3:12 Jus in Bello
We're talking about Supernatural Season 3, Episode 12 "Jus in Bello." Smoke and the demon fling happening everywhere! Liz brings everyone way down with the story of the recent mass exorcism in Panama. She's very sorry.
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Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil Strap podcast, we're going to talk about why everything on a stick tastes good.
Speaker B:And my newest creep out all white eyes.
Speaker A:And we finally name the demon fling.
Speaker A:Let's do this.
Speaker A:Sa.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap Pod podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:I'm the girl known as Liz.
Speaker A:I guess.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker B:Happy New Year.
Speaker B:Happy New Year.
Speaker B:This week we're going to talk about season three, episode 12 of Supernatural.
Speaker B:But first, what have you been up to, Liz?
Speaker A:Auditioning for a Netflix show on organization of your house.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But not putting it on camera.
Speaker A:So just in my mind.
Speaker A:So I have been off work and on vacation, which has been fantastic.
Speaker A:Although I use that in quotes because I'm never really off work.
Speaker A:And I've.
Speaker A:I've done work things.
Speaker A:But yeah, I haven't like, been.
Speaker A:I haven't had calls all day.
Speaker A:So this house has gotten fucking renovated.
Speaker A:Including an all new podcast set up for this and for my other podcast.
Speaker A:Thank you, work daddy, for sending me all this new gear.
Speaker A:It's pretty great.
Speaker A:But so, yeah, so I was like, I have all this new shit to put into my office, so I might as well reorganize that.
Speaker A:And so for those of you who don't know, my office is also my sewing room, my art room.
Speaker A:It holds a lot of things in here.
Speaker B:So it has your creative space in addition to your workspace.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:And I have enough fabric to clothe a small village.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's all reorganized and it's just lovely to look at.
Speaker A:It's all like organized by type of fabric and print versus solid.
Speaker A:And then the colors are together and it's very soothing.
Speaker A:It just makes me want to sew things.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:And so this week was also New Year's.
Speaker A:And I know, like, because we're going with me first because, like, what did Liz do?
Speaker A:Liz Cleane and organized and she watched a bunch of tv.
Speaker A:I spent New Year's Eve watching the new episodes of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, which were filmed in Austin.
Speaker B:I started them to this week.
Speaker B:So there you go.
Speaker A:Yeah, it made me very excited because they're, you know, all places.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:And they were.
Speaker B:They were.
Speaker B:The broken spoke episode is so cute.
Speaker B:The first, it's Terry's.
Speaker A:Amazing.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:Then Terry died.
Speaker A:Sorry, spoiler alert.
Speaker A:But you should know that.
Speaker A:So, I mean, I knew that she did.
Speaker B:She.
Speaker A:I'm not Terry.
Speaker B:Her dad did.
Speaker A:What's her dad's name?
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Tape my Texas rights away that I can't remember his first name.
Speaker A:Anyways, we'll blast that out on the.
Speaker A:On the Instagram as an apology to the broken spoke.
Speaker A:That way.
Speaker A:I forgot his same.
Speaker A:Sorry, I'm lucky.
Speaker B:No, they end the episode with it.
Speaker B:James White is who it was that passed away.
Speaker B:Passed away a year ago now.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:He's the.
Speaker B:He was the founder and owner of the legendary Austin Honky Tonk Broken spoke and they feature.
Speaker B:So Terry is his daughter and she's one of the first people on Queer Eye this.
Speaker A:And she's fabulous.
Speaker A:She is so much fun.
Speaker A:I think Diana, you've actually worked with her or.
Speaker B:I've done some emails with some of the team there, so let's leave it at that.
Speaker B:But yeah, and I. Yeah, yeah, I love her.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's how I spent my New Year's Eve.
Speaker A:Very exciting.
Speaker A:I didn't even drink champagne, but.
Speaker A:And before I switch to you, we'll talk about what I'm drinking because it's directly relates to it.
Speaker A:I am drinking a petite Syrah from Senor Vineyards who sent me my.
Speaker A:My winter shipment.
Speaker A:And there's two bottles of Sparkly in there.
Speaker A:I'm fucking excited.
Speaker A:I've never had sparkling wine from them before.
Speaker A:And I was gonna drink it tonight and I was like, no, like you have shit to do tomorrow, but starts at 9 in the morning.
Speaker A:You don't need to drink a whole bottle of champagne.
Speaker A:And now I've almost drank a whole bottle of wine, so you might as.
Speaker B:Well have tried the bottle of champagne.
Speaker A:Might as well.
Speaker A:There was probably less sugar in this, so I would probably feel less crappy.
Speaker B:Your head will hurt less.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we're going to transition then to what I'm drinking to what Diana is not drinking because I think this directly relates.
Speaker B:Yeah, I am.
Speaker B:I'm drinking a Zevia ginger ale, my zero calorie soda.
Speaker B:So I'm not calling.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna.
Speaker B:I don't like to put a label on things because it stresses me out and I'm a rebel, so I can't handle that shit.
Speaker B:Like that's why I'm not gonna like, like branded diets and things like that that make me mad because I have to break them.
Speaker B:So I'm trying.
Speaker B:I'm giving my body a break from Alcoh.
Speaker B:Short term, at least in excess.
Speaker B:So that's what we're doing.
Speaker B:Because why.
Speaker A:Why is your body break?
Speaker B:Well, basically starting on the 23rd of December until Saturday the 1st, I consumed alcohol every day and Some days to extreme, so not very many.
Speaker B:I mean, I get like loaded a bunch.
Speaker B:But we had like activities every fucking day.
Speaker B:Because then there was like, that was dinner with friends and stuff like that.
Speaker B:Then we had Christmas Eve celebrate, Christmas Day celebrate and drink, recover from all that shit.
Speaker B:Oh, let's have another beverage.
Speaker B:And then like, and then we had plans, like family plans and drinks every day pretty much.
Speaker B:And then when we didn't, we were like, oh, we're off for vacation.
Speaker B:Fuck it, let's have a drink.
Speaker B:So that's what happened.
Speaker B:We spent so.
Speaker B:But I had a lovely time spending a million hours with my super fun family that I adore.
Speaker B:And I'm very glad to get a little bit of a break from.
Speaker B:And they understand because they feel the same fucking way.
Speaker B:But it was exciting because it was a time that.
Speaker B:Where my whole family got to meet a new member of our family in my new sister in law, Francesca.
Speaker B:So my brother Frankie.
Speaker B:Frankie, yes.
Speaker B:My brother is in the navy and met a lovely young lady in the navy as well.
Speaker B:And they decided to go ahead and get married.
Speaker B:So that's very exciting.
Speaker B:We had not gotten to meet her.
Speaker B:It was just a.
Speaker B:They did a simple ceremony.
Speaker B:They're going to have a celebration at a later date.
Speaker B:But it was our first time to meet her and it went swimmingly, if you will, so.
Speaker A:So I just love that she goes by Frankie.
Speaker A:And I think any woman that I've always, like, been jealous of, people have like that, well, does any names that kind of go from, like the girl to the boy?
Speaker A:Like, it's just always so cool.
Speaker A:It's like, yeah, I'm a Frankie.
Speaker A:I'm a Sam.
Speaker A:I'm a Charlie.
Speaker A:Like, I love a girl named Charlie.
Speaker A:Spoiler alert.
Speaker A:This may happen in the series, but,.
Speaker B:You know, like, no, I love Frankie.
Speaker B:I think it's amazing.
Speaker B:It goes back to.
Speaker B:What was it?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:In Stigmata, the chick's name was Frankie.
Speaker B:That was the first time I heard that.
Speaker B:And I'm like, this is the fucking coolest thing ever.
Speaker B:Anyways, so, yeah, so that was awesome.
Speaker B:I went to the stockyard, spent some time around in the stockyards, got to see all the, all the cows.
Speaker B:That was fun.
Speaker A:In the stockyards.
Speaker A:Diana went to this place that had the most amazing taxidermy.
Speaker A:Taxidermy.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:So what was this place?
Speaker A:Was it a store museum?
Speaker B:So like a leather goods and it's like really nice leather goods and shitty souvenir store combined all in one in stockyard station.
Speaker B:I don't even Remember the name and I'm mad at myself for it, but it had like stripper squirrels and raccoons.
Speaker A:Raccoon playing poker.
Speaker B:Playing poker.
Speaker A:No, no, no, no.
Speaker A:So there was a raccoon that had lipstick and a bra.
Speaker A:No bikini.
Speaker A:It was a lipstick and a bikini on a raccoon.
Speaker A:And then came the horrible time where a young child's heart was broken in twain.
Speaker A:So have you ever listened to our Lord jingle we have the love.
Speaker B:Or even at the end of the episode when we have our.
Speaker B:Our little production music.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, that is.
Speaker B:That is.
Speaker B:Those are vocals are contributed by my amazing niece Addison, who is very sweet and loves animals very much.
Speaker B:And she thought that all the taxidermy animals were fucking cute.
Speaker B:And she was all excited and she was.
Speaker B:I got her excited about possums, by the way, which is exciting news for all of us because we were like,.
Speaker A:Welcome to the trash animals.
Speaker B:She was excited about the possums.
Speaker B:She was.
Speaker B:She was dragging me over to point out possums to me.
Speaker B:But then apparently at dinner she made a comment to her mother, my sister.
Speaker B:And my sister had to be like, no, no, those are real animals.
Speaker B:Those aren't fake.
Speaker B:And there's a little bit of like a shock that kind of washed over her as this little seven year old learned the difference between toy animals and taxidermy.
Speaker B:They did, baby, they did.
Speaker B:So that was a, you know, an enlightening evening for her, I guess.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:She's a lovely child.
Speaker A:It obviously is a little weird because she does.
Speaker A:You heard her, she's a little weird.
Speaker A:We love her.
Speaker A:But anyways, so I'm glad that you had a great New Year's.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, we went to a concert to New Year's too.
Speaker B:We actually went out.
Speaker A:That's right, you did that.
Speaker A:You drug your sleepy ass out to afar.
Speaker B:Yeah, I went to a concert.
Speaker B:We went and saw our friends play.
Speaker B:The Vandaliers were playing in Dallas, so we went and saw them and it was fun and we were tired.
Speaker B:That's all I got.
Speaker B:That's all I got.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Oh, we actually didn't have as many gunshots or fireworks because it rained, which was kind of nice because we got a good night's sleep.
Speaker A:Yeah, I did hear somebody.
Speaker A:So it was not raining here.
Speaker A:And I heard.
Speaker A:So most of people who work at my physical therapist this office are very young as I think.
Speaker A:I don't know what that is, but I think they also.
Speaker A:A lot of them come from Texas State because that's just down the road, and I think they have a program.
Speaker A:But I heard one of my techs say something about how they set a bunch of yard on fire because it was so dry.
Speaker A:And I'm like, this is why I don't like fireworks.
Speaker B:I just don't like it when it's, you know, 4:00am and I can't tell if it's a gunshot or a firework in my neighborhood.
Speaker A:I think I'm just a curmudgeon.
Speaker A:And granted, you know, I used to think I've shot a lot of fireworks.
Speaker A:You know, even, you know, as a child, my father would play dance away from the bottle rockets or the Roman candles as he shot them at us.
Speaker A:Wait, that's not a good story.
Speaker B:Wait, I think, I think I'm putting my finger on why you don't love fireworks in a neighborhood.
Speaker B:Liz.
Speaker A:Just saying.
Speaker A:I also like, when I get older, I also liked putting, you know, I liked putting fireworks in the glass bottles, making them explode.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was not a good idea.
Speaker A:There was also the not a good idea of what happens if you put sparklers in an anthill.
Speaker A:Apparently if it's very brushy and dry in Texas, you start a brush fire and you burn down half an acre.
Speaker A:Mainly also because you didn't want to tell your family that you were burning down the backyard.
Speaker A:So you're running into the house to grab like glasses of water because you were 10 and didn't understand how things worked.
Speaker A:And the hose was really hot.
Speaker A:And then finally your family notice you running back and forth.
Speaker B:They were like, what, what do you check on this?
Speaker A:And they're like, oh, shit, she's.
Speaker A:She set the fucking yard on fire.
Speaker A:And yeah, I did.
Speaker B:Oopsies.
Speaker A:We got most of it put out before the fire department came.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker A:You just got to clear that brush out.
Speaker A:I did them a favor.
Speaker A:Like, you know, somebody had to chop that down.
Speaker A:I was just taking rid of like that, the extra scraggly shit that needed to go.
Speaker A:The house didn't burn down.
Speaker B:Like, it was just some very natural yard control work you did.
Speaker A:You know, sometimes your 10 year old children burn down your backyard.
Speaker A:So anyway, so happy New Year, everybody.
Speaker B:Happy new year.
Speaker B: It's: Speaker A:Yeah, there's a new French variant there, Delta.
Speaker A:And the Necronomicon.
Speaker A:What did we decide it was?
Speaker B:Necromancy?
Speaker B:Omrichon.
Speaker B:Necro.
Speaker A:Necro.
Speaker A:Necromicon, yeah.
Speaker A:Necromicon, sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they're duking it out while the French are Trying to get in with their own.
Speaker A:They're like, oh, chuck up my floral.
Speaker B:But nobody's scared of the French.
Speaker A:Let nobody just, like, what?
Speaker A:Like, do we need to come save your ass from this, too?
Speaker A:Oh, sorry.
Speaker A:There was one day, I was.
Speaker A:Last story that we'll get to this episode.
Speaker A:There was one day when I was working in a place in Switzerland.
Speaker A:Well, let's just say there were guns inside the conference office, like, locked in a filing cabinet.
Speaker A:So a big place in Switzerland, and my boss, who was with me was German, and the person running this place in Switzerland was French.
Speaker A:And then they started fighting back and forth about stuff.
Speaker A:And I'm like, look, do I need to be the American?
Speaker A:And come like, stop this once again.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:They were not amused.
Speaker A:They were fucking hilarious.
Speaker A:They thought it was great.
Speaker A:Then we all went and had some chocolate and drank some wine and drink and some beer because, you know, like, you do.
Speaker A:We all like those things.
Speaker A:All right, so this episode.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Any.
Speaker A:Any first thoughts on it?
Speaker B:I think that there's a lot of.
Speaker B:I think this episode gives us a lot of enlightening pieces of the story that are important.
Speaker B:And I really love one of the extra actresses in it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Ever.
Speaker B:It wasn't like, I had to.
Speaker B:Like, after, like, a day, I was like, what.
Speaker B:What happened in that episode?
Speaker B:Like, I had to think, like, it didn't stick with me.
Speaker B:I didn't find it.
Speaker B:Like, I felt like it was important to drive the story on, but I didn't find it to be a particularly, like, memorable or special episode.
Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker B:Does that make sense?
Speaker B:Like, okay, yeah.
Speaker B:They tied up some loose fucking ends, and then they added, like, they gave more, like, credibility to, like, their storyline that they're building.
Speaker B:But at the same time, I was like, okay.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:I literally was racking my brain.
Speaker B:I'm like, fuck, I gotta.
Speaker B:We're about to talk about this shit.
Speaker B:I don't remember what I watched, and I have notes.
Speaker B:Like, I wrote shit down.
Speaker B:And I couldn't remember, like, what episode was it?
Speaker B:So that's how little it stuck with me, which I thought was.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I get the impression that that's probably not the standard response to this episode, but it was mine.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:So this episode entitled Jus in Bello.
Speaker A:Is that how you say that?
Speaker A:Yus Jus is J U S?
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:So I don't know if you're a Latin person.
Speaker A:Come, come fight me.
Speaker A:But it means laws of war.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:It was directed by Phil Scritchia and written by Sarah Gamble.
Speaker A:And she noted that.
Speaker A:So this is.
Speaker A:We talked about this a bit in the last episode.
Speaker A:So they were finishing this script just as the WGA went in.
Speaker A:Strike.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And this was originally going to be episode 11 of the series, but they switched it with last week's episode because Eric thought that it might be a better end if this was a truncated season or if it never like it just end it because they hadn't been picked up for season four yet.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So which.
Speaker A:This would have been a really shitty way to end the series.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, and.
Speaker A:And also this season, like, even then, like, it's so.
Speaker A:I mean, I guess it would have set up for.
Speaker A:We have a new Big bad that's coming.
Speaker A:But also, you know, I think as you know, there's interviews with Sarah on the DVD and other.
Speaker A:Other things with her as well where just talked about, you know, this was.
Speaker A:They had to put an end to the Henriksen story because Sam and Dean have been wanted by the FBI since the beginning of the season.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they haven't been seen very much.
Speaker B:And that seems unlikely.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't feel like at the beginning they were kind of laying low a little bit, but we haven't really seen that in the past.
Speaker A:Like, the past.
Speaker A:Like, we haven't seen any like super indications of anybody going off the grid or doing the normal thing somebody would do if the FBI was after them.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:They're sold.
Speaker A:Like just drive around the country in the world's most obvious car.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyways, that's.
Speaker A:But I think that's interesting that you thought, you know, parts of it were kind of forgettable.
Speaker A:So we're just going to start off like right in the beginning of it and we have our boys and they're in.
Speaker A:What I thought was.
Speaker A:I always thought this was Mellow's apartment, but I guess it's a hotel.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So she were in Monument, Colorado, though.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I thought it was a hotel.
Speaker B:I thought it was just a hotel.
Speaker B:And they're searching a room for Bella and they like figure out and they let the audience know that it's her place by finding the wigs.
Speaker B:And she calls them and she's like, yeah, if you don't even know me, if you think I'm going to sell this gun.
Speaker B:Because obviously they're trying to get the call back.
Speaker B:So we don't really know now.
Speaker B:Now where it's turned to our attention.
Speaker B:We don't know what her intention with this gun is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Also the gun is like out, like.
Speaker B:Sitting like openly on her passenger seat.
Speaker B:Stupid.
Speaker A:Like, it is one.
Speaker A:It's on somebody's monogram that says mister, which we never get.
Speaker A:I don't know if that ever gets explained.
Speaker A:But we don't know what the Mr.
Speaker A:Stands for.
Speaker A:But also like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Why are you riding around with this just like sitting out, like on your passenger seat?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I feel like you'd get a lot of questions if you were pulled over.
Speaker B:Number one.
Speaker B:Not that it's.
Speaker B:Not that it's illegal everywhere.
Speaker B:I mean, it's not.
Speaker B:It's totally illegal technically here, but just seems unwise, that's all.
Speaker A:It seems unwise.
Speaker A:And also like, it's kind of an antique and an important possession.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like put it someplace in a box, like hide it under your.
Speaker A:Protect at least.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Okay, whatever, Bella.
Speaker B:So anyway, so the.
Speaker B:So she.
Speaker B:So the cops show up.
Speaker B:So obviously they had.
Speaker B:They had called.
Speaker B:So she had called the cops on the brothers because she knew they were going to show up.
Speaker B:She's like, aha, I'm gonna keep you guys tied up for a while.
Speaker B:So it's like these local cops and then the FBI agent Henriksen is there as well.
Speaker B:Well, fuck.
Speaker B:So we know they're going to jail.
Speaker B:And the agent Henriksen kind of is not working closely with the local sheriff's department.
Speaker B:He's very insulting to them.
Speaker B:And he's like trying to.
Speaker B:But he's like trying to describe to that sheriff's department, like, what they're dealing with and is describing.
Speaker B:The Winchester brothers is like Hannibal Lecter, Satan worshippers, like, talking about them desecrating braves and bodies.
Speaker B:And like the whole thing is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:First he said you've never been to a rodeo like this.
Speaker A:Which I do love.
Speaker A:I mean, I always love a good rodeo reference.
Speaker A:But he says, think Hannibal Lecter and his half wit little brother.
Speaker A:Do you know what these guys do for kicks?
Speaker A:Dig up graves and mutilate corpses.
Speaker A:They're not just killer sheriffs, they're Satan worshiping nut bag killers.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, also the sheriff's not really taking him seriously.
Speaker B:But she's kind of like, what the fuck?
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:Well, he's act.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he's like, first of all is like, oh, yeah, you're going to come in here and like talk down to us and then you're going to tell us how to run our sheriff's department.
Speaker B:Then you're trying to give me information, but you're doing it in a shitty way.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'll give you the fucking cells.
Speaker B:We helped you get the guys.
Speaker B:What the fuck do you want?
Speaker B:We're a small sheriff's department in a small town, so any.
Speaker B:But then we see in the sheriff's department there is a young woman working named Nancy, played by Amy Garcia, also known as Ella from Lucifer.
Speaker A:Yeah, I love her.
Speaker B:I do, too.
Speaker A:I love her.
Speaker B:And she was also the voice of Denise and Addams Family cartoon.
Speaker B:I didn't know.
Speaker B:And she was also Jamie Batista in Dexter.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And in Lucifer, she has the best.
Speaker B:T shirts as, like, her character thing.
Speaker B:She always wears the best funny shirts.
Speaker A:Yeah, so like, those.
Speaker A:Those art people are like.
Speaker A:Or wardrobe people are hitting up Etsy, like, right and left.
Speaker A:I want to know, like, wherever they're pulling them from.
Speaker B:But they wore.
Speaker B:She wore a Hillary White Rabbit shirt once, which is somebody that we look at.
Speaker A:We love Hilary White.
Speaker A:All right, so the brothers are going to get brought in.
Speaker B:I do have one quick comment I just want to add real fast on Nancy and observation I thought was interesting, and it was probably completely unintentional.
Speaker B:Well, it's interesting for this character is that she keeps rubbing.
Speaker B:She's, like, obviously nervous, and she's rubbing.
Speaker B:She's wearing a cross necklace, and she keeps rubbing it, which will tie a little bit into this character, but interestingly, also ties into her character in Lucifer.
Speaker B:And I thought that was kind of.
Speaker B:I don't know if it's coincidence or intentional, but I thought it was neat.
Speaker A:So, sorry, Amy, you have a type.
Speaker A:And apparently it's super Catholic girl.
Speaker A:So I'm sorry, that's what you got.
Speaker B:But she's cute about it, so it's okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the brothers are in jail, and as they're getting brought in, Dean yells over to her.
Speaker B:He goes, we're the ones you should be scared of, Nancy.
Speaker A:Which also, like, if somebody tells me that, I'm like, I'm totally scared of you.
Speaker B:I'm like, that.
Speaker B:That's creepy.
Speaker B:And how do you know my name?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So also the fact her name is Nancy, I'm either going to two places.
Speaker A:I am either going to Sid and Nancy, and then I immediately start going into my Nancy accent.
Speaker A:And like, you are the Sex Pistols.
Speaker A:You never watched it.
Speaker A:And Nancy.
Speaker B:Of course I have.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I was like, what?
Speaker B:I was just cringing in general.
Speaker A:Oh, my Courtney Love rendition of Nancy of Nancy Spongeon, but.
Speaker A:Or the other one is Nancy from the Craft.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:I don't think this character is meant to be like, either one of.
Speaker A:Those people probably not.
Speaker A:But the even.
Speaker A:Or I also.
Speaker A:I also have one of my.
Speaker A:I have a lovely aunt named Nancy.
Speaker A:So there is also that.
Speaker A:But somehow she doesn't come to mind.
Speaker A:Anyway, so they get taken to a cell where in the background it says, no smoking, no spitting, no shouting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they're chained together by the ankles.
Speaker B:And it is incredibly awkward.
Speaker B:They're stumbling around.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We definitely get a Three Stooges moment.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:A little bit of slapstick comedy as they try and work their way around.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So Agent Henriksen, Jesus.
Speaker B:Is like, I don't want to lose these guys again.
Speaker B:So his boss is going to send a chopper.
Speaker B:A chopper.
Speaker B:A helicopter is what we usually call it, but he keeps saying chopper.
Speaker A:And who is his boss?
Speaker B:It's the.
Speaker B:I wrote it down in a different spot.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So it's Peter DeLuise, who is also on 21 Jump street and obviously Dom DeLuise's kid, but him and Kim Manners were together on 21 Jump street, so we have that tie in from before that brought that back around here.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:So the agent.
Speaker B:Agent is, you know, Aiden Dean are just, you know, goading each other just, like, talking shit.
Speaker B:And finally Hendrickson's like, look, y' all are going straight to isolation the supermax until trial.
Speaker B:And that, you know, basically tells Dean that their dad brainwashed him, and it implies that he was molested by his dad.
Speaker B:This is, like, real fucked up, like, conversation.
Speaker B:I was like, holy crap.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Touched them in a bad place, which is never good.
Speaker A:And Sam looks like.
Speaker A:And Sam sits up because you're like, oh, shit, you found the Dean Dare bone.
Speaker A:Like, you don't poke.
Speaker A:You don't poke the John bone.
Speaker A:And, like much save John molested them.
Speaker A:Like, oh, you're about to see some shit.
Speaker A:You should probably stop talking about your steak and lobster.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the agent Hendrix's boss, Stephen, the whatever.
Speaker B:Like, he's the.
Speaker B:He's a deputy director.
Speaker B:There it is.
Speaker B:Shows up, and it's just, like, totally dismissive of Agent Henriksen.
Speaker B:He's pissed, but gives him a stake.
Speaker B:Stack of paperwork to the transfer.
Speaker A:Even shake his hand.
Speaker B:No, like, totally.
Speaker B:Just, like, blows him off.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:But his reference to the stack of paperwork that has to be completed as.
Speaker B:We didn't invent bureaucracy.
Speaker B:We just perfected it.
Speaker A:So the feds.
Speaker A:He's not wrong.
Speaker B:So Deputy Director Steven Groves goes to see the brothers, and while he's standing there, he pulls out a fucking gun and starts shooting at Dean with a silencer.
Speaker B:Guess what he's a demon.
Speaker A:He possessed.
Speaker B:Yeah, he possessed.
Speaker B:So while.
Speaker B:So Sam tries to grab him and tries to, like, exorcise him, holding him through, like, the great.
Speaker B:What would you call that?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:The Saldor gate.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Cell door, whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Also, so Sam at least has memorized his Exorcist time.
Speaker A:At least one of these guys finally has, like.
Speaker A:Okay, I don't need to bring out a book.
Speaker A:I can just say this off the.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And it works.
Speaker B:The demon leaves.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Leaves the demon.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The black smoke cock.
Speaker B:Leaves the demon's mouth.
Speaker A:The smoke cock leaves the demon.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Or leaves the person's mouth.
Speaker A:Leaves grow.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so Agent Henriksen has heard some.
Speaker B:All this hubbub going on.
Speaker A:But before he leaves.
Speaker A:Before the cock gets taken out of his throat, I guess that's how that would be.
Speaker A:He does say he was like, sorry, I got to cut this short.
Speaker A:It's going to be a long night, fellas.
Speaker A:Which really, like, kind of sets up this episode, too.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:Oh, shit.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Well, he's not just the thing that's here.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Like, it's More shit's gonna happen.
Speaker B:So Agent Henriksen and the two sheriffs run in because there's all this hubbub.
Speaker B:They find Grove's body.
Speaker B:By this point, Sam's holding the guns.
Speaker B:This all looks real bad.
Speaker B:Dean's bleeding from his shoulder, and the fucking.
Speaker B:The deputy director is dead on the ground.
Speaker B:And they'd had a bunch of other guards set up outside, but they figure out that, first off, Groves doesn't have a bullet wound, so they didn't kill him.
Speaker B:All of their deputies that were set up outside are fucking dead.
Speaker B:The chopper crew is fucking dead.
Speaker B:And then the chopper, like, blows up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And also the dead bodies that are outside.
Speaker A:Most of their throats were slit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker A:A lot of those implies that something like.
Speaker A:Which is also.
Speaker A:We never saw that part.
Speaker A:Like, somebody went through, like, That's a lot of throat.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:And then another demon walks up and kills the other FBI agent that was there because there's only one other agent with him.
Speaker B:So that's not good.
Speaker B:The sheriffs are.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:The sheriff's department folks are freaking out.
Speaker B:They're, like, packing ammo and guns.
Speaker B:All right, we're getting the fuck out of here.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:No, Fuck all this noise.
Speaker B:We're not playing this game.
Speaker B:Agent Hendrickson's like, super calm, but, like, just very direct.
Speaker B:He's like, nope.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker B:We are not going anywhere.
Speaker B:We've got to, like, you guys.
Speaker B:You've been trained for something.
Speaker B:Let's fucking hold.
Speaker B:Let's hold down.
Speaker B:Hold it down.
Speaker B:And then at that point, all the phones and connectivity and Internet are down and in the power turns off.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Henriksen is completely believing this is a siege and that there are people coming to rescue Sam and Dean.
Speaker A:Which, you know, if I was him, I would also probably think, oh, yeah, you know, there's people coming to bust them out.
Speaker A:Not that, you know, Armageddon's raining down on.
Speaker A:On my men outside.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:Not that they're being attacked by demons.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So generally not my first thought, but, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So anyway, so Nancy's kind of, like, peak has kind of got curiosity going now.
Speaker B:And Sam asks her for a towel.
Speaker B:And when he.
Speaker B:When she finally.
Speaker B:She goes and gets someone, and when she brings it to him, he fucking.
Speaker B:Sam grabs her by the arm.
Speaker B:And I'm like, what the fuck is Sam doing?
Speaker B:Who the fuck is this guy?
Speaker B:Because that's not very Sam.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah, because I'm like, why are you fucking with Nancy?
Speaker A:Like, she's like, she brought you a.
Speaker B:Towel to clean up the blood.
Speaker A:Don't be a dude.
Speaker A:Like, she trusted you.
Speaker A:Oh, Sam.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker B:But she screams and she gets away.
Speaker B:But she had, like, a rosary bracelet on.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:We support this a little more.
Speaker A:Sam.
Speaker A:You weren't just messing with sweet little Nancy.
Speaker A:So he got the rosary.
Speaker A:And Sam thinks they're sitting ducks, but Dean just wants a snack.
Speaker A:And I approve, Dean, you know, because sometimes you're just hungry and have the munchies.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam's very worried about, in general, about, like, now how to figure out, like, who's a demon and who's not.
Speaker B:These kind of gleeful about the fact that this means that they have a contract out on them from.
Speaker B:From demons.
Speaker B:Which I'm like.
Speaker B:I'm like, okay.
Speaker B:I mean, there's some, like, bragging rights to it, but feels like you're important.
Speaker A:Enough to have a contract out on you.
Speaker A:That's awesome.
Speaker B:I guess.
Speaker B:So the sheriff decides, fuck this, we're going to go ahead and, like, unlock you guys, because this is bullshit.
Speaker B:We're.
Speaker B:You know, this is all bullshit right now.
Speaker B:Things are weird.
Speaker B:Agent Hendrickson's like, nope, not happening.
Speaker B:And so Agent Hendrickson shoots the sheriff,.
Speaker A:Which is right.
Speaker A:Just shoots him right in the head.
Speaker B:Right in the head.
Speaker B:And so the brothers attack him because obviously something's up with Agent Hendrickson because even though he's a fucking dick, he's a by the book dick.
Speaker B:And that means he's not going to shoot a sheriff.
Speaker B:And we know that watching it.
Speaker B:So they use.
Speaker B:The rosary has been thrown into the toilet.
Speaker B:And Sam pushes his face.
Speaker B:Sam pushes AJ Hendrickson's face into the toilet to get the detail.
Speaker A:Disgusting.
Speaker A:Okay, so he gets a holy water, prison toilet, swirly or county jail toilets.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Ew.
Speaker A:Ew.
Speaker A:Like beyond like, what happened to the rest of this episode?
Speaker A:Like, I'm sure this is.
Speaker A:He got like cholera and typhoid and syphilis and like all these things that are just like hanging out in that jail toilet.
Speaker B:We didn't have to worry about him for long.
Speaker A:Spoiler alert.
Speaker A:But yeah, I mean, like, no.
Speaker A:And like, never, like out of this afterwards.
Speaker A:He's like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:You shove my head in the toilet.
Speaker B:Like, I need to go.
Speaker B:Where.
Speaker B:Where's the.
Speaker B:Where's the bleach?
Speaker B:Can I scrub my face?
Speaker A:Because that's the first thing I would be doing.
Speaker A:Like he.
Speaker A:Like we were finding out.
Speaker A:He's like, I don't know about first thing.
Speaker B:Because he gets some very upsetting news after the demon leaves him.
Speaker B:Which Sam.
Speaker B:Nancy does witness this.
Speaker B:And another deputy witness the demon leaving.
Speaker B:The demon leaving his mouth.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:Agent Henderson is not dead.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:He wakes up and.
Speaker B:And he says, I shot the sheriff.
Speaker B:Dean hesitates, but could not resist.
Speaker B:But say the only line someone could say after that.
Speaker B:But you didn't shoot the deputy.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Boo.
Speaker A:Also, demon Hendrickson said before he got his swirly that it's too late.
Speaker A:I already called them their coming.
Speaker A:Coming.
Speaker A:Which also makes me think, did we miss a blood phone?
Speaker A:Did we?
Speaker A:Like, because obviously they don't have cell phones.
Speaker A:Like, so maybe that's why the throats were slit and somebody was.
Speaker B:They made a blood phone call.
Speaker B:Blood call.
Speaker A:Was it Henriksen?
Speaker A:Who somehow.
Speaker A:And when did Henriksen get possessed?
Speaker A:I mean, did he get possessed when that demon flew out?
Speaker A:The deputy director, maybe?
Speaker B:Same one.
Speaker B:Maybe not.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:So much stuff we don't know.
Speaker B:But so unanswered questions.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so Dean tells Henriksen that he had some nasty black smoke jam itself down the throat.
Speaker A:Which also is about the.
Speaker A:You know, the smoke.
Speaker A:Smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke.
Speaker A:I'm like, which way is it?
Speaker A:Cock, smoke, smoke, cock.
Speaker A:Okay, but smoker.
Speaker A:But still, he does not at any point, he's just like, oh, this is what it's like to be possessed.
Speaker A:But he's not like, can I please, like, have some chloride?
Speaker A:So rinse off.
Speaker B:Somebody have a wet wipe.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Like, he just does not acknowledge his Face.
Speaker B:I would like to blow my nose.
Speaker B:Please let me blow my nose.
Speaker A:It does remind me.
Speaker A:So, as I think we talked about one of my catnips are, like, all, like, the prison shows, and there's one where, like, so many of them, including in Dallas, where people, especially in county, use their jails, their toilets as phones.
Speaker A:Because the way that the toilets are set up, if you go to, like, loose derrick or, like, any.
Speaker A:I'm just naming Dallas jails, but any of them, because, you know, the tower that they're in, you can hear through the pipes.
Speaker A:So they'll flush out their toilets and then use them as telephones to talk to, like, other people in the jail.
Speaker B:That's kind of hilarious.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's smart and ridiculous.
Speaker A:All right, so, I mean, I guess, like, it's okay just to put your face in a jail toilet based on many things we were learning tonight.
Speaker A:Okay, so where were we?
Speaker B:I would rather not test that theory, but sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the brothers explain the possession, and the agent, basically, he's.
Speaker B:He unchains them, and he's like, all right, so how do we survive?
Speaker B:That's really all he's got.
Speaker A:He shifted real fast.
Speaker B:And Sam's answer, getting possessed might do that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Sam's answer is, we're going to do some arts and crafts.
Speaker A:Crafts.
Speaker A:That is clearly the answer to the arts and crafts.
Speaker A:Satanic arts and crafts.
Speaker A:So we're going to make some double traps.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So Sam's painting devil traps in several locations.
Speaker B:The deputy and the agent are collecting as many weapons as possible.
Speaker B:Nancy's patching up Dean.
Speaker B:Dean's like, yeah, all those weapons aren't going to work against demons.
Speaker B:You need salt.
Speaker B:So Nancy is super smart and resourceful.
Speaker B:And I was like, what about all the road salt?
Speaker B:So she goes getting all the road salt that they use for the roads in Colorado, and they put it around every window and door.
Speaker A:And while they're there, like, Nancy and Dean are kind of talking.
Speaker A:And we get some insight into Nancy's fate.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Which I think does play into this.
Speaker A:And also Ella.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know.
Speaker A:She's pretty much waxes on about how, like, she, like, literally believed in the devil and her family and her parents.
Speaker B:Her parents would get that.
Speaker B:Told her to stop being so literal about the devil when she would come home from church.
Speaker B:And now.
Speaker A:So there's a lot of I told you so is in this episode.
Speaker A:We had Dean's biggest I told you so ever to Henriksen.
Speaker A:Now we have Nancy's, who are parents.
Speaker A:Like, oh, bitches like I'm not.
Speaker A:That shit was real.
Speaker A:That devil was really coming.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So Dean wants to go to trunk, which is a terrible idea because it means he has to leave the building.
Speaker A:Also, why did they impound Baby?
Speaker B:Because Baby would have been parked at the hotel when they were arrested.
Speaker A:Yeah, but they're not gonna just impound.
Speaker A:I guess maybe they thought it had evidence in it and was like, why would they just take.
Speaker B:I'm sure Agent Henriksen was not gonna leave Baby behind.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Because I was just like, why?
Speaker A:Why they just arrested?
Speaker A:Like, I don't know.
Speaker A:But we get to.
Speaker A:We get Trunk.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker B:So he's able to get.
Speaker B:Yeah, yay, trunk.
Speaker B:And so he's able to get like a lot of stuff out and then make it back barely to the sheriff's department before the demons start rolling in.
Speaker B:Because as he's outside, we start seeing all the demon smoke starting to roll into town and flicker in all the lights.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's like electric demon smoke.
Speaker A:Like, so there's like big piles of demon smoke and now there's like lightning flashing in it.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a little bit almost.
Speaker B:It's almost more like Death Eater smoke at this point.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker A:Which came first, Death Eater smoke or cock smoke?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Let's timeline this.
Speaker A: , so this episode was shot in: Speaker A:I think that's prior to Death Eater smoke.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:The 20th anniversary of Harry Potter release just came out this weekend for New Year's Day.
Speaker A:And it was great.
Speaker A:I cried a lot.
Speaker A:I had a lot of stuff in my eye.
Speaker B:But Mitchie, same Z's.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So he's running back in while all this demons run.
Speaker A:Dean, run.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:He makes it back in.
Speaker B:And the smoke, like, envelops the entire building.
Speaker B:It's against all the windows.
Speaker B:Blacks everything out.
Speaker B:And it's kind of freaky for a second and then it's just gone.
Speaker B:Just dissipates.
Speaker A:And Nancy Salt is saving the day.
Speaker B:Way to go, Nancy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yay, Nancy.
Speaker B:So we see Sam pull out some necklaces and hands them out to our friends in the sheriff's department.
Speaker B:There's a sheriff deputy and Nancy remaining.
Speaker B:And Agent Henriksen.
Speaker B:And it says it will prevent them from being possessed.
Speaker B:And she's like, well, what about the two of you?
Speaker B:What happens next?
Speaker B:Liz?
Speaker A:Diana's been watching me dance for like a minute.
Speaker B:I know she's dying.
Speaker B:I'm so excited.
Speaker B:So excited.
Speaker A:Opened up their shirts and revealed that they had the anti possession tattoos.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:This is where the tattoos come from.
Speaker A:Well, it's the first time we see them, and it's very exciting.
Speaker B:And Sam says that they haven't had them very long, and we know that they haven't had them very long because these motherfuckers been possessed before.
Speaker A:Well, and it does, like, it's.
Speaker A:I mean, it's great.
Speaker A:I love that they have them, but because I have to look, I was like, wait, did I forget, like, a scene where they got tattooed?
Speaker A:And I was like, okay, digging through,.
Speaker B:Like, which is a missed opportunity, by the way.
Speaker B:I needed.
Speaker B:I needed the boys drunk getting these tattoos.
Speaker A:Well, I'm like, it does make me wonder if something was cut.
Speaker A:Like, was there ever a time or was it at this point that, like, Sarah or, like, Eric were like, you know what?
Speaker A:Be really great if these were tattooed on them, which I'm sure, like, Jared and Jensen love, because now every time they have a shirt off, they have to get a fake tattoo.
Speaker A:Tattoo.
Speaker B:But I do also really appreciate that their reveal of this was, like, imperfectly in sync.
Speaker B:It was like some, like, yeah, boy band, like, pull my shirt, same time.
Speaker B:Look at this.
Speaker B:Look at my pec tat.
Speaker A:The only thing that would have been better if they had been in, like, pearl snap shirts and, like, just, like, pop their buttons and just like.
Speaker A:And it was like a whole.
Speaker A:Like, whole chest tattoo.
Speaker A:Like, just this piece that, like, went down to their stomach.
Speaker A:Like, this.
Speaker B:Just the whole thing.
Speaker B:Good Lord.
Speaker A:Oh, it seemed like overkill.
Speaker A:That would be overkill.
Speaker A:I just want.
Speaker A:I just want that moment.
Speaker A:But also, I'm like, at some point, they went like, do you go to your normal tattoo artist for this?
Speaker A:Like, do you, like, do you have a consultation?
Speaker A:Do you work through the design?
Speaker A:And, like, this is what I want.
Speaker B:Do you bring a picture on your phone and be like, you want this?
Speaker B:Do you need special Pinterest?
Speaker A:They bring in their Pinterest page, and they're like, this is.
Speaker A:So for those of you who don't know, I think I may have mentioned my best friend is a tattoo artist, and the thing he hates the most is people telling stories about why they want to get their tattoo.
Speaker A:And, like, I think he has, and.
Speaker B:I've tortured him with it on purpose once and may have.
Speaker A:Fine, if it's hilarious.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so I think he has a side like, this says, like, I don't want to.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't want to hear why.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't want to know.
Speaker B:I don't want to hear your story.
Speaker A:Yeah, something Yeah, I don't want to hear your story or something like that, but I just imagine, like, them, like, sitting in a tattoo chair and be like, so our dad was killed by the demon and they get possessed.
Speaker A:And like, the tattooers are like, I just want to go get my tacos.
Speaker A:Like, I gotta finish this fucking line work.
Speaker A:Like, why?
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:And like, no, you can't get a discount.
Speaker A:Jesus Christ.
Speaker A:Just because there's two of you.
Speaker A:No, it's gonna be the same price for both.
Speaker B:And like, price.
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker B:That's per tattoo.
Speaker A:Anyways, okay, so, yes, this is as much as forgettable as this episode is.
Speaker B:Saying there was a certain things.
Speaker B:There are certain things, like the episode and the story didn't stick with me, but there was aspects that I knew were like, things that were going to carry on.
Speaker B:I could tell, obviously.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:And a tie up at loose ends.
Speaker B:So anyways, Nancy sees outside that now that while there might not be a cloud of smoke around them, there is a large group of people and there's people that she knows from the town and they are all fucking possessed.
Speaker A:They all black guys?
Speaker B:Well, yeah, so.
Speaker B:And then one of the deputies goes to look at one of the windows and he breaks the salt line a little bit.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, that's bad.
Speaker A:Do you think?
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:So I mean, he wasn't possessed, right?
Speaker A:Because he put the ambulance.
Speaker A:Like he was just a dumb ass.
Speaker B:I think he was just a dumbass and didn't realize the importance of not breaking the line.
Speaker B:Luckily, not much results from it.
Speaker B:We'll get to that in just a second.
Speaker B:But there's a conversation with Agent Henriksen between Dean because he's commenting on the shotgun shells with salt.
Speaker B:And Agent Henriksen's comment is chasing off monsters with condiments.
Speaker B:Which I liked.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And also, how do I mention it?
Speaker A:Diana got me a shotgun shell filled with salt for my birthday.
Speaker A:And it's amazing, but, yeah, so he gets the speech, you know, and these are.
Speaker A:These.
Speaker A:All these things are real.
Speaker B:All these things are real, but not Bigfoot.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And then the agent kind of has a little reflection.
Speaker B:He's like, like, kind of like bummed.
Speaker B:He's like, I've been, you know, wasting my life chasing a few bad guys.
Speaker B:I'd catch like one every few years.
Speaker B:Just like this whole mission chasing, like, down fugitives and stuff.
Speaker B:But you guys are out fucking killing, like, real bad guys, like, all the goddamn time.
Speaker B:And kind of has like a weird sad moment for Agent Hendrickson.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:And so I mean, and I think if I was in his position to be like.
Speaker A:Like, to.
Speaker A:If you put all of your trust and your values into your work, which is also, you know, probably a sign.
Speaker A:Don't put all your shit into your job.
Speaker A:Have other interests.
Speaker B:Like, you hush your mouth.
Speaker B:Just kidding.
Speaker A:You have other interests.
Speaker A:But it's also.
Speaker A:This is why I always.
Speaker A:When I talk about burnout in my field, I'm like, no, you need to have other interests.
Speaker A:Or you turn to Hendrickson, because if something happens and that.
Speaker A:That value is completely destroyed, and then you're just like, what the fuck do I do?
Speaker A:And then you get this very.
Speaker A:Okay, I want to know your opinion if this quote is depressing or, you know, just cheerleading.
Speaker A:So Dean says, I think the world's gonna end bloody, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't fight.
Speaker A:We do have choices.
Speaker A:I choose to go down swinging.
Speaker B:I thought it was great.
Speaker B:I thought it was very Dean.
Speaker B:And I actually didn't find it very pessimistic.
Speaker B:I found it actually somewhat optimistic in a very dark way.
Speaker B:Does that make sense at all?
Speaker A:It does, and it was.
Speaker A:It reminds me of the end of another show which angel viewer gets through.
Speaker A:It would probably apply to that.
Speaker A:Guilt, guilt, guilt.
Speaker A:Thanks for that.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:But I like that quote.
Speaker B:I thought it was an interesting one, and I commented.
Speaker B:I noted about it as well, about him just, you know, going down swinging.
Speaker B:And it's interesting that that's part of the conversation that him and Agent Hendrickson are also talking about how they need to have anything to go home to.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker B:I thought that was super profound, tying into that conversation, acknowledging that, yeah, it might be a losing fight, but it's still, like, we're still gonna try.
Speaker B:We're still gonna, like.
Speaker B:Like, we still want to save it.
Speaker B:We still want to preserve things.
Speaker B:We still care.
Speaker A:And I think with Dean's current situation, though, this makes it even more interesting, because he wants to go down swinging, and we know that he is going to hell soon.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, his time is coming up, and he is like, you know what?
Speaker A:So I think this does move that character forward a little bit.
Speaker A:Like, not a lot, but it really kind of, you know, shoves his feet into the ground, maybe.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then the last episode, we really got the vibe that, you know, he's actually really.
Speaker B:Last couple episodes, we were like, no, he doesn't.
Speaker B:He does give a shit about himself.
Speaker B:He doesn't want to just die and go to hell.
Speaker B:He's not just giving up.
Speaker B:And this is.
Speaker B:I Think this ties into that mentality where he's got now where he's got some fight in him again for himself.
Speaker B:So of all the demons that could have taken advantage of the break in the window, all the demons and all the.
Speaker B:So convenient.
Speaker B:So convenient.
Speaker B:The only one that got through was Ruby.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So there's a dramatic bust in through the window.
Speaker A:We're like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:Because we're expecting the salt broke.
Speaker A:And they're like, oh, it's just Ruby.
Speaker B:It's just Ruby.
Speaker A:But Ruby is like, take like.
Speaker A:And I'm a woman, so I feel like I can say this.
Speaker A:I don't know if Ruby has a really bad pms, but she's a fucking cunt.
Speaker A:This entire episode.
Speaker B:She's cranky as fuck.
Speaker B:This episode.
Speaker A:Yeah, she.
Speaker A:There is like, somebody.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker B:Like, I get, like, her point.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't know if I agree or disagree.
Speaker B:This whole episode really culminates in a philosophical con debate that's been had for centuries.
Speaker B:And that's all centuries, but maybe centuries.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But either way.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But we're into the trolley.
Speaker B:We're.
Speaker B:Yes, exactly.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But that's.
Speaker B:And I think that that's feeding her frustration because she has a very distinct opinion on the answer.
Speaker B:And I think that that's all there is to it.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker B:She's pissed they lost the cult.
Speaker B:Fair enough.
Speaker B:Bella's a bitch, but it's fair.
Speaker B:They lost the cult and that's fucked up.
Speaker B:They shouldn't have lost the goddamn cult.
Speaker B:She helped save it.
Speaker B:And she.
Speaker A:But she.
Speaker B:And she gives him a lot of information.
Speaker B:She's like, look, there's 30 outside more.
Speaker B:I killed my way in.
Speaker B:There's more coming.
Speaker B:And you've got your.
Speaker B:And you've got this new challenger that I've told you about that wants to take down Sam and want his intestines on a stick.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:1.
Speaker A:Also, everything on a stick is delicious.
Speaker A:2.
Speaker A:Ruby also said that she had guts in her mouth.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Intestines on a stick.
Speaker A:And they were deep fried at a state fair.
Speaker A:I'd eat them.
Speaker A:But yeah, so also Dean's like, we get.
Speaker A:We get a little sexist moment.
Speaker A:And if you follow my Twitter, you'll.
Speaker A:You'll know why.
Speaker A:This is funny too.
Speaker A:But Dean's like, who is he?
Speaker A:And then Ruby's like, like, not he, her.
Speaker A:And it was like, oh, yeah, you little sexist bitch.
Speaker A:Like, of course it's a woman.
Speaker A:We're not afraid of a man.
Speaker A:We're afraid of a woman and her name is Lilith.
Speaker B:Lilith.
Speaker A:And not going into Laura right now.
Speaker A:We are saving Lilith for another day because there's a lot to be talked about for Lilith.
Speaker B:I would expect from as much.
Speaker A:Yeah, but okay, so now we know.
Speaker A:We know the big.
Speaker A:This big bad has a name.
Speaker B:The Big Bad.
Speaker B:New Big Bad.
Speaker A:All right, so I also love when they tell Ruby that the cult was stolen.
Speaker A:She said, excuse me, I must have blood in my ear.
Speaker B:And she is pissed.
Speaker B:So she's like, well, okay, well, the only other plan they have to fix this for y' all to get out of here and not all fucking die is for Ruby to sacrifice herself because she's got a spell.
Speaker B:Remember she used to be a witch when she was a human that will vaporize all the demons in a one mile radius.
Speaker B:So it's gonna kill her too.
Speaker B:But wait, to conduct the spell, she also needs to sacrifice a virgin.
Speaker A:And then every.
Speaker B:So now it's not just going to be Ruby dying.
Speaker B:Whoever the virgin is, is going to be dying too.
Speaker B:And guess who is a virgin.
Speaker B:And everybody is completely shocked by this information.
Speaker B:Weirdly, Henriksen.
Speaker B:No, shockingly, Nancy is a virgin.
Speaker B:No, not the good little Catholic girl from the small town working at the sheriff's department.
Speaker B:Couldn't be her.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just thought the reaction was weird and kind of like.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, don't get me wrong, I.
Speaker B:Obviously it was not a virgin as long as I should have it, but.
Speaker B:Or whatever.
Speaker B:But like, they were really judgy about it.
Speaker B:I thought that was rude.
Speaker A:No, they were judgy about it.
Speaker A:Also, Dean was.
Speaker A:Looked like he was kind of turned on by it.
Speaker A:Like he got a real gross.
Speaker B:I thought his mind.
Speaker B:I thought his mind was just completely blown because he didn't believe it.
Speaker B:Like, I thought that.
Speaker A:I think he was.
Speaker A:I think it was blown.
Speaker A:But then it was like, oh, nobody is touched you with a penis.
Speaker A:But I didn't get that whole thing too.
Speaker A:Like, about the virgin sacrifice as a TV trope.
Speaker A:Just a general trope.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The idea that.
Speaker A:And very rarely, like, there have been a few movies where it's been a man.
Speaker A:And then it always just becomes a comedic trope because, like, oh, the version, like, even Hocus Pocus, I was like, why am I spacing on the movie with all the witches?
Speaker A:But it just.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I really don't.
Speaker A:I don't like it.
Speaker B:And I can't even get over the trope of it.
Speaker B:I just thought they're.
Speaker B:I thought the reaction was like too much.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think I'm just over the idea of her.
Speaker A:We need pure blood.
Speaker A:And pure blood means that you haven't had sex.
Speaker A:You like it just.
Speaker B:Yeah, you hadn't had some dick.
Speaker A:You haven't had some dick or some pussy and like you've done some anal and that's fine.
Speaker A:But you know, it's.
Speaker B:Because we all know that doesn't count.
Speaker A:It doesn't count.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:But yeah, it was just weird.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:I really did my biggest.
Speaker B:Like my own.
Speaker B:I was annoyed at how like shitty they were about it.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, like she was a fucking alien.
Speaker B:Like, okay, calm down.
Speaker B:Like I'd be like, I'd be like, oh, whoa.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And then move on.
Speaker B:Like it's not like, oh my gosh, you're a virgin.
Speaker B:I'm shocked.
Speaker A:Like, well, and she's pretty young too.
Speaker A:Young.
Speaker A:Young chickens.
Speaker A:She's like a 50 year old woman.
Speaker A:Like who.
Speaker A:Or it's at some point that, that Nancy is just sad.
Speaker A:This Nancy is just gone and hasn't got like, I've seen her down.
Speaker A:Like I wouldn't want to bone this town either.
Speaker A:But I think what's interesting too is that we honestly get this dichotomy.
Speaker A:Like is.
Speaker A:Is Sam going dark side?
Speaker A:Because Dean's like, I don't want to kill a virgin.
Speaker A:I don't want to kill Nancy.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, so we get the.
Speaker B:That's where we get the big argument.
Speaker B:And this is where we get our trolley.
Speaker B:The trolley argument as you referenced.
Speaker B:So Dean and Ada Henriksen are like, we.
Speaker B:We're not killing Nancy to save.
Speaker B:To save the town.
Speaker B:That's just not fair.
Speaker B:Nancy's like, I want to do this.
Speaker B:Those people outside are my friends and the people I love.
Speaker B:I will sacrifice myself for them.
Speaker B:She's ready.
Speaker B:She is willing.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker B:She's got her three fingers in the air like the Hunger Games.
Speaker B:She's ready to sacrifice herself for her town.
Speaker B:But Sam and Dean are like, no are talking.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, hey, she's willing.
Speaker B:This is the solution.
Speaker B:It's one person versus this entire town of people.
Speaker B:And so now I do think it's kind of shitty.
Speaker B:I'm going to point this out that they don't really mention Ruby again.
Speaker B:Like nobody gives a fuck about sacrificing Ruby.
Speaker B:I thought that was kind of weird.
Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I know that they don't totally trust her and blah, blah, but she's offering to sacrifice herself.
Speaker B:I feel like if you're talking about Nancy Sacrificing herself.
Speaker B:You should probably mention that Ruby sacrificing herself too.
Speaker A:I think it's also, though, because I just don't view Ruby as one, like, that much of a sacrifice because I don't believe she's doing anything for unselfish reasons.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, I just think, like, she has, like, whatever she's doing, there is some ultimatum and whether, like, can she come back?
Speaker B:Yeah, but she said it vaporizes all of them and they're gone, so who knows?
Speaker B:But she could be lying.
Speaker B:We don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:She's just so bitchy.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:In this episode, though, it's like, I don't trust you.
Speaker A:Like, you're well.
Speaker B:But the.
Speaker B:So basically, they're posing the argument in this scene and in this episode in general, but in the scene specifically is about the sacrificing one for the greater good of all.
Speaker B:Like, if you know that, like, if this person will die for sure, without doubt, this person you kill, you actively make a decision to kill this one person to potentially save because it's not guaranteed.
Speaker B:They still don't know exactly what's going to happen.
Speaker B:But to potentially save this other large group, is that a more moral or better choice than risking everybody but not actively making a decision to kill this one individual?
Speaker B:So, yep.
Speaker B:It's a philosophical question that's been posed, you know, forever.
Speaker A:And I think, like, you know, Sarah does a really good job in scripting or whoever wrote this line for Dean.
Speaker A:It was like, it doesn't mean that we throw away the rule book and stop acting like humans.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna let that demon kill some nice, sweet, innocent girl who hasn't even been laid.
Speaker A:I mean, look, if that's how you win wars, then I don't want to win.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I mean, it's a valid point and a valid conversation.
Speaker B:I know people make an individual choice of a sacrifice sometimes for others and for greater good.
Speaker B:But that's, you know, it's an interesting battle.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:I'm talking about in war and in battles and things like that.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But Dean said.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Well, and Dean's.
Speaker B:But Dean's kind of been a little bit more hardline on preserving human life.
Speaker A:Life.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:A little bit more.
Speaker B:Except for when once they have any kind of demony or evil thing in them, they care.
Speaker A:Or, you know.
Speaker B:Well, that's true.
Speaker B:Or witches.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:But anyways.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Dean has a new plan.
Speaker B:Dean has a plan.
Speaker B:Ruby doesn't think it's gonna Work.
Speaker B:And she's like, fuck this shit.
Speaker B:I was willing to kill myself and all them for you, but, no, I'm not gonna watch you lose.
Speaker B:You bet I bet.
Speaker B:I guess I bet on the wrong horse.
Speaker B:I'm out.
Speaker B:And all the demons outside let her pass through as she leaves.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So basically everybody inside and everybody outside are like, see you next Tuesday.
Speaker B:She didn't upset.
Speaker B:I mean, she was a bitch, but she didn't upset me as much as she.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:It was just.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker A:It was a very.
Speaker A:There wasn't any beats for her this episode.
Speaker A:It was all.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:Everything was acid coming out of her mouth the entire time.
Speaker B:When she has a demon, she's a demon.
Speaker A:But Ruby isn't always.
Speaker A:Like, in the past episodes, she has no.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker B:But she's got a softer element.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker A:And even if, like, that was a manipulative thing or whatever, there was, like, still, like, even in the witch episode, she was like.
Speaker A:I was a human.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So that I think she was.
Speaker B:I thought.
Speaker B:I felt like she was just that frustrated.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Frustration makes me act like that, too.
Speaker A:And I get it.
Speaker A:All right, so she is gone.
Speaker B:So Dean, Sam, and Agent Hendrickson are gonna start with the.
Speaker B:And are gonna start with Dean's plan.
Speaker B:So they each take an entrance and have shotguns and clear the salt away from entrance.
Speaker B:So basically, demons are rolling in pretty much one at a time to attack them through the doorway, which is.
Speaker B:I don't know if that's the most efficient fighting method, but sure.
Speaker B:And the deputy that's remaining from the sheriff's office and Nancy are up on the roof.
Speaker B:And Nancy says to him, when this is over, I'm going to have so much sex.
Speaker B:And he looks at her and she's.
Speaker A:Like, not with you, but not with you.
Speaker A:Which is the very important point.
Speaker A:Nancy, I am glad for you.
Speaker A:Like, you're a strong woman.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I need to fuck.
Speaker A:I'm not fucking you.
Speaker A:Like, you know, you're a weird deputy.
Speaker A:But we also.
Speaker A:We've got some fun metal music playing in the background.
Speaker A:Dean and Henriksen are now literally fighting.
Speaker B:Back to Back to back.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're bros now.
Speaker B:They're growing out, killing demons.
Speaker B:So we see, though, while there's all the fights going on inside, Nancy and the deputy use salt to close them all in.
Speaker B:And the brothers.
Speaker B:Everybody's inside.
Speaker B:Starts flinging holy water everywhere.
Speaker B:It's just fucking crazy.
Speaker A:I love how Dan.
Speaker A:Dan was just flinging holy water on that flask.
Speaker A:He's just, like,.
Speaker B:Just flinging it everywhere.
Speaker B:But yeah, so.
Speaker B:And then they all just kind of stop.
Speaker B:Like the fighting just kind of stops.
Speaker B:And one.
Speaker B:One of the chick demons steps out and pins the brothers to the wall with her magic strength with her.
Speaker A:So we had to come up with a name because I'm like, this is.
Speaker A:She does Diana's move.
Speaker A:And I feel like we need a name for this fling.
Speaker A:Like, it's like fling them and pin.
Speaker B:To the wall using your, like, I don't know, whatever.
Speaker B:What is that?
Speaker B:It's not telepathic.
Speaker B:It's the.
Speaker A:Well, it's telekinetic.
Speaker B:Telekinetic.
Speaker B:That's the word.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:But I feel like it needs like it's own name.
Speaker A:It needs a name.
Speaker A:And Diana's move is what I'm calling it right now.
Speaker A:But just because you hate it.
Speaker B:Well, it seems very frustrating.
Speaker B:Like, man, you really.
Speaker B:You're like, oh yeah, this person can pin you to the wall with their brain in their hand.
Speaker A:Is it the demon fling?
Speaker A:Like, and like a demon fling.
Speaker B:Instead of like western swing?
Speaker B:It's the demon fling.
Speaker A:Desi do and demon flings.
Speaker A:Okay, so.
Speaker A:And then also could be like.
Speaker A:Like, you know, you could have a fling with a demon.
Speaker A:All right, so we go with demon fling.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That is what this is called now.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And she's clearly the leader.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So were you thinking this was the big bad?
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, shit, here we go.
Speaker B:Because they showed this specific demon outside as Ruby was leaving, watching Ruby leave too.
Speaker B:So we close up on her before, which kind of like gives you like that There's a. Cues that shows use to build up knowledge and show like, what's going to happen.
Speaker B:So you're kind of thinking, this might be the big bad.
Speaker B:And then Dean yells, henriksen now was my voice for Dean.
Speaker B:You're welcome.
Speaker B:And you see Henriksen hit play on a cassette player because he's in the other room and it's over the income.
Speaker B:They have recorded an exorcism.
Speaker B:So all the demons are upset.
Speaker B:They're trying to escape.
Speaker B:And then all of the black smoke cocks fly out of their mouth into the ceiling where they start swirling.
Speaker B:And there's like electrical stuff going on, swirling in the ceiling and kind of like a weird explosion.
Speaker B:Things happen.
Speaker B:And then the brothers just are released.
Speaker A:Because of the electric cock smoke or something.
Speaker A:So one of them walks by Nancy outside.
Speaker A:And so we think something's gonna happen, but he just looks at her and keeps going.
Speaker A:Which really kind of is like, well, why is she doing that?
Speaker A:But I think at this time.
Speaker A:So we just saw a massive exorcism happen.
Speaker B:Mass exorcism.
Speaker A:So I think we're gonna talk about a time very recently when there was another massive exorcism that did.
Speaker A:It just went very, very wrong.
Speaker A:So it's time for lore, True crime, whatever you want to call this.
Speaker B:All right, all right.
Speaker A:So we are going to take a journey to one of my favorite places near the equator, and that is Panama.
Speaker A:And we'll talk about some.
Speaker A:I'll talk about some of my Panama experiences on this, but we're going to talk about.
Speaker A:And I had this playing on pronunciation over and over so I could get it right, and I'm probably still fucking it up.
Speaker A:So we're going to talk about the Nigabi Bugle.
Speaker A:It's like, boob is like Michael Buble, but Boo Glaze said the Negog.
Speaker A:I have many times to fuck this up over this next couple of minutes.
Speaker A:So the Nagabi Buble.
Speaker A:Boo Gleg.
Speaker A:God damn it.
Speaker A:I keep saying Booble.
Speaker A:I'm very, very sorry.
Speaker A:People of this.
Speaker A:Of this indigenous tribe, right?
Speaker A:So they come from.
Speaker A:This tribe comes from a region on Panama's Caribbean coast about 150 miles from Panama City.
Speaker A:So there's this village of these indigenous people, and there's about 300 people that live in this area, and they're very remote.
Speaker A:Like, this area is.
Speaker A:Is so remote that to get to civilization, you have to walk for hours on all these crazy fucking roads that are very vertical and they're covered in mud, and you have to walk through them to get to a river.
Speaker A:Like, you're not even there yet.
Speaker A:You just have to go, like, for hours through all this crazy territory and then get to a river, and then you can flag down a boat, and then that boat can take you to a place where they have telephones, health clinics, and what will be important to the story, the police.
Speaker A:So the Nagabi bugle are Panama's largest indigenous group, and they suffer from high rates of poverty and illiteracy, like many indigenous groups of Central and South America do.
Speaker A:There are actual, like, seven groups in Panama.
Speaker A:I. I have been to the village for the Embera, but definitely that place was set up for tourism.
Speaker A:You could go on, like, a tour through the Panama Canal, and then you go to Monkey island, and then you go to hang out with these people.
Speaker A:But even though it was set up for tourism, I got to see blue butterflies, which are, like, the most amazing things you've ever seen, because they look like a fucking Disney Cartoon and they're also water trees.
Speaker A:So like, there's all these trees in the Panama jungles that you can tap for water.
Speaker A:They're so, so cool.
Speaker A:Anyhow, okay, but this is not them.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:This is an agari boogly place.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A: th of: Speaker A:So this was just last year and I had to check with my friend.
Speaker A:I was like, when the fuck were we in Panama?
Speaker A:So this is a year after I was there.
Speaker A:So it was not the year that I went to go tootle around the country.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:Remember how I said how they had to run out there?
Speaker A:So they escaped.
Speaker A:Over.
Speaker A:Many ran for hours up steep hills, like over.
Speaker A:And they made their way to a hospital.
Speaker A:And they arrived with burns on their mouths and tongues.
Speaker A:And also they had just marks from being like, obviously assaulted with something.
Speaker A:And they're like, guys, we escaped, but there's other villagers and they're being held by the sect.
Speaker A:There's a cult down there.
Speaker A:They have people.
Speaker A:And their injuries were so bad, they were transferred to the emergency room of the Luis Chico Fabrega Hospital in Santiago.
Speaker A:And because the injuries were so bad, the next day, on Tuesday, January 14, another person escaped by running for several hours, crossing the Calabera river and arrived at Rio Ruiz and the district of Santa Fe, province of Veraguas.
Speaker A:And he was only 15 years old.
Speaker A:Basically what these three guys and this 15 year old said was like, guys, there's a cult and they are tying up people and trying to exercise them.
Speaker A:And we have escaped.
Speaker A:And the 15 year old escaped while the quote unquote shepherds were busy tying up other people.
Speaker A:And he was treated by a doctor at the health center.
Speaker A:And he showed the injuries he had on his back.
Speaker A:And there, I've seen pictures of him.
Speaker A:They're fucked up.
Speaker A:This kid got the fuck beat out of him.
Speaker A:Like, it's really, really terrible world.
Speaker A:And all of this was done by the pastors of the La Luz del Mundo church.
Speaker A:And that means something that I have written elsewhere.
Speaker A:Hold on.
Speaker A:It's the light of the moon.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I speak enough Spanish.
Speaker A:No, it's not the light of the moon.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:So on Wednesday, people from the public ministry traveled to the sector to investigate gate.
Speaker A:And when they arrived, according to the local prosecutor, Rafael Balleas, they found they're performing a ritual inside the structure.
Speaker A:In that ritual there are people being held against their will, being mistreated.
Speaker A:All of these rights were aimed at killing them.
Speaker A:If they did not repent their sins.
Speaker A:He said there was a naked person, a woman inside the building where investigators found machetes, knives and a ritually sacrificed ghost goat.
Speaker A:They kill the goat, okay, it gets worse.
Speaker A:But the goats, I have a soft spot for goats and that really hurts, okay?
Speaker A:And these rights have been going on since Saturday and it already was.
Speaker A:They were like, people have already died, right?
Speaker A:So we now know There is the three Valdez brothers who have escaped.
Speaker A:There is a 15 year old who's escaped and now they're like, oh shit, there's like more people here who have been going through this and everyone's like, not sure how long this specific sect of the religion have been operating, but somebody in the last month had a vision.
Speaker A:And in that vision he said all the preachers have been anointed exercise the non believers.
Speaker A:So somebody had.
Speaker A:Either they got fucked up and had a vision or they just had a vision.
Speaker A:They're like, guys, we got to take out all these people who, who, you know, who don't believe us.
Speaker A:They're like, everyone come to this church, come to the church, we're going to talk to you.
Speaker A:And the church is basically this long big shed, right?
Speaker A:And so when they went inside, their hands and feet were bound and eventually the pastor would come in front of them and he would hold a Bible and either a machete or a stick, depending on which resource I saw.
Speaker A:And he was like, you need to vomit it because if you vomit that, I know the demons gone and.
Speaker A:But if you couldn't puke, then you were, then you were beaten.
Speaker A:So that was like, we know the demons outside of you if you throw up, but if you don't throw up, then we're going to beat you with this Bible, with these sticks, with this machetes and then the demons will get out of you.
Speaker B:So we're just going to beat you till you puke.
Speaker A:Yeah, and the ones you puke then won't all the demons out of you.
Speaker A:So witnesses said the screams were very intense and they saw bodies being transported by hammocks.
Speaker A:Like I said, the possessed were hit with Bibles, cudgels and machetes and then some were forced to strip or walked across hot embers.
Speaker A:Of the 14 people that were rescued, Dina Blanco said that she had gone to the church with her 9 year old epileptic daughter, her 15 year old son and her father.
Speaker A:And I'm putting words in people's mouths, I'm probably like, oh, she must be possessed because she's epileptic.
Speaker A:But that Seems likely to me.
Speaker A:When they arrived, they were told not to open their eyes and they had to grab each other's hands and pray.
Speaker A:I felt something hit my head and that.
Speaker A:I don't know what happened to me.
Speaker A:Dina told the Associated Press.
Speaker A:I dropped my knees.
Speaker A:So the authorities are there and this is like what they found when they come in.
Speaker A:And then they were pointed to an area about a mile from the church.
Speaker A:And there they found seven bodies that were buried, including five children.
Speaker A:One who is only one years old, their 32 year old pregnant mother, and also a 17 year old girl.
Speaker A:So they fucking killed seven people trying to exercise these quote unquote demons from them.
Speaker A:And five of them were kids.
Speaker A:Like, it's so insanely fucked.
Speaker A:And so the police arrested seven people at the time, although there was at least 10 villagers that were said to have participated.
Speaker A:The area is so remote that the helicopters had to be used to ferry the injured out to hospitals or treatment.
Speaker A:And those ferried out included at least two pregnant women and about.
Speaker A:About seven children.
Speaker A:So I mean, they're complete, just insane.
Speaker A:The larger Lusto Mundo church said in a statement, I'm sorry, this is a bad Google translation because this is out of the Panama newspaper.
Speaker A:Our church does not practice acts of exorcism in those people who manifest problems of evil spirits.
Speaker A:We resort to the teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ in love and prayer.
Speaker A:They also said that the pastors arrested were not part of the religious community.
Speaker A:So Luz del Mundo actually has a larger parishioner base beyond just the indigenous tribes.
Speaker A:It's a larger group of church in Panama and they're like, yo, yo, yo, not us, not us.
Speaker B:This was not a sanctioned location of our church.
Speaker A:Yeah, we didn't know, we did not agree to this.
Speaker A:And then Ricardo Miranda, who was the leader of the Negabe Buble Semi Autonomous Zone known as Karmarka, called the sect Satanic and said that it went against the region's Christian beliefs.
Speaker A:And he pointed out that the official religion of the Kamerka is Mama Tata, which according, which is like official according to this law 280.
Speaker A:But they allow people the freedom to practice other religions, but they can't let them do this.
Speaker A:Mama Tata is actually a mix of Catholic and Amerindian.
Speaker A:I don't know if that's the right word to say that, but basically American and indigenous beliefs kind of built in.
Speaker A:And that is practiced by about half of the nearly 250,000 inhabitants of the Negabe Bulig region.
Speaker A:Super, super fucked up.
Speaker A:On December 13, December 3 of this last year now, So I was about to say 21 was this year, so.
Speaker A:Last month ABC News reported that the court imposed Panama's maximum sentence of 50 years in prison on seven members of the cult.
Speaker A:The court in Bocas del Toro province sentenced two other members of the cult to 47 years in prison each.
Speaker A:So three years underneath the maximum they could get for this.
Speaker A:So I really like the story.
Speaker A:Like, just kind one intrigued me because I love Panama.
Speaker A:I highly recommend going to visit there if you never have.
Speaker A:It's a really cool place.
Speaker B:It's on my list.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a good list.
Speaker B:But also, and I've seen two different versions of 90 Day Fiance where they've had somebody in Panama.
Speaker B:I've seen a lot of footage of it.
Speaker A:I'm not shocked on that.
Speaker A:But really the idea is like you, we talk about these exorcisms in this, in the show, kind of like as a joke, but like this shit's still happening.
Speaker A:Like people are still using and like, and beyond just, you know, we talk about the general Catholic, Catholic exorcisms.
Speaker A:But this is still this idea of, I don't know that we can use religion to beach.
Speaker A:I know, I have a point.
Speaker A:But it's honestly very upsetting.
Speaker B:That's horrifying.
Speaker B:People that are seeking help in some form, whether it be physical or spiritual or emotional, whatever they need, and in turn are punished in this case to death for not meeting up to what that church or religious leaders standards were.
Speaker A:And to bring it back to this episode, we talk about Dean saying, look, we have to be human.
Speaker A:Human, right.
Speaker A:It's like no matter like what we're doing in this battle, like whether or not whatever side of you fall on your religion,.
Speaker B:Maintain your humanity.
Speaker A:Yeah, you have to maintain your humanity.
Speaker A:So if you see somebody, if you're in a cult or someplace and you see somebody beating a one year old baby to death, like, what the is wrong with you?
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker B:Yeah, somebody's got to be the one to step up and be like, no, something.
Speaker B:This, this is wrong.
Speaker B:Yeah, somebody has to be like, this is wrong.
Speaker A:And in this episode we had standing up to be like, hey, this is.
Speaker B:Yeah, this might seem like the easy win, but this is wrong.
Speaker A:This is not yet none of this justifies the means to get there.
Speaker A:And so sorry for a very depressing lore.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, no shit.
Speaker B:Like, man, you're like, max, this exorcism.
Speaker B:I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's go.
Speaker B:And now I'm like, well, this is Terribly sad.
Speaker B:And I feel like an asshole for cheering on that, Laura, but thanks.
Speaker A:No, you know, but at least, like, I'm glad the people who were involved in this, you know, they were put in jail.
Speaker A:They weren't David Koresh.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So, by the way, there is a new series on Hulu from Vice about the dark side of the 90s.
Speaker A:And they went into David Crash.
Speaker A:They hadn't thought.
Speaker A:So those of you who aren't from Texas, I know Waco was like a big thing for you, but for those of us in Texas, like, it was real bad.
Speaker A:I broke up with a guy because he looked like David Koresh when he put his glasses on.
Speaker A:Like, it was.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:It was an uncanny resemblance.
Speaker A:And I'm like, I'm sorry, I can't make out with you.
Speaker A:You look like David Koresh.
Speaker A:I'm sorry, Stephen.
Speaker A:I actually didn't remember his name because I did run into him like a year or two later.
Speaker A:I do remember who he was, but now I remember your name.
Speaker A:Your name was Stephen and you're a guy in San Antonio.
Speaker A:Don't know your last name.
Speaker A:But I'm sorry I broke up with you because you were David Kresh.
Speaker B:Get contacts.
Speaker A:I think he did.
Speaker A:Probably after the fact.
Speaker A:So anyways, that was our depressing lore for the night.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, that's.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Thanks.
Speaker A:And terrible.
Speaker A:A terrible.
Speaker A:And yet a great tourism message for Panama.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah, because.
Speaker B:Because the cult has been arrested, so now you can go to Panama and not get.
Speaker B:Get murdered in an exorcism cult.
Speaker B:Hopefully.
Speaker B:Hopefully.
Speaker B:No promises, but hopefully I will say.
Speaker A:When I went to Panama, I went to an amazing battle of the bands, which was all like punk rock and metal bands from the different provinces of Panama.
Speaker A:And they all came together and it was one of the highlights of my life.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyhow.
Speaker A:Okay, so we're gonna go back to where there are just bodies everywhere.
Speaker B:There's bodies everywhere.
Speaker B:There's exactly exercise.
Speaker B:They've exercised all the demons in this weird electrical fire thing in the ceiling.
Speaker B:And it's all the bodies there and people are coming to and the Agent Henderson's like, which is on, by the way.
Speaker B:That's also interesting because so often their exorcisms are not survived by the bodies that are possessed.
Speaker B:So I thought that was another thing.
Speaker B:Like they're banking, like, it was kind of a weird back and forth for me too.
Speaker B:Like they're really banking on all these people surviving anyways, which is of kind.
Speaker B:Kind of surprising.
Speaker A:But I think based on the lore of this that they're all.
Speaker A:Because Nancy knew so many of them.
Speaker A:These are all fresh possessions.
Speaker A:So most of the other demons that are died are because as Ruby said, they've been rode hard and put away wet.
Speaker A:So these possessions were probably fairly, fairly new.
Speaker B:So Agent Hendrickson's telling Sam and Dean that look, I need to call in to, to his, to his actual bosses since other guys did the quote, least ridiculous lie I can come up with in the next five minutes.
Speaker B:And he decides that that is that he is going to says quote, I'm going to kill you.
Speaker B:And I'm like, whoa, what wait, like what?
Speaker B:What just happened here?
Speaker B:He's like, no, I'm going to say you were in the chopper when it caught on fire and there was nothing left.
Speaker B:So rest in peace, guys.
Speaker B:And shakes their hands.
Speaker A:Yeah, and we got chopper again.
Speaker B:And so the brothers leave and you know, we're aware that they left.
Speaker B:You can tell it's moving on.
Speaker B:So it's a later scene and because the apartment's mostly cleaned up and Nancy's like sweeping and a little girl holding hands with a woman walks in looking all cute and says, I'm looking for two brothers.
Speaker B:One really tall and one really cute.
Speaker B:Cute.
Speaker B:And Nancy giggles and asks her name.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And so one, are we gonna about to find out something Diana hates more than black eyes?
Speaker A:And two, before we get to the reveal of that, I will say that when they were talking about how to make Lilith, Sarah Campbell said, nothing is creepier than a little girl.
Speaker A:Well, maybe she had a British accent, so at least like this little girl doesn't have a British accent so much.
Speaker A:But that's why she's a little girl and not a full blown woman at this point.
Speaker A:So Diana, do you hate something more than black eyes?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes I do.
Speaker A:And what do you hate?
Speaker B:All white eyes.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So little Lilith introduces herself and her eyes roll back in her head.
Speaker B:All we have are the fucking white.
Speaker B:And then so Nancy, Deputy and Agent Hendrickson all kind of jump and like they're gonna kind of come out if they know something up's happening.
Speaker B:And she holds up her hand like a palm, like her palm out and there's just a massive white light.
Speaker B:And they all yell.
Speaker B:And then we cut.
Speaker A:She burns him all the away with her hand.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't like it.
Speaker A:I don't like children.
Speaker B:Creepy white eyes, guys.
Speaker B:So we cut to Sam in the motel and Dean's there too.
Speaker B:And there's a knock at the door and it's Ruby, she back and she says Turn on the news.
Speaker B:And it's a news report about a tragic explosion at the police station.
Speaker B:May have been natural gas.
Speaker B:And everyone inside is dead.
Speaker B:So she's sure it was Lilith.
Speaker B:And she gives them each like, this little bag and just says it will help keep her off of their trail.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And then she goes into and I told you so rant about Lily and killing Lilith, killing everyone in the Virgin.
Speaker A:I think this is awesome.
Speaker A:Just like, told you she's just a bitches episode.
Speaker B:Like, that's not super helpful information.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, let's just rub some salt in the wound.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, I get her point, but they also.
Speaker B:But they also felt like they had.
Speaker B:They also felt like they had to try.
Speaker B:It's the going down swinging is what they were doing, basically.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think there's nothing wrong with that, you know, and so again, Charlie situation.
Speaker A:If you don't know what the Charlie problem is, look it up.
Speaker A:We're not going to explain it at this point.
Speaker A:You should know that.
Speaker B:But, yeah, she points out, you know, she's very rude about it, that basically that because they were not willing to sacrifice one person, it led to more death and a higher death count.
Speaker B:And that that's just really decisions you have to make in war, which.
Speaker B:Which is technically true.
Speaker B:But a lot of times you have to really weigh out what.
Speaker B:What are you fighting for if that's the decision you're making?
Speaker B:And she doesn't get that.
Speaker B:I think this is like, you know, we've kind of humanized Ruby a lot because she has been on their side for a demon.
Speaker B:And this really, really speaks to her lack of humanity.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think that's a really great point.
Speaker A:I think we see that a lot in her and I.
Speaker A:And also this.
Speaker A:It also solves.
Speaker A:The guy who ran away and looked at Nancy didn't kill her because she said, you know, you can't leave anybody to run and tell the boss.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But at the same time, like, if somebody, like, busted into my house after, like, all this, like, I was feeling really great.
Speaker A:And then I found out that I shouldn't be feeling great and that all these people that I just bonded with were fucking died.
Speaker A:And then you came running in on your horse just being like, ha, ha, told you.
Speaker B:Told you.
Speaker A:Yeah, they killed everybody.
Speaker A:This is why you just don't do it.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, it's not gonna be productive.
Speaker A:I am not gonna want to work with you.
Speaker A:I'm gonna tell you to off like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I don't think she cared.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So then she just.
Speaker A:She leaves.
Speaker A:And then we get a lot of meaningful eye looks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And size.
Speaker A:A lot of eye acting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:So for me, an episode that we said that there was.
Speaker B:I didn't think there was a lot of story to.
Speaker B:We talked a lot about the story.
Speaker B:What, for an episode I thought didn't have a lot of, like, story.
Speaker B:That stuck with me.
Speaker B:We talked a lot about story.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's not bad.
Speaker B:I just thought that was interesting.
Speaker A:Upon further reflection, like, after we talked about this episode for two hours, I felt like I could see where this episode has meaning.
Speaker B:Well, I could tell, obviously, like, there's a lot of things.
Speaker B:They're going to carry on to future episodes, so it's important.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, that's all I got.
Speaker B:I think we had a lot of in perspective stuff throughout.
Speaker A:No, I mean, like, they were so looking back, you know, saying if we had had to end the season here, I think that would have been upsetting.
Speaker A:But also.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Ending the series here would have.
Speaker A:No, but ending the season here, like, we've introduced a new big bad.
Speaker A:Like, we know, like, no longer being chased by the FBI.
Speaker A:At least we've wrapped that storyline up.
Speaker A:Unfortunately, we wrapped it up by killing Henriksen, which by the end, like, I don't hate him as much as I hated him before.
Speaker B:No, agreed.
Speaker B:He's just a by the book kind of guy.
Speaker B:It's kind of sad.
Speaker B:His job is his life, and he's just trying to do a good job and.
Speaker B:And like most average humans, he doesn't believe in demons.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And we think about you.
Speaker A:The other storyline they wrapped up this season was.
Speaker A:Was Gordon.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But when Gordon ended, we still fucking hated Gordon.
Speaker A:Like, we're just like, no, fuck that guy.
Speaker B:Kind of an opposite trajectory because Gordon, you kind of started out not hating him.
Speaker B:You kind of, like, neutral kind of liked because, like, his car is kind of cool and.
Speaker B:And he's into hunting.
Speaker B:And they seem like they're all gonna be buddies, but he's a little too much.
Speaker B:But you're like, okay, I kind of like Gordon.
Speaker B:It's all right.
Speaker B:And that fucking takes a nosedive real fast.
Speaker B:And then he's awful.
Speaker B:And then this one, you start out, like, really, really fucking hating Hendrickson.
Speaker B:And like, right as you're starting to like him and you get him back to a neutral or just above neutral is when he gets killed off.
Speaker B:They kind of did opposite trajectories.
Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker A:Also, like, we think about it like, we're still halfway through the season and we've already killed off to you.
Speaker B:I think we're more than halfway through because the short season this was 12 fair.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So yeah, we're halfway through.
Speaker A:If this had been a regular season, we would have be normally.
Speaker A:Normally would be halfway through though.
Speaker A:And so we've killed off to like pretty big people already.
Speaker B:Two long running storyline elements for sure.
Speaker A:So now that leaves us with Lilith and Dean.
Speaker A:Dean's so we got Lilith coming.
Speaker B:We have a new big bad and then Dean's.
Speaker B:Dean's cursedness.
Speaker A:Cursedness.
Speaker A:The cursedness of Dean.
Speaker B:The cursedness of Dean.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yep, that's what we got.
Speaker A:All right, so this Horus isn't beaten to the ground.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right, y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker A:I'll say cheers, Cherry.
Speaker B:Cheers.
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