:Will you just accent, accent, accent?
Speaker A:And then finally it attaches.
Speaker A:And she hits send on the email.
Speaker A:And then she smashes her Surface.
Speaker A:The poor Surface.
Speaker B:Yeah, she destroys it.
Speaker B:And Elden is in Surface to destroy.
Speaker B:Sam and Dean are driving real fast.
Speaker B:Dean is pissed.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, I just thought it was the only way to get rid of the mark.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, but you.
Speaker B:This is you Pulled in Castiel and Charlie.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, oh, but we just.
Speaker A:We just all love you.
Speaker B:We all love you.
Speaker B:That's why.
Speaker B:And we cut back to the motel where Eldon has gotten to the bathroom and he says he just wants with his families.
Speaker B:And Charlie pulls in Dagger and he smiles creepily at her.
Speaker B:This is not good.
Speaker B:Not good.
Speaker A:Nope.
Speaker B:So Sam and Dean arrive at the motel room, and they find the room all torn up.
Speaker B:Dean gets to.
Speaker B:Sam gets to the bathroom and says, oh, God.
Speaker B:And Dean says, charlie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Santa's, like, gagging, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because it's gross.
Speaker B:And it's gross.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we see Char, a bloody mess of Charlie in the.
Speaker A:The bathtub.
Speaker A:She'd been gutted.
Speaker A:Gutted and.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:All right, so I'm gonna pause this.
Speaker A:What the moment.
Speaker A:And then you can tell us about some douchebags who.
Speaker A:Who acted at the show.
Speaker A:I'm sure.
Speaker B:I'm sure the actors moment.
Speaker B:I know, it's cutting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And not the actors.
Speaker B:Characters, to be clear.
Speaker A:I'm sure they're all lovely, lovely gentlemen.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Castle, couch.
Speaker A:It's the casting couch.
Speaker A:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker B:We've got Monroe.
Speaker B:Stein is played by Marcus Flanagan.
Speaker B:He's been in episodes of Northern Exposure, friends, Seinfeld, charmed at 70s show, CSI, Malcolm in the Middle, Heroes, Bones and Gray's Anatomy.
Speaker B:He was a doctor in born on the 4th of July, which was shot in my neighborhood.
Speaker B:Funny enough, he was Duke.
Speaker B:A duke in Apollo 2 or Apollo 11?
Speaker B:Excuse me, Duke in Apollo 11.
Speaker B:He was Harry as a recurring character on Melrose Place and was a neurosurgeon in the movie £7.
Speaker B:Eldenstein was played by David Hofflin.
Speaker B:He's been episodes of Once Upon a Time.
Speaker B:He was a reoccurring character named Tommy in Alcatraz and reoccurring character as Detective Rooker in Bosch.
Speaker B:Eli Stein was played by Matt Bella Fleur.
Speaker B:He's been episodes of Dead Like Me and was Lawrence in the Netflix film Brazen.
Speaker B:Our minion number one, the one that gets stabbed, is Ryan Dumontes and he is a.
Speaker B:He was a reoccurring character on School Spirits was the Netflix series.
Speaker B:Is it Netflix?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker B:Anyways, it's.
Speaker B:It was on there, I thought.
Speaker B:Minion number two, who's the one that gets sent on the other mission?
Speaker B:He's in a few episodes of Supernatural, but he's also been an episode Lee Shorten.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:He's also been episodes of the flash iZombie, Arrow, Van Helsing, Law and Order, organized Crime, and is Officer Chen in the Christmas movie Noel.
Speaker B:And our demon victim that was the human dartboard was played by Mackenzie Murdoch, Spin episodes Bates Motel, X Files and Magicians, and has done a lot of voice work.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:For someone that didn't get many lines in this.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:All right, so what the.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker A:Yeah, so obviously, like.
Speaker A:And I will say, you know, the.
Speaker A:The fandom was really upset over this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:As we all deserve because we all love Charlie and Felicia Day and.
Speaker A:But this also, like Drew, like a specific type of ire as being something that I'd never heard of that it was something called fridging.
Speaker A:Have you ever heard that?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A: r writer named Gail Simone in: Speaker A:The villain Major Force has killed his girlfriend and stuffed her in a refrigerator.
Speaker A:It describes a trend that Simone had recognized in comic book stories where female characters would be killed, maimed, sexually insulted, depowered were experiencing other tragedies more than their male characters in order to give the male characters motivation, a motivating incident or a plot device to make it.
Speaker A:To make the story to move the male characters forward.
Speaker A:And so it's a term that became known as fridging.
Speaker A:And so it was something that a lot of fans were accusing them of doing here.
Speaker A:Like, look, what was the.
Speaker A:Why did you.
Speaker A:We already had like the motivating things to move this.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We didn't need more motivation.
Speaker A:You didn't need.
Speaker A:Dean had motivation.
Speaker A:We want to get the mark off.
Speaker A:We want it like, you know, we want to go.
Speaker A:We didn't need to kill Charlie, so why the.
Speaker A:Did you kill Charlie?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it was.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, I.
Speaker B:I see that.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, it obviously is a plot device.
Speaker A:Why else you don't kill a character if it not being a plot device?
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Unless, like they were a.
Speaker A:And you had to write that.
Speaker A:Like you want to write them off the show.
Speaker B:Yeah, they've been.
Speaker B:I think they just have been just these characters have been just as motivated by the death of a male character.
Speaker B:Character is the only thing I would say.
Speaker A:Well, there's.
Speaker A:But this specific incident.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, and.
Speaker A:But they also, you know, because it.
Speaker A:But then Prior, like Supernatural has always especially up to this point has gotten things like how it treated, you know, therefore, especially up until Jody, if you were a woman, you did not last long on the show, or you were just someone.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:And went away.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, it was.
Speaker B:Or you were a plot device that died and formed their emotional well.
Speaker A:And I think that's why a lot of people, too, kind of were more upset at the.
Speaker A:This, too, because they're like, what?
Speaker A:Like you guys.
Speaker A:It comes like, you gave us Jody.
Speaker A:We have, like, all of these strong female characters that are starting to develop, all these young women.
Speaker A:We have Claire.
Speaker A:We have Alex.
Speaker A:You know, so you're.
Speaker A:You're doing good.
Speaker A:You're bringing in evil women.
Speaker A:We've got Rowena and Charlie.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:I mean, and then you.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:You just.
Speaker A:You're always killing off the Winchesters, people who they love.
Speaker A:And it's just like, will you stop ripping out our heart?
Speaker A:Like, stop making us, like, characters.
Speaker A:Characters and murdering them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's hard.
Speaker B:I was upset.
Speaker B:I did not.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:So this show is also, like, I would say, notorious for almost killing people.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:As Sam said earlier, people don't always.
Speaker B:Say that last episode.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:About death not being a permanent thing in their lives.
Speaker A:So there's also that.
Speaker B:There is.
Speaker B:It just, like, was a little bit.
Speaker B:I found it shocking being especially like.
Speaker B:Like, we're not at the last episodes of the season, and so not that that has to be the case, but they usually are more likely to see it a little closer.
Speaker B:So next week or the week after.
Speaker B:Number one, that.
Speaker B:That caught me off guard.
Speaker B:And number two, it just, like you said, it didn't necessarily feel like it had to happen for the plot to move forward, which I think was frustrating.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it just kind of makes it.
Speaker B:They were upset enough.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Like, they were both already mad.
Speaker B:Everybody's pissed already.
Speaker B:Without you killing Charlie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Without you, like, wrenching our gut.
Speaker A:We already had Charlie get beat up by Dean.
Speaker A:We had our Charlie moment.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it kind of reminds me of, like, in Buffy, they use.
Speaker A:It was a cute.
Speaker A:Oh, no, we didn't say that.
Speaker A:Supposed to be Accused, but we didn't.
Speaker A:Like, would use Willow as a device to pull emotion.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because she was such a good, pure person when she turned evil.
Speaker A:Or did, like, some.
Speaker A:Somebody hurt Willow.
Speaker A:You part because.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Willow was so pure.
Speaker A:And it's kind of like that with Charlie, too.
Speaker A:Like, we love Charlie.
Speaker A:Like, she was such a person and a good character.
Speaker A:Not like the other.
Speaker A:Not the.
Speaker A:Like, Bobby, is it.
Speaker A:You Know, But.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But a different way.
Speaker A:Just love her and then you kill her.
Speaker A:And that's me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker A:Stop killing characters.
Speaker A:Be like, so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so we have two more episodes to go in the season, and now we're.
Speaker B:And now we know that we're fighting freaking bio.
Speaker B:A modern bioengineering version of the Frankenstein family.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker B:Like, I'm like, you have to go back and process that.
Speaker B:Like, I'm still, like, figuring I'm still dealing with the fact that Charlie's dead.
Speaker A:The Frankenstein's in, like, what the.
Speaker A:Like, episode 21.
Speaker A:You brought in the fucking Frankenstein.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Like, I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker B:We've got, like, bioengineered humans that I gotta think about now instead of just like, okay, Charlie's dead.
Speaker B:I'm still dealing with that and this fucking book.
Speaker B:But it's really weird.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:At least it was 20.
Speaker A: It wasn't: Speaker A:And there aren't, like, neural links in the this to really freak you out.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker A:At least we didn't have to add that to this.
Speaker A:There's no AI in there.
Speaker A:The Steins haven't got the signs.
Speaker A:Have the signs?
Speaker A:Probably invented AI.
Speaker B:They probably did.
Speaker B:Probably.
Speaker B:That's where it came from.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna blame them for everything now.
Speaker B:That's reasonable.
Speaker A:There's a problem.
Speaker A:Steins.
Speaker B:Steins.
Speaker B:When in doubt, Stein.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker A:All right, on that note, we'll say good night.
Speaker A:Cheers to.
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Speaker B:Going up to the spirit in the the sky that's where I'm going to.
Speaker A:Go when I die When I die.
Speaker B:And they lay me I'm going to go to the place that.
