4:04 Metamorphosis
Rougarou! Rougarou! It's Supernatural, Season 4, Episode 4. Liz derails the pod, trying to convince everyone to watch Cajun Justice, debatably the greatest copaganda show ever made, and then talks about the Rougarou (Roux-Ga-Roux, Rugaroo, Rugaru, or Loup Garou).
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Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, Liz, which is me, will try and convince you that the show should only be about the show.
Speaker A:Cajun justice, the best television show that was ever created.
Speaker B:And unlike Sam, Rougarous cannot be mathletes.
Speaker A:Rougarous.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:We're going to talk about season four, episode four, Metamorphosis.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:I'm Liz.
Speaker A:You're here.
Speaker B:We're here, yeah.
Speaker B:And I'm gonna kick off with our news of the week is we have joined Shipit Studios Network.
Speaker A:Woohoo.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So what does that mean to you guys?
Speaker A:Probably nothing.
Speaker B:No, probably not.
Speaker B:But go check out some other.
Speaker B:They've got some other great podcasts on the network, so you can feel free to check that out.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:When I say probably nothing, just mean nothing's going to change with us right now.
Speaker A:The format's going to stay the same.
Speaker A:Yeah, we're there.
Speaker A:They're an awesome group to be partnered with and they have a lot of fun podcasts on things.
Speaker A:Like a lot of things on wrestling, which I think is great.
Speaker A:I've listened to some of the 80s film ones, so you can.
Speaker A:We'll get you the link in the show notes so you can get to their site.
Speaker A:But that's.
Speaker A:I think it's just ship@studios.com but it's all fandom.
Speaker B:It's all fandom.
Speaker A:It's all fandom stuff.
Speaker A:So lots of things you guys are probably like over there.
Speaker A:So go check them out and put that in the show notes.
Speaker A:So what else is going on?
Speaker A:How was your weekend?
Speaker B:I had a very quiet weekend, really as far as social activities go, because I was.
Speaker B:Work's been a little cray and so sometimes you just need to put on the sweatpants and sit on the sofa rather than go see your friend's band play.
Speaker B:So that's what I did and.
Speaker B:Except we did go to a really fun restaurant and let's all talk about food for a minute because who doesn't like to hear about food?
Speaker B:There is in Arlington, Texas, a restaurant called Smoke and Ash Barbecue.
Speaker B:And it is a Texas barbecue, Ethiopian fusion.
Speaker B:And it is adorable.
Speaker B:It's family run, small, like unassuming spot in a shopping strip mall.
Speaker B:And we really enjoyed it.
Speaker B:They were super sweet and the food was really good.
Speaker A:The pictures of it looked fantastic.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was very jealous because I love Ethiopian food and I love barbecue.
Speaker A:So I would like to have them together.
Speaker B:So like, the thing I didn't take a picture of.
Speaker B:So I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Did they have injera bread?
Speaker A:Like, how did they make it different?
Speaker A:Or was it just like, normal?
Speaker A:Just normal.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But this.
Speaker B:They had a Texas brisket stuffed samosa.
Speaker A:Oh, fuck.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, that sounds really good.
Speaker B:And so I wanted to try so many things, but they have like, a regular Texas barbecue menu, and then they have a full Ethiopian menu, and then they have kind of like the platter we got, which was like a.
Speaker B:A mixture of both.
Speaker B:And so, like, they can provide a fork if you would like, if you get the platter.
Speaker B:But you know, you're not supposed to.
Speaker B:You're supposed to use the bread.
Speaker B:So that's what we.
Speaker B:The greens were excellent.
Speaker B:Some interesting spice and kind of like a little curry flavor and like the lentils, and it was just really good overall.
Speaker B:And the brisket and barbecue sauce were on point, too, and somehow it all worked together.
Speaker B:So there we go.
Speaker B:So great.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Super fun.
Speaker B:Little something just different for, you know, a little small local spots.
Speaker B:That was our little.
Speaker B:That was our big outing of the weekend, if you will.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we're counting down and I'm going to go spend some time in Houston, Texas, this upcoming weekend.
Speaker B:I'm pretty excited about it.
Speaker B:Going to have my first experience.
Speaker B:Experience at rodeo.
Speaker B:Houston Rodeo is a big thing.
Speaker B:If you didn't know.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:Like, do you know what event you're.
Speaker A:You're seeing?
Speaker B:Oh, I do.
Speaker A:What event is it?
Speaker B:I am going to go to the Bun B Houston Rodeo Takeover show.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:Not the band.
Speaker A:Starlin.
Speaker A:Wait, what's happening at the road, the rodeo?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:There's rodeo activities.
Speaker A:This is how sometimes I'm like, oh, yeah, Diana doesn't come from.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So during rodeos, especially during the city.
Speaker B:Houston Rodeo.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So there'll be different events that are featured during different nights.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:And typically, like the bucking bulls, which is what my family owns, those have their own days.
Speaker A:And that's why I was asking what event was going on, so I could see if any of my.
Speaker A:Any of my little bulls were coming to say hi to you.
Speaker B:I don't know offhand.
Speaker B:My apologies.
Speaker A:You could be like, oh, my God, I know who owns that bull.
Speaker A:She's never actually seen it in person,.
Speaker B:So I'm not sure offhand.
Speaker B:I do know that the content I'm going to see.
Speaker B:It is a super, super.
Speaker B:It says that it should be the Houston Rodeo or Rodeo Houston Super Series 4, Round 3.
Speaker B:That's all it says.
Speaker B:So there you go.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So you'll probably get a good mix of stuff.
Speaker A:I really.
Speaker A:I hope there.
Speaker A:I hope you get to see some mutton busting.
Speaker A:I love a good mutton bust.
Speaker A:Like, oh, man, it's been a while since I've seen that.
Speaker A:For those of you who've never been to a rodeo, mutton busting is what happens.
Speaker A:Especially we do this in Texas, and I assume we do this and they do this in other states.
Speaker A:We put little children on sheep and then we watch them ride the sheep around and then fall off the sheep and.
Speaker A:Yeah, so it's really funny.
Speaker A:And also just.
Speaker A:It's a lot of.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's a lot of fun to watch.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, I hope that you get to see some children fall off of sheep.
Speaker B:I love that shit.
Speaker B:I've seen it before and it is greatness.
Speaker B:I mean, I've been to the.
Speaker A:And the pig races may be there too.
Speaker B:I love a pig race.
Speaker A:Everyone loves a pig race.
Speaker B:That's one of my.
Speaker B:One of my faves.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I'm.
Speaker B:I'm pretty excited.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I've got.
Speaker B:I've never really.
Speaker B:I've been down to Houston several times for business and things like that, but I've not really just like, hung out for a weekend.
Speaker B:We're going to get to hang out and bop around town a little bit and see some folks.
Speaker B:So I'm pretty excited about it.
Speaker B:Kind of make a little vacay out of the whole thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The first time anyone's ever made a vacation of going to Houston, people do.
Speaker B:It's a thing.
Speaker B:I found out.
Speaker B:It's weird, so.
Speaker B:And also, I'll share.
Speaker B:There is a giant rivalry between Dallas and Houston.
Speaker B:And in general, Texas.
Speaker B:Texas people in general kind of talk shit on Houston.
Speaker B:No offense.
Speaker B:Houston.
Speaker B:I'm not saying that we say that.
Speaker B:I'm just saying I say that Houston,.
Speaker A:You're gross, you're too big.
Speaker A:And it takes me an hour to get.
Speaker A:And I don't understand your.
Speaker A:Your highways.
Speaker A:And you just make no sense.
Speaker A:Why is your downtown weird?
Speaker A:Why do mole people live downtown?
Speaker A:Like, underneath, underneath Houston.
Speaker A:There's tunnels underneath Houston.
Speaker A:They have, like, restaurants, everything down there because it's too hot to go outside.
Speaker A:So everyone just goes down into the tunnels underneath.
Speaker A:And I'm pretty sure, like, one, I want to go roller skating through them because that seems like a lot of fun.
Speaker A:And two, mole people live there.
Speaker A:Like, they have to because they closed down at like, five.
Speaker A:So what happens after five down there?
Speaker A:Yeah, the more People come out.
Speaker B:Yeah,.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:Where to stay downtown.
Speaker B:So maybe I'll go check out some tunnels for you.
Speaker B:We'll see.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But yeah, how about you?
Speaker B:You had an activity filled weekend.
Speaker A:I did well coming off of also a crazy week.
Speaker A:So we are recording this in March.
Speaker A:The invasion happened I think like a little over a week ago.
Speaker A:Yeah, 10 days.
Speaker A:So work has been stressful and you know, everything is stressful.
Speaker A:But so Saturday I went to the Austin Witch Fest.
Speaker A:Lots of fun, lots of.
Speaker A:It was not too crowded.
Speaker A:It was a good people size for me.
Speaker A:Caught a couple of lectures, one of which was on the Morgan.
Speaker A:And I was really hoping for a historical version of it because I have done a lot of research on her, but unfortunately it was more of a kind of this is my day in my life as somebody who has received word from Morgue from.
Speaker A:From the Morgan.
Speaker A:But it was.
Speaker A:That lecture was given by this, this druid man who was adorable.
Speaker A:And I just kept picturing him in a little druid robe, like outside, like maybe like naked underneath his little wrinkly old balls, like trying to hail like things in the sky.
Speaker A:Like he was just.
Speaker A:He was so cute.
Speaker A:And then two of the guys from this great store in Austin called City Alchemist did a lovely talk on Bru and really about how Santa Muerte applies just kind of the worship of her and other things that go through that.
Speaker A:So really, if I, you know, learned some really interesting things, shopped a lot.
Speaker A:There was so much good shopping.
Speaker A:Sunday we went out to Treaty Oak and I also got some amazing things with brisket.
Speaker A:But what I got was brisket guisava breakfast tacos.
Speaker A:And that shit was fucking baller.
Speaker A:I don't know if I could eat that for breakfast every day.
Speaker A:I would.
Speaker A:I mean, I would be dead because I had a heart attack.
Speaker A:But it was so good.
Speaker A:I also got.
Speaker A:They had a cold dip trio which I could.
Speaker A:I had to order it and send me pictures.
Speaker B:I wanted it.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's chicken salad and pimento salad in guacamole.
Speaker A:It's really, really good.
Speaker A:And then after that we stopped by our friends at High Rum.
Speaker A:We often talk about.
Speaker A:We know, but very timely.
Speaker A:I went to pick up my rum club and in there is a bottle of crew garou and that has a werewolf on the side of it, but also go roux.
Speaker A:So we have our tie into the rougarou from this week.
Speaker A:And what it is, is it is there is a mixed cocktail, right?
Speaker A:So it's an old fashioned and it's made with the dark rum, orange rum, and cherries.
Speaker A:And I'm drinking that this evening, and it is dangerously delicious.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Because it tastes like a lot of liquor and.
Speaker A:Oh, boy.
Speaker A:But it tastes.
Speaker A:You can't really taste the liquor, but you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, where you could.
Speaker A:You could taste how drunk this glass is going to make me.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:But I want to keep drinking it because it tastes really good.
Speaker B:I can't wait to try it.
Speaker B:I need to get mine.
Speaker B:I haven't gotten mine yet.
Speaker B:I'm overdue.
Speaker B:Hopefully next week I will remedy that delay.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But, yeah, it's.
Speaker A:So it's my weekend, and then the week started again, and next week I get to go to Orlando.
Speaker A:But I am excited.
Speaker A:This is my first, like, official work trip since the pandemic, right.
Speaker A:So I've gone on other trips, but work hasn't paid for them.
Speaker A:So, like, I get to use, like, my expense account and.
Speaker A:Oh, I mean, I don't get to spend a bunch on it, like, but there's going to be.
Speaker A:It's a sales thing, so there's me salespeople there, and those guys got really good expense accounts.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, I'm going to eat a lot, I'm going to drink a lot and somebody else's tab and then go pass out in a hotel.
Speaker A:And then I had to go talk to a lot of people.
Speaker A:People all day long.
Speaker B:So many people.
Speaker A:So many people.
Speaker A:And I have no idea what's going to.
Speaker A:If they're going to change their Covid precautions or not.
Speaker A:Shockingly, Austin brought theirs down to stage two, right with south by Southwest.
Speaker B:Just in time for South By.
Speaker A:Isn't that interesting?
Speaker A:So interesting, Austin.
Speaker A:It's the coincidence, man.
Speaker A:Your numbers got that low, like, right then, huh?
Speaker B:Just in time.
Speaker B:I know everybody's been laughing about that for sure.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, let's talk about.
Speaker B:Let's talk about Metamorphosis.
Speaker A:Metamorphosis.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm so excited to get to Lore, and I'm just mean, jumping up until we get to it, but we're gonna start off with the basics.
Speaker A:All right, so this is season four, episode four.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:It was directed by Kim Manners, and sadly, this was the last episode he directed before he passed away.
Speaker A:So it kind of holds a special place in a lot of people's hearts.
Speaker A:Catherine Humphris got the writing credit on this.
Speaker A:Obviously, Kripke was still heavily involved at this point, and so that influences a lot of things we see in here, but so we're just Going to jump right in to Ruby and Sam being naughty.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they have a demon tied up or trapped, and they are looking for Lilith.
Speaker B:And this demon has a very sassy mouth, is talking smack to Sam about his relationship with Ruby.
Speaker B:Pretty hardcore.
Speaker B:And so then Sam gets pissed and uses his psychic power to make the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The possessed person throw up the demon cock smoke.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, but Dean.
Speaker A:Yeah, and Sam got some, like, really cocky eyes too.
Speaker A:Like, when the guy starts, like, kind of poking at him, he was like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I'll show you what my psychic mind can do.
Speaker A:Just gonna suck this cock smoke right out of you.
Speaker A:Okay, wait.
Speaker A:No, he didn't do that.
Speaker A:Anyway, so basically, Dean was watching.
Speaker B:Oh, so now he knows.
Speaker B:So, but we cut.
Speaker B:And Sam is.
Speaker B:Then you know what the interesting thing?
Speaker B:So he gets the demon out of this person's body, and then he's checking if the host is alive, if the body's alive.
Speaker B:And they're talking about, you know, how Sam feels about, like, how Sam's feeling.
Speaker B:And there's a comment about no more headaches, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker B:Then Dean walks in and confronts them and attacks Ruby.
Speaker B:So this is all bad because, you know, Dean did not want Sam doing anything with Ruby and didn't want Sam doing anything with his psychic powers.
Speaker B:So he was pissed.
Speaker A:So he has to figure out that this is Ruby because he didn't even really know that Ruby.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:He didn't really figure that out yet.
Speaker A:And on just a show note, this was Genevieve's first, like, ever stage fight.
Speaker A:And she's five foot four.
Speaker A:So she had comments just about how this was just kind of, like, hilarious.
Speaker A:Like, her trying to, like, hit them.
Speaker A:And she's like.
Speaker A:There's a lot of jumping.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But it's kind of like a fly trying to, like, you know, like a fly trying to swat a dog or something.
Speaker A:Take that, Sam.
Speaker A:Take it.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But Ruby gets the upper hand.
Speaker B:But Sam takes her stop.
Speaker B:And then sends her to take the previous demon to the er.
Speaker A:The meat suit.
Speaker A:The demon's gone now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:The previous.
Speaker B:The body that.
Speaker B:The body previously.
Speaker A:The body is previously inhabited by the demon, which is now just an empty meat suit.
Speaker B:But he's alive.
Speaker B:That's what's important.
Speaker B:And Dean is pissed.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he leaves.
Speaker B:So Sam's.
Speaker B:We catch the motel room.
Speaker B:Sam's there by himself reading a book.
Speaker B:And Dean shows up and starts packing, and he's like.
Speaker A:So they're at the Willow Tree Motel.
Speaker A:And for those of you who are watching this season of Drag Race.
Speaker A:There is a contest at on there named willow pill.
Speaker A:But RuPaul always calls her like, willow Pill.
Speaker A:You're a little willow pill.
Speaker A:And so like, it's all.
Speaker A:Every time I saw like the ending for the.
Speaker A:I was just like, it's a willow tree.
Speaker A:It's a little tree.
Speaker B:So Dean says to Sam, you don't need me.
Speaker B:You and Ruby go fight demons.
Speaker B:So I'm like, ruh.
Speaker B:Row.
Speaker B:And then he punches Sam in face twice.
Speaker A:You know, like good brothers.
Speaker A:You know how you do.
Speaker B:And basically it's like, Sam, you've gone too far.
Speaker B:And you know, what can you do other than an exorcism with your mind?
Speaker B:And he's like, well, send demons back to hell, but just demons.
Speaker B:Dean just doesn't believe him really, it seems like at this point, but also just so like, upset about the whole thing.
Speaker A:Well, there's a bunch of my notes just be like loudly typing.
Speaker A:I don't understand.
Speaker A:I don't understand, like the stick up Dean's ass about this.
Speaker B:I didn't at this point.
Speaker B:And as the episode goes on, I kind of do more.
Speaker B:I still disagree with him, but I kind of get.
Speaker B:Because I think it ties into Dean being so black and white.
Speaker A:Yeah, but he also got better about it.
Speaker A:But he got better about it.
Speaker A:And it's his brother.
Speaker A:And I thought he came to terms with it anyways, so.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But Sam's making these really valid points is just like Dean's like, how far from human have you gone?
Speaker A:And he's like, I'm not killing people.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Like I'm saving them.
Speaker A:We always used to kill him.
Speaker B:He's like, well, you want to use a knife and them.
Speaker B:I could actually just like exercise them and save their fucking life, brah.
Speaker B:Yeah, I went there.
Speaker A:I think it's probably.
Speaker B:I went bra.
Speaker A:You said bra.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, we're just ignore that happen.
Speaker A:Hey, babe, can you edit that out just to save face for her?
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker B:So anyways, anyways, so, you know, he.
Speaker B:Sam says that him and Ruby saved more people in five months than him and Dean had in a year.
Speaker B:Which I feel like to Dean might be a low blow, even though it's unintentional.
Speaker B:It's a point maybe.
Speaker B:So he just thinks it's like Dean is commenced.
Speaker B:That it's dark, that Ruby's got him using powers at all.
Speaker B:And he says to Sam, if I didn't know you, I would want to hunt you and so would other hunters.
Speaker A:I don't understand this.
Speaker A:I do not understand.
Speaker B:I'm I.
Speaker B:It's like I said, I have a little bit of understanding, but I also don't.
Speaker B:So I'm like.
Speaker B:I think that they realized that he was fighting the fucking demons then they would be okay with it now if they just didn't know they saw this dude who's in power.
Speaker B:They might be like, whoa, whoa, pump the brakes.
Speaker B:Hold on, dude.
Speaker A:But he's not killing anybody.
Speaker A:He's not hurting anybody.
Speaker A:Like, what?
Speaker A:Part of him is a monster, except for the fact that he's using telekinetic abilities or whatever these are.
Speaker B:Well, but the problem is it's the source of the telekinetic abilities.
Speaker B:Because the telekinetic abilities come from him having demon blood.
Speaker B:And that's the problem.
Speaker B:I think, for Sam and what Bardeen and what Dean envisions, other hunters would have that problem.
Speaker A:That's why I just think you and the other hunters are fucking dicks.
Speaker A:That's what I think.
Speaker B:It's awful elitist to be like, oh, well, if you're everything but a human needs to die.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, fuck off.
Speaker B:That sounds pretty.
Speaker A:Mind your own goddamn business, Dean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So they're going off and on about it, and then Dean brings up.
Speaker A:That is like, well, you know, if this was a.
Speaker A:You know, why didn't angel tell me?
Speaker A:This is bad.
Speaker A:This means God doesn't want you to do this.
Speaker A:And I'm like, what?
Speaker A:Like, how did we get there?
Speaker A:How did we get from Cass to God?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, Cass implies it because Cass implied the reason he saved Dean was because it was God's willing or God had plans for him.
Speaker B:I think, though, that I don't feel like Cass wasn't super in.
Speaker B:Like, he was.
Speaker B:He's not been clear in any of his directions.
Speaker A:Oh, no, he has not.
Speaker B:So why would we just magically suddenly assume that these directions were clear here?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or from God.
Speaker B:Or from God.
Speaker B:That was never said at all.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yes, you know, like, none of these things has cast said, God told me to do this.
Speaker A:He just said, this is what we do.
Speaker A:Yeah, I wouldn't need it here anyways.
Speaker A:All right, so we're gonna get saved by a phone ring from this stupid argument.
Speaker B:And by someone stupid.
Speaker A:But then it's someone stupider.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And its name is Travis.
Speaker A:And so since my brother doesn't listen to this podcast, even though he should, so fuck him.
Speaker A:Yes, Travis are stupid.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker B:So, yeah, unless your name's Travis and you listen to our show regularly, then thank you for listening.
Speaker A:But if you're my Brother, you're fucking stupid.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So we're gonna go to Carthage, Missouri.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:To go find Jack Montgomery.
Speaker B:What a name.
Speaker A:Man.
Speaker A:That sounds like a soap opera actor name.
Speaker B:I'm Jack Montgomery from Carthage, Missouri.
Speaker A:Carthage also sounds where, like, bad things happen, kind of.
Speaker B:So we see this.
Speaker B:We just get a close up of this man just very aggressively and grossly eating his dinner.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:I'm like, well, this is.
Speaker B:This is a lot.
Speaker B:I don't know if I can handle this right now.
Speaker A:And his wife is like, are you stoned?
Speaker A:And then he just, like, keeps eating more.
Speaker A:And I'm like, yeah, I've been here, buddy.
Speaker A:I've seen this.
Speaker A:Oh, no, I'll just eat that third steak.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker B:And yeah, he wants dessert.
Speaker B:Has had once a third steak.
Speaker B:And she makes a joke about him having a tapeworm.
Speaker B:So he's like, I feel great.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But then we cut to him brushing his teeth after dinner.
Speaker B:And there's a lot of.
Speaker B:He seems really happy about it at first.
Speaker B:Then there's like these weird crackling soundings and he starts to fall and his, like, spine is sticking out.
Speaker B:And it's really gross and upsetting.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:It's gross.
Speaker A:It's gross.
Speaker B:At this point, I'm like, is this some kind of a weird shifter thing or what was.
Speaker B:I started writing?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, it looks very similar to what would happen if you're shifting into, like, the werewolves or just the regular shape shifters out here too.
Speaker A:But when they make the bones settle and they have metal playing in the background.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Um, so we cut.
Speaker B:And so we think we kind of.
Speaker B:We cut away.
Speaker B:So that's what we see there.
Speaker B:But we.
Speaker B:Then we cut to our.
Speaker B:Our brothers driving, because they are driving to Carthage, Missouri.
Speaker B:And this is when Dean tells Sam that Mary was a hunter.
Speaker B:So now they know.
Speaker B:Sam's in a little bit of disbelief, but is talking about how happy both Mary and John were.
Speaker B:So their parents were when they were young, before they were together.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:He talks a little bit about yellow eyes, but kind of leaves off some of the story.
Speaker B:But Sam fills it in because Sam knew already about demon blood.
Speaker A:Yeah, but he.
Speaker A:Dean didn't know that Sam knew.
Speaker A:But now he knows that he knows.
Speaker A:And I was just trying to see how many knows he knows in my.
Speaker A:In my notes, but I lost count on my notes.
Speaker A:Anyway, so Dean's like, what?
Speaker A:You've known?
Speaker B:And now he's mad about that something.
Speaker A:Else mad, like, I'm a woman.
Speaker A:It's international women's day.
Speaker A:Fuck that.
Speaker A:Whatever that is.
Speaker A:But I can say, like, Dean's got PMS right now.
Speaker A:Like, he's, like, worse than I was last week.
Speaker B:So he's so cranky.
Speaker A:It's like, God, did you just, like, get tortured in hell for a couple hundred years?
Speaker A:Like, what the fuck, man?
Speaker B:Anyways, so, yeah, back at Jack's house, he's asking for dinner because he's starving.
Speaker B:And, yeah, the brothers are.
Speaker B:Our brothers are watching through the window.
Speaker B:Subtle, subtle stakeout.
Speaker B:And they're looking because apparently Travis told them to said, watch for anything weird.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, this guy's fucking boring.
Speaker B:And he does seem kind of boring, other than the gross eating we saw earlier in the Backbone stuff.
Speaker B:But then good old Jack's hanging out in the fridge even though his wife told him not to.
Speaker B:And he's, like, starts, like, scarfing down some leftover fried chicken.
Speaker B:I'm like, okay.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:Kind of.
Speaker A:Okay, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, I thought it was, like, rotisserie chicken.
Speaker A:That's what it was.
Speaker A:But also, like, you know when you start picking up the skin of the rotisserie chicken, like, in the fridge, and then he just, like, keep going.
Speaker A:Yeah, I can see how that chicken goes.
Speaker A:I can see the chicken going.
Speaker B:But until he.
Speaker A:Until he grabs.
Speaker B:Yeah, then he grabs the tray of ground beef.
Speaker B:And then he starts off.
Speaker A:I don't think it was Impossible Burger either.
Speaker B:No, it was definitely not.
Speaker B:This was.
Speaker B:There was a lot of.
Speaker A:You have to, like.
Speaker A:Do you have to cook Impossible Burger or it'll get you sick, right?
Speaker B:I have no idea.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:They upset me.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:I have nothing against vegetarians or vegans or vegetarian or vegan food, but fake meat like that, like, made to bleed, eeks me out so bad.
Speaker B:I will.
Speaker B:I will eat a black bean burger.
Speaker B:I'm cool with that.
Speaker B:Don't try to make it meat.
Speaker B:Anyways, so, yeah, I thought.
Speaker A:Okay, that's weird.
Speaker B:Yeah, this is weird now.
Speaker B:This is weird.
Speaker B:So they go to a motel and meet up with Travis.
Speaker B:And apparently it's been 10 years since he saw this guy who's another hunter.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:He's like.
Speaker B:He's just like an older hunter guy and he's got a cast on one arm.
Speaker B:So he needs their help and tells them that.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That Jack is a rougarou.
Speaker A:A rougarou.
Speaker A:We also find out that Sam was a mathlete.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam was a mathlete.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So every time I read the word rougarou, I want to say Rutabaga.
Speaker B:And I don't know why, but, I mean, obviously it's the letters, but, like, that's about all I got.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So, yeah, so Travis starts telling them a little bit more about them.
Speaker A:He's like, they're mean, nasty little suckers.
Speaker A:Rotted teeth, wormy skin, the works.
Speaker B:Gross.
Speaker A:And he's saying this while we're, like, watching Jack transforming, and he is like, they get hungry for long pig.
Speaker A:And this gene's word of the day.
Speaker A:And I first.
Speaker A:I first learned it on Sabrina the Teenage Witch, I think is the first time that I learned what it was.
Speaker A:Just for all we know, all of our states, I know you're.
Speaker A:You're wondering.
Speaker A:Long pit actually comes.
Speaker A: The first time is used was in: Speaker A:And it came from stories of the Fiji Islands, and it was said to be a literal rendering of a local term.
Speaker A:In one version, Puaka Balava makes me want a tiki drink.
Speaker A:Yeah, it does kind of always want a tiki drink.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, there's not many times I don't want a tiki drink, but, yeah, I contribute.
Speaker A:So Jack says, once they feed their monster forever.
Speaker A:So he's.
Speaker A:He's told you his version of the lore.
Speaker A:So they're gonna tell you my vers of the lore, because there's lots of fun things about this.
Speaker A:So we're going to talk about the rougarou.
Speaker B:Rougarou.
Speaker A:And in honor of the rougarou topic, I am wearing a rougarou shirt that I purchased from a lovely lass at a art market in New Orleans.
Speaker A:And she only had this size, and it is very tight, and the rougarou has been stretched across my chest and.
Speaker A:And his head has become gigantic.
Speaker A:So it does kind of go within the lore that maybe he had a head of a dog, but it was also just a very large head and then a tiny body, because that's what my boobies did to it.
Speaker B:All right, so the rougarou or the.
Speaker A:Rougabre or the rougarou or the loup garou, which is, I think, even more fun version.
Speaker A:And so loup garou is the actual French version, and that's where it came from, is French for a wolf.
Speaker A:And garou translates to a man who has changed into an animal.
Speaker A:So really, there's a lot of similarities in the older versions of them between this and werewolves.
Speaker A:You think about.
Speaker A:We were talking.
Speaker A:We talked about the werewolf trials in France before.
Speaker A:So think about that in, like, 16th century France.
Speaker A:And there they're like, oh, you either become one because it's in your bloodline, or you got cursed by a witch.
Speaker A:And usually it was kind of the same things they were saying in this episode that it would just transfer into something bigger and then they want the raw me.
Speaker A:And then they would eat the long pig and they'd become or.
Speaker A:Or the witch into the curse, whatever.
Speaker A:But they're often like they were the scapegoats for crime or kidnapping.
Speaker A:Oh, your child's missing Rougarou took him.
Speaker A:Not, you know, the creepy pedophile down the street.
Speaker A:We're just going to look for the weird beast that.
Speaker A:Yeah, okay, doesn't exist.
Speaker A:Makes sense.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:But we're going to talk about the Rougaros that I know and love.
Speaker A:Most of you who are from the south probably do.
Speaker A:And that is Louisiana, AKA the Cajun Rougar.
Speaker A:And how did it get to the Cajuns?
Speaker A:Well, because they come from French Acadian, so duh.
Speaker A:So just to go with that.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But it is a thing all over the south, particularly in Louisiana and in the bayou, they still believe in the Rougarou.
Speaker A:They are still being used to, like, tell kids, if you, like, if you misbehave, the Rougarou is going to get you.
Speaker A:And while I was researching this, I found what was possibly the greatest television show that was.
Speaker A:Was ever made.
Speaker A:And the name of the show was Cajun Justice.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:Okay, yes.
Speaker A:So it was only for one season.
Speaker A:It was glorious, glorious television.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A: lity TV show that was made in: Speaker A:They have a female sheriff named Catfish because she's so hard headed.
Speaker A:They also have another sheriff named Funky Nuts.
Speaker A:And then they also all have other adorable nicknames like that they drive around and they actually go on calls for Rougarou's.
Speaker A:Like people call them and they're like, there's a Rougarou in the backyard.
Speaker A:And they go.
Speaker A:And they also go.
Speaker A:And they invested ghost.
Speaker A:They investigated ladies in white and all sorts of like floating, like floating gas, like gas lamps.
Speaker A:Ended up being like some kids.
Speaker A:But I mean, they still do like the regular police cops procedural show type stuff, like the angry shrimpers and stuff.
Speaker A:But in between they have all this weird like Louisiana law that's built in and they're just like.
Speaker A:And they go to like the different people and they're talking about how they believe the Rougarou, like what they think he is like, it blew my fucking mind.
Speaker B:Where can I stream this is the biggest question.
Speaker A:I watch it on IMDb TV on the app.
Speaker A:I think it's also on Philo, but I think you can also catch it on YouTube.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They even had a sting operation in it because somebody was stealing Mardi Gras equipment.
Speaker A:Equipment.
Speaker A:And so they, like, they had somebody pose as, like, a fake buyer and Mardi Gras and they, like, busted in and, like, did this huge, like, SWAT thing.
Speaker A:And this guy that stole Mardi Gras equipment.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:And the episode I just finished watching before this started, they had a goat that somebody's uncle stole.
Speaker A:And then he, like, they found him.
Speaker A:The guy, the cop, like, goes to the house.
Speaker A:He's like, wait, I hear a go.
Speaker A:And they go in the back, and there's the uncle with the goat in a life jacket, and he has thrown the goat in the bayou, and he's using the goat as bait for the alligator.
Speaker A:But he's like, it's not inhumane.
Speaker A:He has a life jacket on.
Speaker A:I also want you to picture this very tiny ghost in a life jacket.
Speaker A:And I was just.
Speaker A:How.
Speaker A:How is this.
Speaker A:So the sheriff who came in after this film thought it didn't.
Speaker A:He did not like how it represented the parish, and he shut it down.
Speaker A:Even though A and E offered to pay him a lot of money, he actually did not not run for reelection because he got caught using a bunch of the parish funds for hunting trips and other shit.
Speaker A:So, yeah, not only did you ruin Cajun justice, but also, like, you're a criminal.
Speaker A:So fuck off, dude.
Speaker A:Yeah, and we will get back to that area in a second.
Speaker A:All right, so let's one go stream.
Speaker A:Stop whatever you're doing.
Speaker A:You pause our podcast.
Speaker B:No, don't pause us.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's, like.
Speaker A:There's only 22.
Speaker A:I think there's, like, 22 episodes of it.
Speaker A:And I have to go back and watch from the beginning because I skipped to where I.
Speaker A:Neither Rougarou is.
Speaker A:We're starting anyway, so.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:The Rougarou.
Speaker A:Rougarou.
Speaker A:And also when they say it in Cajun, it's just so much better.
Speaker A:So what does it look like?
Speaker A:So most lore describes it between, like, 7 to 8ft tall, sharp teeth, and glowing red eyes, usually with the body of a man and the head of a wolf or a dog.
Speaker A:Hence why comparison to a werewolf.
Speaker A:But sometimes it's a headless horseman, sometimes it's swamp monster, sometimes it's whatever.
Speaker A:Because apparently sometimes rigor is A shapeshifter.
Speaker A:So just if you see I.
Speaker A:Anything is a Rougarou that seems difficult.
Speaker B:To identify, then, like, how do you call it?
Speaker B:I've got a Rougarou in my yard.
Speaker B:If I don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, what the one of the one.
Speaker A:There's multiple episodes with.
Speaker A:With.
Speaker A:With Ruger in there, and there are nutrient nutria in there a lot.
Speaker A:But the guy, like, had video of, like, this weird thing, like, in the woods, like, by his house on the bayou, like, that you had to take a boat to get to.
Speaker A:And then the cops get there, and they made him disarmed, like, unload his shotgun because there are cops there.
Speaker A:But I'm like.
Speaker A:And then he stayed on the porch by themselves when they went off to look for the rigarou.
Speaker A:And I'm like, this is how he dies.
Speaker A:I. I saw this episode of Supernatural.
Speaker A:He's gonna die now.
Speaker A:He took the bullets out of his shotgun, and now he doesn't have any.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like, oh, you terrible, terrible shops.
Speaker A:Anyways, so where does it live?
Speaker A:Swamps and bayous, as well as some of the areas around New Orleans.
Speaker A:Garlands.
Speaker A:Why is a Rougarou gonna get you?
Speaker A:Well, it will get you if you're a bad kid, if you're a Catholic and don't follow the rules.
Speaker B:Lit.
Speaker A:It's gonna get you if you're a cow.
Speaker A:Just as they often find cattle mutilations, so I saw some of those on Cajun Justice.
Speaker A:So cattle mutilations are often blamed on the rougarou or chupacabra, just depending on which side of the swamp you're on.
Speaker A:I guess it'll get you just because.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:It's obese.
Speaker B:It's hungry.
Speaker A:It's hungry.
Speaker A:Like we saw.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They're very hungry.
Speaker B:Very hungry.
Speaker A:So how do you become a Rougarou?
Speaker A:Well, if you don't follow the rules of, what, for seven years in a row, you'll turn to a Rougarou if you eat another human Rougarou.
Speaker A:But usually a witch is going to curse you to make you want to turn into that.
Speaker A:If you don't genetically inherit, you can also just been cursed by a witch or a voodoo priestess.
Speaker A:Oh, one of the cops does go to a voodoo priestess and get a curse taken off of him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I want my whole life to be the show.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Sometimes a person can become a Rougarou voluntarily, and that's usually because they're helping somebody transfer the curse.
Speaker A:So there's one theory that the next person that the rougarou Draws blood from will, then become the rougarou.
Speaker A:So a person can.
Speaker A:And that's supposed to be willing.
Speaker A:So, like, you can be like, hey, Dan, I turn into a Rougarou.
Speaker A:Can you.
Speaker A:Can.
Speaker A:Can I cut you?
Speaker A:Or, you know, and then he dance.
Speaker B:Like, help me out.
Speaker B:Help me out here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And afterwards, the person who was a Rougarou will be cured, but they'll say weak forever after, and they can never speak of it again because that's the first rule of Rougarou Fight Club.
Speaker A:All right, so when can it turn?
Speaker A:All right, so in some things, whatever it wants.
Speaker A:Sometimes it's every night that is forced to do it and come.
Speaker A:And then it turns into a human at sunrise, or sometimes it's not in the full moon.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Can it be cured?
Speaker A:There is that human transfer thing we just talked about.
Speaker A:There's also some that say it lasts for 101 days, and then you're done.
Speaker A:How do you kill it?
Speaker A:So some legends say fire, like we'll see in here.
Speaker A:Or others say kill it with fire.
Speaker A:Kill it with fire is generally appropriate.
Speaker A:Or you can also kill it while it's in its human form.
Speaker A:Okay, so how can you protect yourself from the rougarou?
Speaker A:So you can roll up a leaf from the swamps and put that in your wallet.
Speaker A:You can paint a hexagram shape in the middle of your floor, stand in the center of it, and say prayers to protect you.
Speaker A:Or my favorite, you can place 13 pennies at your doorsteps, and when the Ruger receives them, he has to stop and count them.
Speaker A:But he's really bad at math, and he can't count past 12.
Speaker A:So when he gets to 13, he gets very confused and then has to start over.
Speaker A:And then we'll just keep doing this until the sun rises and he has to go home.
Speaker A:That's amazing.
Speaker B:That is the most amazing lore ever.
Speaker A:I love rigorous.
Speaker A:So much.
Speaker A:So that's pretty much like the lore there are.
Speaker A:So also, there is a legend about loot garou balls, which is a gathering of them in a clearing in the swamp.
Speaker A:And they dance in their hind legs before they go out to hunt prey.
Speaker A:And I just think that is the most fantastic idea ever.
Speaker A:And I really want to see a loup garou ball.
Speaker B:That's where my brain went when you said rougarou balls or loup garou balls.
Speaker B:I'm like, what?
Speaker B:Where are we going with this?
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, they're dancing dances, not testicles.
Speaker A:Some other ways that they're popular.
Speaker A:The Audubon Zoo in New Orleans actually has an entire exhibit dedicated to the rougarou, including a statue and the city of Houma, which is featured in Cajun Justice.
Speaker A:Has the Rougarou festival October this year.
Speaker A:It'll be October 2nd, the 23rd.
Speaker A:I think it just looks amazing and weird.
Speaker A:It's been ranked as one of the ten top costume parties in the country.
Speaker A:They even have a rougarou queen.
Speaker A:And some of them, they dress like swamp queens.
Speaker A:And they have a nutria pardoning.
Speaker A:So, like, you know, people pardon the turkey at Christmas, they pardon, like, a nutria from being eaten.
Speaker A:And those that don't get pardoned, they.
Speaker A:There is nutria chili.
Speaker B:I'm sure it's fine.
Speaker B:I just don't necessarily want to eat it.
Speaker B:If you're not sure what a nutrient is, I would suggest it's a giant rat, but basically, it's a giant fucking rat.
Speaker B:It's a giant rat.
Speaker B:It's like a rat the size of a.
Speaker B:It's like a rat the size of a raccoon, basically.
Speaker A:They're kind of cute.
Speaker B:They are.
Speaker B:They're cuter than, like.
Speaker B:I mean, it's not like.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But they're also like.
Speaker B:They're like sewer swamp creatures, so that makes more sense.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't want to eat them.
Speaker A:And, you know, they were a town of the river in San Marco.
Speaker A:R O U S. They are rodents.
Speaker A:They really do look like rodents of unusual size.
Speaker A:They look like them.
Speaker A:I'm pretty sure the rous was modeled after the nutria.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So other things.
Speaker A:There is a cover band based in Royalsford and Telford Penns with deep roots and lower bucks, whatever the fuck that means.
Speaker A:And they play a wide variety of tunes in the classic rock genre.
Speaker A:I did not see Wayward Son on their song list.
Speaker A:You guys are songless.
Speaker A:You could.
Speaker A:I don't even know if classic rock is.
Speaker B:Is it.
Speaker A:No, no, guys.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:But also, the term rougarooing has been used to describe a person who likes to stay up at night, late at night, or just a nickname for kids or big football players.
Speaker A:But I like the fact that if you're.
Speaker A:You want to stay up late at night or cause trouble, you.
Speaker B:A rougarouin that's like, make it an activity.
Speaker B:I like it.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:So that is the rougarou.
Speaker A:I love that Cajun justice, too.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Have to watch this.
Speaker A:Oh, Oh, I have been holding this.
Speaker A:She's like, I can't wait to tell you about this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was like, I have.
Speaker A:I have video to send you.
Speaker A:I have so Much.
Speaker A:So much.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right, so we're getting back to.
Speaker B:So now we know that poor Jack Montgomery is believed to be a rougarou.
Speaker B:And he can now expect, in addition to the weird bony stuff happening underneath him, that his skin's going to go to crap, his teeth are going to go to crap, his eyes are going to go to crap, and then, then he's gonna be real hungry all along, and then he's gonna bite a person and then he's gonna be turned into the monster fully, and there's no turning back from that.
Speaker B:And it's in his bloodline, and that's just all there is to it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We also learned that his dad was one and that Travis killed him, but after he ate people and Jack was put up for adoption.
Speaker A:But he's like, I only kind of look for him.
Speaker A:Like, I didn't really.
Speaker A:Because, like, I didn't want to kill a kid.
Speaker A:Which makes you.
Speaker A:Makes him sound like a half decent guy, right?
Speaker A:Kind of like, oh, well, maybe you're not that bad.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so we see Jack.
Speaker B:Jack's wife cuts herself in the kitchen, bro, this is all going on.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:She's like, oh, I think I need stitches.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:And he's like, by.
Speaker B:Because he just checked with, man.
Speaker B:I'm like, that's fucked up.
Speaker B:But I guess he couldn't handle the blood.
Speaker B:So he goes, yeah, but to his.
Speaker A:Wife is just like, what the fuck?
Speaker B:Yeah, she's pissed.
Speaker B:Pissed.
Speaker B:I would be too.
Speaker B:So he goes to the fucking bar.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And, and, and you could just like, he's just like, eating handfuls of fucking bar peanuts.
Speaker B:And I'm just like.
Speaker A:It's also just like he's sweating, just like, downing whiskey, like, shoving peanuts in his mouth.
Speaker A:And I'm like, we've all been there, Jack.
Speaker A:Like, it's all been us at some point.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But now we see that his, like, strength and demeanor are changing a little bit because there's this chick that's getting her ass at the bar by some douchebag and he decides to intervene and, like, breaks his hand.
Speaker B:I will say I thought it was an interesting scene.
Speaker B:I don't know if this scene contributed much to the episode overall.
Speaker B:That's my statement, even though I just described it to you.
Speaker B:I'm just telling you.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I did think it was interesting that Jack called him a fat, sweaty dick.
Speaker A:And I'm like, you can't talk about sweating right now, man.
Speaker A:Like, you're literally dripping buckets.
Speaker A:Like, you know, I think you need to rethink what your.
Speaker A:Your words are.
Speaker A:But, yeah, he crushes his hand and then he runs away.
Speaker A:Which apparently is what Jack does.
Speaker B:Well, I think Jack's scared of what he's.
Speaker B:What he's doing.
Speaker B:I know, but it's funny.
Speaker A:It's just like blood run away.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:Right away.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Travis tells Dean that the only way to kill these guys for sure is with, to quote, deep fry them.
Speaker B:Which is a gross, mean way to say it.
Speaker A:But, yeah, especially if you're not battering them.
Speaker A:Like, that's not deep frying and you're not covering them in oil.
Speaker A:You're just making little fire.
Speaker A:Like fire flamethrowers.
Speaker A:Which I was like, hey, man, I bet the people.
Speaker A:People in Ukraine could I.
Speaker B:Me too.
Speaker B:I'm like, those are some handy little fire.
Speaker B:I mean, like, I know, like, they've been having like a lot of Molotov cocktail classes, but these little flamethrowers could be quite handy.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Take that, Russia.
Speaker B:All right, so Sam comes back and he's like, Dean's comment after that, he's like, it's the only way to kill them.
Speaker B:And Dean just really, like, deadpans, well, that's going to be horrible.
Speaker A:And he's right.
Speaker B:That was really funny to me.
Speaker B:I was like, thank you to whoever wrote that line of dialogue.
Speaker A:Yeah, thank you for acknowledging again, this kind of goes to the.
Speaker A:I'm not burning a rotting corpse.
Speaker A:I am burning a live human being.
Speaker A:And that's going to be unpleasant.
Speaker A:It is just going to be.
Speaker B:So Sam walks in.
Speaker B:He's like, look, I did a bunch of research and I think.
Speaker A:I'm sorry, Travis just started yelling, nerd.
Speaker A:Nerd.
Speaker A:How dare you read, you fucking nerd.
Speaker B:Travis is, like, so annoyed by this.
Speaker B:And he's like, look, what if Jack doesn't ever eat human flesh?
Speaker B:And if he doesn't, then he will not completely turn.
Speaker B:There's evidence that there's some rivers that.
Speaker B:Did you know, people had the Rougarou gene or whatever and did not turn because they did not take a bite ever.
Speaker B:They resisted.
Speaker B:And that it's.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker B:So that it's.
Speaker B:To preemptively kill him is wrong.
Speaker B:And I'm like, whoa.
Speaker B:I had a little like.
Speaker B:I mean, I get obviously, like, what.
Speaker B:I was starting to think it was kind of fucked up, but I'm like, man, that's like some Minority Report or whatever kind of bullshit.
Speaker B:We're like killing somebody.
Speaker B:Execute somebody before they commit a crime because you think they are going to do it.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Ready.
Speaker A:Deed also makes a comment that Sam Keith is researched by his bed with his ky. And I'm like, yeah, you're not the only one, Sam.
Speaker A:You know, I get off my research too sometimes so.
Speaker B:But, but Travis does not think it's worth the risk.
Speaker B:He's like, no, it's not worth it at all.
Speaker B:And Dean's taking care of Travis aside pretty much in this too.
Speaker B:Like not hardcore, but pretty much.
Speaker B:So I think that Sam's like, look, I am not going to kill him unless he does something to be killed for, period.
Speaker B:Like the dad did kill a human and that's why Travis killed that.
Speaker B:This Jack has not hurt a person yet at all.
Speaker B:I mean he broke a douchebag's hand at the bar.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:And Travis makes a comment that he.
Speaker A:That basically Jack thinks people are me on legs.
Speaker A:Which also I think is.
Speaker A:Is a really great picture.
Speaker A:Because of this picture.
Speaker A:You make a little turkey legs, little.
Speaker B:Steak dancing on some little like high heel, like legs like a little.
Speaker B:Doing a little high kick routine.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:With maybe with a cane,.
Speaker B:Some fishnets.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:But yeah, I thought it was a really like, you know, this ethical debate has kind of come up on the show before whether.
Speaker B:Well, it's kind of come up for Sam and Dean specifically on the good versus evil and if something can be black or white or if there's gray area and this ties into that a little bit.
Speaker B:It's different because I think granted pretty preemptive punishment is wrong.
Speaker B:But I thought it was interesting that they're having that ethical debate again and they don't talk about it long but they do touch on it and I think it's important.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:All right, so we cut and Jack finally goes home to his wife that he.
Speaker B:That had to go to the hospital by herself in the middle of the night and sit there for hours.
Speaker B:And he's like, oh, the blood made me light headed.
Speaker B:And I didn't answer my phone because it died and I couldn't find a pay phone.
Speaker A:Yeah, he just makes a bunch of bullshit man excuses.
Speaker A:And then like all women, she just goes, this is easier than fighting about this.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna.
Speaker A:That is exactly.
Speaker B:And he does apologize.
Speaker A:He apologized and she was still like, yeah, I think I'm just going to give in on this one and.
Speaker A:But I want you to give me diamonds, bitch.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh fuck.
Speaker B:Yeah, she said diamonds for sure.
Speaker B:And they're making out.
Speaker B:And then he gets real weirdly aggressive on the makeout.
Speaker B:Like he gets rapey, he gets a little Rapey.
Speaker B:It was very bizarre.
Speaker B:And so she gets pissed and asks what's wrong with him.
Speaker B:And he says, I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so she pushes him off.
Speaker A:And like, beyond just being kind of like rapey in it, it's also like he's just like gnawing on her neck and something.
Speaker A:She's like, why?
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:Let's go.
Speaker A:I like you licking my.
Speaker A:No, no, wait.
Speaker A:You're over licking my neck.
Speaker B:Now we're.
Speaker B:Now we're.
Speaker B:Teeth.
Speaker B:Teeth.
Speaker B:Teeth.
Speaker A:Nope, nope, nope.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Sexy teeth.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker B:Painful teeth.
Speaker B:Painful teeth.
Speaker B:There's like the build up all the way up.
Speaker B:Sexy teeth.
Speaker B:No, not anymore.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:All right, so Sam and Dean are going to go try to talk to Jack because Sam talks him into it.
Speaker B:Because he's like, look, I don't think we want to kill this.
Speaker B:Dean wants to make sure that Sam's willing to kill Jack if he has to.
Speaker B:And his theory behind all this is that Sam is relating to a nice guy with something evil in his blood.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, yeah.
Speaker B:I think I wrote damn in my notes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then that's what Sam is like, pull the fucking car.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Sam has had it enough.
Speaker A:He's had enough of whatever is up Dean's ass.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker B:And yeah.
Speaker B:So they're like.
Speaker B:He tells Dean that the reason that he lies to him is because of how Dean talks to him.
Speaker B:Being Sam, it's like something's wrong and doesn't know the difference between right and wrong.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, I'm trying to use this shit for good and you need to trust me.
Speaker A:Basically.
Speaker B:Basically.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:And you know, he.
Speaker A:And he is very passionate about it too.
Speaker A:But in just you know, just like.
Speaker A:And really trying to make Dean empathize with him is like, I'm a whole new level of free king.
Speaker A:And like, I'm like, why are you not trying to empathize with your brother here?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:You should like.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:That's why I feel like this is like being driven by something else.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:There's something else is up Dean's butt and it's get.
Speaker A:Kind of getting.
Speaker A:I feel like something is being put onto Sam here a little bit.
Speaker A:I just don't know what it is.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, there's no reason for Dean to be this crazy.
Speaker B:But he's been like this about Sam's potential abilities from the start.
Speaker B:He's been freaked the fuck out about it and doesn't like it.
Speaker B:I think Dean doesn't like he.
Speaker B:You know, he accepts all the supernatural shit, but this is outside of his realm of understanding, and he doesn't like that.
Speaker B:And then it's also happening to his brother, which I think freaks him out.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I think it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's a lot.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we cut back to.
Speaker B:They get back on the road, and we cut to good old Jack, who's just completely zoned out, watering plants in his yard.
Speaker B:And Sam actually introduces them with their real names.
Speaker B:So they need to talk.
Speaker B:Explains how Jack is changing and.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker A:He explains that Jack is a Hungry Hungry Hippo.
Speaker B:Dean tells him a Hungry Hungry Hippo.
Speaker A:And I also think the Rougarou should also be called the Hungry Hungry Hippo.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so they explain it all, including his dad.
Speaker B:They tell him the whole fucking Shebet.
Speaker B:And Dean really, really likes the term long pig.
Speaker B:We've learned by this point, too, by.
Speaker A:The way, because that's a good word.
Speaker B:It's a great term.
Speaker B:And makes a crack about man burger helper.
Speaker A:Everyone wants to get some man burger helper.
Speaker A:But Jack is not taking this well.
Speaker B:I mean, do you blame him?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:But also, there is a point.
Speaker A:He's just like, why are you, like, saying, you clearly want to eat your wife.
Speaker A:You can't deny that you felt like that and you just cr.
Speaker A:Crushed a man's head.
Speaker A:And here are these people that have an explanation.
Speaker A:Maybe not, you know, the easiest of explanations, but at least it's.
Speaker B:It's better than no explanation.
Speaker A:I would be grasping onto anything.
Speaker A:I'd be like, what?
Speaker A:Okay, like, you might have a way.
Speaker B:For me to stop it.
Speaker B:Okay, let's talk like, anything.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, like, but he's a Hungry Hungry Hippo.
Speaker A:And I guess he's hangry.
Speaker A:And he's just so hangry.
Speaker A:He kicks enough the property.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, he.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He does first.
Speaker B:So they tell him that if he can resist, he needs to resist, but if he feeds on once, it's over.
Speaker B:And they'll stop him, which he obviously understands what they mean by that.
Speaker B:And he definitely tells him to get off his lawn.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And maybe some.
Speaker A:Some.
Speaker A:Some of this talk could have been approached differently.
Speaker A:But also, I think they also do a very interesting job of Jack going through, like, the five stages of grief through this.
Speaker A:There is all.
Speaker A:You know, we're in denial right now, right?
Speaker A:This is the stage that we're in.
Speaker A:We're in denial aisle.
Speaker A:And so he is gonna go sit.
Speaker B:In the park bench because by himself, listening to voicemails from his wife.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And just.
Speaker A:You know what's gonna make me feel better?
Speaker A:I'm gonna be a peeping Tom.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's real weird.
Speaker B:That does not seem like.
Speaker B:Not that we know a lot about this character, but it seems out of character.
Speaker B:And he's peeping up this chick and it seems to be the chick from the bar that he helped save.
Speaker A:Oh, was it her?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I think so.
Speaker B:I mean, or is just another pretty brunette.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think they just wanted to put like.
Speaker A:I mean, why do they have to make somebody pretty here?
Speaker A:Like, also like, because if I was like a hungry, hungry H Taco, I'd be like looking for, you know, somebody larger.
Speaker A:I'm just saying because she does not look like she eats a lot of tacos.
Speaker B:Meat on them bones.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, I want some long pig leg.
Speaker A:I want some, you know, some good marbling.
Speaker A:Yeah, you want some marbling on that, right?
Speaker A:You know, like those runners are all tough.
Speaker A:Oh man.
Speaker A:Like think of how much you're gonna have to go through.
Speaker A:It's just gonna be all grainy and anyways, so.
Speaker B:So he's creeping cool and I'm gonna go eat.
Speaker B:This is what he's thinking.
Speaker B:King, obviously.
Speaker B:And the brothers, of course our brothers are watching because they're waiting to see what he does to see if he takes their advice.
Speaker B:And they're like, well, fuck, there he goes.
Speaker B:So they run and break into her apartment with their little makeshift fire throwers.
Speaker B:And he's not there.
Speaker A:So he resisted and they just bursted on this half dressed girl.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:I'm gonna call the cops.
Speaker A:And yeah, I'm surprised I asked.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm surprised they did not have Dean make some pervy comments so good on them.
Speaker A:Maybe that just got edited out.
Speaker B:Maybe it was just so shocking.
Speaker B:They were just like, oh shit, we need to go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we see Jack goes back to his house and he's calling out for his wife, but she's tied up.
Speaker A:But Jack has also changed.
Speaker A:Like, so he comes in and like he is clearly like, oh, he's proud of himself.
Speaker A:We're on the acceptance part.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So he is like, I'm really happy I can control this.
Speaker A:Michelle, I'm home.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker A:And then he's like, what?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:Because fucking, fucking Travis is there to fucking kill Jack like a dick.
Speaker B:And he forms him, which we know doesn't work, but that's a different conversation,.
Speaker A:Much less on a rougarou like, you.
Speaker B:Have to have something hell.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Travis says that, you know, basically, I'm sorry about this.
Speaker B:I'm in that, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, you met with me, my, my, My, you know, counterparts already.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And that I'm just doing you a favor.
Speaker B:Which is sad and wrong.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, this whole.
Speaker B:It's whole.
Speaker A:He's Travis.
Speaker B:I don't like him.
Speaker A:He is awful.
Speaker A:He is so awful.
Speaker B:We get mad about Dean being like, black and white and just a little aggressive on these things.
Speaker B:No, this is the Travis, like, rewrites that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think this also goes to show, like, you know, they talk about some of the other hunters you don't want to hang out with, and this is one of them clearly.
Speaker A:Like, I do not want to hang out with.
Speaker A:With you, dude.
Speaker A:Fuck you, Travis.
Speaker A:So we find out why Travis has tied up his wife.
Speaker A:And it's even more fucked up.
Speaker B:So Travis wants Jack to tell the wife what's going on.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, just let her go.
Speaker B:And then apparently the reason that Travis cannot let the wife go is because she's pregnant.
Speaker B:Duh.
Speaker A:So his solution is.
Speaker A:I'm going to birth you a lot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he's gonna burn both of them alive because she's pregnant with a baby rougarou and baby rutabaga and Jack is a regurgito.
Speaker B:So there he has to burn them on both alive because that is the, like, that.
Speaker B:That puts you on the right side of things.
Speaker B:Like, wtf?
Speaker B:I mean, I cannot process how this guy thinks that he is doing the right thing by that.
Speaker B:Like, in what universe?
Speaker B:How is that that right?
Speaker A:Also, I mean, to get gross on this too.
Speaker A:Like, you clearly found out that you can make him pass out, right?
Speaker A:Like you made him pass out chloroform.
Speaker A:Why don't you pass them out, kill them and then burn them?
Speaker A:Like, you know, at least.
Speaker A:Like, why are you burning them alive, you sick fuck?
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker A:Blah.
Speaker A:You're the hippo.
Speaker B:So, all right, so now Jack's panicking and does not want.
Speaker B:And it's like, okay, well, now he definitely is not going to tell what's going on with him because he doesn't want, you know, to loop his wife in on any of that.
Speaker B:So he's panicking, and while Travis is pouring gasoline all over their fucking house, he uses his super monster power, breaks free, and starts to go fight him.
Speaker B:But then his eyes turn and we know that means he's super tempted.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:He bites Travis.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Well, what was worse than him biting Travis was him breaking his cast.
Speaker A:That was like, to me, like, that grossed me out more than him eating Travis.
Speaker A:Like, oh, that just is so.
Speaker A:Like, he.
Speaker A:When he broke the cast and like, his hand, like, re.
Speaker A:Broke his arm.
Speaker A:Like, oh, that was.
Speaker A:To me, that was awful.
Speaker A:And then I was like, oh, yeah, you're eating Travis.
Speaker A:Okay, fine.
Speaker A:Because Travis kind of deserved to be eaten.
Speaker A:So I'm like, whatever.
Speaker A:Like, yeah.
Speaker A:But I'm like, oh, no, now you're fud.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So his wife is dying.
Speaker B:Wife is horrified.
Speaker B:He's transformed, performing.
Speaker B:And he frees her.
Speaker B:And obviously now she's terrified of him.
Speaker B:So she runs and drives away, which is good.
Speaker B:So he's like, it.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker A:Yeah, you can't, Michelle.
Speaker A:But like, she comes back to.
Speaker A:Anyways, so.
Speaker B:So she's like, he's like, it.
Speaker B:I'm go finish eating Travis, because why not?
Speaker A:Yeah, he's here.
Speaker A:I mean, I can't let him go to waste.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:So he chows down his dinner.
Speaker A:And then the boys show up.
Speaker B:They do, and they realize that Travis was there and they're like, off.
Speaker B:And they find his body and what's left of it.
Speaker B:So Sam's like, well, Dean, I guess you were right about Jack.
Speaker B:And then they get attacked.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And what?
Speaker A:Yeah, and so what's up?
Speaker A:Is like.
Speaker A:So now they're just like, oh, clearly we were wrong.
Speaker A:That's what Sam was like.
Speaker A:Yeah, they don't even like, no, no, he was.
Speaker A:He did good.
Speaker A:And then still did good.
Speaker A:He was putting your stupid friend you up.
Speaker A:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:So they, you know, Jack's got them both knocked out, locks Sam in a closet.
Speaker B:And he's like, look, I'm not hurting Dean other than knocking him out.
Speaker B:And he's just really upset.
Speaker B:And he blames them for Travis.
Speaker B:He's like, he tried to burn my wife alive.
Speaker B:And they're like, the fuck?
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But Jack just won't tell them why Travis wanted to burn her alive.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is interesting.
Speaker A:And we don't go back to.
Speaker A:To that.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So we know Michelle is gone with her baby Rougarou.
Speaker A:Her.
Speaker A:Little.
Speaker A:Little rooarito.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So yeah, so they're just, you know, they're kind of fighting, you know, And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Jack's like.
Speaker B:He sees Dean's clubbing and he's like, just really sad.
Speaker B:He's never going to see his family again.
Speaker B:And he blames them.
Speaker B:And so Sam's just trying to reason with him still, but it's, you know, it's not good.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, so Jack is in the anger part.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So you've gotten through denial, acceptance, and grief because we got the sad part.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And now he's angry.
Speaker B:Yes, so.
Speaker B:And at that point, Sam escapes from the closet and has his fire gun still and uses a on Jack while Dean wakes up.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, before.
Speaker A:Before that even happens, Jack was licking Dean's blood.
Speaker A:And that was kind of gross.
Speaker A:Cause he's like, dean's blood tastes good.
Speaker A:I want to eat Dean.
Speaker A:And Dean's, like, waking up just, like, right when Sam comes in with his flamethrower.
Speaker A:And that probably smelled really, really bad.
Speaker B:Oh, God, no.
Speaker B:So they're driving away, and Dean's telling Sam, you did the right thing.
Speaker B:And I'm sorry for her being hard on you about this, and because the psychic thing just scares the crap out of me.
Speaker B:But now Sam doesn't really want to talk about it.
Speaker B:He can't make Dean understand.
Speaker B:And Dean says that, you know, you don't have to be alone, but, you know, the powers are just playing with fire.
Speaker B:Sam says he's done with them.
Speaker A:And he's done.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He is quitting cold turkey.
Speaker A:No more demon sucking smoke for Sam.
Speaker B:But Sam insists that it's not for Dean.
Speaker B:It's not for the angels.
Speaker B:It's for himself.
Speaker A:It's my choice doing this for me.
Speaker B:My choice.
Speaker A:It's my choice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah, that's what we got.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker B:I think that the aspects of the episode that were super centered on the.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Like, on the ethical dilemmas were really interesting for me.
Speaker B:And I appreciated that our stars, our heroes were heroes in that case, as much as they could be.
Speaker B:Instead of being dicks like, Travis, don't.
Speaker A:Be a dick, man.
Speaker A:Don't be a dick.
Speaker B:And, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker B:I thought it was.
Speaker B:I actually really enjoyed this episode.
Speaker B:I won't lie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Beyond the fact that it introduced me to Cajun justice, I mean, I still think there is definitely highlights in this episode.
Speaker A:I'm kind of tired of shitty hunters, but, you know, this kind of goes to the flow and again, you know, I mean, I guess, you know, when Dean and Sam start, you know, going on this shit again, I'm like, oh, man.
Speaker A:Like, just support your fucking brother.
Speaker A:I mean, if you.
Speaker A:If you had a demon blood curse, like, I would be doing everything I have to support you.
Speaker A:And I would be like, okay, let's figure out how to make you live with the demon blood.
Speaker A:I wouldn't be like, you're a freak.
Speaker A:Diana.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Don't do that.
Speaker A:That's so wrong.
Speaker A:That's a dark side.
Speaker A:Of course I like dark.
Speaker A:He'd be like, do it again, do it again, do it again.
Speaker A:Yeah, more, more, more.
Speaker B:No, I think that, you know the two.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think that's a big thing, is the lack of support's really bizarre.
Speaker B:As tight as they are, I think that they.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I mean, like they said, I understand.
Speaker B:Understand what freaks Dean out about it, but I don't understand how he's applying it in their relationship, if that makes sense.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, totally.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I don't understand how you were so basically anti your.
Speaker A:I guess it's a big brother thing, right?
Speaker A:You've got that really.
Speaker A:I know what's better for you and I know, like, what you should be doing, but at the same time, like, you just need to support your family.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:Well, and they're on it.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:They're a team.
Speaker B:Like, this is stupid.
Speaker B:Like, why are you anyway.
Speaker A:This is stupid.
Speaker A:Stop fighting with your brother.
Speaker A:Grow up, dude.
Speaker B:Like, God, I don't know.
Speaker B:It's bizarre to me.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But I mean, I guess that's what they do.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just think it's.
Speaker B:I think it's.
Speaker B:Obviously this is an ongoing.
Speaker B:This is a little bit different than some of their previous arguments, in my opinion, because I think that this is now.
Speaker B:It's not just like, oh, Sam had some flash of somebody that was going to die.
Speaker B:This is actually like full on.
Speaker B:Like, he is able to.
Speaker B:Able to manifest and do things with his powers.
Speaker B:And Dean actually seeing that, I think changed it a bit since he actually physically saw it this time.
Speaker B:And I think that.
Speaker B:I think that that's what really like, sparked the fear in Dean.
Speaker B:I'm not saying it makes it okay.
Speaker B:It's still stupid.
Speaker B:But I think that that's kind of where it comes from.
Speaker B:It makes this argument a little different than others.
Speaker B:Now, I will say if this is the same argument I have to listen to for every episode for the rest of this season, I'm gonna get real fucking tired of it.
Speaker A:Yeah, well.
Speaker A:And I mean, I think the main thing of it of the argument where the only part where I side with Dean is why are you trusting a demon?
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Like that.
Speaker A:That seems so stupid.
Speaker B:That seems questionable.
Speaker A:As cute as she is and she becomes your wife.
Speaker A:Like, I get it.
Speaker A:But I would cautiously not trust the.
Speaker B:Demon you know, is there a weird ethical thing?
Speaker B:Because it implies they've got some romantic stuff going on, too.
Speaker B:It's implied.
Speaker B:I thought, okay, he.
Speaker A:That her meat suit.
Speaker A:Well, it depends on where her meat suit came from.
Speaker A:Like, whether that's what I'm saying.
Speaker A:But I mean, so sometimes.
Speaker A:And we'll.
Speaker A:We'll get spoiler alert.
Speaker A:You know, meat suits can be, you know, people who were, like, almost dead, you know, like, so, like, they're not there.
Speaker A:You know, so it's like.
Speaker A:Like an empty meat.
Speaker B:Empty meat suit.
Speaker B:Okay, so there isn't a chicken.
Speaker B:I would feel better about that because I'm having, like, a weird.
Speaker A:I would also say, like, if I was a woman.
Speaker A:Woman trapped in a meat suit and then, like, my demon was banging Jared Padalecki, I wouldn't be mad.
Speaker A:Okay with it.
Speaker A:Like, I don't think I'm saying that.
Speaker A:I would be like, okay, yeah, that's fine.
Speaker A:Go get you some.
Speaker A:Like, you know, I'm just saying.
Speaker A:Oh, no, Diana has the aunts, but, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:I think we'll get.
Speaker A:We'll have more time to tell her.
Speaker B:Out and continue to learn.
Speaker A:And we're going around in it.
Speaker B:Ruger around.
Speaker B:Rutabaga around.
Speaker B:I don't know why.
Speaker B:That's what I think of.
Speaker B:That's what I got.
Speaker B:I like this.
Speaker B:It was fun in a gross, sad way.
Speaker B:Is that makes sense?
Speaker B:I don't even know.
Speaker A:No, it.
Speaker A:It was a meaty episode.
Speaker A:Definitely had its moments.
Speaker A:I don't know how I feel, how much it drives the overarching storyline.
Speaker A:We're only in episode four.
Speaker A:I am always.
Speaker A:Ha.
Speaker A:You know, it was a while since I got to do a crap Cryptid, so I was happy to have a monster, you know, like just an actual monster.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, yeah, I get to go.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:By the way, like, if you ever dig into some Louisiana folklore, y' all some racist.
Speaker A:Like, I saw some in there.
Speaker A:I was like, oh.
Speaker A:Like, I didn't.
Speaker A:Oh, you published that?
Speaker A:Oh, like, man, there's a.
Speaker A:There's a weird.
Speaker A: Written in the, like,: Speaker A:Oh, boy.
Speaker B:Surprise.
Speaker A:Wait, if I make it.
Speaker A:Made that in a cat cage and think I can make Cajuns?
Speaker B:Yeah, they do weird Cajun sound.
Speaker A:What is that?
Speaker B:Is it.
Speaker B:I will.
Speaker B:I will say I do think it forwards the episode of the series from not knowing the series.
Speaker B:I thought it did because I think it.
Speaker B:By having another hunter, it continues to show that there is a larger network of hunters and that Sam And Dean might are not the only ones.
Speaker B:They might be the best or the best known or the most notorious, but they are.
Speaker B:It's not just them and Bobby out there there.
Speaker B:So it continues to develop that background, which I think I'm assuming is going to continue and that there is a larger network of hunters.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker B:Also tied in when we learned that Mary's family were hunters.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like Sam learned that in this episode.
Speaker B:And then we also have actually seeing Dean or, sorry, Dean, catch.
Speaker B:See Sam do the, the smoke.
Speaker B:Cock demon tricks.
Speaker A:Yeah, let's say.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Coax.
Speaker A:You know, they're his, his mad magic trips of coke smoke.
Speaker A:I just, I'm just making up lost words.
Speaker A:Words are hard.
Speaker A:I'm almost done with the Rougarou.
Speaker A:One last thing on the Rougarou.
Speaker A:And so, you know, in reading the background of you, how they came up with a monster, like, they kind of went back and forth on different monsters, and it was just made because it was the best thing that kind of fit the storyline they wanted to do.
Speaker A:But I would have liked to have seen this.
Speaker A:Mommy's Answer, Indiana.
Speaker A:Like, if you're gonna do a. I would have also, just mainly because, you know, I'm obsessed.
Speaker A:I love Cajuns.
Speaker A:Like, I think they're so much fun.
Speaker A:I don't want to live with you Cajun.
Speaker A:Y' all some crazy motherfuckers.
Speaker A:But I love visiting y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:And, you know, I grew up, you know, spending some time out there.
Speaker A:And, you know, they're very, obviously, they're right next to us.
Speaker A:So I love y' all Cajun people, even though y' all batshit crazy.
Speaker A:So it would have been fun to have, like, just some crazy.
Speaker B:Like, that's a really good point.
Speaker A:Like, if Jack has been just like a full on, like, I almost got it.
Speaker A:I, I, that's it.
Speaker A:That's a Cajun sound.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, that's a really good point.
Speaker B:I think geographically would have made a ton more sense.
Speaker B:The, the Ruger in that, from this, from the show's lore is actually a really fucking tragic kind of scenario too, by the way.
Speaker A:Well, in genetic, like the genetic ones, typically, though, it has to be something that's triggered.
Speaker A:And I don't think, like, I think there was other things that were supposed to trigger it as it went along for the traditional one, but really that goes into.
Speaker A:And I'm sure we can talk about this in future episodes, really just what shape shifting in general means to human beings and what, why we are afraid of that and what it means psychologically.
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker B:Why are we afraid of it?
Speaker B:Shapeshifters seem awesome.
Speaker A:Shapeshifters seem awesome.
Speaker A:Unless you are a dumb villager and don't understand.
Speaker A:Understand science and just like you're a witch turned into a cat and then she stole my soul.
Speaker A:You know, it's cats, man.
Speaker A:They're always stealing your souls anyways.
Speaker A:All right, guys, we are rambling long enough and I'm going to.
Speaker A:I'm going to stop us and.
Speaker A:Stop it.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Stop it.
Speaker A:Stop it.
Speaker A:Damn it.
Speaker A:I'm completely out of the Krugerou.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Cheers, jerks.
Speaker A:Cheers.
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