3:15 Time is On My Side
Talking about Supernatural Season 3, Episode 15 -Liz gets extra annoying and drops all kind of info like: the urban legend of the missing kidney, the urban legend of Doc Benton, why you shouldn't huff chloroform, how the government may be tracking you by your ears, and that maggot wrangling is a career choice.
Sources:
http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/3.15_Time_Is_on_My_Side
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgical_suture
https://cryptidz.fandom.com/wiki/Doc_Benton
https://thesurvivaljournal.com/chloroform/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloroform
https://www.wired.com/2010/11/ears-biometric-identification/
https://web.archive.org/web/19980506013419/http://mardigrasday.com/police1.html
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we're going to talk about season three, episode 15.
Speaker A:Are you part of the great resignation?
Speaker A:Consider a career in maggot wrangling.
Speaker B:Did you know that chloroform is not a party drug?
Speaker A:And ear prints are the new fingerprints?
Speaker B:And finally, cheers to Bella.
Speaker A:All right, cheers.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker A:Sam.
Speaker A:Welcome to Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:We're going to talk about season three, episode 15, time is on My side.
Speaker A:I'm Diana Aim.
Speaker B:Liz.
Speaker B:Aimless, aimless, Aimless.
Speaker B:I swear, I'm not shooting anybody right now.
Speaker B:How you doing?
Speaker A:Fine, how are you?
Speaker A:We're counting down.
Speaker A:We're going to be at the Plano Supernatural convention this weekend.
Speaker B:So as if you tuned into last week's episode, we revealed that Richard Spate is not attending.
Speaker B:I knew that because my auction got canceled in the middle of it.
Speaker B:And so we broke the news first, although it came out afterwards because we.
Speaker B:You post a couple of days, but whatever.
Speaker B:So he's not attending.
Speaker B:But we are having doing the meet and greet with Rob Benedict and I'm very, very excited and really I want to talk to him because Rob and Rich are starting a. I'm basically going to say they're going to be our nemesis, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They ripped off our model, they're fucking.
Speaker B:Copying us, and they're doing a rewatch podcast of Supernatural and they're probably going to be bringing on, like, all their fancy people.
Speaker B:They know.
Speaker B:Like, I know Jensen and Jared are already some of the first episodes.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, that's cool and all, but, I mean, you don't have Diana or Liz or Laura or Peggy.
Speaker B:Like, we have fucking Peggy.
Speaker B:Peggy is coming to the con on Sunday, guys.
Speaker B:So if you want your picture with Peggy in her new Supernatural hoodie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Come find me.
Speaker A:Come get your picture and get a sticker.
Speaker A:Boom, boom.
Speaker B:Get a picture with Peggy and you get a sticker.
Speaker B:That's like winning the lottery.
Speaker B:I don't know what else you want.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:So, yeah, what else you been up to?
Speaker B:I haven't left my house in a week because of things.
Speaker B:Stuff.
Speaker B:So I did have a friend come over and we played Disney, made a card game version of the Haunted Mansion, which is fun, but was really complicated to learn, so I think I'd go back and do it again.
Speaker B:But they have all, like, little cards of, like, all the little ghosts that hang out.
Speaker B:But this seems very, like, much oriented to those people who play, like, magic or like, I play card games with other people.
Speaker B:Like, This, I guess it's a trend of like, I don't know, whatever, these kids today.
Speaker B:And then we played Scrabble and of course I won because I love Scrabble.
Speaker B:I love Scrabble so much.
Speaker B:I also.
Speaker B:I can bring Scrabble this weekend if you want to, Diana.
Speaker B:I have, I have that coming too.
Speaker B:But anyways, yeah, so that was pretty much it.
Speaker B:Beyond that works.
Speaker B:Just kicking my ass.
Speaker B:And I'm just making bizarre videos.
Speaker B:Somebody from my work asked me if the things they were, they were putting on social media.
Speaker B:Can I call you a goth?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And I'm like, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I just recorded a video holding a crystal ball in front of a fireplace with like burning cats in it.
Speaker B:Pretty sure you can call me a ghost.
Speaker B:And like, mainly because I'm like, also I'm not going to educate you in punk rock subculture.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:And that's going to take a while if we can talk to you about all the categories of the subcultures that I can fit into because it's a lot.
Speaker B:But I'm just a well versed.
Speaker B:I'm just a subcultural girl.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It overlaps.
Speaker A:A lot of overlap.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I feel like I was supposed to have a lot of things going on that I haven't.
Speaker A:We had a got to hang out at the car club this weekend and getting ready to go to Tulsa in a few weeks for a car show up there.
Speaker A:And my husband is quite happy.
Speaker A:Babe is happy with how football has gone so far.
Speaker A:And while we are in traipsing about the supernatural convention in Plano on Sunday, he will be deeply entrenched in football playoffs.
Speaker B:Well, I did realize as I was trying to book a trip and I did book a trip.
Speaker B:The reason why a lot of hotels, especially in California, were expensive.
Speaker B:Whereas it's a Super bowl weekend, which I should have known for other reasons.
Speaker B:Not because I follow sportsball, just because it's a thing.
Speaker A:It's a major cultural event in America.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:But I am very excited that I will be.
Speaker B:I think I will be in Las Vegas that weekend.
Speaker B:Not running on doing crazy stuff.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:But I do have a new superb owl T shirt that I'm very excited to wear, which is really.
Speaker B:And I will.
Speaker B:I think that should be like everyone's new, like, ritual on Super Bowl Sunday.
Speaker B:You watch the superb owl episode of what we do in the Shadows.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker A:It's a good one.
Speaker B:And the Puppy Bowl.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:What are you drinking today?
Speaker B:I am drinking because I have.
Speaker B:I can't drink that much of the stupid big day tomorrow.
Speaker B:But I am drinking a Mexican style chocolate stout called Chuck Mole from Independence.
Speaker B:And I don't know if you can see on the can, but it has a super cute and it's adorable.
Speaker B:Aztec.
Speaker B:It's like an Aztec.
Speaker B:Like an Aztec jaguar.
Speaker B:That's really stylized and I'm sure it probably represents some Aztec God that I don't know of.
Speaker B:But he's super cute.
Speaker B:He's like just a drunk little tiger on there and I love it.
Speaker B:It's actually quite tasty.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:I'm having.
Speaker A:I'm having some paternales Tempranillo.
Speaker B:Ooh, fancy Texas wine.
Speaker A:It's nice.
Speaker A:I hadn't had this before.
Speaker A:I've had other tempranillos from Texas and I've had Patanello's wine but I haven't had this specific one.
Speaker A:So we got.
Speaker A:We drank way too much at the house on Sunday.
Speaker A:It was like football dangerous while the husband was watching that.
Speaker A:And I was doing stuff around the house.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And watching this episode.
Speaker B:So Diana was really drunk when she watched this episode.
Speaker A:Not when I started it, but when I finished it because I paused it, you know, and I got distracted and then I came back.
Speaker A:We decided to start making or.
Speaker A:It's like a.
Speaker A:It's basically a French 75 but with orange juice.
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker A:It was gin, orange juice and champagne.
Speaker A:That's what we were drinking.
Speaker B:That sounds tasty.
Speaker A:But it was delicious.
Speaker B:But also like I would get really sick from that.
Speaker A:We went.
Speaker A:I was in bed by 8:30 at night.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was fine though.
Speaker A:I slept.
Speaker A:I slept long, long hours on Sunday night.
Speaker A:Which I guess that was good for me.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So let's talk about time is on my side and see if I can read my notes.
Speaker B:All right, so this is Season 3, Episode 15.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:It was directed by Charles Beeson.
Speaker B:His previous episodes were included Playthings and Roadkill and Sin City.
Speaker B:And I'm not sure if I mentioned it last time, but the Winchester family business website, it's a blog on Supernatural.
Speaker B:They have a really good tribute to him on there.
Speaker B:So if you go to www.the winchesterfamilybusiness.com they have really great shots and stuff of like all the episodes he directed along with interesting information in there.
Speaker B:So that was really cool.
Speaker B:This was written by Sarah Gamble again.
Speaker B:And Diana is going to have a field day with all the IMDb stuff in this because we had a lot of people.
Speaker B:They shoved a bunch of shit in this episode.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I probably missed some, too, because I'm also picking highlights of things that stand out to me or just her legacy things.
Speaker A:But I did my.
Speaker A:I did put some effort in here, so we'll see.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Overall, I was like.
Speaker B:I did.
Speaker B:I knew I didn't want to watch this episode, and I thought it was because of the monster, but it wasn't.
Speaker B:And I think this episode was actually pretty traumatic.
Speaker B:It traumatized me by the.
Speaker B:It was like, oh, fuck.
Speaker B:This episode really fucks me up.
Speaker B:So really great when we get down to time with us.
Speaker B:And Diana was, like, way too drunk to realize what was so upsetting.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So we start off in Erie, Pennsylvania, because of course we do.
Speaker A:Wasn't that the name of a show a long time ago?
Speaker A:Anyways, there's.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:It was not.
Speaker B:There is a place called Erie, Pennsylvania.
Speaker A:I know that.
Speaker B:But there was.
Speaker B:I think there was an Erie, Indiana.
Speaker A:Maybe that's what it was.
Speaker A:Didn't that sound familiar as a TV show, like, forever ago?
Speaker A:Anyways, sorry.
Speaker A:Erie, Pennsylvania, we got two plastic surgeons leaving the hospital and talking after about their long day.
Speaker A:And one of the quotes that stood out was staying brutal business.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That guy was a douche.
Speaker B:Total.
Speaker B:I guess.
Speaker B:Like, he's a plastic surgeon.
Speaker B:What do you expect?
Speaker A:But fucking douche, you know?
Speaker A:And so one of the guys, by himself, get in his car, and there's some creepy dude in a trench coat sneaking up behind him, shoves him in his trunk, and grabs his keys.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So I had to look something up.
Speaker B:I was like, what year was this?
Speaker B: Because this is: Speaker B:That looked like a fairly new car because he's a.
Speaker A:They have rear trunk releases now.
Speaker A:Or you can get into the backseat.
Speaker B:I was like, when did this happen?
Speaker B: ,: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A: If a car was made after: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B: because during the summer of: Speaker A:That's sad and scary.
Speaker B:And I'm like, that's like, was that 11 separate incidents?
Speaker B:Or, like, were there 11 children that piled in one?
Speaker B:That's a lot of fucking kids.
Speaker B:Like, that's.
Speaker B:That's a lot of stupid children.
Speaker B:And, like, why was.
Speaker B: ike, why was it the summer of: Speaker B:Like, there wasn't, like, TikTok to like, give you like dumb ideas.
Speaker B:I mean, I guess like, you know, ao, like maybe like it was on an AOL or IRC chat or something where they're like, yeah, go get in the trunk of your car.
Speaker B:And then like.
Speaker B:But I just think that's an abnormally high number of children to die.
Speaker A:Seem like a large number.
Speaker A:It does seem like a large number.
Speaker A:It's a sad number no matter what, but it's sad.
Speaker B:But I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker B:Like, what the hell happened in the summer of 98?
Speaker A:So we've established that this is a completely unrealistic scenario, that this guy just got stuck in his own fancy car trunk, right?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's dumb, but he was a douche.
Speaker B:So maybe he was just really stupid and didn't understand how things.
Speaker A:Well then we cut to him stumbling into an er, like a different like, not like his office building, like an ER looking building.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, that would make sense.
Speaker B:And I just thought the nurse was a bitch.
Speaker B:You know, this doctor, well, that's surprised.
Speaker B:He wasn't like, I am so and so from.
Speaker A:He doesn't talk at all.
Speaker A:He is just silent and holding his stomach and like.
Speaker A:But he's wearing the trench coat now or something and like naked.
Speaker A:And he's like stumbling in and she's like, you don't have to be shy.
Speaker A:I've seen it all.
Speaker A:And then he opens his coat and they all start screaming.
Speaker A:Both him and her are screaming a lot.
Speaker A:My cocktail comment was, I guess she hasn't seen that.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I also said that.
Speaker B:And I wasn't drunk.
Speaker B:But I also want to note there was a very nice plopping sound because I was like, judging by the plopping sound in her screen, she hadn't seen that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we cut to our Winchester brothers throwing holy water on a tied up demon sitting in a devil's trap.
Speaker A:And I'm just going to jump ahead for a second.
Speaker A:First they're trying to find out who has Dean's contract, right?
Speaker A:And then the demon's like, I'm more scared of that demon than I am of you guys.
Speaker A:So sorry, motherfuckers.
Speaker A:This demon has the best fucking teeth.
Speaker B:He's gorgeous.
Speaker B:Like, he was a gorgeous teeth were.
Speaker A:He had the best.
Speaker A:Like, his teeth were like, I know he was a very handsome man, but his teeth were on.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:Anyways, so that just for reference and to give credit where credit is due, this is Adrian, Adrian Holmes.
Speaker A:He is in.
Speaker A:He's an ongoing character in the TV show Arrow he's been in a couple episodes of Letterkenny, and he's been in other episodes of Supernatural.
Speaker A:He was in.
Speaker A:He had bit roles in both the TV series V. The newer one, not the old miniseries, and Fringe.
Speaker B:And you're not saying the big one.
Speaker B:You just.
Speaker B:You don't want to admit that it's a thing.
Speaker A:The one that you said.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That I emailed you about.
Speaker B:This guy is playing Philip Banks in the new version of Fresh Prince of Bel Air.
Speaker B:And it's very.
Speaker A:It's not Fresh Prince of Bel Air.
Speaker A:It's just Bel Air because they ruined it.
Speaker A:And taking all the cop comedy out of it, they decided to make it a social commentary drama on a story that was an uplifting comedy.
Speaker A:No, it's not supposed to be.
Speaker B:No, it still looks hilarious.
Speaker B:Like, I know it's not supposed to be.
Speaker B:It looks so funny.
Speaker A:Prince of Bel Air was amazing.
Speaker A:This looks terrible.
Speaker B:Anyway, it was not a good show.
Speaker A:I loved it.
Speaker B:I mean, yeah, I watched all of it because that was, like, my era at the same time.
Speaker B:It was not.
Speaker B:It was not a well written show.
Speaker B:It's a really shitty sitcom, and they are taking it so seriously.
Speaker B:Seriously.
Speaker B:And all the lines are so intense, and it looks.
Speaker B:I'm gonna just die laughing the entire time.
Speaker B:And like, of course, especially, like, you.
Speaker A:Are the fresh fruits.
Speaker B:Like, oh, it's gonna be so good.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:So ridiculous.
Speaker A:So either way, the demon won't talk.
Speaker A:So Sam does the exorcism, and we find out that Dean had to go bury the body.
Speaker A:So poor, poor hot demon died because the body didn't survive the exorcism.
Speaker A:And Sam asks Dean if he remembers what they saw in the news.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So drug notes.
Speaker B:You forgot something.
Speaker B:Okay, so one thing about this that's really important is that the demon also knows who he is.
Speaker B:So this is, again, one elevating.
Speaker B:Like, the Winchesters are getting fucking famous.
Speaker B:Like, everyone knows who they are.
Speaker A:And,.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's.
Speaker B:I just thought that was important.
Speaker B:And he was like, I'll be waiting for you with a few pals who are dying for a nice little meet and greet with Dean Winchester.
Speaker B:So I'm like, oh, like, all these demons, so they get sent back.
Speaker B:Is it like when a cop goes to prison and, like, they're just all gonna be waiting for him and how, like, going to get on it.
Speaker B:But anyway, yeah, so the meat suit died, which was sad.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And so Sam's asking Dean if he remembers the news from earlier.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, well, stripper Suffocates dude with thighs.
Speaker A:No, that wasn't what Sam was referring to.
Speaker A: erprints of a guy who died in: Speaker A:And so he's like, was it like Walking Dead And Dean comments, Zombies do like the other, other white meat.
Speaker B:And so he also made a.
Speaker B:Dean made a David Caruso reference.
Speaker B:And I had to look that up because I was like, I don't get this.
Speaker B:And I always feel weird when I don't get a pop culture reference.
Speaker B:And that was CSI Miami, which is timely at the time.
Speaker B:I was like, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker B:But also what I know.
Speaker B: ea, this is a guy who died in: Speaker B:And they're like, well, is it, you know, why is zombie, like, your first instinct?
Speaker B:Because it was missing.
Speaker A:Very weird comment.
Speaker A:But, so why would that zombies eat livers now?
Speaker A:I mean, like, that seems like very particular eating for a zombie.
Speaker A:Zombies usually are either after brains or just any part of your body not in a target.
Speaker A:I'm in the mood for some fucking liver potato night, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, was it a discerning zombie?
Speaker B:I don't know, but it just seems like a weird conclusion to jump to with everything they know.
Speaker B:I mean, like, demons would make more sense, you know, than that.
Speaker B:Even a vamp would make more sense.
Speaker B:Like werewolves taking the hearts out.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:I was just like, this seems odd.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But we also.
Speaker A:We do learn at this point that Dean's got three weeks left on his contract.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so of course he wants to go hunt zombies because.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Well, that sounds like a fun thing.
Speaker A:So they're at the.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they're like, fuck it, let's go check this out.
Speaker A:And so they go to the morgue and they're asking, like, this.
Speaker A:This doctor, the medical examiner, whatever he is, like, about, like depending on how your jurisdiction defines them.
Speaker A:Not everybody has a corner.
Speaker B:According to the transcript, it was a coroner.
Speaker A:Okay, well, IMDb just called it a doctor.
Speaker B:It was weird because I had to look up because I was like, what is he?
Speaker A:Yeah, fair.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And they're like, asking him, though, about, like, teeth marks.
Speaker A:And he's like, are y' all morons?
Speaker A:And did you read my report?
Speaker A:Like, he's like, not entertained.
Speaker A:He's like, who the fuck are you guys asking these stupid ass questions?
Speaker A:That's really what his attitude is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just like, he just calls him stupid.
Speaker B:And it's just like.
Speaker B:I was like, you are living your best life, sir.
Speaker A:He's like, no, the liver was surgically removed, and can you please go away?
Speaker A:He literally says, please go away.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So the brothers are talking about.
Speaker A:They're like, so not a zombie.
Speaker A:And we get another good line.
Speaker A:Dean's got some good ones in this episode.
Speaker A:So it's a zombie with skills.
Speaker A:Dr. Quinn, medicine zombie.
Speaker B:I'd watch that show.
Speaker A:Anyway, so Sam.
Speaker A:Sam wants to go look for survivors of organ theft now.
Speaker A:That's his new thing.
Speaker A:Since he's like, well, maybe it's not zombies.
Speaker A:Maybe there's something else going on.
Speaker B:It makes sense.
Speaker B:I mean, like, it was like, oh, hey, this guy wasn't dead.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Why are we looking for dead people when we will do.
Speaker B:This guy died.
Speaker B:But, I mean, like, he came in alive.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker A:So they meet with another guy in the hospital whose kidney was stolen, which is upsetting.
Speaker B:Or you can feel like it kept confusing me when they would come to these things, that they're not people I know.
Speaker B:Like, so when they first went to this guy in the bed, it was like, wait, is that Dr. Douche?
Speaker B:Isn't he dead?
Speaker B:And then I was like, oh, no, it's another one.
Speaker B:And so I don't know if it's just because, like, I just didn't know who those.
Speaker A:Like, it's just a generic, you know, generic brunet dude.
Speaker A:Like, there's not a lot of discerning character features.
Speaker B:They aren't giving us any difference between the mediocre white dudes.
Speaker B:Well, there's not.
Speaker A:Like, we've got no background, and they're just in, like.
Speaker A:And they're ill.
Speaker A:So, like, people don't look right when they're ill or, you know, sick or whatever.
Speaker A:Fuck, you know, sit in the hospital.
Speaker A:So it's kind of odd.
Speaker A:I do agree.
Speaker A:Like, sometimes it's like, wait a minute.
Speaker A:Who.
Speaker A:Who are we talking to now?
Speaker A:Like, it's a bit of a jump when the guy tells the story about how basically, long story short was that he woke up screaming in a bathtub full of ice and has no real memory of what else happened.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So one.
Speaker B:We also got another.
Speaker B:I already told this to the other detectives, and I just want to say.
Speaker B:Sarah, stop.
Speaker B:This happened literally in last week's episode.
Speaker B:I get that this is, like, in real life.
Speaker B:Yeah, that would probably be the reaction.
Speaker B:But it reminds me of all the times on Law and Order.
Speaker B:Sbu and the victims don't want to testify, and they do that, like, every week.
Speaker B:And it's like, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker B:That that could be reality, but it's not good television for you to keep doing this over and over again.
Speaker A:Like, please, like, we know they're fake cops.
Speaker A:Come on now.
Speaker B:Yeah, we know this guy is not.
Speaker A:I'm sure they're trying to illustrate why people actually talk to them.
Speaker A:But at the same time, like, if you think something really fucked up happened to you, aren't you going to, like, tell every.
Speaker A:You're going to be like, no, somebody solved this shit.
Speaker A:I will tell everybody what happened so you can solve this fucking shit that happened to me.
Speaker A:Somebody stole my fucking kidney.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:People complain when cops don't go in and investigate things.
Speaker B:They don't complain because cops, unless you're guilty, that cops are asking too many questions about who went in and cut your kidney out.
Speaker A:I'm so tired of telling my story to the police who are thoroughly investigating this serious case against.
Speaker A:That happened to me.
Speaker B:Fuck, man.
Speaker B:Yeah, so anyways, also.
Speaker B:So guy waking up in a bathtub full of ice.
Speaker B:That's a fucking urban legend.
Speaker B:So I think it's going to be some time for some lore.
Speaker B:Any lore?
Speaker A:Lore?
Speaker B:All right, so this is an urban legend that I think most of us are familiar with, right?
Speaker B:Usually it goes something like, guy goes drinking.
Speaker B:He wakes up at a hotel in a bathtub full of ice with a note taped to him to go to a hospital.
Speaker B:And then you find out that his kidney's been removed.
Speaker B:According to OMG Facts, which I'm sure is a very authenticated, well, peer reviewed website, the organ theft legend became popular through email chains in the 90s with headlines like travelers beware.
Speaker B:And then your older relative would read it and they would freak out and they would send it to you in a chain letter and then to all your other friends, and then your aunt would call you and be like, oh, my God, did you.
Speaker B:Like, why are you traveling anymore?
Speaker B:They're taking organs.
Speaker B:This is the original Facebook and WhatsApp chains of this.
Speaker B:Kids.
Speaker B:Like, you don't know this shit used to come through your email and, like, you had to be like, stop, mom, this isn't.
Speaker B:Stop forwarding this shit.
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker B:You know this isn't true, right?
Speaker B:But, like, it got so, like, this is one of those urban legends that took off, like, so fucking bad that in New Orleans in the late 90s, there was rumors going around that tourists were being drugs and drugged and having their organs harvested.
Speaker B:And so the police actually had to release a statement to the public being like, nah, this is not true.
Speaker B:Like, this is not Happening guys, calm the fuck down.
Speaker A:Just in on it.
Speaker A:They're just in on it.
Speaker B:They're going to sit on it.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're going to take that.
Speaker B:But you have to go to the pizza place, they order it and then like then you get the deliver in your pizza box.
Speaker B:So that's where like the children were first.
Speaker B:Like they were actually.
Speaker B:Organs are like, oh, we got caught onto this and now we have to like sing children IKEA furniture.
Speaker B:But it also like this urban.
Speaker B:The legend was not only limited to the United States and I think, I think it's also interesting about this too when you think about it spread and we talked about this a little bit on some other urban legends is how like fast this stuff spreads once we get the Internet and email and we're able to like spread it out and like so how much farther it goes.
Speaker B:And shit got bad.
Speaker B:It went down to Latin America and Guatemalan thought that American tourists were like traveling down there to kidnap children and steal their organs.
Speaker B:And then an eight woman's eight year old child went missing and she accused this woman from Alaska named June Weinstock of kidnapping her.
Speaker B:She was.
Speaker B:June was stabbed and beaten so badly that she ended up in a coma with broken arms and a fractured skull and US Marines guarding her hotel room.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker B:And then they found the kid.
Speaker B:But like that is.
Speaker A:Oopsie.
Speaker B:Yeah, that is.
Speaker B:But that's how much this like urban legend was believable.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:There is no like basis in that.
Speaker B:And granted there is a huge black market for organs.
Speaker B:And yes, sometimes organs are stolen, but usually it's, it's usually people buying them from other people and then selling them illegally because the transplant list suck and stuff.
Speaker B:But yeah, so, so like saying like.
Speaker A:I saying I decided I wanted to like sell one of my kidneys or part of my liver on the black market.
Speaker B:You can't sell it.
Speaker B:You can't sell it.
Speaker B:You can donate your.
Speaker B:You can donate.
Speaker B:This is actually, this is something.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:I'm sure you can.
Speaker B:No, you can.
Speaker B:It's illegal though.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, so yeah, so I'm sure I like, if I wanted to illegally sell.
Speaker A:I'm just kidding.
Speaker B:No, but there are backdoor deals where people go in and they will sell because the transplant list is awful.
Speaker B:Like it's.
Speaker B:And it's not, you know, it's not the people who are running that.
Speaker B:It's, you know, you people who won't donate your organs.
Speaker B:Sign a goddamn donor card, you're dead.
Speaker B:You don't need that.
Speaker A:I don't Think anybody wants my liver, but.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, that's true.
Speaker B:No, I mean, you could try and take.
Speaker A:Or my lungs, man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Probably don't want most.
Speaker B:I'm like, what?
Speaker B:My skin, though?
Speaker B:My skin is great for research.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I have like.
Speaker B:And it is the largest organ of the.
Speaker B:Of the body.
Speaker B:So you can totally have my skin.
Speaker B:Do you all.
Speaker B:Do you want to use it to learn how to tattoo?
Speaker B:That's fine.
Speaker B:But you're going to have to find a spot.
Speaker B:And there's not a lot of it, so.
Speaker B:But there's a lot.
Speaker B:You are welcome to do studies on any part of my corpse.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:What you wanted.
Speaker B:You want to put party hats on.
Speaker A:Me and dance around taxidermied body?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker A:Don't.
Speaker B:I saw the best taxidermy thing last night.
Speaker B:I'll have to send it to you, doctor.
Speaker B:Oh man, it was so good.
Speaker B:It was this like commercial from the 90s where this guy had the taxidermy going by.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I had to.
Speaker B:I had to find it.
Speaker B:It's so good.
Speaker A:Well, either way.
Speaker A:So it is illegal to sell your organs on the black market or to purchase organs in the black market.
Speaker B:Pretty much anything that involves the word black market is going to be illegal.
Speaker A:So it is illegal to sell or purchase human organs, period.
Speaker B:That is straight up, yes.
Speaker B:That is not legal.
Speaker B:Just in case you weren't sure.
Speaker A:This episode talks a lot about it, so we're being really clear.
Speaker A:And it's also legal to just steal someone's organs.
Speaker B:It is also illegal to chloroform somebody, surgically cut out their organs and.
Speaker B:And then use them for yourself.
Speaker B:That is also illegal.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:I'm just establishing a baseline of fact.
Speaker B:We do not represent lawyers.
Speaker B:Consultant.
Speaker B:I feel like at my job, nothing on this.
Speaker A:Nothing on this show should be construed as legal advice ever.
Speaker B:Or medical advice, food advice, life advice.
Speaker B:Like pretty much don't take any advice from either of us.
Speaker B:That is pretty much.
Speaker A:Much a good for entertainment purposes only.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:So that was many.
Speaker B:Laura.
Speaker B:Moving on.
Speaker B:And we got so many of these coming up.
Speaker A:All right, so Sam's talking about how this guy's incision was just sewed up with.
Speaker A:With silk, which was used in the early 19th century.
Speaker A:And then they would also use maggots to heal the infection.
Speaker B:Okay, so I told you.
Speaker B:Lots of many.
Speaker B:Loremus1.
Speaker B:So basically Sam says, okay, so Mr. Has.
Speaker B:Haha.
Speaker B:Mr. Giggles.
Speaker B:And I don't remember what that is referencing.
Speaker B:I think maybe Dean calls Sam Mr. Giggles.
Speaker B:I don't know, I just have.
Speaker B:Haha.
Speaker B:Mr. Giggles right here.
Speaker A:Dean says ganked, and I just knew you'd be upset about that too.
Speaker B:I actually don't have that marked in here.
Speaker B:All right, so Sam says silk used to be the suture of choice back in the early 19th century.
Speaker B:It was really problematic.
Speaker B:Patients would get massive infections.
Speaker B:The death rate was in.
Speaker B:I don't think that's entirely accurate just because there are a lot of reasons for infections beyond, like you, you.
Speaker B:You use dirty scalpels.
Speaker B:You know, like you were eating lunch over people.
Speaker B:Like, you know, just you were licking wounds.
Speaker B:Like there were all sorts of things that were happening during this time that just weren't sanitary.
Speaker B:So that.
Speaker A:That couldn't be totally blamed on the suture material.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it is a biological material.
Speaker B:So this can absorb bodily fluids and be a foci.
Speaker B:So obviously this is a quote from.
Speaker B:From somebody way smarter than me.
Speaker B:So you can have that.
Speaker B:But that's probably not the main reason, but fun fact.
Speaker B:The founder of gynecology, I did not know there was someone who found a gynecology.
Speaker B:Like, did he just decide, like, I want to look at vags?
Speaker B:Like, how do you become the founder?
Speaker A:Thank you and fuck you.
Speaker B:Yeah, both like.
Speaker B:So that speculum is what you went with.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:Anyway, so.
Speaker B:But they are the one who invented the use of silver wire, which is antibacterial, for sutures instead of the silk threads.
Speaker B:Today, most sutures are synthetic, but there actually has been an uptick in using more genetic materials and biological stuff because.
Speaker A:It dissolves or it absorbs and it heals better.
Speaker B:It's better for you, but it's generally.
Speaker B:It's usually just being done in a lab or the other things.
Speaker B:Also, we're just not lacing it with other infected things when we put it in.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's sanitary is what you're saying?
Speaker B:Yeah, it's more sanitary, hopefully.
Speaker B:All right, so maggots.
Speaker B:Maggots.
Speaker B:Magic maggots.
Speaker B:I almost wanted to say at the beginning of this episode, like, I warned you that it was going to be a gross one, but it just.
Speaker B:Yeah, they kind of went all out in this, which was.
Speaker B:It's very horror show, like, which I do kind of like.
Speaker B:So I went off on like this whole thing where I just went down.
Speaker B:So maggots.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So according to the Official Companion, Season 3 is Supernatural.
Speaker B:The maggots were real.
Speaker B:And so according to Toby Lindella, the head of special effects makeup, we had her arm layered up in prosthetics, but then covered in maggots A maggot wrangler would count them every day and make sure that no maggots were harmed.
Speaker B:They could even have.
Speaker B:They even had their own little trailer.
Speaker B:We use rice for some of the running through the field stuff, though she was not dropping the actual maggots questions.
Speaker A:Maggot wrangler.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Okay, so which I went down like a rabbit hole trying one.
Speaker B:IMDb does not have the person who was the animal wrangler listed for this on the, on the site.
Speaker B:So I was like, damn it.
Speaker B:I could not find out who the actual maggot wrangler was for this.
Speaker B:But so there are a number of animal agencies, like, so where you go and get your cute dogs and your cats and your lynxes and bears and wolves again, I had a fun damn time just looking at all their pictures.
Speaker A:That's why you were looking at animals?
Speaker B:Well, I mean, I'm always looking at animals.
Speaker B:That's why I was looking specifically for this show at Actor animal, Actor animals, you know, the extra good boys.
Speaker B:And so there is a.
Speaker B:According to the Humane Society, you know how you see like at the end of like movies and stuff, it says no animals were harmed.
Speaker B:So that is actually from the American Humane association.
Speaker B:And they have like a list of all the things in there.
Speaker B:And there are guidelines, like a whole insect interacting.
Speaker B:Guidelines that tell you, like, all these things that you have to do when you have insects.
Speaker B:Like, so if, like insects are brought on set for filming, filters, nets or screens we place over the lighting to prevent the insects from flying into the lights.
Speaker B:Bees and others.
Speaker A:You can't just let them be stupid and do that shit.
Speaker B:No, because she's counting the maggots.
Speaker A:So maggots are not disposable is what I've learned.
Speaker B:No, she had to count all the maggots.
Speaker B:That's why she was a wrangler.
Speaker B:Bees and other spirit species of insects and arachnids shall not be used in filming when the air temperature is below 55 degrees Fahrenheit.
Speaker B:So they're like bees and other specific species.
Speaker B:And cold weather is self limiting because they won't fly or move because they're not made to be in the corner.
Speaker B:Insects and arachnids that are by law deemed invasive species shall not be released.
Speaker B:Certain species of insects and arachnids that are beneficial to the environment.
Speaker B:Others, such as locusts, moths and species of beetles, shall not be released.
Speaker B:Non indigenous species shall not be released.
Speaker B:And they have whole guidelines about, like, if you're releasing insects and arachnids you're supposed to contact the American Humane association for.
Speaker B:First consideration must be given to the delicate respiratory systems of insects and arachnids.
Speaker B:Insects and arachnids must not work in poor quality air quality conditions based on their species, such as in the presence of any type of aerosol smoke and or chemicals, including insect repellent.
Speaker B:People working in close proximity to insects and arachnids shall not smoke as nicotine is insecticide and is harmful to insects and arachnids.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:I can't, I can't.
Speaker A:Okay, noted.
Speaker A:All right, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, so there's.
Speaker A:So there's maggots.
Speaker B:The maggot thing.
Speaker B:Like I could.
Speaker B:That this fucking actress.
Speaker A:How.
Speaker B:I mean, I know is on prosthetics, but like also, hello, Herb Nightmare.
Speaker B:Being strapped down and having something crawling on you.
Speaker B:That's pretty nice.
Speaker A:And Dean makes reference to Antiques Roadshow surgery at this point, by the way, talking about the silk and the maggots.
Speaker A:But this reminds them about dad telling them about Doc Benton who was obsessed with living forever and when parts wear out, he would just replace them.
Speaker A:But he likes to find a. Huh, hold on, let me do this.
Speaker A:So he likes to.
Speaker A:He's going to want to reside in a place that has dense forest with access to a river or stream so that he can dump bile, intestines and fecal matter.
Speaker B:I have a lot of questions on that.
Speaker B:Like, so I mean, you're not dumping the whole body in there, right?
Speaker B:Because he was leaving the body else.
Speaker B:And just.
Speaker A:I don't know, I just.
Speaker A:I really just think that Sam was trying to make Dean yak or not be able to finish his burger.
Speaker A:That's really all he was really trying for, I think.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:All right, so Laura again, more lore.
Speaker B:Lore or lore?
Speaker B:Mini lore.
Speaker A:Mini lore too.
Speaker B:All right, so Doc Bitten.
Speaker B:So they're right.
Speaker B:He's from New Hampshire and he is an urban legend.
Speaker B:The most well known version of this is that Thomas Hart Bitten was born sometimes between the 18th and 19th century and he went to Germany to go learn medicine.
Speaker B:While he was there, he got interested in alchemy and the pursuit of eternal life.
Speaker B:He came back to New Hampshire and became the town doctor with the practice of a cabin in the the woods.
Speaker B:Something tragic happens and he locks himself in the cabin.
Speaker B:Usually it's like his wife died.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Then all the animals start dying and all the animals have a weird wound behind their left ear.
Speaker B:So then they find a corpse stolen and it was found next to another body.
Speaker B:And both had the mark behind the Ear the town folks went to the cabin, the doc was missing and never seen again.
Speaker B:Except that people would see him in the woods, always in a black cape, always with long white hair, and he always moved really fast.
Speaker B:So it is a tradition for the, the people at Dartmouth Lodge in New Hampshire to tell soon to be college freshmen that Doc Bitten is coming after them.
Speaker B:And that is the mini lore on Doc Bitten.
Speaker A:All right, so we see.
Speaker A:We cut to.
Speaker B:Did you say that John killed him?
Speaker B:Talk about that?
Speaker A:About what?
Speaker B:That John.
Speaker B:They thought John killed the original doctor Bitten.
Speaker A:Oh, no, I missed that.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:That's a pretty big, big thing.
Speaker B:So the reason that they know so much about Doc is that it's in John's journal because they think that John killed him in the 80s.
Speaker B:So that is why they're like, what?
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:So, okay, so we get, we cut to a guy jogging through a park and onto a pier and it's not dark.
Speaker A:And then he gets chloroformed.
Speaker A:And his heart rate monitor is very annoying during this whole scene.
Speaker A:And then we see him in on a gurney with.
Speaker A:And there's a jar of maggots.
Speaker A:So we get a good close up of that and the creepy doctor and that's covered in stitches.
Speaker A:We finally get a good look at him at this point and he's kind of terrifying.
Speaker A:He's pretty gross.
Speaker A:Then he cuts open the jogger's chest and cuts his ribs and removes is hard.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So chloroform.
Speaker A:Chloroform.
Speaker A:We got Liz, lesson in chloroform.
Speaker A:Yeah, about this time is when I started texting Liz, like, what do you know about chloroform?
Speaker B:And then I was like, do I need to introduce you to the encrypted text apps that I use?
Speaker A:I mean, it's from, it's from the show, Liz.
Speaker B:It's not the show.
Speaker B:But I'm going to tell you that when I went to research this, I did it over a vpn.
Speaker B:I did it through a Tor browser.
Speaker B:Like, I, I know I could, I, I could still be tracked, but I'm on a lot of lists, man.
Speaker B:Like, I'm just going to try and make the list like, a little harder to come by.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:So somebody in Germany was researching chloroform for me, so.
Speaker B:How nice of them.
Speaker B:Okay, so I guess the first question Diana had was, how do you get chloroform?
Speaker A:Well, is it like a pharmaceutical?
Speaker A:I mean, like, some of the stuff is like a pharmaceutical that's used in other purposes.
Speaker B:It's not illegal.
Speaker B:It's illegal on.
Speaker A:So chloroform to purchase and to own is not illegal.
Speaker A:It is illegal to use it to harm another person.
Speaker B:Yes, but there's a.
Speaker B:Yes, but.
Speaker B:So it is labeled in the carcinogen class of drugs and is classified.
Speaker B:It's extremely hazardous, hazardous substance in the US So that makes it strict.
Speaker B:Strict.
Speaker B:Subject to strict reporting requirements by facilities that produce, store, or use it in quantities.
Speaker B:But I mean, I found like, the first website I went to, I could buy it for $40.
Speaker A:I guess it's used for things other than.
Speaker A:I guess that's used for things other than like abduction.
Speaker A:And it.
Speaker B:It has been used for other things.
Speaker B:It's used in, like, cleaning and a lot of.
Speaker B:There are a lot of industrial uses for it.
Speaker B:And so you can also get it on ebay.
Speaker B:You can.
Speaker B:I also saw some on Amazon.
Speaker A:So it's noted.
Speaker B:Noted.
Speaker B:You can just go buy it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Um, and also, if you want, you can just make your own.
Speaker B:And is that.
Speaker A:Is that a craft or a science experiment?
Speaker B:It's distilling.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Because a lot of people who buy chloroform are wineries.
Speaker B:Because it's part of the distilling.
Speaker B:It can be part of the distilling process.
Speaker B:Because I know when I was like, attempting to buy it, I don't know if I did or did not, but they asked like, what industry you're in and winery was.
Speaker B:Was one of the industries and then dropped down.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, but there are instructions on the Internet how to make your own.
Speaker B:There's also YouTube videos on.
Speaker B:Is highly dangerous to make this.
Speaker B:Again, don't do anything we talk about.
Speaker B:This is bad.
Speaker A:We're not advising you to do it.
Speaker A:We are just sharing information.
Speaker B:This is like, it's pretty easy to make and I'm not going to give you the recipe.
Speaker B:You can look it up your damn self if you want to learn to make chloroform.
Speaker A:Simple yet dangerous.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's basically like making meth.
Speaker B:Like, you know, you can do.
Speaker A:Do it.
Speaker B:You might blow up.
Speaker B:You may blow something up.
Speaker B:If you're a.
Speaker B:If you're making your own chloroform, you're probably a.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so the other last thing real quick on.
Speaker B:On the other question, I think is, you know, how does this affect you?
Speaker B:Like, or, you know, how do you.
Speaker A:So they use TV all the time and you see people pass the out like, oh, cloth face.
Speaker A:Ooh, unconscious.
Speaker B:So according to Shlomo Davidson on Quora, you seem to have legit backgrounds and other people have ticked it.
Speaker B:So I also disliked his.
Speaker B:His turn of phrase.
Speaker B:So according to.
Speaker B:And also the fact that his name is Shlomo, even though I'm sure it's fake.
Speaker B:But Shlomo says that it takes about five minutes to induce anesthesia with chloroform, and that is under conditions with a willing patient or a patient in restraints.
Speaker B:So even with a fully soaked rag, you're going to have to hold your victim still, employing higher physical strength, which begs the question, why not just choke the victim unconscious, which takes 15 seconds maximum, and then you can just inject them with 150 plus milligrams of ketamine, which would cause unconsciousness.
Speaker B:One or two minutes.
Speaker B:Alex, you're awesome.
Speaker A:I mean, he's not wrong.
Speaker B:He's not wrong.
Speaker B:And then he also said five minutes is a long.
Speaker B:That is a long time to be sitting there with, like, a rag over somebody's head and they're having.
Speaker B:Have been, you know, murderers who have.
Speaker B:Murderers who have used this as their, like, M.O.
Speaker B:Did.
Speaker B:Like, it has happened.
Speaker B:But that sounds.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Also so in the.
Speaker B:How long that you're knocked out, it knocks you out for as long as it is applied.
Speaker B:This could be for 20 minutes to two hours, with a 20 to 30 minute recovery time, during which there will be intense shivering, severe nausea, and more than likely vomiting than a severe headache lasting hours.
Speaker A:So awful.
Speaker B:It's Covid.
Speaker B:So basically, you get.
Speaker A:If you get chloroformed.
Speaker B:So if you want to know what Covid feels like, go make yourself some chloroform and, like, put it over your face, and then you can.
Speaker B:You can figure out what.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Sounds unpleasant.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:So that's not how they make it look on tv, Liz.
Speaker B:Well, sometimes the TV isn't.
Speaker B:Isn't true.
Speaker B:I'm sure we could find another knockout thing that would be faster.
Speaker B:And, you know, I mean, people like, what was.
Speaker B:There's a couple of, like, pop culture things that I was trying to find.
Speaker B:One was like, after, like, dawn gets chloroformed, like, she has a quote to Xander, which is really funny.
Speaker B:Like, I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Like, he asked her something.
Speaker B:She's like, I'm sorry I couldn't remember you because I was chloroformed.
Speaker B:But there was, like.
Speaker B:Wasn't there a character in a movie or a TV show that was always, like, sniffing it?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:What was that?
Speaker B:It wasn't Rocky Horror.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I have to find that.
Speaker B:But you're picturing it, too, right?
Speaker B:This guy who was just, like, breathing in himself.
Speaker B:I can't.
Speaker B:I can't remember.
Speaker B:But anyways, yeah, Chloroform.
Speaker B:Buy it on ebay.
Speaker B:Don't tell them I sent you.
Speaker B:Ooh, also, I just opened another beer, and it's fucking delicious.
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker B:I was concerned that it would not be.
Speaker B:This is cookie dough.
Speaker B:Stack out.
Speaker A:I just want cookie dough.
Speaker B:And it's brewed by the Martin House Company from Fort Worth.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, I like them.
Speaker B:We've been there.
Speaker B:I think it's delicious.
Speaker B:It tastes like.
Speaker B:It tastes like my favorite ice cream, which is cookies and cream, so I probably shouldn't have tasted how good this was.
Speaker A:All right, so we get who we cut to.
Speaker A:The runner.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the runner had that really annoying heart monitor.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:And then, like, I did love the.
Speaker B:It was moved out of his resting heart rate.
Speaker B:And for any of you who joined Orange Theory, I was like, he's going to get into the splat zone.
Speaker B:So if you ever go to Orange Theory, you know what that is.
Speaker B:If not.
Speaker B:Okay, move on.
Speaker B:So Doc Fenton's fucking terrifying, and he's wearing a mask.
Speaker B:Way to forecast supernatural.
Speaker B:Oh, are you going to do who he is?
Speaker A:Not yet.
Speaker B:Okay, good.
Speaker A:Not yet.
Speaker A:We didn't get a good look at him yet.
Speaker A:We'll get there.
Speaker A:So we cut to the outside of the Erie, which is apparently where the brothers are staying.
Speaker A:But it looks like an old theater.
Speaker A:But apparently it's, like, apartments.
Speaker B:It really did look like a movie theater.
Speaker B:Like, it was very good.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, this is a badass old theater.
Speaker A:I like old theaters.
Speaker A:Anyways, so.
Speaker A:And the brothers are there, and Bobby calls Dean.
Speaker A:He's like, look, I've got a lead on Bella with this dude, Rufus Turner, who I know, and I think he's in canon.
Speaker A:How do I say Canon?
Speaker A:Canaan, Vermont.
Speaker A:Why can't I say that?
Speaker A:That's so stupid.
Speaker B:Anyway, this is super name.
Speaker A:So Dean's ready to go.
Speaker A:He's like, fuck this.
Speaker A:Let's go.
Speaker A:Let's drop the case.
Speaker A:Who cares?
Speaker A:Let's go check down Bella.
Speaker A:Sounds like, no, we gotta stay and finish this job, though.
Speaker A:He's like, look, we're.
Speaker A:You know, he's like, this job is solving your case.
Speaker A:What the good is the gun gonna do, you know, Bella doesn't have it anymore.
Speaker A:Let's go.
Speaker A:Let's, you know, chase immortality so we can prevent you from dying in three weeks.
Speaker A:And Dean's, like, pissed.
Speaker A:He's like, no, because that risks your life, and this is bullshit.
Speaker A:Makes a Sit and Nancy.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Reference.
Speaker B:But said you are the Sex Pistols.
Speaker B:He also calls doc bitten Slicey McCaby, which I enjoyed.
Speaker A:So they're mad.
Speaker A:So Sam.
Speaker A:Sam stays and Dean leaves.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:But they also do some very serious eye acting with each other as they say goodbye.
Speaker A:They're very sad about it, but both.
Speaker B:Doing some pretty dangerous shit.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, neither of these things seem like good ideas to be doing on your own.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, I know you don't have a lot of friends, but like, phone a friend, dude.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Rufus go.
Speaker A:I'm sorry, Rufus.
Speaker A:Dean goes to Vermont to meet Rufus.
Speaker A:He finds this weird old house.
Speaker A:It's like a really old house, but it's got like super high tech, like cameras on it.
Speaker A:Well, for that time, yeah.
Speaker A:And he convinces Rufus to let him in because he brought the bottle of Johnny Walker Blue label that, that Bobby had suggested.
Speaker B:He also waited a long time.
Speaker B:And we do get this fun, like, introduction to Rufus.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Because we get to start hearing.
Speaker B:Character is like, so, like, you know, like, you know, Bobby sent me.
Speaker B:So, so, so.
Speaker B:And he also has a fun sign on his door that says no solicitors.
Speaker B:That means you.
Speaker B:No asking for donations, no selling anything.
Speaker B:So we already know that he is going to be like quite a character.
Speaker A:He's a crotchety character.
Speaker B:I love him.
Speaker A:So Rufus is played by Stephen Williams, who's been in a ton of shit.
Speaker A:He was Lionel Hoffman on a TV show called Stumptown, which only survived one season.
Speaker A:But I really.
Speaker A:He's Joe Ridgway on Locke and Key.
Speaker A:He plays Captain Erickson in Birds of Prey.
Speaker A:He was in the New It.
Speaker A:He's been in episodes of Bones, Anti Zombie.
Speaker A:He was an ongoing character called Mr. X in X Files.
Speaker A:He was a character in can't read that one.
Speaker A:He was in Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman, which is really funny now, by the way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he was in Karina Kareena.
Speaker A:He was in 21 Jump Street.
Speaker A:He was in Hill Street Blues.
Speaker A:He was in MacGyver, the A team.
Speaker A:Like, even if it was just single episodes, he was in all of these like classic, classic shows including Dallas.
Speaker A:And he was in the Blues Brothers.
Speaker B:Yes, he was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:He's a fucking rock star.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Pretty awesome.
Speaker A:But so he's kind of a dick to Dean overall, which is kind of funny.
Speaker B:And then he just doesn't really bother, man.
Speaker B:He wants to hang out, out of his house and like, drink his whiskey and fuck off, man.
Speaker B:Like, I get it, Rufus.
Speaker B:I feel you.
Speaker A:So he's.
Speaker A:He said, yeah, that Bella was there to buy something from him.
Speaker A:And he's like, why are you wasting time hunting her when you've only got three weeks left?
Speaker A:And Dean's like, I want to know what you know.
Speaker A:And he's like, the cult's not going to save you.
Speaker A:And for folks like them, there is no happy ending.
Speaker A:And so Dean says, ain't you a basket of sunshine or a bucket of sunshine?
Speaker B:Yeah, but also, like, so even Rufus knows about this shit.
Speaker B:Like, everybody.
Speaker B:Like, this is not a secret.
Speaker B:Like, this is just, like, how the fuck did Rufus know about this?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like, so.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then we cut, and Sam's alone in the woods in a jeep that he rented off his.
Speaker B:Also, I also want to stop before you go to that.
Speaker A:And then we come back to Rufus.
Speaker B:Yeah, Rufus is really, really dark.
Speaker B:Dark, dark, dark.
Speaker A:Quote.
Speaker B:He says, even if, basically he tells, like, you even get out of this, you're still going to die.
Speaker B:Because that's the job, kid.
Speaker B:Even if you manage to scrape out of this one, there's just going to be something else down the road.
Speaker B:Folks like us, there ain't no happy ending.
Speaker B:We all got it coming.
Speaker B:Like, and that's insanely dark.
Speaker A:Yeah, right?
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker B:And Sam locks his car, too, when he goes into the woods.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's really weird.
Speaker A:So Rufus says that, look, Bella's at this hotel, Kanan, and the room number is 39, but there's things that you don't know about her.
Speaker A:Her.
Speaker A:And it's like, yeah, she doesn't have.
Speaker A:She has her finger.
Speaker A:Her fingerprints have been burned off years ago.
Speaker A:And my question on the day also was like, does that really work?
Speaker A:I don't think it kind of grew back.
Speaker B:Or you can burn off your fingerprints.
Speaker B:You might want to burn them off.
Speaker B:Acids a better way.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And then he asks, Rufus, asks Dean, do you do her ear?
Speaker B:Yeah, I did have.
Speaker B:First, I had a think heck, at a young, pretty moment here, because I was like, how do you get an ear print?
Speaker B:And I was like, what are they?
Speaker B:Like, how are you?
Speaker B:Like, I think it was like, picture, like shoving something up against somebody's ear.
Speaker B:And then I was like, oh, he means a picture.
Speaker B:And I was like, all right, let's.
Speaker B:Let's see where this goes.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it's a thing.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:And it could be the most accurate and least intrusive ways to identify people.
Speaker A:Bless your Van Gogh.
Speaker B:Bless your Van Gogh.
Speaker B:And so computer scientist Kevin Boyer of Notre Dame, who's pursuing his own ear recognition technology and is not involved with the previous one, said there's real power in using the appearance of an ear for computer recognition compared to facial recognition.
Speaker B:It's roughly equivalent, if not better.
Speaker B:So instead of, like, showing your iPhone to your face, you could be showing your iPhone to your ear.
Speaker B:But also, I'm like, damn, like, thinking about facial recognition as you're going through things.
Speaker B:I'm like, nope.
Speaker B:Always wear a hoodie, always wear a turban, wear headphones, wear earmuffs.
Speaker B:Like, you're not going to see my ears, like, out anywhere.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm glad.
Speaker A:I thought about cutting my hair off, and now I don't want to.
Speaker B:You know your ears, man.
Speaker A:You know, there was a.
Speaker A:You know, there was a study that Juggalo makeup can beat facial recognition.
Speaker B:I do know that it's true because.
Speaker A:It changes, like, looking for the plate.
Speaker A:Like, facial recognition software is looking for the planes of your face.
Speaker A:And, like, basically, like, clown makeup fucks that shit up.
Speaker A:Which juggle makeup is basically black and white cloud makeup.
Speaker A:So there you go.
Speaker A:That's your hot tip to not take as legal advice for the day.
Speaker B:I wonder if extreme contouring would do that too.
Speaker B:Like, would a drag.
Speaker A:I mean, and some of the.
Speaker A:Some of the contouring, just like some fancy girls do nowadays.
Speaker A:I fancy girls meaning, like, girls that are better at makeup than me.
Speaker B:It was like, ladies in the night.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I feel like bitches that have time and energy to do way fancier makeup than I do.
Speaker B:You have YouTube.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:Like, but also, like, the girls are, like, the super conscious.
Speaker B:Like, that super.
Speaker A:It changes, like, the shape of their face.
Speaker A:Like, it makes your face shape look different.
Speaker B:Well, will that.
Speaker B:Could that help you pass facial recognition but also, like, a drag queen?
Speaker B:Like, you're blocking out your eye eyebrows, raising them up, like.
Speaker A:But it would.
Speaker A:Does your phone open?
Speaker B:Well, my phone.
Speaker B:I don't know about you, but my phone won't open when I'm wearing a mask.
Speaker A:Oh, I don't wear a mask.
Speaker A:Not in a mask.
Speaker A:On.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:All right, well, okay, back to it.
Speaker A:Sorry, guys.
Speaker A:Yeah, so her ear.
Speaker B:Apologize.
Speaker A:I'm not sorry.
Speaker A:We were talking about important guys.
Speaker B:Great.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So Rufus has a massive file on Bella, though.
Speaker A:We cut back to Sam, who's now creeping around a creepy house by himself, alone in the woods.
Speaker A:And it's dark out now.
Speaker A:And he finds a creepy book and finds a cellar to go down the stairs to.
Speaker A:And of course in the cellar, what does he find?
Speaker A:A body on a gurney.
Speaker A:And it's a creepy makeshift hospital.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam, you're by yourself, so you just got to wander through an organ thieves cabin by yourself.
Speaker A:No weapons drop.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then even like a better idea is like, you know what?
Speaker B:I'm gonna go to mass murderers basement.
Speaker B:That seems great.
Speaker B:Like this.
Speaker B:What the is wrong with you?
Speaker B:Who does this?
Speaker A:No, so he finds what the guy.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The man's body on the gurney is dead.
Speaker A:But then there is a female on the other one and she is unconscious but alive and has maggots all over her arm.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker A:She wakes up.
Speaker A:So he's trying to help her.
Speaker A:But as he's trying to help her, guess who comes home?
Speaker A:Dr. Benton.
Speaker A:But we cut and we see Dr. Benton searching for them in the house.
Speaker A:And the windows open and they're gone.
Speaker A:Sam and the girl are gone.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think doc, Dr.
Speaker B:Gross.
Speaker B:And now are we going to talk about who he is?
Speaker B:I can't wait.
Speaker B:Are we waiting still?
Speaker B:I'm just like, I just want to talk about him.
Speaker A:Talk about him.
Speaker B:We can.
Speaker B:I just think, I just want to like.
Speaker B:I think he's less terrifying when he doesn't have the mask on.
Speaker B:Which it makes me think.
Speaker B:I've developed just like a mask folk like because of like, oh my God, you're in a mask and clean like.
Speaker B:And so I don't know if I'm just tired of see masks or what.
Speaker B:But like when he was in the mask, I'm like.
Speaker B:And then without him, like, okay, yeah.
Speaker A:That's an era of a level of mystique, I think, to somebody to have part of their face covered.
Speaker A:And it's like a weird.
Speaker A:I don't know, I'm not a fan.
Speaker A:That's what I'll say.
Speaker B:But also like, if you're immoral, do you need to wear a surgical mask when you're cutting somebody open?
Speaker A:A very good question.
Speaker A:Maybe you just don't want to get juices squirting in your mouth because it's gross.
Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker B:Fair.
Speaker A:Because that mask didn't look like it was.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're all well versed in what masks do now.
Speaker B:And we're like, no, no, that mask does not have enough layers.
Speaker A:That's not even the layers.
Speaker A:It was just looked like it had been like not cleaned ever.
Speaker B:There was a PPP shortage and he could only get the one mask so he said, Wear.
Speaker B:Wearing it for 60 days.
Speaker A:So good old Doc Benton.
Speaker A:We'll go now.
Speaker A:Is played by Billy Drago.
Speaker A: ding the Hills have Eyes, the: Speaker A:He was in Charmed.
Speaker A:He was in X Files.
Speaker A:He was in Adventures of Briscoe County Jr.
Speaker A:He was in the Untouchables as one of his bigger film roles.
Speaker A:He was on Hill Street Blues.
Speaker A:He also did a bunch of movies with Chuck Norris, including, but not limited to Invasion usa, Hero and the Terror, and Delta Force Two.
Speaker B:Yeah, not Delta Force One.
Speaker B:Delta Force Two.
Speaker A:He also is a father to another actor named Darren Burrow, who played Milton in Crybaby.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And also was a Northern Exposure and was just a delightful actor when he was younger.
Speaker B:Not that he is not a delightful act actor now, but I really loved him.
Speaker B:He's young also.
Speaker B:Sadly, Drago has passed away, I believe, so, you know, rest in peace.
Speaker B:I honestly know him most as Barnabas from Charmed, like, because he was a recurring character on that.
Speaker B:And he was.
Speaker B:That was the monster who fed on fear, which I think is kind of an appropriate thing for this one, right?
Speaker B:A little bit.
Speaker B:All right, so Sam has escaped and we have the rental car because he locked it.
Speaker B:He has.
Speaker B:And like, why did you lock this car?
Speaker B:You're in the woods like this.
Speaker B:No one's going to steal your fucking rental car.
Speaker B:That you.
Speaker B:Where did you get a rental car, Sam?
Speaker B:Did you steal it?
Speaker B:Because you probably did.
Speaker B:And so, like, why.
Speaker B:Why are you protecting your insurance?
Speaker B:All that makes no sense.
Speaker A:I'm an asshole and thought this chick was being a fucking pussy.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Her.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker B:Her way.
Speaker B:She was in the car.
Speaker A:I'm like, I'm sure your arm fudgeing hurts, but aren't you trying to not d. Bitch, like, what the fuck?
Speaker B:Like sucking him so much.
Speaker A:Like, sit the fuck up and fucking buck up.
Speaker A:Use that adrenaline and live.
Speaker A:Like, survive.
Speaker A:Don't be a fucking bitch ass.
Speaker B:It's your fucking arm.
Speaker A:It's not like.
Speaker A:It's not like he ripped your liver out.
Speaker B:It's not like that guy at least like, okay, you were bitter, but your kidney was gone.
Speaker B:Yeah, bitch, you had some skin cut off your arm.
Speaker A:Your forearm.
Speaker A:Your forearm.
Speaker A:I'm not saying it doesn't hurt.
Speaker A:I'm not saying that you.
Speaker A:You didn't maybe might not lose your arm.
Speaker A:I'm not saying any of that shit.
Speaker A:And I'm sure it hurts real bad, but you can move and you ain't dead.
Speaker A:Go.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's nowhere but here, here.
Speaker A:Oh, I was so mad.
Speaker A:I was like, this chick's a annoying.
Speaker A:Giving women a bad name.
Speaker A:Toughen up.
Speaker B:Tough enough you suck those maggots up.
Speaker B:I mean, granted, I would be freaked out about the maggots, but.
Speaker B:But although knowing me, I'd probably befriend them and be like, oh, they all would have names.
Speaker A:And that you would say you'd be grossed out and you'd be like, oh, but they're cute.
Speaker B:Yeah, eventually I can make all things cute.
Speaker A:So as they're trying to leave, the doctor shows up, smashes Sam's window and bashes his face in the steering wheel.
Speaker A:Like, oh, old ass doc, Ben got moves.
Speaker A:And so Sam runs him over and drives away.
Speaker B:And Sam looks very delighted when he's like, he's like very kind of angry, but also delighted as he's running him over.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the doctor has to like put his neck back in place.
Speaker B:He just pops that fucker right in.
Speaker B:Like, he goes to the broken and.
Speaker A:Doesn't really match with the like the legacy of him.
Speaker A:Oh, he's immortal because he keeps replacing pieces.
Speaker A:That doesn't mean you can just put a broken neck back together.
Speaker B:Yeah, I have a lot of questions about this because.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, it's science that he's saying.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't, I don't get that.
Speaker B:Also that they had.
Speaker B:I tried to get a screenshot of it, but.
Speaker B:But then TV was kept like flashing the Netflix on it.
Speaker B:But they do this really weird, like zoom in on his cataract eye.
Speaker A:I said his milky eye.
Speaker A:And there's blood dripping.
Speaker B:No offense, if you have a milky eye, but you also don't have.
Speaker B:Whatever, no offense, if you have.
Speaker A:You don't have a stitched up face and blood dripping down it in a creepy ass scene.
Speaker B:And if you do, you be you.
Speaker B:You're beautiful.
Speaker B:But just that, that neck, Poppy, like it's gross.
Speaker B:But also at least like it's.
Speaker B:It was fast, right?
Speaker B:I was like, okay, just because the first I was like.
Speaker B:And then I was like, well, okay,.
Speaker A:Not that, not the Uzi.
Speaker B:Now for some fucking reasons.
Speaker B:Now we're going to shift to the second.
Speaker B:This is why I.
Speaker B:Okay, I really don't like the scene that's coming up.
Speaker B:And yeah, I don't remember at this point.
Speaker B:But so, okay, I'll give you the trigger warning for that in a minute.
Speaker B:But yeah, no, no, I'll get the trigger warning now because it's going to be during this whole scene.
Speaker B:There's going to be some stuff about some childhood trauma that's coming up.
Speaker B:And it's fucking awful and it's very upsetting.
Speaker B:And it triggered me.
Speaker B:So things that.
Speaker B:That fuck with me, who I have no heart and no soul.
Speaker B:So if I am fucked with by this, that is pretty bad from a episode part.
Speaker B:I think this story story is.
Speaker B:They're stupid to have both of them in here.
Speaker B:And I feel like it was forced.
Speaker B:Like I really do.
Speaker B:I feel like these two storylines don't really mesh well.
Speaker B:Okay, all right, so.
Speaker B:But I agree we're flipping to Bella.
Speaker A:I feel like the Bella story needs a little bit more attention and I feel like it's put in here like an afterthought around the Doctor and I don't think that it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker A:But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker B:They had to know that was.
Speaker B:It was a show saying they had to get rid of Bella because they just didn't think that she fit in with the mythology of the show.
Speaker B:And just for other reasons that they just had, they were getting rid of the character and this was how they.
Speaker B:I love Bella.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So Dean ambushes her at the her hotel room.
Speaker A:She tells him like that the cult's fucking gone.
Speaker A:And basically like why are you still, you know, you can go get it if you can speak Farsi and get across the globe.
Speaker A:Basically.
Speaker A:So she says, he's like, no, I'm going to search your.
Speaker A:Anyways, he shoots the ground and he shoots or he shoots, shoots in the general direction of her head like he is ready to fucking kill her.
Speaker A:So he says, and she's like no, you're not that cold blooded.
Speaker A:And he's like wait, did I read that you killed your parents when you were 14 in a shady car accident?
Speaker A:And he figured out that her real name is Abby and after her parents death that she had inherited millions.
Speaker B:Okay, so this is why I'm upset.
Speaker B:And I guess maybe he was attracted.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But okay, so Dean is basically taunting her about her parents being dead and her murdering them.
Speaker B:One this is just shitty.
Speaker B:She was 14.
Speaker B:Use your goddamn brain, Dean.
Speaker B:Who the fuck kills their parents at 14 years old?
Speaker B:And it also points out this very huge flaw in Dean because he thinks that she.
Speaker A:But he thinks that she's completely cold blooded and so why wouldn't he think that she could do that?
Speaker B:He's like, he couldn't imagine why somebody would one killing their parents because he loved his so much and he just hasn't had exposure to different family families which I can get because he was always moving around and he had very little opportunity to go to her friend's house for dinner and see how other people live.
Speaker B:Not everybody had great fucking parents, Dean.
Speaker B:Like, why the fuck are you judging this girl?
Speaker B:Like, you have no idea what's going on.
Speaker B:And we're going to flash you a scene of a younger Bella crying and someone is clearly coming in into her room to fucking molest her.
Speaker B:And it's fucking heartbreaking.
Speaker B:And so it's just, it's fucking tragic.
Speaker B:And Dean, like, it's just being a dick.
Speaker B:And as my number one rule, don't be a dick.
Speaker B:Use your fucking head.
Speaker B:Somebody's parents died when they were 14.
Speaker B:What the fuck are you thinking, Dean?
Speaker B:Like, what the fuck?
Speaker A:Well, I got the impression that he read that in the file that they believed that she had killed her parents.
Speaker A:He wasn't just making it up.
Speaker B:But no, he even at the file said, I believe she killed her parents.
Speaker B:Think about why would a 14 year old girl kill her parents?
Speaker A:Well, I guess if he's.
Speaker A:I'm just defending a little bit because I think that his impression of her is that she is so heartless and so backstabbing and so greedy and that that's just everything about her.
Speaker A:And that's what she could get rich by killing her parents.
Speaker A:Fuck it.
Speaker A:She would.
Speaker A:Because she's already so heartless.
Speaker A:I think that's the perspective he was coming from on that.
Speaker A:And I don't defend Dean's outbursts a lot.
Speaker A:So, so that's.
Speaker B:I think if he just took a step back and was just like, why would.
Speaker A:He never takes a step back.
Speaker B:Oh, and he, but he should have.
Speaker B:It's a dick move.
Speaker B:Like even though, like, even if you did not know the second half of that story is somebody.
Speaker B:If I look at any murder trial of somebody, this is reason why we have things where you should not be tried as an adult if you're 14 years old.
Speaker B:Because a 14 year old who burgers somebody probably had a reason for doing it, right?
Speaker A:Or they were or they weren't developmentally there to do.
Speaker B:Yeah, there is.
Speaker B:Like if her brain was so fucked up that she was that greedy at 14 that still points out that she had issues, right?
Speaker B:Like this is not just.
Speaker B:I don't know, I think he's being really dick.
Speaker B:And, and I think if he just knows Bella because he does, because she's lying to him and she's like, I don't give a damn.
Speaker B:I don't care what happens to you.
Speaker A:She says, they were lovely people.
Speaker A:I Killed them.
Speaker A:I got rich.
Speaker A:I can't get.
Speaker A:Give a damn.
Speaker A:And then like.
Speaker A:Like, I don't care what happens to you.
Speaker A:And that's what she says straight up.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But yeah, go ahead.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So he sees that while they're having this, like, exchange, he notices.
Speaker A:He's kind of like, you know, walk her back a little bit.
Speaker A:But he sees that she's got these kind of like this bundle of sticks above her door.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:So Dean seeing those and he looks, um.
Speaker A:I lost my spot.
Speaker A:I'm so sorry.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:It's okay.
Speaker A:Dean sees her.
Speaker A:Dean sees her.
Speaker A:Dean sees those and is looking at them and has.
Speaker A:And it changes.
Speaker A:Something changes in his perspective at that point in time.
Speaker A:And so at he leaves, he gets.
Speaker A:He decides, like, fuck it, I'm out because she's not doing what he wants.
Speaker B:And he pushes her up against the wall and says, you make me sick.
Speaker B:And so the reason why, like, this is so traumatizing as somebody who is, you know, who has gone through something like this, the fact that it was a writing thing or what, from a character perspective, there is a character who was sexually abused.
Speaker B:And then basically at this point, we don't know how she got out of it, but she got out of it somehow.
Speaker B:And she's dealing with this trauma.
Speaker B:And then somebody tells her, you make me sick.
Speaker B:And it's fudgeing.
Speaker B:Heartbreaking.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:It destroyed me.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was very, very upsetting.
Speaker B:And it's obviously still very upsetting to me.
Speaker A:So I get that.
Speaker A:And that's a weird writing choice, definitely, to put that in there or, you.
Speaker B:Know, I mean, especially for something that's not fleshed out, right.
Speaker B:To have this.
Speaker A:And this is a vague thing.
Speaker A:I didn't.
Speaker A:That bothered me too.
Speaker A:I'm like, if they're going to do this, if you're going to make this fucking storyline, make it an arc, do it.
Speaker A:But don't fucking tiptoe around it and like fucking, like, you know, poke it with your foot and then fucking walk away.
Speaker A:That's what they did.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And maybe I think that's another reason why.
Speaker B:It's just like, it's.
Speaker B:I don't think it doesn't give Bella justice.
Speaker B:It doesn't give the story.
Speaker A:Well, you can't.
Speaker A:You can't.
Speaker A:You can't tiptoe around something that serious and in depth of a concept and not flesh it out.
Speaker A:It's just not right to do that to the viewer.
Speaker A:They could have made it super fucking simple and like, not, I don't know, There's a lot of ways they could have made it a lot cleaner than that.
Speaker B:If they did a whole episode.
Speaker B:Just like, I think if they devoted a whole episode to Bella and Dean instead of having this split up.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, and maybe one episode with Sam and this guy, and one episode was Bella and Dean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You probably could have developed some things, but it really makes me just forced.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:The whole Bella thing seems very forced in this.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:And you said it was.
Speaker A:So she looks and she's got Dean's hotel receiving her pocket that she had stolen.
Speaker A:And so she pulls her phone out and says, it worked.
Speaker A:He found me.
Speaker A:I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker A:So we cut to Sam and his phone rings.
Speaker A:Dean couldn't bring himself to kill Bella.
Speaker A:He's upset because now he feels like he's really screwed.
Speaker A:Sam's like, no, but I figured it out.
Speaker A:I've got the lab formula from Doc Benton.
Speaker A:It's not black magic.
Speaker A:It's just weird science.
Speaker B:Weird science.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then Sam gets chloroformed.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And Dean also says he doesn't have to drink blood out of a baby's skull.
Speaker B:I mean, unless you want to, right?
Speaker B:I mean, sometimes you just want to.
Speaker B:Baby skull, but yeah.
Speaker B:So Sanga's chloroformed really quickly, so we know that's wrong.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He wakes up, his eyes are taped open, and I'm like, ooh, Clockwork Orange.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a very Clockwork Orange reference and just uncomfortable.
Speaker B:And so Doc is like, doc knows who he is, and he's going to cut his eyeballs out.
Speaker B:And I'm like, doc, man, it looks like you've got glaucoma.
Speaker B:Like, you can just like, go, like, get a surgery for that or cataract.
Speaker B:I forget which one gives you the milky eye.
Speaker A:Milky eyes, cataract, glaucoma's pressure, and it changes.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, so you have cataract.
Speaker A:Weed helps with.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:I have glaucoma, so.
Speaker B:Both my parents have had glaucoma surgery.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:It was in and out.
Speaker A:It just raises the pressure.
Speaker B:But, yeah, but I knew there's cataract surgery, like, or get laser, you know, replace your legs.
Speaker B:This seems very extreme.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:Cutting somebody's eyeballs out because you have a cataract is extreme.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that cataract is, like, long, bad.
Speaker A:Like, people get their vet fixed way before then anyways.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's like, I'm not a monster.
Speaker A:You have a high chance of surviving this.
Speaker A:I'm Just looking for eternal life.
Speaker A:It's very high maintenance.
Speaker A:Maintenance.
Speaker A:I want your eyes.
Speaker A:And basically, apparently his John, the dad, had.
Speaker A:Did cut out the doctor's heart.
Speaker A:And it was really inconvenient.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so he knows that because Sam stole his book.
Speaker B:And now Doc sold John's book from Sam.
Speaker B:And he's reading his own entry in there, which I think is hilarious.
Speaker A:And then he pulls out the melon baller.
Speaker A:And I almost threw up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That is.
Speaker B:Fuck.
Speaker B:Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
Speaker A:That was gross.
Speaker A:Like scooping someone's eyeballs out with a melon baller.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:What I.
Speaker B:If it was be said or somebody commented, like, I could not believe we got that through Standards and Practices.
Speaker B:Like, I thought somebody was going to say no.
Speaker B:And I guess because it didn't actually get in there, but it was.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker B:Why is that so bad?
Speaker B:Like, it's so bad.
Speaker A:So gross.
Speaker A:Then there's gunshots and Dean shows up.
Speaker A:But does the.
Speaker A:But the bullets don't hurt the doctor for some reason.
Speaker A:And he attacks Dean.
Speaker A:Dean stabs him in the heart.
Speaker A:And he's like, I'll just get a brand new one.
Speaker A:And there's a lot of chloroform.
Speaker B:He's like, what part of immortality do you not understand?
Speaker B:He's like, I'm just gonna keep on trucking.
Speaker B:You saw me pop my head back in.
Speaker B:Like, I am fine.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And the doctor falls.
Speaker A:And then they've got the doctor on.
Speaker A:Finally, like, it kind of goes on.
Speaker A:They get the doctor on a gurney and he offers to share his immortality recipe.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, yeah, tell me.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, no, that's an invitation to be a monster.
Speaker A:It's a too inhuman for a monster.
Speaker A:And becomes a monster that way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So while the doc was strapped to the table, Dean says, wiki Wiki aches and piggy.
Speaker B:And it drove me insane because I was like, where the fuck do I know this from?
Speaker B:1 Don't Google the origins of Wiki Wiki Eggs and Bakey, because there's some weird fucking shit out there.
Speaker B:Like, bizarre, like, weird, like, things that.
Speaker B:Like, there was a.
Speaker B:It was a song about it and musical, like all sorts of shit.
Speaker B:And then I finally realized it's what Bud says to Beatrix as he gives her a Texas funeral and kill bill when she wakes up.
Speaker B:And that's why I remembered it.
Speaker A:Yeah, it sounds right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Dean says he would rather go to hell.
Speaker A:And there's just a lot of chloroforming going on Here still.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Then.
Speaker B:Well, he says he wants to go to hell, but he also says it's very black.
Speaker B:Black and white and human.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:And, like, didn't we just spend, like, a whole season where you learned that it was gray.
Speaker A:There's a gray area.
Speaker B:I remember, like, that was a whole thing where you grew and we found.
Speaker B:I know you're about to die, but I kind of get this.
Speaker A:This is kind of a.
Speaker B:Well, I'm not saying no to this.
Speaker B:I just thought it was a weird turn of phrase.
Speaker B:I have.
Speaker A:And, like, right when he's been gone through that.
Speaker A:That transformation.
Speaker A:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker A:So then we see the good old Doc wake up and he is encased in something.
Speaker A:Isn't it a coffin?
Speaker A:No, it's a freezer.
Speaker A:And the brothers are burying him.
Speaker B:Yeah, and they also buried him, though, with the book on top of him, which.
Speaker B:Hello.
Speaker B:Have you never seen a horror movie?
Speaker B:Why would you do that?
Speaker B:You were just asking for, like, some teenage kid being horny and, like, wanting to impress some chick to, like, bury up Doc Bitten and, like, just raising a poc.
Speaker B:Maybe this is how the COVID apocalypse started.
Speaker A:They spend a lot of time digging up bodies, and this time they were burying one.
Speaker B:Fair.
Speaker B:They got to get some.
Speaker B:Some different work.
Speaker A:All right, so we cut back to Bella at her hotel and.
Speaker A:Or at their hotel, the Erie Hotel.
Speaker A:And she's breaking into their room, and she sees there's, like, looks like people sleeping in the beds.
Speaker A:So she shoots up the beds, but it's blow up dolls.
Speaker A:I'm like, bitch.
Speaker A:She thought she was gonna kill the Winchester brothers.
Speaker B:I also feel cheated that I do not have the scene as Sam and Dean blowing up the blow up dolls.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker A:So then the phone rings in the room.
Speaker A:And so she answers it, and Dean's like, yeah, I knew you took the motel receipt.
Speaker A:And I saw what you had above the door.
Speaker A:It's double shoestring to keep the hellhounds at bay.
Speaker A:My handwriting was really iffy at this point.
Speaker B:Like a straw.
Speaker B:And just, like, is the D and like the L. I mean, really.
Speaker B:Devil shoestring.
Speaker A:It's unintentional cursive.
Speaker A:Just saying.
Speaker A:So Devil's shoestring, which keeps hellhounds at bay.
Speaker A:And so he's like, look, I know you didn't kill your parents.
Speaker A:I know a demon didn't.
Speaker A:And now did it for you.
Speaker A:And now it's come due.
Speaker A:So we cut to kid Bella at a park, and a demon offering to kill her parents for her.
Speaker B:Her soul, which you Know, and also, I mean, I think this removes Bella from the crime even a little bit more talking about it because, like, she's not the one who actually killed them.
Speaker B:And she was in a really shitty situation.
Speaker B:And then a creepy little British girl came up to her and was like, hey, I can help you.
Speaker B:And so we're going to get a flashback where we see all this happening, but.
Speaker A:But we also find out that the deal was changed and now they want her.
Speaker A:Her to kill Sam.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And creepy little British Lilith has red eyes, which Diana probably like.
Speaker B:Which one in level of eyes you hate is black, white and red.
Speaker B:Which one do you hate more?
Speaker A:That's a tough one.
Speaker A:Well, I think I'd probably say I can go with red number one, then black, then white.
Speaker B:I was like, fuck Mary, kill with like, demon eyes.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker B:I think the white eyes creep me out more than anything because, I don't.
Speaker A:Know, they're up there.
Speaker A:I think I'm getting desensitized to the black eyes at this point.
Speaker A:And I watch a lot of.
Speaker A:And I used to get into D amp Verde, and they did that in some videos, too.
Speaker A:So some of their music videos I.
Speaker B:Was trying to get.
Speaker A:I was just literally just talking about them like an hour ago go to, which is even funnier.
Speaker A:But, yeah, so I think that'd be my order.
Speaker A:Red, red or yellow?
Speaker A:Like yellow eyes.
Speaker B:Oh, yellow eyes.
Speaker A:Like red and yellow.
Speaker A:Like creepy eyes, girl.
Speaker A:Michael Jackson's Thriller video freaked me out when I was a kid.
Speaker B:Well, that was creepy.
Speaker A:The whole video is fine.
Speaker A:But in the end, he turns and his eyes are like.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:Like, as a child.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, that terrified me as a child.
Speaker B:Maybe it was my instinct, like, stay away from Michael Jackson.
Speaker A:You're a child.
Speaker A:Don't get near.
Speaker B:This man is scary.
Speaker B:You don't know why,.
Speaker A:But I think.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:So either way, that'd be a tough call.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So Bella's demon is played by Ronan Curtis, who's Sylvia in the Magicians.
Speaker A:And then young Bella is played by Tira.
Speaker A:And I don't cannot stay.
Speaker A:Her last names.
Speaker A:Scovby, Skov, B S K O V B Y E. Anyways, who plays Polly Cooper on Riverdale, and also Robin and Margot in Once Upon a Time.
Speaker B:Which is crazy to think about how young she was in this.
Speaker B:Like, so now, like, because she's.
Speaker B:That is.
Speaker B:Polly is not a young character in Riverdale.
Speaker B:If you don't watch it.
Speaker B:She's not.
Speaker A:She's grown.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She grown ass woman.
Speaker A:So yeah.
Speaker A:But yeah, so that was pretty crazy.
Speaker A:But yeah, we got a.
Speaker A:We got some good other callbacks to shows we like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Bella's cry.
Speaker A:So basically now Dean's on the phone bell still and he's like not shocked that his demon, that her demon lied to her.
Speaker A:She's fucking crying for help and she's like, look, the demon that holds my deal is the same one that holds yours.
Speaker A:And it is Lilith and wants Dean to kill.
Speaker A:And she wants Dean to kill the bitch.
Speaker A:And his comment is, I'll see you in hell.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so Sam's face, like when Dean says Lilith, you see the.
Speaker B:Oh shit.
Speaker B:Come across Sam's face as he's starting to realize the magnitude.
Speaker B:I don't know Dean realizes the magnitude of Lilith because he's.
Speaker B:But I think Sam understands like fuck the person that I'm going to battle.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And I don't even know if he.
Speaker B:That much is sinking in.
Speaker B:Like, this is his are.
Speaker B:This is fucking Lilith.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:Like that's instantly.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker A:And then you hear.
Speaker A:You cut to Bella and you see she's still in the motel room by herself.
Speaker A:And you hear the howling of the hellhounds outside.
Speaker B:And then there's like, there's a huge like.
Speaker B:You hear like howls and then like a growl and then just cuts the black.
Speaker B:So I'm glad we didn't stop to see her death.
Speaker B:But I also like, I don't get why Dean doesn't help them.
Speaker B:Like, Like, I still don't get it.
Speaker B:Like, so did he not go to help her because he had to go get Sam, which I get.
Speaker B:Sam's your priority, right?
Speaker B:That's fine.
Speaker A:He's already with Sam.
Speaker A:He's already set the motel room up for their escape.
Speaker A:He knew what was going down.
Speaker A:I think his attitude was, I'm not going to help you, but I'm not going to hurt you either.
Speaker A:I think he went full like, hands off.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean he does say he's like, you know, he's like, you know what the bitch of the bunch is.
Speaker B:If you would have just come to us sooner and asked for help, we probably would have taken the Colton and saved you.
Speaker B:And then she said, and I know.
Speaker B:And saved your.
Speaker B:And saved yourself.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Which is kind of shitty in a way because it's like, oh, we actually probably could have fixed this if like you guys had just worked together.
Speaker A:And she did that.
Speaker A:She didn't try.
Speaker B:Well, because she doesn't trust anybody.
Speaker B:She just you know, she's an independent woman who has had to rely on herself because people fucked her over literally from a young age.
Speaker B:And then she made a deal with the demon and then she just did everything to survive.
Speaker B:So that also means that she didn't.
Speaker A:Do everything to survive.
Speaker A:She failed to do everything survive because she had an option to do a different path to survive this, and she chose not to.
Speaker B:Well, because it's also, I think, also if I was like, not knowing Sam and Dean, like, she's got.
Speaker B:Developed a fondness for them, but if I'm like Salmon, Dean Winchester and Lilith, I would probably be like, yeah, probably should lay my odds on the list.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Because she doesn't trust anybody.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I am sad that Bella is.
Speaker B:And this is.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker A:This is news to me.
Speaker A:I didn't know Bella was never coming back.
Speaker B:He's never coming back.
Speaker B:I'm spoiling this because, you know, when they asked Sarah about it, like, oh, so are Dean and Bella going to meet up up.
Speaker B:And how in her response was, hell is a very big place.
Speaker B:So, no.
Speaker B:So that we're done with Bella at this point.
Speaker B:And you're a bad bitch, Bella.
Speaker B:World treated you wrong.
Speaker B:You did what you could, man, and you look damn good doing it.
Speaker B:So cheers, Bella Talbot.
Speaker B:May you hope your health stay.
Speaker B:I hope you become queen of hell and enjoy yourself down there.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:You deserve it.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, that's all I got.
Speaker B:That's all I got.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So cheers to Bella.
Speaker B:Cheers, jerk.
Speaker A:Cheers.
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