9:08 Rock and a Hard Place

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Diana

On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we invite you to our Vestal Festival.

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Liz

You can drink the mystery ass milk and press the Virgin reset button. Let's do this.

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Liz

Okay.

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Diana

Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.

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Liz

I'm Dianna and I'm Liz.

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Diana

And this week we're going to stop at wickedness. This week we're going to talk about season nine, episode eight, Rock and a Hard Place. Dirty and us. So, how are you doing?

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Liz

Well, doing well, it's been, you know, it's we had a cool front. And so the high today is like 87, so it's very, very pleasant weather going on. Got to go see fair play last week. And that was they were a fun man to to go out and check out and mean the is open for them. And that was a cool time to be had.

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Liz

This interview and beyond that have just been, you know binge watching some some some TV shows though. So yeah. So that's about it for me. What about you?

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Diana

I feel like I've been very busy and, like, what have I been doing? I did, I did go to see, Black Flag with friends, aka Gray Flag, aka Jazz Flag, whatever you want to call them. The current iteration. But, we had a fun part on the what?

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Liz

Again.

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Diana

They did not have a melodica.

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Liz

So they're not scofflaw.

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Diana

No, they're not Scott Flag and, and they, they left the theme at home. But yeah. So, but I, we had a good time hanging out with friends and then, yeah, you know, life. That's my, I feel very, very, very sleepy. That's what I got. I don't want to talk about anything else, so. Well, the note.

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Liz

So you what, you do want to talk about a supernatural.

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Diana

Yes.

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Liz

the Rolling Stones from their: 1989

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Liz

He sadly passed away in: 2023

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Diana

And then we've got Sam, these arrests, and then we've got Jodi. It's going to be back, which is exciting. And Crowley second blood.

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Liz

Well, they also do a show like where we last left Jodi, which is lying on the floor of that bathroom. Like nobody checked on her. It was like, not on here. Like, we don't know what the fuck happened to Jodi.

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Diana

So did.

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Liz

It. We. This is we don't know why they didn't say anything. So this as I point this data. So who the fuck knows? So we go to Casey's Great Plain Diner.

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Diana

Great Plains Diner in Hartford, South Dakota, and we've got a girl, young, a young girl like waitress shutting down for the night. Locks the door. She kindly leaves a To-Go box for the homeless guy sleeping outside the restaurant. And as she's talking to her car, she hears a noise. She's being followed, of course. She trips and drops her keys.

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Liz

And she, of course, falls down and loses her keys under the car.

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Diana

And. But then she's like, oh, fuck this. I'll just hide under the car. This is smart. I'm a smart girl.

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Liz

But I have a smart girl and I have a taser, and I'm going to turn it on and that's going to show there. But I don't know. I mean, she's like, yeah, she could fit underneath that car.

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Diana

But then if it was a lifted Jeep thingy, kind of settings like Cherokee kind of vibe. So then something is able to fully lift this Jeep and we see a silhouette of a person and blue flames everywhere, and it drags her in, drops her in a hole.

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Liz

And that's what happens.

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Diana

Yeah. So, back at the bunker, we've got, Sam has fallen asleep at the kitchen table, and as Dean enters the kitchen, wakes him up and they're basically there's, you know, we get our recap of Kevin through their dialog, which is he's found nothing. He's got four days with no sleep.

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Liz

. And I really like to scream: 1940

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Liz

Yeah. But whatever.

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Diana

And they're just talking about maybe Crowley lied about Metatron spell being irreversible, but Sam just keeps yawning. He feels like his battery can't recharge, and we know it's because fucking Sam Zeke Hill is trying to fix him both bodies at the same time, apparently. And it's.

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Liz

re just feeling anything like: 2030

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Diana

Yep. And it's it makes no sense. So Dean gets a phone call and it is Sheriff Jody Mills. Okay. And he puts on speaker because she's got a case. There's about four people missing in the last week in this small town that she helps oversee. So they meet her at the diner, and, they hug and Dean makes a crack about blind dates.

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Diana

She is not amused.

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Liz

Because they laugh a lot and pass out on the floor and she's pissed. So we bring that up. Dean. So, but also after these hugs, she explains the case about all four victims.

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Diana

Yeah, we've got four abductions is what they're calling them right now with, quote, strong evidence literally at every scene. So our pastor was abducted and his door was punched in. We've got an engaged couple whose locked window was ripped open. And now our waitress where a witness saw someone lift an SUV.

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Liz

I just I did not I just got that, and that's great. I'm so glad you figured that out. So. Yeah.

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Diana

You know, I love a good find. Yeah, actually, I have a terrible one, too. I love a pun. Yeah. So, and, apparently all of them were members of the local good Faith church, and Jody makes a reference to how her church with, her congregation was very surprised at this. And, they're kind of like, oh, wait, you go to church and she's like, at choking on the ladies room floor because of witchcraft, makes a higher power seem relevant.

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Liz

Yeah. But I mean, at the same time, I'm like, I would make me like, be I would be a witch. I'd be like, what the fuck? Like I can choke somebody out. Like I would go the other way, but you know, we all go our ways, you know.

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Diana

Oh, well, she's but you. But also she's a cop. Would you be a cop?

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Liz

Yeah. So she wants to be in the know so she can be prepared. Right. Like you can also be in the know. You learn spells. And that's how you you learned to be in the know anyways. So that's what this is a path Jody went on. And it's fine.

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Diana

So Sam's like, well maybe this is something with angels. And she is very excited for a moment. And Dean is like, no, no, they suck. But yeah, they Sam, Dean and Jody are going to go talk to our witness, though. And this is our homeless guy slim, who saw kind of sorta basically he's like, look, you know, I heard a noise, I woke up, I saw someone lifting the car.

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Diana

It was too far to see who it was. But I saw this blue light fire, but it wasn't really fire. And then she was gone. So now they she. So they give him some cash and send him on his way. But now they know there wasn't white light. So it's not angels because it's blue light and blue flames, by the way.

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Diana

all I can think about is the: 2000

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Liz

Yeah, no, I read Elsa's like I thought about Elsa. I feel like it was this episode, so. Hey, Elsa.

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Diana

In case.

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Liz

If you ever listen to this. Hi. So, no, I thought about the blue flames a lot, but also on this thing, they're like, oh, it's not white flames. So it's not an angel. And like, two fucking weeks ago, you had pink goo.

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Diana

That were angels. Yeah.

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Liz

So what is this? I don't think that rules anything out. I just, I just don't. Yeah, I think it's naive. But anyways.

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Diana

So there you go to that. So we got Sam dinner going to go to the church and is a very like the I know it's just like a this is not a mega church but it's but it's a one like that. But it's like is that.

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Liz

Is that they open and they took somebody else's church. This is like they moved into this like there was another church there and like something happened to them and they just like, that's that's what this feels like. But it's a very large, very Gothic looking church for their congregation. I don't get it, but okay.

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Diana

It's weird. Yeah. So they say they have done a tour and are considering joining and they are meeting with Barney and he wants. And so Sam is going to straight up ask her about the members that went missing. And she's like, oh, now we've improved security. And we're praying, of course, and, Barney ends up revealing, though, that all the missing we're in members of AP.

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Liz

Which upou.

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Diana

UPU, which is abstinence purifies us. Their chastity group. So Sam's like awesome. We're going to sign up for your church right now, and we want to join the fucking group we're in. Dina's not so gung ho about this.

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Liz

Plan, but she will be a squirrel, a skirt. And I'm very much like to see a squirrel in a skirt. So good for her.

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Diana

And so, there, while she steps out for a minute, Sam and Dean discuss that it could be something. If something stalking virgins, it could be a dragon, which is what we were teased with in our recap. But she returns with their purity pledge. It is a commitment to their virgin virginity, and Dean points out that you can't really unring that bell.

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Diana

And she's like, yeah, you can. You have to ask for forgiveness.

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Liz

And move and poof, you get a virginity do over, but you get a clean slate. So they sign. And I'm sorry, Mr. Winchester. Brothers, at this point in your Winchester life and career, would you sign anything that anybody that you didn't know, like, put in front of you and sign your real fucking names, is that they do they put their real fucking names on there.

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Diana

It's weird. Weird choice.

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Liz

Yeah.

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Diana

So we cut to this hole in the ground where our waitress wakes and her name is honor. We've learned her name.

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Liz

Is honor, but I keep calling her Taser waitress. That sounds more badass. And honor.

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Diana

Guard. Taser waitress. And she's using her little taser to look around, and she's finding, like, some old containers that are, like, government issue disaster provisions. Not good. Not a good sign in a nuclear bunker.

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Liz

No, no, it's.

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Diana

Not a fun bunker. This is this is not the fun bunker.

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Liz

You know? And there's something wrong here. I'm being real creepy.

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Diana

This. I'm sticking around. Yeah. As you can't see in the dark. So we cut to a meeting of the AP. You. Oh, and Susie is leading the meeting. Susie. Susie is a very pretty blond woman trying to dress down with her sweatshirt, which just seems very hungry. It's the way she's wearing it. But whatever. That's my hot take for the day.

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Diana

And so they're praying.

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Liz

She knows she's like a TV show. I don't want to be hot, but I had to be hot because I'm on a television show.

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Diana

I guess, I just, I, I disagree with their costuming choice for her. So they're doing their praying for their missing members that are out there somewhere. And, Tammy is going to continue the next verse of her poem. And sex is a racket and God's ball is in your court.

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Liz

I think it sounds like a banger, and I want to hear it.

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Diana

Well, they she luckily gets cut off, I will say, because I don't know if I could have sat through Tammy's poetry slam.

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Liz

About I think I could have, but yeah. So Susie instead, though, I want to hear from their new friends. And Sam basically says that he has the pain of death.

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Diana

Yeah, he basically says that and he's like, oh, it hasn't ended well. And Dean's like, yeah, that's an understatement. And they're all and they all chance their a group motto stay strong, stay pure.

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Liz

I'm out. I'm sorry I can't hear over it anywhere. And anyway he says those those four words together out. Now what. Just you need to go. The FBI is probably already infiltrated this group. You get the fuck out of there right now.

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Diana

But then that sounds like a different type of group.

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Liz

Yes, that sounds like a very different type of group. So anyhow, so then Dean decides to explain how good sex feels to this group of sad and lonely women who have so sworn off dick.

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Diana

Yeah, and he gives them a full sex novel, chapters worth of descriptions while trying to be kind of like coy about it, but not. And everybody is. Oh, he's hot, heavy and tearing the papers in their hands and sitting on the edge of their seats. And then he ends with saying the whole thing was sticky. Yeah. Breaks the spell for everyone.

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Liz

Okay. Does this. Yeah. And he got his V card back. So Dean Winchester is a virgin, and he can't stop thinking, though, about how familiar Mrs.. It looks to him.

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Diana

Yeah. And, so he's going to he's going to go talk to her. And Sam in the meantime, is talking to, Bonnie about the missing again. And Bonnie's like, he's.

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Liz

Not doing I don't understand. You're bad at this thing. Like, he's just like, I just. I couldn't help thinking about those who were there. Like, you didn't know these fucking people. It's not. It's not cool. You look like you're. You're digging her anyways. But she dumb. Or she or evil, we don't know, but.

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Diana

Well, that to Bonnie is like, Honor was my favorite, but then she's too busy watching one of the other attendees steal a bunch of cookies.

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Liz

So, yeah, that's my girl. You take cookies from this? Maybe like no one else is going to eat them.

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Diana

Way you are getting ready for cookies.

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Liz

But you get your cookies. But, Bonnie, it's not a I no. So first ham is where the weird. Yeah. Is.

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Diana

Tammy is, is ready to talk some shit about honor.

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Liz

This is just like, you have no idea what kind of war honor.

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Diana

Wants, right? So while that's happening, Dean has decided that he is going to walk Susie home to borrow some books on abstinence. Because this is going to go well.

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Liz

Yeah, that sounds that sounds great. And also. But Susie's just like I offer individual counseling. Girl, you sound like you're offering a webcam session, like, right here. Like, none of this sounds like the up and up. I'm sorry. You do not look like you're about to talk to anybody about chastity.

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Diana

Not at all. Not at all. So either way, Sam. Sam is stuck talking to, Tammy about honors store bought cookies for the bake sale, and Dean is going to go try to bang Susie. So in the meantime, Sam ends up going back to their motel where Jodi is waiting for them and she is doing research. And they.

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Diana

Sam has shared now that he learned from Tammy that honor and Pastor Fred, who was also missing, were banging. And Jody has found out that Barb, the missing bride to be, and her fiancé Neil were banging. So all these people. Oh, and and he told her it didn't count because it was under 30s. So all of.

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Liz

It, she said that and then say, lay that in here. It was because of butts off or something. But in out leg is they were just violating their chastity pledges.

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Diana

So they weren't virgins. So now it couldn't be dragons.

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Liz

That no dragons ruled.

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Diana

Against their people breaking.

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Liz

Expensive.

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Diana

So Susie and Dean are at her apartment, and she immediately takes off her hoodie and looks very sexy in her little tank top. That's.

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Liz

She has, yeah, she has it. I'm very tight looking like very tight looking things. That probably comes from the that documentary show that I forget the name of it, but it is, it is. But Dean cannot, like, cannot handle her tiny little camisole now.

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Diana

But she wants to sit and he's going to light a candle. He is ready. But, she is crying about her baby friends and he wants him to pray with her.

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Liz

Yeah, at least he's not that much of a dick, right? And then we. But he's. So he's still not answering his phone.

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Diana

No, no, because Sam's calling. Tams knows it's not dragons and is worried now. So Jody tells Sam that he looks like crap. And, and they're kind of like, had this weird exchange about being born again, and but she's like, look, I just enjoy church. I don't consider myself porn again. I just need something that made sense and comforted me just fine.

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Liz

Yeah. I mean, which is you. You saw your child eat your husband. I mean, maybe you need Jesus or that. That's some you, Jody. Like, I mean, I know, and then you.

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Diana

Got choked by witchcraft on him, and.

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Liz

Then you got shocked by witchcraft. And then I think you should go to a different place and learn. You learn so, you know, but whatever you do, you Jody. So that happens. And then we go back to Susie and Dean.

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Diana

And she's actually getting books for him now. So it's not. So it looks like she actually does want.

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Liz

Yes. It's a lot of books of chess.

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Diana

It's a lot of books.

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Liz

Sometimes I know they're made by the art department, but I also know, sadly there's that many books. Yes. Okay.

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Diana

Well, while she is wandering around gathering books from multiple rooms, which is an odd choice. Also, Dean has decided to go through a drawer and has found a copy of Casa Erotica 28 as a DVD with Susie on the cover.

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Liz

Susie and her maracas. Yes, God willing, give me maracas if didn't want you to shake them.

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Diana

So, that's a Dirty Dancing.

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Liz

So. Yeah. So Susie comes out and Dean says, oh,

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Diana

Yeah. And they have a very sexy exchange. And it gets real awkward and calls her Carmelita. And, she's like, you need a new counselor. And he's like, you're a legend. She's like, I'm trying to leave it behind.

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Liz

Yeah, it's very weird. Lee. So apparently, Susie's last Carmelina had a very good time with the industry. We're not giving you a leg. No judgment. Here's how you did it. But. And, Dean is just like, I love you, and you're amazing. And then she's like, thank you, sir, for honoring my work. Now let's honor it together by doing it.

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Diana

Right, even though that's the life I left behind. And the whole point of me is to not do that anymore.

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Liz

But he's kind of. It's, But also, he's not creepy about it. He's had a sweet about it. Lee is kind of leg fanboy. He's he's he's favoring her, which is kind of funny to to have that turn on Jensen Ackles, right to like have.

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Diana

You know, he's totally fan blowing on her.

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Liz

Yeah, I don't know. It's a very it's a very interesting exchange, as you say. Like, yeah.

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Diana

She asks if he's a bad boy in Espanol and he says si.

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Liz

Yeah, I feel bad. So okay, so that happens. And then we, they, they start to make out and then we go to Taser girl having problems.

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Diana

Yeah. She's still wandering around. She finds more emergency supplies and a lantern which is very helpful. I have to use this freaking taser to light her way anymore. But she finds also an unconscious pastor, Fred, and she finds Neil and Barb and Neil and Barb have been just, like, hanging, apparently just quietly hiding from her like dicks. And they're like, oh yeah, all.

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Liz

Barb, we're.

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Diana

Going to fucking. We're all going to fucking starve to death just like him. Sorry. I don't.

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Liz

Trust them.

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Diana

And not at all like, oh, we got a flash of blue flames and Pastor Fred's gone.

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Liz

No more, Fred, and you're going to hear screaming.

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Diana

Yeah. So Sam and Jody are like, fuck, we got to go check on damn Dean and Susie because they're going to be breaking their vows. So whatever. It's been over an hour.

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Liz

You know, I like him. Dean couldn't keep, like, you know, his pants are, like, longer than, like, two hours. Like a way to go. Self control. Man.

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Diana

Dean and says you get dressed and make out again. And as they Dean goes to leave, there's blue flames. Knock them both out.

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Liz

So yeah. And then they cut to somebody scraping their nails down a wall like an asshole. And of course it's fucking far. I'm like, what the hell, Barb? That's so gross. Like, look at you. Oh, it's just you down. See you.

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Diana

Can I make a mean comment? This is why by, like, a few days, right? It's actually been down there for, like, a month.

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Liz

Yeah. Yeah, I know.

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Diana

It was four people in the last week. I thought it was the whole, like, thing.

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Liz

We don't know how we would react if we. If a mythological big deity locked us in a basement, but. Maybe not this.

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Diana

Maybe not that yet. I think maybe.

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Liz

Like, you could give me a couple a couple more days, but you don't know how time goes. You just saw somebody die. But I also just can't stand for my nails to be that, Like, I just would bite them off because you can't have your nails be like that.

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Diana

It even hurts to think about it. But I have my my freaking acrylics. I just, like, pains me. Well, I.

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Liz

Have no nails. I can just bite them off. But they can never be like that. So anyhow, so enough on Barb's nails. So then she. Yeah. And she likes her blood, which is also just gross. It's just the always with the so that.

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Diana

Happens and you get dropped in.

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Liz

And then they say that like one of them says like worm Dean wants to know where they are. One of them says that they're in hell. And Dean looks around and is like, no, no, that really doesn't look like it. I don't think so. It's like a basement to me or something.

00;24;42;01 - 00;25;02;24

Diana

But yeah, so Jody's at the apartment now, and he's like, yeah, the neighbor saw a flash bloom, and Sam's like, I look at these DVDs I found. Looks like Sam crossed someone off, or it looks like Dean cross someone off his bucket list. So back in there, Dean is going to try to find a way out of this bunker.

00;25;02;29 - 00;25;20;00

Diana

Obviously, he's going to try to find his way out there. Obviously, they find out that there's an air vent, so they're not going to like suffocate, but there's no food and no water and no exit. And so they and they don't no one was able to see what took him past Fred because the blue flames were too bright.

00;25;20;02 - 00;25;22;01

Diana

He's trying to problem solve.

00;25;22;03 - 00;25;23;03

Liz

Yeah.

00;25;23;06 - 00;25;32;16

Diana

So Jody and Sam have to research, and Jody strikes gold in her hunt.

00;25;32;19 - 00;25;35;15

Speaker 3

I don't know if I'm saying it's.

00;25;35;18 - 00;25;37;15

Liz

In South Dakota. I know they're miners.

00;25;37;15 - 00;25;41;01

Diana

Instead, I'm sure Jody has discovered her.

00;25;41;02 - 00;25;42;07

Liz

Does in her spare time.

00;25;42;13 - 00;25;43;29

Diana

In a storage.

00;25;44;01 - 00;25;45;05

Liz

Service pan and.

00;25;45;07 - 00;26;11;16

Diana

Have panning for gold. Jody has found a story about a Roman goddess of the hearth, Vesta. And, they it's six girls. It's a fire. Is it fire being a symbol of purity? So they had to keep the fire going, and they had to be virgins, and, had to be virgins for 30 years or get buried alive.

00;26;11;19 - 00;26;19;25

Liz

Yeah. And so that's what Jody says. And or so Diana says with Jody says there's Diana. It was a little off, but that's okay. Diana.

00;26;19;28 - 00;26;21;07

Diana

Jody is close to what? Jody.

00;26;21;07 - 00;26;52;22

Liz

You're close, but she's also a little orphan. So some things. So we're going to talk about you know what when she was talking about, which is Vesta. And we're also going to talk about the Vestal virgins. And Laura is is Lord had to do. Okay. So the six virgins that she was talking about, the way that Jody says it, like it sounded like the goddess, it like the the virgins are being sacrificed to Vesta, and that's not what they were.

00;26;52;22 - 00;27;30;12

Liz

They were priestesses and they were real priestesses that served at the Temple of Vesta in Rome. They were around since the founding of Rome. They represented the city as a whole and they're real people. So we're going to talk about those ladies and also a little bit about Vesta. And but also just want to give a little caveat, because much of what we know is derived from historical accounts from from people who sometimes, you know, had agendas because they were they were people and they were dudes writing about things that happened.

00;27;30;12 - 00;27;49;06

Liz

Right? So sometimes people want to write things to make certain people look better, but others people are also less likely to document the mundane events. We want to talk about the, you know, even better than it was clickbait, right? And so like, where are the important things? So we don't know, like what these what things are like. Did it because we wrote that down.

00;27;49;06 - 00;28;06;14

Liz

We can get some things through archeology but you know so but basically also these the vestal virgins existed over basically like a thousand years. So some of the things that we talk about are going to kind of jump in and out of that. And because we don't have time to talk about a thousand years of history in like little bits.

00;28;06;14 - 00;28;33;20

Liz

And also that's just not how things are recorded. So let's look at things like a fuzzy lens, wish for a time machine so we can learn the truth. Even though time travel is stupid. So let's start with the goddess Vesta. So I don't like to say mean things about other women, especially when they are goddesses. But Vesta's kind of boring if she was just compared to the other goddesses.

00;28;33;20 - 00;28;57;16

Liz

I mean, she was important to Rome, but as a deity man. And I'm immediately regretting what I typed here, what I'm about to say. But I can't help it. And she is a trad wife goddess and that is fine, because the dudes writing about her loves and trad Roman was like, that's really the infinitive. But they want wanted like traditional Roman values, right?

00;28;57;16 - 00;29;23;23

Liz

That's what they were. So anyways. But that's, you know, she was about virginity and being chased. And you know, that's not a lot of fun sometimes, right? She was also an eternal virgin. And all I could hear is like, you're a virgin who can't drive. And she was the goddess of our hearts and home. She also symbolized faith, family and domestic order.

00;29;23;29 - 00;29;49;25

Liz

She was there to make sure of. Your house was just running smoothly and peaceful. So that is a very important thing to have the message of tranquility, just as a make for really exciting mythological stories. Right? So there's a story about her with a donkey in it that's not even that fun. And there's a donkey, so we don't have time to go into all of that here right now.

00;29;49;27 - 00;30;12;23

Liz

So that's going to be over in our new special segment called More Lore. It'll be available as bonus content everywhere that you get your podcasts and etc. YouTube, whatever. So if you want more details about the Vestal Virgins and the Vesta, then what I'm going to tell you here, because I got to tell you, I was going to leave you guys hanging, but go over to the bonus and you can get some more stuff.

00;30;12;28 - 00;30;42;10

Liz

All right. So back into what I just a normal story about this is basically Buster, right. Sort of boring goddess part of like hearth and home. And a big building temple was erected for her here in the Roman Forum in the eighth century BC. King Numa Populus created the Vestal Virgins as, according to his guide, you observe according to what people began creating xox right, right.

00;30;42;13 - 00;31;08;12

Liz

So created the Vestal virgins. And so basically these ladies are the priestesses who were there to care for the temple dedicated to Vesta, and also really to care for the sacred eternal flame. This is what the bangles were talking about. I think this is what that song was actually about. So the sacred eternal Flame, the Ignis, eternal Ares.

00;31;08;12 - 00;31;29;18

Liz

I'm not worried about mispronouncing Latin because it's a dead language and you don't know how it's supposed to sound anyway, so fuck off. All right, so this flame that represented the prosperity of Rome. And if it went out, it was supposed to be like the downfall of Rome. You know, if somebody looked into a crystal ball at one point was like, oh, if you if this goes out, Rome dies, right?

00;31;29;21 - 00;31;49;14

Liz

So the Vestal virgins have the responsibility of ensuring that it didn't go out. If that did happen on their watch, they would get the shit beat out of them. And they said in the year 297 BCE. So one of the vessels was the thing went out there like, oh no. So she got the crap beat out of her.

00;31;49;17 - 00;32;11;18

Liz

And but that was also like a lot of things are going on. At that time, Hannibal's armies were closing in, so Rome was really afraid if this went out, everybody was going to die. So in order to make the people feel better, the pontificates pants of whatever the big priest dude was like, we have to beat her and to make people feel better, we did.

00;32;11;25 - 00;32;41;21

Liz

He did. So we've got the symbol for Vesta and these, penetrating virgins, which are symbolic for how Rome was, penetrated. It becomes very, like, gross dude thing. So they're liquor. Rome, right? Nobody's penetrated. So, just like you're like these virgin ladies. So she Jodie was correct. There was typically six of them and they were selected from the super elite families.

00;32;41;23 - 00;33;02;23

Liz

If you know anything about Rome, you know they had a big class thing and they had one group with the patricians and the plebeians. And then there's evil underneath of Levi and Stew. But there was always the plebeians be like that, like working class magicians, like you're upper class, your nobility, and they're always kind of at odds. And a lot of the infighting in Rome comes between those two things coming up.

00;33;02;23 - 00;33;25;01

Liz

So Vestal virgins, came from the super elite families. Originally they had, like, a group of 20 virgins. They got together, and then, like, they couldn't get, like, 20, like, all the times. If I was just like, one's enough, you can just take from one. And they had to be a girl who was between 6 to 10 years old.

00;33;25;04 - 00;33;45;27

Liz

And I don't think you had a 6 or 10. She had a lot of autonomy. And whether or not she was going to be doing this lifelong commitment. Yeah. But you know, and you know that it wasn't probably that terrible for her. We'll get to that way in a minute. But so once they were selected, she would be committed to serving as a vessel over the next 30 years.

00;33;45;29 - 00;33;54;14

Liz

And they'd be broken into ten year chunks, ten years to learn, ten years to do, and ten years to teach. But I don't think it's a bad system. Right.

00;33;54;17 - 00;33;56;17

Diana

And that's a pretty solid system. I think it's.

00;33;56;17 - 00;34;07;18

Liz

A good system. And then out of those 30 years, you can fuck off and go get married if you wanted to. You can finally lose that big. The guard, knowing there's like this is the De.

00;34;07;18 - 00;34;13;19

Diana

But but like the what was the age span though at that time. I mean like it wasn't much over like 40, right? I mean.

00;34;13;21 - 00;34;18;00

Liz

Well, but they were the ones who did live longer because they were, they were.

00;34;18;03 - 00;34;20;01

Diana

Yeah. They, they had the good life though.

00;34;20;01 - 00;34;38;20

Liz

They had, they were living like these were living you right. They were living the good life. They're generally from the upper class, especially the vessel agents were really by the by the time they're, they're in like they are very entwined with the Imperial family. And so everybody is giving them shit like they have like all the good stuff.

00;34;38;22 - 00;34;58;07

Liz

But and some priestesses like ended up saying like over 50 years and being but they didn't like really say when the new priestesses were chosen. Like if people like, oh dear, Agnes looks like she's getting longer than two, do we start a new thing now? I don't know, it's probably pretty cool. Oh, so, so good to be selected.

00;34;58;07 - 00;35;18;28

Liz

Like I said, it was an honor. They have rights that other women and Roman did not have, which was just any. So a vessel could handle her own money. She can buy and sell property, she could free slaves, she can accept inheritances. She can like basically be a notary. She can, you know, was in charge of like, holding people's wills.

00;35;19;04 - 00;35;40;25

Liz

She could testify in court. She could have a voice in the Senate. No other lady in Rome can do this like you rich ladies can even leave their houses without somebody with them. Like women in Rome couldn't do jack shit. And the Vestal virgins were pretty well off financially. We know that. They got gifts to the royal family and other benefactors.

00;35;40;28 - 00;35;59;05

Liz

They found inscribed pedestals at the temples with inscriptions thanking individual vessels for their support, which I think is neat. It's even like you go to like the botanical gardens and they'll be like a bench for like Peter, you know. So there's like that was happening even back then. I think sometimes like some things just don't change. Right. Yeah.

00;35;59;07 - 00;36;16;13

Liz

And so they also had a lot of rental property. There were like shops in front of where they lived that they could rent out the lease and they can actually own property. So things they had money and but there also isn't a lot of details about how they spent it because they were women and people didn't care about that.

00;36;16;13 - 00;36;43;23

Liz

So what do we hear about them again is kind of when they're bad or when other things happen. So bear that in mind. We don't know, like what they're doing. But we do know because they could have like they have the ability to write wills and to leave money to people, including women, that there were Vestal virgins dynasties, just, you know, aunts passing this on to like, nieces and stuff, which is, is Elizabeth cool?

00;36;43;23 - 00;37;06;18

Liz

Right? It's kind of like this is like how these women are, like, fighting to have power in this way, ways that, you know, that you can't really do it. So to be a candidate, though, I mean, again, these are little girls in between 6 to 10. Their body had to be physically perfect in every respect. Both of the parents needed to be living, although there is some cases where I don't think I didn't see those.

00;37;06;24 - 00;37;09;19

Liz

these rules shifted over like: 1000

00;37;09;24 - 00;37;11;26

Diana

Yeah. She's I by political. Yeah.

00;37;11;28 - 00;37;36;19

Liz

So both parents had to be living and neither could have been divorced. Have been a slave or be engaged in negotiations or data which is, you know, sordid negotiations. So like, you're going to be like a gambler and like, the slave thing is interesting to you just because in Rome you could like, if you got into debt and you couldn't pay it off, you could become a slave, right?

00;37;36;19 - 00;37;55;19

Liz

So you could be moving to that class system. So but once you did that, you're out of line for this position. You can have a speech impediment. Your father must have a residence in Italy. And if your sister was chosen, you could be exempt. So some of this does become kind of Hunger Games type situations, you know?

00;37;55;19 - 00;38;16;01

Liz

Yeah. So there are times where, like, I'm like, oh, you have like three babies. Like you don't need to give us a virgin like you. You fed up enough kids around. But at the end, they had to be absolutely chase. And they do have to take that vow of chastity ever to be a virgin for as long as they are priestess.

00;38;16;01 - 00;38;37;11

Liz

Because, again, they're representing Rome being pure and, penetrated. Right. So they have they have to do that. But it's also besides, just like being like virginal, chaste is also just that idea of being morally pure, right? I guess, you know, so and, you know, and we'll talk about what was.

00;38;37;16 - 00;38;39;16

Diana

So strong and so pure.

00;38;39;19 - 00;39;02;13

Liz

Stay strong, stay pure. I think that was it was. Yeah. So I when she got, when she got selected, the Pontifex Maximus would point at her. Oh. And she's sitting on her dad's lap because that's not creepy at all. And so she's sitting in her dad's lab, and then Pontificates Pontifex Maximus points at her, and then he takes her away by the hand, and it's imitating her being captured in battle.

00;39;02;13 - 00;39;25;25

Liz

It's called the capture. And in a wedding ceremony, she would have sat on her mother's lap. So in this one, she sits in her father's. And so within, like if you lived in Rome and you were a woman, you were always owned by a man. So every family, every clan had this pattern of familiars, or so he was like the head, the head patriarch, dude.

00;39;25;27 - 00;39;46;12

Liz

And if it was like your dad and you were a daughter, you know? So that was like, while you're growing up, he's the one who had control over you. And then as you got married, then that control would shift to your husband and you wouldn't have a time machine. But with the virgins, what ends up happening with them is they end up basically kind of shifting to a state.

00;39;46;14 - 00;40;11;26

Liz

And but there no man ever takes them over just Rome. So but, you know, again, it was very important that they say Chase and if they lost that then they were accused of something called incest. And that was treasonous against Rome and basically sounds like incest. And there are things like that is where that word comes from is basically you're fucking, you know, your family because you're you're bro.

00;40;11;28 - 00;40;30;03

Liz

So anyway, you fuck fuckers, you know, and so but her version, losing her virginity could be the downfall of the entire nation. And you know, it's hard, right? If you're just like, you know, you know, sexy whore kind of. She fall falling. So how are we allowed to touch that hot stove? Right.

00;40;30;05 - 00;40;32;08

Diana

And so did the do not touch button.

00;40;32;12 - 00;40;51;20

Liz

The do not, do not touch this red button. Right. And at first, like other punishments, can and be like a stoning. But then Tarquin elder the he was this can use like well not if we're going to do the stoning we're going to be eating and then we're going to bury them alive. Oh, no. Oh so and I'll get into more details about that in more lore.

00;40;51;22 - 00;41;14;29

Liz

So she would be accused of incest and told to stop doing her rights, making financial moves like selling slaves. Amazingly. Like going like you're going on trial. We are representing you to the state, kind of, you know. Right. So she would have a trial be judged by the pontiff, fixes the priests and tribunal, and if she was found guilty, then she would be buried alive.

00;41;15;01 - 00;41;44;28

Liz

There were many instances. We'll talk about the other thing, about if she was buried alive, like a real woman who were found innocent and then had to get retried to be found guilty, just submit the public happy. And so but beyond that, as times went on, the vessels just became more and more enshrined for the royal houses, more enshrined with politics, and just became like these, like it was a way to like women, to really have the say it was in Rome, which I think is great.

00;41;45;00 - 00;42;15;00

Liz

So but by the third century A.D., it was suggested that, some of the vessels halls were being used to worship the divine emperors. And so they're kind of getting more than they were, are always the state. Right? Religion was always the state. But now they're like super, super like, but what are the rights that they have, I think is really interesting is they have the ability to be an intermediate in between the state and the people, which is a right that not anybody has.

00;42;15;00 - 00;42;43;21

Liz

So, you know, talk more about that in a minute. But so these ladies, Lisa, they had this really interesting role within politics. However, as Christianity became more popular within the Roman Empire, the vessels became less so. And in 375 A.D., the Emperor Grassi and Gratian and whatever your name was, he they took away the vessels, privileges and their property, and soon thereafter the vessels were.

00;42;43;22 - 00;42;46;18

Diana

Destroyed, reared.

00;42;46;21 - 00;43;03;14

Liz

So that is the vessels. And again, if you want to hear more of that, the more allure how to, after you get done listening to this episode, don't stop it now or you just have an hour and they come back. I don't know how you do that, but more of it will be.

00;43;03;16 - 00;43;15;08

Diana

All right, so we are back in, we just finished Jodi and Sam are we have been researching. So now we go back to the bunker where Susie.

00;43;15;11 - 00;43;22;22

Liz

So I had to stop calling it the bunker because then it sounds like they were in the bunker. So then I just started calling it The Underground.

00;43;22;24 - 00;43;37;13

Diana

There you go, the underground. And Susie is like, what if God wants us down here because of what we did? And Dan's like, oh my, Dan's like, yeah, this is not God's work. But I'm going to find our way out of here.

00;43;37;13 - 00;43;39;25

Liz

I knew God, and this is that is right.

00;43;39;28 - 00;43;50;07

Diana

Right. But luckily he has a second phone hidden, and he just has to find a signal, which is where D and Neil is getting real creepy at this point.

00;43;50;07 - 00;43;53;04

Liz

What the. What is up Neil's ass?

00;43;53;06 - 00;43;55;27

Diana

We'll find out in a minute because he is a psychopath.

00;43;56;00 - 00;44;14;05

Liz

It's basically that I guess you judge some people's character about how they react to the crisis situation or something. Yeah. All right, so we get back to Jodi and Sam, and Jodi says the best that I could control the blue light and use it to make me kill. And that's a I told you she was boring.

00;44;14;07 - 00;44;14;26

Diana

Or just wouldn't.

00;44;14;28 - 00;44;16;00

Liz

Do that.

00;44;16;02 - 00;44;32;11

Diana

Disorient anyways. And Sam's like, that's great, how do you kill her? But then he hears a call from Dean. Dean actually finds a signal. It's enough of a signal to call, but the connection is so fucking bad. But what Sam does hear is a train whistle, and he can use that to research where they might.

00;44;32;13 - 00;44;37;01

Liz

So they're like, oh, like there. So there's only one train in this town.

00;44;37;03 - 00;44;44;25

Diana

This small town. They said, who knows? So Dean's still trying to get his phone to work again, and Barb starts begging. Neil, don't.

00;44;44;25 - 00;44;46;00

Liz

Get.

00;44;46;02 - 00;45;12;14

Diana

And Dean's like, alarm bells go off. He's like, do what? And finally Neil, like, spits out that whatever this monster or whatever it is, it's after them, keeps taking the weakest when it's done it. Once there's no fucking basis for this. There's no baseline. One example is not a trend, dumbass. But anyways, so he wants to serve on her up because Honor's been kind of limping because her leg got kind of injured.

00;45;12;14 - 00;45;26;04

Diana

And all of this dropped down into this pit, and he wants to serve her up to buy time for everybody else and then shuts that shit down. Good. Dean.

00;45;26;06 - 00;45;41;01

Liz

Yeah. And then we go to Sam doing a literal fucking word problem involving a train station and a train leaving at miles per hour, and then having to figure out I was like, oh, this is why you got that score in your S.A.T., isn't it?

00;45;41;03 - 00;45;46;29

Diana

It is. And but Jody's like, oh, it's the old farm five miles east of town. Let's go.

00;45;47;01 - 00;45;50;06

Liz

Oh, and you can use oak stained in virgins one.

00;45;50;08 - 00;45;52;04

Diana

Yes, because she found this already, by the way.

00;45;52;05 - 00;45;54;01

Liz

Like, well, they're leaving and she's putting it under coach.

00;45;54;03 - 00;46;14;19

Diana

Oh it's it's right there, there it is. Let's go. And Sam's like, wait, I'm a virgin. She's like, no, I think we actually need the real thing. So they're going to go talk to Tammy. And Tammy is working at the food bank and she is very distressed by the request for her blood, which is reasonable for her to be distressed by this.

00;46;14;20 - 00;46;22;18

Diana

I think that most people would be distressed if two people ran up to you and asked for a sample of your blood, and they were not wearing doctor's attire.

00;46;22;21 - 00;46;24;06

Liz

Very much so.

00;46;24;08 - 00;46;47;24

Diana

Just saying so. But finally, two things. They're pagans or devil worshipers. They call the cops. And so Jody punches her nose that says, I am the cops and, uses her pocket Kleenex because Jody is that type of woman that has a pocket Kleenex to wipe Jody's nose or Tammy's nose. Excuse me.

00;46;47;27 - 00;46;52;19

Liz

Yeah. So they do that, and then you go. Then we go to the farm that is totally dark now.

00;46;52;21 - 00;47;22;11

Diana

Bright. And they're going to search this barn because of course they are. And they're all talking about they're down, down in the hole in the pit, whatever. They're talking about breaking their celibacy and how that's how they all ended up here. In the meantime. I'm sorry. Honor goes ahead and tells Susie that God forgives, and they hear Sam up above the opening into the the underground.

00;47;22;18 - 00;47;34;06

Liz

Because he's a giant fucking moose. I mean, like some thumping sound. They're just like, what the fuck is that? Like a herd of elephants there. Sam Winchester above you.

00;47;34;09 - 00;47;57;05

Diana

Except, well, I mean moose. Miss moose makes a loud noise. Moose. Travis and, Neil freaks out like a little bitch. And then Sam is like, hey, Jody, you've got to come help me. We got to open this fucking metal door to this pit. And as she's trying to run over or something, throws Sam across the room and knocks him out, and it is Bonnie.

00;47;57;05 - 00;48;15;22

Diana

Only it's not Bonnie. Bonnie is Vesta. That's what we learn. Which is actually a very clever cover. Right. So if she needs worshipers and needs like virgins, why wouldn't she go, like, run the chastity group at a at a, Protestant church with a strong born again following?

00;48;15;24 - 00;48;24;07

Liz

Or does anywhere where people are like, oh yeah, we need to have purified like virgins and makes sense. But then she's going to give Jody the finger.

00;48;24;09 - 00;48;32;27

Diana

Yeah. So she's going to shoot because Jody shows up to try to save Sam, who's unconscious, and she's got glowy finger that she to.

00;48;32;29 - 00;48;33;26

Liz

Situation is.

00;48;34;00 - 00;48;38;11

Diana

Very ate, very ate. And Jody is just shit talking or.

00;48;38;13 - 00;48;47;17

Liz

Is there shivering being in the Senate? God is. And it's just like you're boring. I heard this girl Liz is like, go off about you. I'm just like, you're so dull.

00;48;47;20 - 00;48;58;16

Diana

And why don't you fuck? So she's like, like, I think it's. Jody was like, yeah. So they let the fire go out and forgot about you. Sucks to be Lindsay Lohan, doesn't it?

00;48;58;18 - 00;49;03;27

Liz

Yeah. There's a reason. Is there, saying that Lindsay Lohan or Lindsay but is.

00;49;03;27 - 00;49;06;15

Diana

Doing excellent these days. For the record.

00;49;06;17 - 00;49;10;15

Liz

You all says that are Satan. Jesus calling him the hippie in Bethlehem. So that was.

00;49;10;15 - 00;49;12;08

Diana

Absolutely the hippie from Bethlehem.

00;49;12;08 - 00;49;15;14

Liz

Yeah, yeah. And says that they used to throw virgins at her.

00;49;15;16 - 00;49;39;21

Diana

They did. So they're, Now Bonnie West, uncovers this table that she has. That is very fucking creepy. Why is this the creepiest of creepy murder tables I think I've ever seen? Because it's got, like, some weird sink bowl of blood thing at the crotch.

00;49;39;24 - 00;49;48;00

Liz

It's like, for, I don't know, it's like. It's like a psycho. Like a psychiatric one. That. I didn't explain this. It's a murder table.

00;49;48;03 - 00;49;51;12

Diana

I don't like it. I don't like it.

00;49;51;14 - 00;49;59;01

Liz

like our Pottery Barn is like: 2024

00;49;59;01 - 00;50;00;04

Diana

Is. Yeah.

00;50;00;07 - 00;50;02;16

Liz

So I got it into Jody's.

00;50;02;16 - 00;50;26;29

Diana

Getting strapped to the table. Dean's still trying to break out. Sam's fucking unconscious anyways. It's it's a mess. And so we've got this weird blood sink at the crotch that I'm very concerned about, and, investor's talking shit about her born again virgins basically just eat their liver because it's that's soaked in fear. It's the only part of the body that's designed to purify it.

00;50;26;29 - 00;50;28;03

Diana

And but.

00;50;28;03 - 00;50;39;26

Liz

I mean, like, you don't want my I mean, like, I certainly don't want the Winchesters livers, you know, that's for damn sure, but. Yeah, but then as, like, they fry and then, you know.

00;50;39;28 - 00;50;50;21

Diana

That just tries to stab her. Yeah, Jody tries to stab her, but. But Vesta's real strong and grabs the oak stake and stabs freaking Jody in the chest.

00;50;50;27 - 00;50;54;01

Liz

Well, she says this is how a goddess acts.

00;50;54;03 - 00;51;02;01

Diana

And that's what she does. And. But Sam's awake now, so they're going to fight, and, yeah. And it's.

00;51;02;04 - 00;51;07;28

Liz

Yeah. So, Jody. So it's, the dean's trying to get out, and Sam's getting the finger.

00;51;08;01 - 00;51;14;23

Diana

It's so ridiculous. And in the midst of this, Jody is able to pull this fucking stake out of her chest because Jody is a bad bitch.

00;51;14;26 - 00;51;15;21

Liz

She is.

00;51;15;24 - 00;51;44;10

Diana

And she's like, And but while this is happening, Vesta is trying to, like, reach inside Sam, and she's like, oh, you're all duct tape and safety pins inside. How are you alive? And she's just freaked the fuck out by whatever is inside of the Sam. And right before he can ask any other questions, Jody is able to get up and stab her in the back and we get a blue flame out and she dead.

00;51;44;12 - 00;51;50;01

Diana

Yeah, right. As Dean is able to open the, the pit.

00;51;50;03 - 00;51;55;28

Liz

That so he is out together. And how Jodi's arm is in a sling.

00;51;56;00 - 00;52;11;20

Diana

Well, I mean, I guess that makes sense because it was like in her chest on the on the right side of her chest, so, like, not her heart side. So, I mean, I guess your arm would be in a sling. So you don't like, move it around a lot. Right now. Y'all can't see. I just like, did a terrible like I'm a little teapot back and forth like rocking thing.

00;52;11;20 - 00;52;12;23

Diana

I don't know, they could see.

00;52;12;26 - 00;52;22;11

Liz

It if I was looking at. If they're talking they're watching they're watching YouTube. So yeah. But then they just cut into her goodbye and they shake off. No big deal.

00;52;22;13 - 00;52;41;24

Diana

Yeah, yeah that's it by Jodi. But now Sam is going to hit deep and like to Dean. He's like, what if something's wrong with me after what she said I don't know. Something's not right. And Dean's like oh no. You see more of you do the trial as well. Can be anything else. And Sam's like, you're right.

00;52;41;25 - 00;53;02;00

Diana

Maybe it's just me. It's just. I'm just a mess, and I'll never be all right. Means like, fuck, man. I got to tell him. I have to fucking tell him. Oh, tell him. And then we get blue eyes and hit Sam's kill. And he's like, you can't fucking tell him he's not ready. He will freak out and kick me out.

00;53;02;00 - 00;53;13;21

Diana

And then. Then we will both die. So go back to it goes back to being just Sam and Dean's like, yeah, no, never mind.

00;53;13;22 - 00;53;17;17

Liz

Just backtrack. So like, I look over there, you're fine.

00;53;17;17 - 00;53;19;24

Diana

We'll deal with it. You're fine. She's got to face it.

00;53;19;25 - 00;53;29;24

Liz

It's not your fault. But, I mean, Sam's going to keep throwing yourself a pity party, but they're also just very inconsistent about how shitty Sam feels.

00;53;29;27 - 00;53;41;17

Diana

Yeah, it's not fair. And I'm not kind of like, man, this whole thing is kind of shit for him, right?

00;53;41;19 - 00;53;51;16

Liz

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's none of this is happening. Is good for Mr. Sam Winchester. No. So I think we'll get back to our final thoughts on that, but I would like to hear about.

00;53;51;18 - 00;53;52;01

Diana

Our cat.

00;53;52;01 - 00;53;59;07

Liz

Stacy and Bonnie and all of them. So tell me about the Raleigh people.

00;53;59;10 - 00;54;15;02

Speaker 3

And cow is the casting couch what they are on that show? That time with that guy? Yeah. La la la la la la la la la la la.

00;54;15;02 - 00;54;40;06

Diana

in episodes of Twilight Zone: 4400

00;54;40;12 - 00;54;53;10

Diana

Sorry. Nicole and Dawn of the dead. Night, bitch in Kick-Ass two and Cassandra in a series called The Librarians. Plus a lot of hallmark movies.

00;54;53;11 - 00;55;03;17

Liz

The librarians is part of the Electric series, and we talked about that. So we're in the Electric Hunt series. That's the reason I'm watching leverage. Yes. So librarians, as part of that.

00;55;03;19 - 00;55;04;05

Diana

Okay.

00;55;04;12 - 00;55;05;09

Liz

Full circle.

00;55;05;12 - 00;55;32;23

Diana

There you go. You want, Susie, Susie Lee is the character's name was played by Susie. Abra might real slow. And I think she looks like Busy Philipps. That's my quick comment real fast. But anyways, she's been in episodes of Burn Notice One Tree Hill a couple times, As the World Turns multiple times, CSI Miami, CSI, rake, and Chicago Med.

00;55;32;25 - 00;55;57;22

Diana

Handful of times. She was, Amanda in battle for Los Angeles. Pam on the TV show Jessica Jones. About eight times. And then was Mother Hardin in the Forever Purge, part of the purge movie series. Plus has also done a lot of hallmark and TV movies as well. Honor was played by, Tara Scobey.

00;55;57;24 - 00;56;09;25

Diana

Scobey. She's done a couple episodes of supernatural is a different character. But she's been in episodes of Arrow and Minority Report. She was Drusilla in A Christmas Story two, the 20.

00;56;09;25 - 00;56;10;27

Liz

12 Not That.

00;56;10;29 - 00;56;40;02

Diana

I. No, she was a Nicky in the summer of 84. Robin Camargo in Once Upon a Time effort. That was about ten times she appeared in that show. Mikayla in Bring It On, Cheer or Die, which was a continuance of the Bring It On, movie series. And most importantly for me was Polly Cooper in Riverdale, several dozen times as a reoccurring character, major character.

00;56;40;03 - 00;57;09;15

Diana

Yeah. Tammy was played by Amanda Lessman. She was in episodes of Arrow suits and I zombie Neil, was played by James Kirk in episodes of Smallville. Did like me. He was, in Final Destination two. He was, in X2 as Ronnie. He was, Sebastian and she's the man Peter and Doctor Doolittle three and does, interesting.

00;57;09;15 - 00;57;36;03

Diana

That has recently done a lot of voice work specifically for the my little Pony cartoons as microchips. So he and, done a lot, of lot a lot of hallmark movies recently as well. Barbara, our, our our bride to be was played by Hannah Peterson. She's been in, a lot of, shorts that were like that have been submitted for, you know, festivals and things.

00;57;36;05 - 00;57;43;25

Diana

But, she's also and a lot of hallmark but is also was on the TV show The Good Doctor a couple of times.

00;57;43;27 - 00;57;46;24

Liz

Okay. So yeah.

00;57;46;26 - 00;57;47;12

Diana

There we go.

00;57;47;16 - 00;57;52;03

Liz

All right. So what did you think about this episode?

00;57;52;05 - 00;58;22;21

Diana

I, I like Jodie b, I appreciated that they finally kind of sort of re addressed the Sam situation a little more clearly because they did address it. You know, they did because he kind of know something's up now. And Dean is was actually about to fucking let up and be honest. And then was given a reason not to.

00;58;22;24 - 00;58;38;12

Diana

That's that's the point I would make on it. So that was good. I think that it was, you know, it was, it was a, it was a fun storyline. I mean, I like the silliness of, you know, the tongue in cheek. Not that being a virgin is silly, but this was silly.

00;58;38;15 - 00;58;42;25

Liz

It was silly. I think they could have taken the virginity stuff further.

00;58;42;27 - 00;58;49;28

Diana

Yeah. And, you know, like, we all, I think I like, I think played into Dean's obvious obsession with porn was played into which is fun.

00;58;50;05 - 00;59;01;24

Liz

I if you're going to do something you know, they did take it to one director. Just like if you're going to do something that's absurd, then you might as well, like go jump all the way in. You know? Yeah.

00;59;01;27 - 00;59;04;26

Diana

I said, well, how about you?

00;59;04;28 - 00;59;27;11

Liz

I just, you know, I just just cannot Sam Sam's pity parties, but. Yeah, I mean, I, I like Bonnie, I like, I think all the it was a very strong female cast. Yeah. So I think they all did a really great job of it and. Yeah. And again, it was cute. It was it earth shattering I don't like really.

00;59;27;13 - 00;59;53;20

Liz

They could have made it more of a reality play than they did. You can definitely see how old times are evolving. Like if this episode had made by a different TV show ten years earlier. Like, I just feel like it would have been a different for virginity thing, right? Like, I just think it was a forward thinking play on what being pure could be, right?

00;59;53;20 - 01;00;04;08

Liz

Like they didn't go out religious about it. They didn't go, you know, I don't know. It's a very weird subject. If you do any kind of a funny episode on.

01;00;04;11 - 01;00;08;16

Diana

Yeah, but they were tying it back to the mythology, so I think that's why it made sense. But yeah.

01;00;08;20 - 01;00;20;04

Liz

No, there's just there's so much you can break into it. Right. So I know it's an interesting episode and yeah. Not a bummer.

01;00;20;07 - 01;00;22;24

Diana

Not a bummer. I'll take that.

01;00;22;27 - 01;00;25;24

Liz

All right. So I think on that note. Cheers, Dirk.

01;00;25;26 - 01;00;32;24

Diana

Here's bits. Devil is trapped hot as is and they don't get a connection to.

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